[OSM-legal-talk] apple petition

2012-10-22 Thread Mike Dupont
Hi all, We need only 6 more signatures for the apple petition : http://www.change.org/petitions/apple-inc-uphold-the-terms-of-cc-by-sa-2-0-license please sign and share! If you ask yourself what use it is, the point is that we can try and put public pressure onto apple. mike -- James Michael

[OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-22 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
I have a question concerning the ability of someone creating produced works from an ODbL-licensed database to license that produced work for use by others. Strictly speaking it's a question about the ODbL, rather that OSM, but since it will have a significant effect on OSM users, I thought I would

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-22 Thread Igor Brejc
Hi, My understanding (emphases are mine): “*Contents*” – The contents of this Database, which includes the information, independent works, or other material collected into the Database. For example, the contents of the Database could be factual data or works such as *images*, audiovisual

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Igor Brejc wrote: 4.3 Notice for using output (Contents). Creating and Using a Produced Work does not require the notice in Section 4.2. However, if you Publicly Use a Produced Work, You must include a notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-22 Thread Igor Brejc
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Produced Works do not have to be licensed under a share-alike licence. Attribution is required, as per the above clause. My view is that this implies a downstream attribution requirement too (reasonably calculated

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/10/22 Igor Brejc igor.br...@gmail.com: Would there be a difference if it was PNG/SVG instead of PDF? there are 2 ways to put graphics into a PDF: those with vectors embedded and those with a raster inside. The first is to treat like a SVG and the second like a PNG (always asuming you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-22 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 22 October 2012 10:44, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Produced Works do not have to be licensed under a share-alike licence. Attribution is required, as per the above clause. My view is that this implies a downstream attribution requirement too (reasonably calculated to make

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/22/12 12:07, Igor Brejc wrote: 2. I generate a PDF map from that extract using an unpublished, closed-source software. The map includes the appropriate OSM attribution text. 1. Is this possible? Yes (assuming that the PDF is not a database). 2. What are my

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-22 Thread Igor Brejc
Hi, Thanks for your clarifications, everybody. I was under the (looks like wrong) impression the produced work must also be available under the ODbL license. One issue still bugs me though: If the closed software you have used did not work on the data directly, but on some sort of pre-processed

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-22 Thread Jonathan Harley
On 22/10/12 16:35, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/10/22 Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net: You have an obligation to make your derivative database available, if you made one. or describe the details and release the code, how you did it, in this case you don't have to release the data.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 22.10.2012 18:45, Igor Brejc wrote: What does pre-processed or augmented data really mean? OSM data has to be preprocessed to get to the form suitable for rendering. Some examples of preprocessing: 1. Importing it into PostGIS and flattening the geometries (like Mapnik does it).

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-22 Thread Paul Norman
From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:53 AM To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL Another interesting question is how easy the algorithm you specify must be. It is clear that the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-22 Thread Igor Brejc
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: 2. Generalizations: simplifications of roads, polygons etc. for a certain map scale. Same process - either you share the generalized data or you share the algorithm that produces it. If, for example, you were

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-22 Thread Paul Norman
From: Alex Barth [mailto:a...@mapbox.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:25 PM To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Cc: talk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US Fair point. Still - I would ask what is the purpose of this protection and