Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-09-04 Thread John Sullivan
Tom Ritter t...@ritter.vg writes: I *think* that app stores take a binary you upload and run their static and dynamic checks on that. They then publish that binary without modification. (Indeed, how could they modify it? You sign it with your key.) In that case, I think a verifiable build

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-13 Thread Reed Black
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:46 AM, Michael Rogers mich...@briarproject.org wrote: The app store can't substitute a different binary (no developer signing key), users can verify that the app was what the developer produced (via pulling the binary and checking the hash), and advanced users can

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-11 Thread Michael Rogers
The app store can't substitute a different binary (no developer signing key), users can verify that the app was what the developer produced (via pulling the binary and checking the hash), and advanced users can verify that what the developer produced is what they produce via the replicable

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-10 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/08/13 17:43, Reed Black wrote: CryptoCat is served up by the Chrome app store. Do you have control over what binary gets distributed to who? Does any assurace exist beyond the app store's own signing validation? I thought this was like

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-10 Thread Tom Ritter
On 10 August 2013 11:43, Michael Rogers mich...@briarproject.org wrote: If we assume that app stores aren't going away any time soon, we need to address this problem: How can a user who downloads an app from an app store be satisfied that it was built from published source code? We might also

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-09 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-08-08, at 11:53 PM, Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.org wrote: It is profoundly encouraging to see that people of such courage and integrity as the Lavabit staff exist, and are willing to put everything on the line to stand up against this madness. +1. For what it's worth, and even

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-09 Thread Ali-Reza Anghaie
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: For what it's worth, and even though I think it's pretty unlikely that Cryptocat will receive such an order, *snip* You're right but that should provide little comfort - when they come after the non-business platform libtech

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-09 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-08-09, at 11:31 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie a...@packetknife.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: For what it's worth, and even though I think it's pretty unlikely that Cryptocat will receive such an order, *snip* You're right but that should

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-09 Thread Julien Rabier
Le 09 août - 11:48, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit : On 2013-08-09, at 11:31 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie a...@packetknife.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: For what it's worth, and even though I think it's pretty unlikely that Cryptocat will receive such

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-09 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-08-09, at 11:59 AM, Julien Rabier tazi...@flexiden.org wrote: Le 09 août - 11:48, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit : On 2013-08-09, at 11:31 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie a...@packetknife.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: For what it's worth, and even

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-09 Thread Jason Gulledge
Also, weren't NSLs ruled unconstitutional recently? NK I don't remember that, but I do remember hearing the FISC ruled some of the NSA's activities unconstitutional….in 2011. http://www.ibtimes.com/fisc-will-not-object-release-2011-court-opinion-confirmed-nsas-illegal-surveillance-1305023

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-09 Thread Jillian C. York
I think Nadim is referring to this: https://www.eff.org/press/releases/national-security-letters-are-unconstitutional-federal-judge-rules On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: On 2013-08-09, at 11:59 AM, Julien Rabier tazi...@flexiden.org wrote: Le 09 août

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-09 Thread Nick
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 11:26:21AM +0300, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: On 2013-08-08, at 11:53 PM, Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.org wrote: It is profoundly encouraging to see that people of such courage and integrity as the Lavabit staff exist, and are willing to put everything on the line to

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-09 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-08-09, at 1:24 PM, Nick liberationt...@njw.me.uk wrote: On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 11:26:21AM +0300, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: On 2013-08-08, at 11:53 PM, Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.org wrote: It is profoundly encouraging to see that people of such courage and integrity as the Lavabit

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

2013-08-09 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-08-09, at 1:55 PM, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) li...@infosecurity.ch wrote: Il 8/9/13 10:59 AM, Julien Rabier ha scritto: Le 09 août - 11:48, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit : On 2013-08-09, at 11:31 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie a...@packetknife.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Nadim

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

2013-08-09 Thread Joseph Lorenzo Hall
On Fri Aug 9 06:55:12 2013, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: This is because with OpenFire + Chrome you can also do end-to-end encrypted WebRTC Audio/Video call. Firefox nightlies, as far as I'm aware, also provide WebRTC capability these days (based on DTLS-SRTP... they voted down at last

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

2013-08-09 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Il 8/9/13 3:29 PM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall ha scritto: On Fri Aug 9 06:55:12 2013, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: This is because with OpenFire + Chrome you can also do end-to-end encrypted WebRTC Audio/Video call. Firefox nightlies, as far as I'm aware, also provide WebRTC capability these

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

2013-08-09 Thread Joseph Lorenzo Hall
On Fri Aug 9 09:42:49 2013, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: To be true, i invested 4 weeks of trolling on IETF WebRTC mailing list sustaining the need to support also SDES in order to provide interoperability with existing VoIP world from day 1. ::) I think I'm solidly with EKR on this...

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

2013-08-09 Thread Griffin Boyce
Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: If someone want to make this recipie working, i think that the world would appreciate with an easy to be setup, independently run, audio, video, file transfer, chat infrastructure accessible with a web browser . Welp, there goes my weekend. Dangit, naif! ;-)

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-09 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 09.08.2013 13:15, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: Yup, Cryptocat has had build assurance for quite some time. Sorry, not possible to backdoor without people noticing is still a valid line of defence and has been one for a while. You should think about splitting Cryptocat software development and

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-09 Thread Frederic Jacobs
Thankfully Cryptocat can be used with a custom server. They can shut down a server but they can't prevent new servers being configured. Hence the importance of decentralized open-source software. On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: On 2013-08-09, at 11:31 AM,

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-09 Thread Nicholas Merrill
On 8/9/13 5:34 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: Also, weren't NSLs ruled unconstitutional recently? NK Yes. However... NSLs have been ruled unconstitutional several times beginning in 2004 [1] with my case ( Doe v. Ashcroft / Doe v. Gonzalez / Doe v. Mukasey / Doe v. Holder ) and then again in 2007

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

2013-08-09 Thread Brian Conley
Griffin, make it so!! On Aug 9, 2013 7:31 AM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.com wrote: Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: If someone want to make this recipie working, i think that the world would appreciate with an easy to be setup, independently run, audio, video, file transfer, chat

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-09 Thread Petter Ericson
On 09 August, 2013 - Moritz Bartl wrote: On 09.08.2013 13:15, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: Yup, Cryptocat has had build assurance for quite some time. Sorry, not possible to backdoor without people noticing is still a valid line of defence and has been one for a while. You should think about

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-09 Thread Reed Black
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:26 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: On 2013-08-08, at 11:53 PM, Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.org wrote: It is profoundly encouraging to see that people of such courage and integrity as the Lavabit staff exist, and are willing to put everything on the line

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-09 Thread adrelanos
Moritz Bartl: On 09.08.2013 13:15, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: Yup, Cryptocat has had build assurance for quite some time. Sorry, not possible to backdoor without people noticing is still a valid line of defence and has been one for a while. You should think about splitting Cryptocat software

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

2013-08-09 Thread Griffin Boyce
Thanks for volunteering to help me test the service ;3 Brian Conley wrote: Griffin, make it so!! On Aug 9, 2013 7:31 AM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.com mailto:griffinbo...@gmail.com wrote: Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: If someone want to make this recipie working, i think

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL??? (Recipe for Secure Audio, Video, Chat, File Transfer)

2013-08-09 Thread Brian Conley
of course!!! Ready and waiting captain! On Aug 9, 2013 10:37 AM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for volunteering to help me test the service ;3 Brian Conley wrote: Griffin, make it so!! On Aug 9, 2013 7:31 AM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.com

[liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-08 Thread David Johnson
https://lavabit.com/https://mail.aljazeera.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=C-JjrgIYEEuVtop4L5ekkprZkHoJaNAI1emSTsdeFmPgXa3gmIunVE-6BLYJ-qLs7Uy3YNIHo0k.URL=https%3a%2f%2flavabit.com%2f My Fellow Users, I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-08 Thread Mike Perry
It is profoundly encouraging to see that people of such courage and integrity as the Lavabit staff exist, and are willing to put everything on the line to stand up against this madness. David Johnson:

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-08 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
right. They're putting their lives' work, their livelihood, at stake. Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.org wrote: It is profoundly encouraging to see that

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-08 Thread Shava Nerad
http://boingboing.net/2013/08/08/lavabit-email-service-snowden.html has the link to the correct paypal donation page. On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 4:31 PM, David Johnson da...@bostonreview.netwrote:

Re: [liberationtech] From Snowden's email provider. NSL???

2013-08-08 Thread Kyle Maxwell
I find it unlikely that it's an NSL per se. That would compel Lavabit to produce existing business records, and shutting down doesn't provide any defense against that. But if the FBI (likely the lead agency on this) tried to compel Lavabit to weaken its implementation so that they could conduct