Re: [liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

2012-12-28 Thread Adam Fisk
The content of the communication should be direct in 90% of cases though - not going through Google's servers at all. Granted the Google Voice plugin is a bit of an enigma at this point - not yet based on libjingle or webrtc yet in my understanding. It should migrate though, at which point it will

Re: [liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

2012-12-28 Thread Adam Fisk
I sympathize with your frustration about Google and other companies' unwillingness to talk about their interception capabilities. In the particular case of Hangouts, it seems clear that the Hangout data is encrypted only between the user and Google, and not end-to-end. That doesn't appear

Re: [liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

2012-12-28 Thread Jerzy Łogiewa
Supports, but doesn't mean uses for default! SRTP also supports NULL CIPHER... -- Jerzy Łogiewa -- jerz...@interia.eu On Dec 28, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Adam Fisk wrote: I sympathize with your frustration about Google and other companies' unwillingness to talk about their interception

Re: [liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

2012-12-28 Thread Adam Fisk
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Adam Fisk a...@littleshoot.org wrote: I sympathize with your frustration about Google and other companies' unwillingness to talk about their interception capabilities. In the particular case of Hangouts, it seems clear that the Hangout data is encrypted

Re: [liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

2012-12-28 Thread Adam Fisk
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Jerzy Łogiewa jerz...@interia.eu wrote: Supports, but doesn't mean uses for default! SRTP also supports NULL CIPHER... Right -- ideally one of us would fire up Wireshark to check the defaults. -Adam -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at:

Re: [liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

2012-12-22 Thread liberationtech
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 03:48:15PM -0500, m...@markbelinsky.com wrote 8.9K bytes in 0 lines about: : glad that Andrew, you've had some successes! I'm curious what combo you : were using it with? It's very much a work in progress, yes. I use debian. I've used it with others on windows xp, windows

Re: [liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

2012-12-22 Thread liberationtech
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 09:03:02AM -0800, bri...@smallworldnews.tv wrote 5.5K bytes in 0 lines about: : So I guess I'd say, who is going to fund a competitor to skype built on : jitsi? Without a. Convenient easy to use GUI b. Sexy advocates and adopters : and c. A marketing plan you aren't going

Re: [liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

2012-12-22 Thread Jerzy Łogiewa
Jitsi looks like promising tool, but video chat always crash my mac. Even preference for video setting! -- Jerzy Łogiewa -- jerz...@interia.eu On Dec 21, 2012, at 8:23 PM, KheOps wrote: We have tried to push Jitsi forward as a replacement to Skype, notably with Syrian people. In the first

[liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

2012-12-21 Thread Brian Conley
So I guess the question is, is there a more/similarly convenient video/audio chatting tool that can be advocated as a standard? Skype is a problem, hands down. But people will continue to use it, particularly in situations they see as nonthreatening (rightly and wrongly) because it is convenient

Re: [liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

2012-12-21 Thread KheOps
Hi everyone :) Le 21/12/2012 17:29, liberationt...@lewman.us a écrit : On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:52:35 -0800 Brian Conley bri...@smallworldnews.tv wrote: So I guess the question is, is there a more/similarly convenient video/audio chatting tool that can be advocated as a standard? Here's a

Re: [liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

2012-12-21 Thread Brian Conley
On Dec 21, 2012 2:24 PM, KheOps khe...@ceops.eu wrote: Hi everyone :) Le 21/12/2012 17:29, liberationt...@lewman.us a écrit : On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:52:35 -0800 Brian Conley bri...@smallworldnews.tv wrote: So I guess the question is, is there a more/similarly convenient video/audio

Re: [liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

2012-12-21 Thread Mark Belinsky
While Jitsi is fantastically cross-platform, I've not found it to be particularly reliable depending on the operating system and service. I'm glad that Andrew, you've had some successes! I'm curious what combo you were using it with? At Guardian Project we've been investigating the opportunities

Re: [liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

2012-12-21 Thread Adam Fisk
I'm not entirely clear on why this is advantageous versus say Google Hangouts. You're likely using Google Talk servers in both cases, which is the central point of control no matter what. What am I missing Andrew? I trust Google's encryption more than I do Jitsi's, and my pretty darn thorough walk

Re: [liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

2012-12-21 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Brian Conley: So I guess the question is, is there a more/similarly convenient video/audio chatting tool that can be advocated as a standard? Jitsi? Skype is a problem, hands down. But people will continue to use it, particularly in situations they see as nonthreatening (rightly and

Re: [liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

2012-12-21 Thread Brian Conley
Thanks Jacob, How do you consider Adams concerns about Jitsi? Brian On Dec 21, 2012 8:24 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Brian Conley: So I guess the question is, is there a more/similarly convenient video/audio chatting tool that can be advocated as a standard? Jitsi?