Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Scott Robertson
I started reading 7.0, and I was doing OK until about Chapter 5.  Until I realized that some of my directories didn't seem right.  Somehow I ended up with just a sources directory on the LFS partition.  I'm not a hardened expert in Linux yet, but I do have some knowledge and I have alot of

Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Eleanore Boyd
On 5/4/2012 5:34 AM, Scott Robertson wrote: I started reading 7.0, and I was doing OK until about Chapter 5. Until I realized that some of my directories didn't seem right. Somehow I ended up with just a sources directory on the LFS partition. I'm not a hardened expert in Linux yet, but I

Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Simon Geard
On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 03:34 -0700, Scott Robertson wrote: Under section 2.3 the very first thing one does (other than version-check.sh in the Preface) is create the file system using the mke2fs command. Where does it say you need to be root for that? I'm just saying maybe not everyone

Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Fernando de Oliveira
On 04-05-2012 08:23, Eleanore Boyd wrote: On 5/4/2012 5:34 AM, Scott Robertson wrote: [...] Now, have you tried this solution: untar the package, go into the unpacked directory, then do copy+paste operations to make sure you don't inadvertently screw something up? Then all you have to do

Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Scott Robertson wrote: What part of: For each package: 1. Using the tar program, extract the package to be built. In Chapter 5, ensure you are the lfs user when extracting the package. 2. Change to the directory created when the package was extracted. 3. Follow the book's

Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Qrux
On May 4, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Scott Robertson wrote: What part of: ... do you not understand? Wow, again with the hostility. The reason it sounds hostile is because we spend a lot of time trying to explain and users regularly skip the explanations. Whether you

Re: [blfs-support] X unsolved and networking solved

2012-05-04 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 11:14:19AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: Actually, 10 bootable partitions on a dos disk is pushing it - I suppose one or more of /boot, /home, swap is in a primary partition. Why? As of Jan 20, 2010 Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes

Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Qrux wrote: LFS devs, writers, and editors, please try to understand that the LFS can read like a list of GPS coordinates given at 1mm spacings without altitude and annotations. If I follow it *exactly*, and assume no errors in the readings or the map, and I make the same set of assumptions

Re: [blfs-support] X unsolved and networking solved

2012-05-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 11:14:19AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: Actually, 10 bootable partitions on a dos disk is pushing it - I suppose one or more of /boot, /home, swap is in a primary partition. Why? As of Jan 20, 2010 Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB,

Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Qrux
On May 4, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Qrux wrote: LFS devs, writers, and editors, please try to understand that the LFS can read like a list of GPS coordinates given at 1mm spacings without altitude and annotations. If I follow it *exactly*, and assume no errors in the readings

Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Anand Arumugam
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Qrux qrux@gmail.com wrote: On May 4, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Scott Robertson wrote: What part of: ... do you not understand? Wow, again with the hostility. The reason it sounds hostile is because we spend a lot of time trying to

Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Qrux wrote: The users need to learn to think about what needs to be done, not just copy/paste without understanding. As a proxy example of ambiguity, do you not see the...confusion...some might experience when in your previous email, you said: If you follow the instructions literally,

Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Qrux
On May 4, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Qrux wrote: The users need to learn to think about what needs to be done, not just copy/paste without understanding. As a proxy example of ambiguity, do you not see the...confusion...some might experience when in your previous email, you

Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Eleanore Boyd
On 5/4/2012 4:45 PM, Qrux wrote: On May 4, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Qrux wrote: The users need to learn to think about what needs to be done, not just copy/paste without understanding. As a proxy example of ambiguity, do you not see the...confusion...some might experience when

Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Qrux wrote: One solution is to keep saying: Reread Section 5. 5.3? I'm exploring other solutions, because I think it's silly to insist that the book is well-written when, for every single release, many people are confused by how to begin Chapter 5. I didn't have an issue. But I can

Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Qrux
On May 4, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: But, why strew information all across the book? Chapter 5 is the backbone to the entire thing. But it starts with a somewhat irrelevant section (5.1), and an advanced section (5.2). Then, you want people to know that the Important part of

Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Qrux wrote: If LFS is just a source code project, then to some extent you can say that prose style or organization is irrelevant. It's not, because it's often repeated that it's a book, as well. So, style is important, because organization can aid understanding. The descriptions and the

Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Anand Arumugam
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Bruce Dubbs bruce.du...@gmail.com wrote: Qrux wrote: If LFS is just a source code project, then to some extent you can say that prose style or organization is irrelevant.  It's not, because it's often repeated that it's a book, as well.  So, style is important,

Re: [lfs-support] Chapter 5 questions

2012-05-04 Thread Gordon Findlay
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Anand Arumugam anand.aru...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Bruce Dubbs bruce.du...@gmail.com wrote: Qrux wrote: If LFS is just a source code project, then to some extent you can say that prose style or organization is irrelevant. It's