Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please, consider that more people want to mark even their future ODBl OSM contributions as CC-BY-SA compatible

2012-08-10 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
+1 It's the contributor terms that made me refuse to accept. Not ODBL. I can see the both the advantages and drawbacks of ODBL but these are not a major problem. For me the CT has been a problem. I principally refuse to sign a contract where I can be held legally responsible for data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please, consider that more people want to mark even their future ODBl OSM contributions as CC-BY-SA compatible

2012-08-10 Thread Mike Dupont
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:20 AM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: For me the CT has been a problem. I principally refuse to sign a contract where I can be held legally responsible for data I contribute for free; where the other party engages itself to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please, consider that more people want to mark even their future ODBl OSM contributions as CC-BY-SA compatible

2012-08-10 Thread Paul Norman
From: Mike Dupont [mailto:jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com] Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please, consider that more people want to mark even their future ODBl OSM contributions as CC-BY-SA compatible Also since we are on the topic, I think that many people who are in the USA cannot legally

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please, consider that more people want to mark even their future ODBl OSM contributions as CC-BY-SA compatible

2012-08-10 Thread Rob Myers
On 08/10/2012 07:25 AM, Mike Dupont wrote: Also since we are on the topic, I think that many people who are in the USA cannot legally sign the CT anyway because the would have to ask the employeer for permission. If you have signed a NDA you might be affected, some companies claim all employees

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please, consider that more people want to mark even their future ODBl OSM contributions as CC-BY-SA compatible

2012-08-10 Thread Mike Dupont
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: If someone is unable to sign the CTs because they don't hold copyright over their contributions then they'd be unable to legally contribute to OSM or any open mapping project regardless of the CTs. If someone is not working

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please, consider that more people want to mark even their future ODBl OSM contributions as CC-BY-SA compatible

2012-08-10 Thread Apollinaris Schöll
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: If someone is unable to sign the CTs because they don't hold copyright over their contributions then they'd be unable to legally

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please, consider that more people want to mark even their future ODBl OSM contributions as CC-BY-SA compatible

2012-08-10 Thread Mike Dupont
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Apollinaris Schöll ascho...@gmail.com wrote: They can claim what they want. Even if you sign such a contract it is not valid. It's called employer and not slave driver. No court will enforce such a contract. Mr Schöll, I have hear otherwise, first of all if you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please, consider that more people want to mark even their future ODBl OSM contributions as CC-BY-SA compatible

2012-07-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 01:23:00 +0200 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Not dropping CC-BY-SA would send the signal that ... everything that has been said about CC-BY-SA not sufficiently protecting our data was rubbish, and that we are happy with every user choosing whichever is the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please, consider that more people want to mark even their future ODBl OSM contributions as CC-BY-SA compatible

2012-07-28 Thread Mike Dupont
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: all the problems we had with the license change Lets be clear here, I think the problems is not because of the license change, but the contributor terms , ( the click through license and the mass collection of all IP

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please, consider that more people want to mark even their future ODBl OSM contributions as CC-BY-SA compatible

2012-07-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 12:44:41 + Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Lets be clear here, I think the problems is not because of the license change, but the contributor terms , ( the click through license and the mass collection of all IP rights by the OSF). There is no

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please, consider that more people want to mark even their future ODBl OSM contributions as CC-BY-SA compatible

2012-07-27 Thread Jaime Crespo
On Jul 27, 2012 7:03 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 July 2012 00:14, Pavel Pisa ppisa4li...@pikron.com wrote: Dear OSMF responsible, even recent discussions about ODBl compatibility with Wikipedia problems shows that there can be problems or complications with

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please, consider that more people want to mark even their future ODBl OSM contributions as CC-BY-SA compatible

2012-07-27 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 27.07.2012 23:52, Frederik Ramm wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 22:33:59 +0200 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: That's not the point, you still can't mix the future OSM data with CC-By-SA data in the same database and publish that. This ability to mix is one of the main features of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please, consider that more people want to mark even their future ODBl OSM contributions as CC-BY-SA compatible

2012-07-27 Thread Mike Dupont
is this possible? that would be great for continuing with cc-by-sa. mike On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:47 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote: I was personally thinking of just publishing the full planet the same way it is published today -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free