Re: [L-I] What to do if the KLA and NATO fight (Fwd from Louis Proyect)

2000-08-25 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
Date sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:10:16 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [L-I] What to do if the KLA and NATO fight Louis, I do not think one-liners like this advance the discussion at

RE: [L-I] (Fwd) [Fwd: Kursk hit by British submarine (part2)]

2000-08-25 Thread Mark Jones
I just had a look at this site: http://www.redstar.ru/kursk5.html This is the online version of Krasnaya Zvezda (Red Star), the armed forces newspaper published by the Russian Defence ministry. Today's issue (25/08) also discusses Kursk. The line seems to be that there was an *accidental*

Re: [L-I] (Fwd) [Fwd: Kursk sunk by British submarine]

2000-08-25 Thread Owen Jones
Reply to Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 24/8/2000 0:20: More on the Kursk. It looks like that the Russian establishment is seriously claiming that the sub was intentionally sunk by a NATO ship. Slimy road they are treading on... Comrade, I question very

Re: [L-I] What to do if the KLA and NATO fight (Fwd from Louis Proyect)

2000-08-25 Thread A.Wosni
Who has ever claimed that ideological exposure from the sidelines of the class struggle is enough? Of course the Bolsheviks did take an active and leading part in the day to day class struggle, but they were not economists, and they knew that consciousness was the key to a proletarian

Re: [L-I] What to do if the KLA and NATO fight (Fwd from Louis Proyect)

2000-08-25 Thread Louis Proyect
Who has ever claimed that ideological exposure from the sidelines of the class struggle is enough? Of course the Bolsheviks did take an active and leading part in the day to day class struggle, but they were not economists, and they knew that consciousness was the key to a proletarian

Re: [L-I] What to do if the KLA and NATO fight (Fwd from Louis Proyect)

2000-08-25 Thread Johannes Schneider
Louis Proyect: What you call consciousness I regard as socialist ideology. In point of fact, revolutions generally take place in advance of acceptance of socialist ideology by the great majority. Louis, I dont think that fact is contested at all. The common misconception of Marxists

[L-I] Fw: Int'l day of mobilization against Clinton's visit in Colombia

2000-08-25 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General
-Original Message- From: ILC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 25, 2000 6:19 PM Subject: Int'l day of mobilization against Clinton's visit in Colombia The 30th of August Bill Clinton, as one of the last acts during his presidential mandate,

[L-I] Orthodox scholar-nun beaten by KFOR troops in Mitrovica

2000-08-25 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General
=== The Committee for National Solidarity Tolstojeva 34, 11000 Belgrade, YU Danish soldiers beat prioress of Sokolica Monastery in Mitrovica www.tenc.net Note from Emperor's Clothes: NATO's 'explanation' was they thought the prioress was an Egyptian woman because

[L-I] Re: What to do if the KLA and NATO fight (Fwd from Louis Proyect)

2000-08-25 Thread Owen Jones
Reply to Louis Proyect, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 25/8/2000 16:19: Although the Cuban revolution is widely regarded as being vastly inferior to the Russian revolution in terms of the level of consciousness, it is doubtful that there is much difference between the two. Keep in

Re: [L-I] What to do if the KLA and NATO fight (Fwd from Louis Proyect)

2000-08-25 Thread Louis Proyect
I dont want to speculate much about the 'ifs' in history, but I doubt there would have been an October uprising without thr previous split of Bolsheviks and Mensheviks. By the same token I think its the tragedy of the German revolution that the forces around Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg

Re: [L-I] Re: What to do if the KLA and NATO fight (Fwd from Louis Proyect)

2000-08-25 Thread Louis Proyect
Owen Jones: I think that the proposition that the Cuban and Russian Revolutions have little differences is absurd. The Russian Revolution was led by the revolutionary proletariat, whilst in the Cuban Revolution, the peasantry were in the driving seat. That is hardly a subtle difference, and in

[L-I] Re:[Fwd: Kursk sunk by British submarine]

2000-08-25 Thread Tony Abdo
Owen wrote- The bourgeois press here said that Russia had thereby humiliated itself. But then the Russian bourgeoisie is not a nationalist bourgeoisie, but one dependant on imperialism, and thereby its role in Kosovo should not be taken as a "humiliation" - it did it voluntarily. This is why any

[L-I] Fw: Elections, S24, Kostuniza Part III

2000-08-25 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General
-Original Message- From: Blagovesta Doncheva Date: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 1:10 PM Subject: Elections, S24, Kostuniza Part III Part III And here is a story about the end results of neo-liberal price-salary-pension-graveyard politics... In Memoriam... SEGA, July 1, 2000; p. 15

[L-I] Fw: Elections, S24, Kostuniza Part I

2000-08-25 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General
-Original Message- From: Blagovesta Doncheva [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:54 PM Subject: Elections, S24, Kostuniza Part I KostunizaPart123800 Part 1 Kostunica: the New US Bait for the Serb People The international

Re: [L-I] (Fwd) [Fwd: Kursk sunk by British submarine]

2000-08-25 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relaciĆ³n a Re: [L-I] (Fwd) [Fwd: Kursk sunk by British subma, el 25 Aug 00, a las 14:44, Owen Jones dijo: Reply to Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 24/8/2000 0:20: More on the Kursk. It looks like that the Russian establishment is seriously claiming that

[L-I] DHKP-C CAPTIVES ARE ON HUNGER STRIKE TO SUPPORT FEHRIYE ERDAL

2000-08-25 Thread dhkc
FEHRIYE ERDAL MUST BE UNCONDITIONALLY SET FREE! Our comrade Fehriye Erdal is an anti-fascist, anti-imperialist revolutionary. She is struggling for the independence of our homeland and the liberation of our people. While honourably continuing the revolutionary struggle, on September 26,