Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure fixed new problem show up

2009-12-08 Thread Mykal Funk
Ken Moffat wrote:
 2009/12/7 Mykal Funk mykalf...@gmail.com:
   
 Ken Moffat wrote:
 
 Do you have CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO=y ?  If so, try turning it off.
   
  whoops, if not try turning it on.
   
 I'm not sure where it appears in menuconfig, but the help says:

 config COMPAT_VDSO
 def_bool y
 prompt Compat VDSO support
 depends on X86_32 || IA32_EMULATION
 ---help---
   Map the 32-bit VDSO to the predictable old-style address too.
 ---help---
   Say N here if you are running a sufficiently recent glibc
   version (2.3.3 or later), to remove the high-mapped
   VDSO mapping and to exclusively use the randomized VDSO.

   If unsure, say Y.

 LFS-5.0 used gcc-2.3.2 so it will need this set to Y.

 ĸen

   
 No. I compiled the kernel without COMPAT_VDSO. Do you think it needs
 included? The host is running Glibc 2.3.3. I think system may be a LFS
 5.1. I didn't write a file anywhere to tell me, but I know it was build
 April 2004 with the then stable book.

 Thank,
 Mykal Funk
 --
 
  Yes, all the main hits on google for inconsistency detected by ld.so
 appear to suggest that will fix it.  Sorry for the thinko in my earlier
 reply.

  You can determine the version of glibc by running /lib/libc.so.6

 ĸen
   
Thanks a bunch, Ken. I got a kernerl working! Now to build the LFS 6.5 
and see how everything goes. If it all goes well, I can go back to 
lurking. :)
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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure fixed new problem show up

2009-12-08 Thread Mike McCarty
Mykal Funk wrote:
 Thanks a bunch, Ken. I got a kernerl working! Now to build the LFS 6.5 
 and see how everything goes. If it all goes well, I can go back to 
 lurking. :)

But first, be sure to keep us informed on how things all come out!

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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure fixed new problem show up

2009-12-07 Thread Mykal Funk
Ken Moffat wrote:
 2009/12/5 William Immendorf will.immend...@gmail.com:
   
 Try building the generic EIDE/PATA driver into the kernel.

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  Yeah, I think William has probably hit the nail on the head here
 - you mentioned this was very old hardware.
   
Thanks for the pointers. Once I got the configuration right it would go 
all the way to loading Init. However, it is now givining an error 
Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1180: dl_main: Assertion 
`(void *) ph-p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso’ failed! and the 
kernel panics. I'm considering recompiling Glibc but am unsure if that 
would fix the problem or cause more.

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure fixed new problem show up

2009-12-07 Thread Ken Moffat
2009/12/7 Mykal Funk mykalf...@gmail.com:
 Thanks for the pointers. Once I got the configuration right it would go
 all the way to loading Init. However, it is now givining an error
 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1180: dl_main: Assertion
 `(void *) ph-p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso’ failed! and the
 kernel panics. I'm considering recompiling Glibc but am unsure if that
 would fix the problem or cause more.

 Thanks in advance,
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Do you have CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO=y ?  If so, try turning it off.
I'm not sure where it appears in menuconfig, but the help says:

config COMPAT_VDSO
def_bool y
prompt Compat VDSO support
depends on X86_32 || IA32_EMULATION
---help---
  Map the 32-bit VDSO to the predictable old-style address too.
---help---
  Say N here if you are running a sufficiently recent glibc
  version (2.3.3 or later), to remove the high-mapped
  VDSO mapping and to exclusively use the randomized VDSO.

  If unsure, say Y.

LFS-5.0 used gcc-2.3.2 so it will need this set to Y.

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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure fixed new problem show up

2009-12-07 Thread Mykal Funk
Ken Moffat wrote:
 2009/12/7 Mykal Funk mykalf...@gmail.com:
   
 Thanks for the pointers. Once I got the configuration right it would go
 all the way to loading Init. However, it is now givining an error
 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1180: dl_main: Assertion
 `(void *) ph-p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso’ failed! and the
 kernel panics. I'm considering recompiling Glibc but am unsure if that
 would fix the problem or cause more.

 Thanks in advance,
 Mykal Funk
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 Do you have CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO=y ?  If so, try turning it off.
 I'm not sure where it appears in menuconfig, but the help says:

 config COMPAT_VDSO
 def_bool y
 prompt Compat VDSO support
 depends on X86_32 || IA32_EMULATION
 ---help---
   Map the 32-bit VDSO to the predictable old-style address too.
 ---help---
   Say N here if you are running a sufficiently recent glibc
   version (2.3.3 or later), to remove the high-mapped
   VDSO mapping and to exclusively use the randomized VDSO.

   If unsure, say Y.

 LFS-5.0 used gcc-2.3.2 so it will need this set to Y.

 ĸen
   
No. I compiled the kernel without COMPAT_VDSO. Do you think it needs 
included? The host is running Glibc 2.3.3. I think system may be a LFS 
5.1. I didn't write a file anywhere to tell me, but I know it was build 
April 2004 with the then stable book.

Thank,
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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure fixed new problem show up

2009-12-07 Thread Ken Moffat
2009/12/7 Mykal Funk mykalf...@gmail.com:
 Ken Moffat wrote:


 Do you have CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO=y ?  If so, try turning it off.
 whoops, if not try turning it on.
 I'm not sure where it appears in menuconfig, but the help says:

 config COMPAT_VDSO
         def_bool y
         prompt Compat VDSO support
         depends on X86_32 || IA32_EMULATION
         ---help---
           Map the 32-bit VDSO to the predictable old-style address too.
         ---help---
           Say N here if you are running a sufficiently recent glibc
           version (2.3.3 or later), to remove the high-mapped
           VDSO mapping and to exclusively use the randomized VDSO.

           If unsure, say Y.

 LFS-5.0 used gcc-2.3.2 so it will need this set to Y.

 ĸen

 No. I compiled the kernel without COMPAT_VDSO. Do you think it needs
 included? The host is running Glibc 2.3.3. I think system may be a LFS
 5.1. I didn't write a file anywhere to tell me, but I know it was build
 April 2004 with the then stable book.

 Thank,
 Mykal Funk
 --
 Yes, all the main hits on google for inconsistency detected by ld.so
appear to suggest that will fix it.  Sorry for the thinko in my earlier
reply.

 You can determine the version of glibc by running /lib/libc.so.6

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Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure fixed new problem show up

2009-12-05 Thread Mykal Funk
Ken Moffat wrote:
 The slightly longer-winded version is to build several versions of
 gcc and binutils, using each to build a newer version.  As always,
 the version of binutils needs to be suitable for the version of gcc
 but these things are never documented.  Looking back to my old
 notes, I guess the following versions might be worth exploring
 e.g. first one in /opt/tools1, second in /opt/tools2 - during
 toolchain builds set PATH to /opt/tools3:/opt/tools2:/opt/tools1:
 and then the normal PATH after that.

 binutils-2.14 and gcc-3.3.5 (based loosely on 5.1)

 binutils-2.16.1 and gcc-4.0.2

 binutils-2.17 and gcc-4.1.2 - I would very much hope that is recent
 enough to build a current system (and particularly a current kernel).
   
Thanks Ken that got the 2.6.30.9 kernel compiled. But I can't seem to 
boot it. It complains about not having an NFS mount then asks for a root 
floppy. If I hit a key, the kernel panics. I haven't figured out how to 
capture the output.

 I've googled around and am not finding anything. I've checked my Grub 
settings and they seem fine. I've double-checked the kernel config and 
it includes support for reiserfs, which is what the LFS 5 is on.

Any ideas on what to do next?

Thanks in Advance,
Mykal Funk

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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure fixed new problem show up

2009-12-05 Thread William Immendorf
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Mykal Funk mykalf...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Ken that got the 2.6.30.9 kernel compiled. But I can't seem to
 boot it. It complains about not having an NFS mount then asks for a root
 floppy. If I hit a key, the kernel panics. I haven't figured out how to
 capture the output.

  I've googled around and am not finding anything. I've checked my Grub
 settings and they seem fine. I've double-checked the kernel config and
 it includes support for reiserfs, which is what the LFS 5 is on.
Try building the generic EIDE/PATA driver into the kernel.

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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure fixed new problem show up

2009-12-05 Thread Ken Moffat
2009/12/5 William Immendorf will.immend...@gmail.com:
 On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Mykal Funk mykalf...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Ken that got the 2.6.30.9 kernel compiled. But I can't seem to
 boot it. It complains about not having an NFS mount then asks for a root
 floppy. If I hit a key, the kernel panics. I haven't figured out how to
 capture the output.

  I've googled around and am not finding anything. I've checked my Grub
 settings and they seem fine. I've double-checked the kernel config and
 it includes support for reiserfs, which is what the LFS 5 is on.
 Try building the generic EIDE/PATA driver into the kernel.

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 Yeah, I think William has probably hit the nail on the head here
- you mentioned this was very old hardware.

 One of the problems with 2.6 was its very long gestation
(ISTR in excess of 70 versions of the 2.5 development series)
and an enormous number of things changed so there might
be a lot more to change once you have it booting.

 If that turns out to be the case, a description of how to get to
2.6 from 2.4 is in fact at
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/OLD/kernel-2_6-migration.txt

 To use modules, I *think* the important thing was the
'moveold' which *should* allow both 2.4 and 2.6
kernels to run.  As a precaution, copy all the
programs from modutils before this, just in case
they get overwritten.  You should also check that
your 2.4 kernel can boot to a useful state without
loading any modules, just in case this goes
wrong.

 If that works, you can use modules, then modprobe
them as necessary until you find which are
necessary.  You can find module-init-tools-3.1 at
 http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rusty/modules/

HTH, and good luck!

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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure

2009-12-03 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 23:21 -0500, Mykal Funk wrote:
 The machine has collected dust for the last 5 years. As it is a 486DX, 
 it will take a couple days to see if your suggestions work. And yes, I 
 think I left this one a bit too long. But I like a challenge. Thats why 
 I bother with an old 486 in the first place.

Wow... if you *do* get a new LFS build running on that, I'd be curious
to know how long it took...

Simon.


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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure

2009-12-03 Thread linux fan
On 12/3/09, Simon Geard wrote:
 Wow... if you *do* get a new LFS build running on that, I'd be curious
 to know how long it took...

My first guess is 11 days or so.

Calculating from:
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~sbu
MHz=100
one_sbu=5848
lfs_6_5_sbus=153
seconds=899422
time=10,9:50:22
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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure

2009-12-03 Thread Mike McCarty
linux fan wrote:
 On 12/3/09, Simon Geard wrote:
 Wow... if you *do* get a new LFS build running on that, I'd be curious
 to know how long it took...
 
 My first guess is 11 days or so.

You don't necessarily have to build on that machine. However,
I realize that may be part of the challenge.

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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure

2009-12-03 Thread linux fan
On 12/3/09, Mike McCarty wrote:

 You don't necessarily have to build on that machine. However,
 I realize that may be part of the challenge.

Hmm, if LFS 6.5 cross compiles, could you build it on a fast machine
for the slow machine and then put it on the slow machine with rsync or
something?
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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure

2009-12-03 Thread Mike McCarty
linux fan wrote:
 On 12/3/09, Mike McCarty wrote:
 
 You don't necessarily have to build on that machine. However,
 I realize that may be part of the challenge.
 
 Hmm, if LFS 6.5 cross compiles, could you build it on a fast machine
 for the slow machine and then put it on the slow machine with rsync or
 something?

That's the idea, yes. I haven't personally carried out the process,
myself, but I've done cross compiles in general for embedded machines,
and for Windows machines with Linux, etc. There are those here
who have done the compiles on VMs and then installed on real machines
later via this technique, and they could probably advise you better
than I.

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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure

2009-12-03 Thread Bruce Dubbs
linux fan wrote:
 On 12/3/09, Mike McCarty wrote:
 
 You don't necessarily have to build on that machine. However,
 I realize that may be part of the challenge.
 
 Hmm, if LFS 6.5 cross compiles, could you build it on a fast machine
 for the slow machine and then put it on the slow machine with rsync or
 something?

Yes, as long as you have a 32-bit host system and compile the kernel 
with the appropriate drivers.

I recommend tar.

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Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure

2009-12-02 Thread Mykal Funk
I am trying to upgrade an LFS 5 system so that I can build an updated 
LFS 6.5 system. However the compile fails with this output.

MODPOST vmlinux.o
WARNING: modpost: Found 5 section mismatch(es).
To see full details build you kernel with:
'make CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y'
GEN .version
CHK include/linux/compile.h
dnsdomainname: Host name lookup failure
UPD include/linux/compile.h
CC  init/version.o
LD  int/built-in.o
LD  .tmp_vmlinux1
ld:arch/x86/kernel/vmlinux.lds:473: parse error
make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1

Current kernel is linux-2.4.22-openmosix-2, if that helps. I've googled 
around and haven't found anything. I can't get this kernel to compile 
and I'm not sure why.

Thanks in Advance,
Mykal Funk
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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure

2009-12-02 Thread William Immendorf
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mykal Funk mykalf...@gmail.com wrote:
 Current kernel is linux-2.4.22-openmosix-2, if that helps. I've googled
 around and haven't found anything. I can't get this kernel to compile
 and I'm not sure why.
Sorry to dissapoint you, but you need a 2.6.18 kernel or up to build
LFS 6.5. The only solution is to upgrade your host system.


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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure

2009-12-02 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Mykal Funk wrote:
 I am trying to upgrade an LFS 5 system so that I can build an updated 
 LFS 6.5 system. However the compile fails with this output.
 
 MODPOST vmlinux.o
 WARNING: modpost: Found 5 section mismatch(es).
 To see full details build you kernel with:
 'make CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y'
 GEN .version
 CHK include/linux/compile.h
 dnsdomainname: Host name lookup failure
 UPD include/linux/compile.h
 CC  init/version.o
 LD  int/built-in.o
 LD  .tmp_vmlinux1
 ld:arch/x86/kernel/vmlinux.lds:473: parse error
 make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1
 
 Current kernel is linux-2.4.22-openmosix-2, if that helps. I've googled 
 around and haven't found anything. I can't get this kernel to compile 
 and I'm not sure why.

It's been a long time since I head of anyone still using 2.4.x.

When LFS first transitioned to the 2.6.x kernels, we didn't have a way 
to build it other than to load a commercial distro and build from there. 
  Of course someone did the first build to 2.6, but that was back in 
2003.  We don't have a build path for 2.4.x-2.6.x and we now specify at 
least 2.6.18.

I'd recommend getting ubuntu, fedora, suse, or another commercial distro 
and load that.  From there, you can build LFS-6.5 or LFS-dev.

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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure

2009-12-02 Thread Ken Moffat
2009/12/2 Bruce Dubbs bruce.du...@gmail.com:
 Mykal Funk wrote:
 I am trying to upgrade an LFS 5 system so that I can build an updated
 LFS 6.5 system. However the compile fails with this output.

 MODPOST vmlinux.o
 WARNING: modpost: Found 5 section mismatch(es).
 To see full details build you kernel with:
 'make CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y'
 GEN     .version
 CHK     include/linux/compile.h
 dnsdomainname: Host name lookup failure
 UPD     include/linux/compile.h
 CC      init/version.o
 LD      int/built-in.o
 LD      .tmp_vmlinux1
 ld:arch/x86/kernel/vmlinux.lds:473: parse error
 make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1

 Current kernel is linux-2.4.22-openmosix-2, if that helps. I've googled
 around and haven't found anything. I can't get this kernel to compile
 and I'm not sure why.

 In this case, it appears your binutils is too old.

 It's been a long time since I head of anyone still using 2.4.x.

 When LFS first transitioned to the 2.6.x kernels, we didn't have a way
 to build it other than to load a commercial distro and build from there.
  Of course someone did the first build to 2.6, but that was back in
 2003.  We don't have a build path for 2.4.x-2.6.x and we now specify at
 least 2.6.18.

 Much as I hesitate to disagree, many people built 2.6 kernels from
then-recent LFS builds.  AFAIR the big issue was installing module
init tools with the correct workarounds so that 2.4 kernels could still
be supported.

 But since then, everything has moved on and I'd be surprised if the
recent versions of module-init-tools still support the workaround (and
anyway I've forgotten the details of it)..  So Bruce's suggestion to use
a distro (or the last LFS Live CD - plus a current version of the book
and the packages to go with that) is the most efficient use of your
time.

 The alternative is to build a toolchain for the kernel (in /usr/local
or ~/ or /opt/something - you only need binutils and gcc's (kernel
only needs C, but otehr things in chapter 5 will need C++ so best
to build both), build the version of the 2.6 kernel you intend to use (but
without modules), and then see if that toolchain is good enough.
Unfortunately, picking suitable old versions is guesswork - I thought
there were tests in the kernel build system, particularly for gcc, but
all I can find from a quick look is Documentation/Changes which still
claims gcc-3.2 and binutils-2.12 are adequate - on x86 I'm certain
they are unlikely to be adequate.

The slightly longer-winded version is to build several versions of
gcc and binutils, using each to build a newer version.  As always,
the version of binutils needs to be suitable for the version of gcc
but these things are never documented.  Looking back to my old
notes, I guess the following versions might be worth exploring
e.g. first one in /opt/tools1, second in /opt/tools2 - during
toolchain builds set PATH to /opt/tools3:/opt/tools2:/opt/tools1:
and then the normal PATH after that.

binutils-2.14 and gcc-3.3.5 (based loosely on 5.1)

binutils-2.16.1 and gcc-4.0.2

binutils-2.17 and gcc-4.1.2 - I would very much hope that is recent
enough to build a current system (and particularly a current kernel).

 If you want to try this, you could even see if the more recent
toolchain will build on your current system.  Unfortunately, you
will be totally on your own for this, there are no guarantees and
it's even possibly that the old glibc might cause problems during
the build or the testing.  It's also possible that something else
entirely is causing your version of ld to complain.  The vmlinux.lds
file is generated from your kernel .config so we've no idea what is
on the line in question, and in any case I doubt there is anyone
here who is familiar enough with the toolchain to diagnose the
exact problem / required package version. :(

 In general, once you build LFS you are responsible for updating
it, and rebuilding it in due course.  I think you've left this one a bit
too long.

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Re: Linux-2.6.30.9 build failure

2009-12-02 Thread Mykal Funk
Ken Moffat wrote:
  In general, once you build LFS you are responsible for updating
 it, and rebuilding it in due course.  I think you've left this one a bit
 too long.

 ĸen
   
The machine has collected dust for the last 5 years. As it is a 486DX, 
it will take a couple days to see if your suggestions work. And yes, I 
think I left this one a bit too long. But I like a challenge. Thats why 
I bother with an old 486 in the first place.

Thanks,
Mykal Funk
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