Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

On Friday 22 July 2016, Ilya Zverev wrote: > > Wait that doesn't seem right. You cannot violate guidelines because > they are examples and explanations, not restrictions or a law. And > then, when the guidelines say a dataset "may be" considered > derivative, it doesn't say it is derivative (or

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

Sorry I'm not commenting everything, but just the parts I find important. (See below) > 22 июля 2016 г., в 1:35, Christoph Hormann написал(а): > > But neither does it become collective. And if you re-read my last > mail - i clearly made the argument based on the license

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

Johan C wrote: > It's quite simple: as long as MAPS.ME operates in either the white or > the grey area of the license it's perfectly fine what they are doing. Um, no, that's precisely what "grey area" _doesn't_ mean. Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

It's quite simple: as long as MAPS.ME operates in either the white or the grey area of the license it's perfectly fine what they are doing. Op 22 jul. 2016 12:04 p.m. schreef "Richard Fairhurst" : > Ilya Zverev wrote: > > Let's consider another use case. An application

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

Ilya Zverev wrote: > Let's consider another use case. An application that shows OSM map, > and on top of it shows 1 mln of user points. A users has an option to > hide the OSM map underneath proprietary points, with a radius of 1 > km. Does in that moment when a user clickes the options, the >

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

On Friday 22 July 2016, Ilya Zverev wrote: > You are starting to derive the licensing terms from intentions, and > not the actual process or usage. Which basically says, if the > community accepts this way of judging: however you use our data, if > we don't like what you do with it, you would have

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

On 7/22/2016 12:28 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: Consider a simpler experiment. I remove nodes based on an obscure algorithm. I then publish the rest of the database and a list of removed nodes under an open license. Do I have to open the algorithm? The database would be a derivative database and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

You are starting to derive the licensing terms from intentions, and not the actual process or usage. Which basically says, if the community accepts this way of judging: however you use our data, if we don't like what you do with it, you would have to stop. And that is definitely not a FOSS

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

On Sunday 10 July 2016, Ilya Zverev wrote: > > Let's consider another use case. An application that shows OSM map, > and on top of it shows 1 mln of user points. A users has an option to > hide the OSM map underneath proprietary points, with a radius of 1 > km. Does in that moment when a user

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

Christoph Hormann wrote: From my perspective it is as Simon put it: In summary both guidelines in this use scenario boil down to prohibiting de-duplication (of any kind). Now you can of course disagree with that assessment but so far you have not brought up any convincing argument for that.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

On Saturday 09 July 2016, Ilya Zverev wrote: > > Christoph, please read my last post again: we use all of the > booking.com data, not just hotels that are missing. We are not > altering the proprietary data in any way. Just removing some data > from OSM, and that portion of the data is published,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

Christoph Hormann wrote: I would also suggest to keep in mind that in principle this is exactly the kind of case share-alike was created for - the OSM database is missing some hotels and some other database contains them and the intention is that you need to make available that other data or the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

On Saturday 09 July 2016, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > I think this is a fairly clear case for the Horizontal Layers > guideline To avoid ambiguity: I of course meant a case where the guideline says share-alike applies. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

On Friday 08 July 2016, Ilya Zverev wrote: > > If the LWG decides we are violating the license (and explains how, > maybe producing another guidelines), we will remove all OSM hotels > from our data. But for now I don't see how it's different from > removing just some of the hotels. I think this

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

On 8 July 2016 at 23:47, Simon Poole wrote: > Both the Horizontal Layer and the Collective Database guidelines address > a specific de-duplication issue (in respect to the above use case): if > you take your proprietary dataset and remove all POIs from the OSM > dataset that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

Thanks for raising the issue. We at maps.me tried to follow the license: basically we are combining the OSM data without certain nodes (see the list of ids at http://direct.mapswithme.com/direct/latest/skipped_nodes.lst ) and a proprietary data set for hotels. Since we do not use any OSM

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

Am 08.07.2016 um 14:52 schrieb Andrew Harvey: > According to [1] if someone combines non-horizontal layers together, > the results must be shared under the ODBL. No. First a general remark: A data consumer that is not complying with the ODbL always has two options to comply with the licence:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

But what if this is just a layer above the OSM data technically? Regards Peter On 08.07.2016 15:15, Janko Mihelić wrote: > Maps.me made an announcement in the last update that they are using > Booking.com data to show hotels and allow reserving hotel rooms from > within the app. I doubt

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

Maps.me made an announcement in the last update that they are using Booking.com data to show hotels and allow reserving hotel rooms from within the app. I doubt Booking.com released their data with a permissive license. Janko Mihelić pet, 8. srp 2016. u 14:54 Andrew Harvey

[OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

According to [1] if someone combines non-horizontal layers together, the results must be shared under the ODBL. From my investigation it appears that the MAPS.ME app [2] is combining OSM hotels with non-OSM hotels. https://tianjara.net/hosted/maps.me-1.png is a screenshot from the app. Hotel A