Re: [Libreoffice] Question about IAccessibility2
Hi all, On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 21:20 +0100, Christophe Strobbe wrote: Those are already strings, which will be localized. I have no application to test, whether this is sufficient. But I guess it will, because otherwise people would have complained in a lot of other places where list boxes are used. :-) Just in case you would like to test this: there are two free options on Windows: I would recommend asking a friend to test this on Linux, where the accerciser tool will instantly show you whether you've got the new names right; and it is native code without any twisted java-ness. Just for information, I've Accerciser installed on my machine and am usually testing LibO with Orca, so if you need some tests, don't hesitate to ping me directly. Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Question about IAccessibility2
Hi Christophe, Christophe Strobbe schrieb: Hi Regina, At 23:11 21-11-2011, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I have started to implement the attribute stroke-linecap. I assume this refers to svg:stroke-linecap (�20.164 in the ODF 1.2 spec, which refers to stroke properties in the SVG spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/painting.html#StrokeProperties). Yes. I come across IAccessibility2 in files /core/cui/source/tabpages/tabline.hrc /core/cui/source/tabpages/tabline.src There are some string resources defined like #define STR_END_LENGTH 41 Some are commented out in lines 125 to 134 in tabline.hrc. Such string resources are used in method SetAccessibleName in /core/cui/source/tabpages/tpline.cxx SetAccessibleName is a method that exists in several accessibility APIs, e.g. * ATK: atk_object_set_name: http://developer.gnome.org/atk/stable/AtkObject.html#atk-object-set-name * Java: http://download.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/javax/accessibility/AccessibleContext.html#setAccessibleName%28java.lang.String%29 * Microsoft: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb776383.aspx: IAccessibleObject::SetAccessibleName method So it is a comprehensive concept. I see them for some controls but not for all, especially not for maLBEdgeStyle. (1) What they are used for? (2) Why they are set for some controls but not for all? (3) Do I have to define such a string for my new linecap style list box? I don't know what the accessible name for a stroke-linecap would be (i.e. when it is present in ODF content). However, if you are referring to a list box where an author can choose between different stroke-linecap styles, I would definitely give those options an accessible name (e.g. butt cap, round cap and square cap, which I found in the SVG spec). Those are already strings, which will be localized. I have no application to test, whether this is sufficient. But I guess it will, because otherwise people would have complained in a lot of other places where list boxes are used. I think I postpone this special detail until the rest is finished and there is a product that can be tested in connection with an accessibility application. I hope this helps. Yes, I had not been aware, that the concept is not special for LibO/OOo. Kind regards Regina ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Question about IAccessibility2
Hi Regina, At 15:31 24-11-2011, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Christophe, Christophe Strobbe schrieb: (...) I come across IAccessibility2 (...) Such string resources are used in method SetAccessibleName in /core/cui/source/tabpages/tpline.cxx SetAccessibleName is a method that exists in several accessibility APIs, e.g. * ATK: atk_object_set_name: http://developer.gnome.org/atk/stable/AtkObject.html#atk-object-set-name * Java: http://download.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/javax/accessibility/AccessibleContext.html#setAccessibleName%28java.lang.String%29 * Microsoft: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb776383.aspx: IAccessibleObject::SetAccessibleName method So it is a comprehensive concept. (...) if you are referring to a list box where an author can choose between different stroke-linecap styles, I would definitely give those options an accessible name (e.g. butt cap, round cap and square cap, which I found in the SVG spec). Those are already strings, which will be localized. I have no application to test, whether this is sufficient. But I guess it will, because otherwise people would have complained in a lot of other places where list boxes are used. Just in case you would like to test this: there are two free options on Windows: * NVDA: an open-source screen reader: http://www.nvda-project.org/. (The portable version can be run from a USB key if you don't want to install it.) When testing with a screen reader, you first need to installe the Java Access Bridge: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/tech/index-jsp-136191.html. * The Java Accessibility Utilities, which you can (still) find at http://java.sun.com/javase/technologies/accessibility/downloads.jsphttp://java.sun.com/javase/technologies/accessibility/downloads.jsp. Because LibreOffice on Windows uses the Java Accessibility API, you can these inspection tools. The Java Accessibility Utilities include Java Monitor, Ferret, Monkey and AccessibilityMonitor. To use, for example, Java Monitor, one should go through the following steps: 1. Add the jar files jaccess.jar and jaccess-examples.jar in the CLASSPATH. 2. Modify the file lib/accessibility.properties in the JDKHOME directory to include the following line: assistive_technologies=JavaMonitor Note that the README.txt claims that this line should be AWT.assistive_technologies=JavaMonitor, but this is not correct. 3. When you start LibreOffice (or a pure Java application), Java Monitor will start automatically. For checking accessible name, description, role, value and state(s) in menus, Ferret is the appropriate tool. (Oh, and alway close LibreOffice if you want to close the accessibility utility; if you try to close the accessibility utility first, it will also close LibreOffice.) I think I postpone this special detail until the rest is finished and there is a product that can be tested in connection with an accessibility application. OK. And thanks for asking questions about accessibility :-) Best regards, Christophe -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ Twitter: @RabelaisA11y --- Open source for accessibility: results from the AEGIS project www.aegis-project.eu --- Please don't invite me to Facebook, Quechup or other social networks. You may have agreed to their privacy policy, but I haven't. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Question about IAccessibility2
On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 21:20 +0100, Christophe Strobbe wrote: Those are already strings, which will be localized. I have no application to test, whether this is sufficient. But I guess it will, because otherwise people would have complained in a lot of other places where list boxes are used. :-) Just in case you would like to test this: there are two free options on Windows: I would recommend asking a friend to test this on Linux, where the accerciser tool will instantly show you whether you've got the new names right; and it is native code without any twisted java-ness. Having said that - simply adding a new accessible name is sufficiently simple that we can check that at code-review time, I don't think there is need for detailed testing there. OK. And thanks for asking questions about accessibility :-) Though of course this is cool :-) All the best, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Question about IAccessibility2
Hi Regina, At 23:11 21-11-2011, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I have started to implement the attribute stroke-linecap. I assume this refers to svg:stroke-linecap (§20.164 in the ODF 1.2 spec, which refers to stroke properties in the SVG spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/painting.html#StrokeProperties). I come across IAccessibility2 in files /core/cui/source/tabpages/tabline.hrc /core/cui/source/tabpages/tabline.src There are some string resources defined like #define STR_END_LENGTH 41 Some are commented out in lines 125 to 134 in tabline.hrc. Such string resources are used in method SetAccessibleName in /core/cui/source/tabpages/tpline.cxx SetAccessibleName is a method that exists in several accessibility APIs, e.g. * ATK: atk_object_set_name: http://developer.gnome.org/atk/stable/AtkObject.html#atk-object-set-name * Java: http://download.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/javax/accessibility/AccessibleContext.html#setAccessibleName%28java.lang.String%29 * Microsoft: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb776383.aspx: IAccessibleObject::SetAccessibleName method I see them for some controls but not for all, especially not for maLBEdgeStyle. (1) What they are used for? (2) Why they are set for some controls but not for all? (3) Do I have to define such a string for my new linecap style list box? I don't know what the accessible name for a stroke-linecap would be (i.e. when it is present in ODF content). However, if you are referring to a list box where an author can choose between different stroke-linecap styles, I would definitely give those options an accessible name (e.g. butt cap, round cap and square cap, which I found in the SVG spec). I hope this helps. Best regards, Christophe -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ Twitter: @RabelaisA11y --- Open source for accessibility: results from the AEGIS project www.aegis-project.eu --- Please don't invite me to Facebook, Quechup or other social networks. You may have agreed to their privacy policy, but I haven't. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Question about IAccessibility2
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 23:11 +0100, Regina Henschel wrote: I see them for some controls but not for all, especially not for maLBEdgeStyle. (1) What they are used for? Well, they're probably intended for accessibility support anyway, e.g. screenreaders. Not sure however whether they're generic things which could be explored under Linux with accessibility enabled on your desktop and Orca, or if they're true IAccessibility things specifically for windows accessibility. (2) Why they are set for some controls but not for all? The IAccessiblity2 stuff was originally IBM sponsored IIRC. Couple of announcements a few years ago that it would be integrated into OpenOffice.org, I think that some of it did get integrated in eventually before Oracle pulled out of OOo, but quite possibly the a11y stuff lagged far behind the other code changes over the years and its simply out of sync. e.g. a11y based on 1.X.y/2.X.Y OOo merged into a 3.X.Y OOo (3) Do I have to define such a string for my new linecap style list box? Not sure, can't hurt anyway :-) C. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice] Question about IAccessibility2
Hi all, I have started to implement the attribute stroke-linecap. I come across IAccessibility2 in files /core/cui/source/tabpages/tabline.hrc /core/cui/source/tabpages/tabline.src There are some string resources defined like #define STR_END_LENGTH 41 Some are commented out in lines 125 to 134 in tabline.hrc. Such string resources are used in method SetAccessibleName in /core/cui/source/tabpages/tpline.cxx I see them for some controls but not for all, especially not for maLBEdgeStyle. (1) What they are used for? (2) Why they are set for some controls but not for all? (3) Do I have to define such a string for my new linecap style list box? Kind regards Regina ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
