Re: [liberationtech] US wiretap statistics (was re: a privacy preserving and resilient social network)

2013-06-29 Thread Ali-Reza Anghaie
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Alireza Mahdian alireza.mahd...@gmail.com wrote: I really hope all your other facts are not based on this link you sent. as Matt rightfully put it we don't know the kind of cipher that was used it could have been a very primitive one. you are making a very bold

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-29 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 06/29/2013 01:07 AM, Eleanor Saitta wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.28 21.02, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: That's anecdotal evidence. The vast majority of the smartphone userbase just learned the word meta-data a few weeks ago. The news about the scope of NSA

Re: [liberationtech] a privacy preserving and resilient social network

2013-06-29 Thread Eleanor Saitta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.29 11.15, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: It simply doesn't make sense to claim that someone didn't do meaningful work when describing part of the research they've done as awesome. Wat? I never said this work wasn't meaningful -- please

Re: [liberationtech] a privacy preserving and resilient social network

2013-06-29 Thread Eleanor Saitta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.29 11.09, David Golumbia wrote: put more simply: the notion of a privacy-preserving social network is an inherent contradiction in terms. No, it's totally not. You can definitely build systems that allow people to have meaningful

Re: [liberationtech] a privacy preserving and resilient social network

2013-06-29 Thread David Golumbia
I really think that is wrong, because it looks at the problem from a purely technical level. We already know that in any given network, if the snoops cannot penetrate it technically, they will penetrate it socially. They do this either through setting up puppet accounts (very visible all over

Re: [liberationtech] a privacy preserving and resilient social network

2013-06-29 Thread Eleanor Saitta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.29 11.49, David Golumbia wrote: I really think that is wrong, because it looks at the problem from a purely technical level. I'm not. I'm trying to solve specific technical problems which support larger social ends. This is

Re: [liberationtech] a privacy preserving and resilient social network

2013-06-29 Thread Randolph D.
http://retroshare.sf.net 2013/6/28 Alireza Mahdian alireza.mahd...@gmail.com: Hi, With all the recent news on NSA spying on social network users the concern over the user privacy has increased even more. I am not arguing whether it is ethical or not and whether it is needed for the safety of

Re: [liberationtech] a privacy preserving and resilient social network

2013-06-29 Thread David Golumbia
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Eleanor Saitta e...@dymaxion.org wrote: I'm not. I'm trying to solve specific technical problems which support larger social ends. I don't think privacy preservation is a technical problem, or at the least, not largely a technical problem. I think it's

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Eleanor Saitta: On 2013.06.29 10.27, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: It's not a simplistic choice between using modern devices and being a Luddite. It's about people having a better understanding about what the threats are, digesting that information (unfortunately, slowly) and then using tools to

Re: [liberationtech] a privacy preserving and resilient social network

2013-06-29 Thread Eleanor Saitta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 tl;dr-summary: Surveillance is not a scale-free property, and the notion of privacy is a notion that refers primarily to surveillance at scale. Targeted exploitation attempts are expensive and that expense represents the existing social contract

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-29 Thread Eleanor Saitta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.29 12.37, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Eleanor Saitta: None of those tools exist right now, not for locational privacy and metadata obfuscation. I disagree about the existence. Perhaps, I think we might be able to agree on certain values

[liberationtech] Vole is P2P social network that uses BitTorrent

2013-06-29 Thread Mark Theunissen
Hi list, We've created an open-source (MIT license) social networking app that stands on the shoulders of BitTorrent Sync. It runs in the browser, looks kinda like Twitter. Vole is a small web server written in Go that you run locally. It presents a browser interface and saves JSON back to the

[liberationtech] Secret European deals to hand over private data to America

2013-06-29 Thread Jurre andmore
There was a hearing last week in Dutch parliament about PRISM. There was another interesting point being discussed a rumor that the TAT-14 cable in Katwijk was being eavesdropped. Not only is it eavesdropped, but data is shared with the US! Article below: Revealed: secret European deals to hand

Re: [liberationtech] Secret European deals to hand over private data to America

2013-06-29 Thread Paul Bernal (LAW)
None of this should be surprising, should it? It's a reasonable assumption that all intelligence agencies share their data on a pretty regular basis - certainly with 'friendly' nations, and almost certainly with others, on a quid pro quo basis. It's always been that way. On 29 Jun 2013, at

Re: [liberationtech] Secret European deals to hand over private data to America

2013-06-29 Thread Parker Higgins
It was an Observer article, which shares a website with the Guardian despite separate staff and editorial. It was also heavily dependent on Wayne Madsen as a source, and he is a crackpot. Guardian removed the article when they discovered what happened. Check Glenn Greenwald's timeline on

Re: [liberationtech] Secret European deals to hand over private data to America

2013-06-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Paul Bernal (LAW): None of this should be surprising, should it? It's a reasonable assumption that all intelligence agencies share their data on a pretty regular basis - certainly with 'friendly' nations, and almost certainly with others, on a quid pro quo basis. It's always been that way.

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Eleanor Saitta: On 2013.06.29 12.37, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Eleanor Saitta: None of those tools exist right now, not for locational privacy and metadata obfuscation. I disagree about the existence. Perhaps, I think we might be able to agree on certain values of 'unusable' rather than