Re: [liberationtech] Sociological studies of covert mass-surveillance organisations

2013-09-02 Thread Caspar Bowden (lists)
On 09/01/13 21:49, Michael Rogers wrote: On 01/09/13 10:00, Caspar Bowden (lists) wrote: AFAIK Deleuze, Foucault et al. did not say anything specifically about covert (mass-)surveillance, or analyse how the inherently secret nature of such organizations might be a causal element in theories of

Re: [liberationtech] Sociological studies of covert mass-surveillance organisations

2013-09-02 Thread Caspar Bowden (lists)
On 09/01/13 22:21, Guido Witmond wrote: ... Before the revelations and the subsequent confirmations, many people would rather believe the old truth (having nothing to hide) than to live with the new truth that they've been misled. Truth hurts. That's the reason why so many people claim they

Re: [liberationtech] Sociological studies of covert mass-surveillance organisations

2013-09-02 Thread Caspar Bowden (lists)
On 09/02/13 08:46, Caspar Bowden (lists) wrote: On 09/01/13 21:49, Michael Rogers wrote: ... Wasn't the NSA closer to the panoptic ideal when it was No Such Agency than now, when we know we're being watched? Yes, absolutely, but I don't think NSA wanted that, although a grimly conspiratorial

Re: [liberationtech] Sociological studies of covert mass-surveillance organisations

2013-09-02 Thread Asa Rossoff
Caspar Bowden (lists) wrote: On 09/01/13 21:49, Michael Rogers wrote: ... Is there anyone who's aware of overt surveillance and who doesn't at least suspect that some form of covert surveillance also exists? And isn't that suspicion enough to create a panoptic effect? to some *unconscious*

Re: [liberationtech] Sociological studies of covert mass-surveillance organisations

2013-09-01 Thread Caspar Bowden (lists)
Many thanks Yosem, Luis Felipe Greg On 08/31/13 07:14, Luis Felipe R. Murillo wrote: On 08/30/2013 01:54 PM, Yosem Companys wrote: From: Caspar Bowden li...@casparbowden.net I realize this is an improbable request (I think), but is anyone aware of any Surveillance Studies research on the

Re: [liberationtech] Sociological studies of covert mass-surveillance organisations

2013-09-01 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/13 10:00, Caspar Bowden (lists) wrote: AFAIK Deleuze, Foucault et al. did not say anything specifically about covert (mass-)surveillance, or analyse how the inherently secret nature of such organizations might be a causal element in

Re: [liberationtech] Sociological studies of covert mass-surveillance organisations

2013-09-01 Thread Guido Witmond
On 09/01/13 22:49, Michael Rogers wrote: On 01/09/13 10:00, Caspar Bowden (lists) wrote: AFAIK Deleuze, Foucault et al. did not say anything specifically about covert (mass-)surveillance, or analyse how the inherently secret nature of such organizations might be a causal element in theories

Re: [liberationtech] Sociological studies of covert mass-surveillance organisations

2013-09-01 Thread Shava Nerad
This isn't quite what you are looking for, but as a jumping off point for the old-school intelligence/diplomatic studies nexus of culture we are inheriting, this is not a bad historic orientation or bibliographic compass set.

Re: [liberationtech] Sociological studies of covert mass-surveillance organisations

2013-08-31 Thread Luis Felipe R. Murillo
On 08/30/2013 01:54 PM, Yosem Companys wrote: From: Caspar Bowden li...@casparbowden.net I realize this is an improbable request (I think), but is anyone aware of any Surveillance Studies research on the organisations conducting * covert/secret* mass-surveillance (a securitocracy) many

Re: [liberationtech] Sociological studies of covert mass-surveillance organisations

2013-08-31 Thread Greg Norcie
This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but an alleged anonymous TSA screener started a blog. I think that some of the details, such as the fact that they allegedly have acronyms for bogus bag checks designed to inconvenience passengers who are difficult speaks volumes.

[liberationtech] Sociological studies of covert mass-surveillance organisations

2013-08-30 Thread Yosem Companys
From: Caspar Bowden li...@casparbowden.net I realize this is an improbable request (I think), but is anyone aware of any Surveillance Studies research on the organisations conducting * covert/secret* mass-surveillance (a securitocracy) many thanks any pointers Caspar Bowden -- Liberationtech