Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2019-07-25

2019-07-26 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 25/07/2019 17:34, Jan Holesovsky wrote: * Bump LO 6.4 Java baseline from Java 6 to 8? (Stephan) + Only bumped from Java 5 to 6 for LO 6.3. + But Java 12 is becoming ever more popular, with min target 7 (e.g., "Bump Java source and targe

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2019-06-28 Thread David Tardon
On Thu, 2019-06-27 at 15:22 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > + fuzzit https://fuzzit.dev/ available > + offering things to OSS projects – but looks like oss-fuzz > + seem to be pushing hard to encourage people to use it > + may look on return from vacation For the record, there

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2019-06-27 Thread M Henri Day
Den tors 27 juni 2019 kl 16:23 skrev Michael Meeks < michael.me...@collabora.com>: > * Present: > + Sophie, Kendy, Oliver, Christian, Stephan, Michael S, Michael W > Michael M, Caolan, Gabriel, Eike, Xisco, Thorsten, Heiko > > * Completed Action Items: > + send Arkadij a welcome mail

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2019-03-30 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Markus On 28/03/2019 17:53, Markus Mohrhard wrote: > This one was caused by a missing symbol extraction after symbol upload. > I could not find any reason in the log files that explains why the > upload of the symbols would succeed but the unziping of the uploaded > file would fail. As a result

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2019-03-28 Thread Markus Mohrhard
Hey Michael, all, On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 12:44 AM Michael Meeks wrote: > Hi Markus, > > On 28/03/2019 16:13, Markus Mohrhard wrote: > > so in general the fastest way to get some feedback might be to ping me > > directly and give me some time to look into such issues. While I still > > have quit

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2019-03-28 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Markus, On 28/03/2019 16:13, Markus Mohrhard wrote: > so in general the fastest way to get some feedback might be to ping me > directly and give me some time to look into such issues. While I still > have quite bad internet and can't do any uploads of symbol information I > can still at least q

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2019-03-28 Thread Markus Mohrhard
Hey, * Crash Reporting (Xisco) > + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2 > + 837 (+46) > + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2 > + 875 634 (+241) > + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3 > + 1295 (+59) > + http://cras

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2019-01-17 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Michael Meeks wrote: > * GSOC 2019 (Xisco) > AI: Submit proposal (Thorsten/Heiko/Xisco) > Done. Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/

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2018-12-06 Thread Heiko Tietze
On 06.12.18 17:51, Michael Meeks wrote: > Hi Markus, > > On 06/12/2018 16:46, Markus Mohrhard wrote: >>          + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc >> (Heiko) >>             + how to know ? - checkout release notes >>   >> These people should feel free to complain

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2018-11-30 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Michael Meeks wrote: > * Hackfests & Events (Thorsten) >+ next year hackfests coming up: >+ FOSDEM in February - 2 days before the conference expected. > Apologies, there's an off-by-one error: tentative FOSDEM schedule is as follows: Wednesday, January 30 * Hackfest at betacowork T

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2018-09-14 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 13/09/2018 16:35, Michael Meeks wrote: * IRC channel (cloph) + Spam wave seems over/in control by freenode – keep +r? + should we keep restriction to only registered nicks. + up to moderators – why not just lift it for dev channel (Thorsten) Had to enable it again now (after clop

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2018-09-13 Thread Jan-Marek Glogowski
Am 13.09.2018 um 18:09 schrieb V Stuart Foote: > >> * CTRL+ALT+E isn't opening the extension dialog but inserts a "é" >> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119676 >>+ bug?, see also 118269 >> + why do we have a hot-key for that dialog ? (Michael) >>+ not o

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2018-09-13 Thread V Stuart Foote
From: Libreoffice-qa on behalf of Michael Meeks Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 9:35 AM To: libreoffice-dev; libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org > * CTRL+ALT+E isn't opening the extension dialog but inserts a "é" > + https://bugs.documentfounda

Re: Compiler baselines (was: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...)

2018-07-24 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Stephan Bergmann wrote: > According to the feature matrix at > , bumping to GCC 7 and > MSVC 2017 15.7 would give us almost complete C++17 support, which would of > course be a great step forward. > oh nice! > For the TDF Linux builds on CentOS 6

Re: Compiler baselines (was: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...)

2018-07-24 Thread Tor Lillqvist
I would assume that Visual Studio gently but firmly tries to insist you keep updated to the latest release of it anyway, so I don't see any reason to not require a relatively recent release. So feel free to explicitly do that, if you can figure our how to do it cleanly in configure.ac. --tml _

Compiler baselines (was: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...)

2018-07-24 Thread Stephan Bergmann
[fuck gmail; this was meant to go to libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org not libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org] Forwarded Message Subject: Compiler baselines (was: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 12:28:21 +0200 From: Stephan Bergmann To

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call

2018-06-28 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Stephan Bergmann wrote: > * Jean-Sebastien: > + Linagora branch for French ministry (mimo branch) > + Tell us name of desired branch, will be added (Thorsten) > + Sub-branches even? Probably not needed > Done - also added Jean-Sebastien as committer, otherwise the whole branch exercise

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2018-04-30 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 26/04/18 16:36, Michael Meeks wrote: + create & circulate new ESC time poll & CC dev list (Heiko) => https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4 Even if the times in the poll are in UTC, I assume we are looking for a time that will float with the CET/CEST summer-time change again (

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2018-04-16 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Khaled, On Saturday, 2018-04-14 04:44:02 +0200, Khaled Hosny wrote: > > > There are two proposals for the project I want to mentor, but none of them > > > submitted any patches so far, so I'm not sure if we want any of these or > > > not. > > > > It's too late now because GSoC slot requests s

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2018-04-13 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 01:32:59PM +0200, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi Khaled, > > On Thursday, 2018-04-05 16:22:26 +, Khaled Hosny wrote: > > > There are two proposals for the project I want to mentor, but none of them > > submitted any patches so far, so I'm not sure if we want any of these or >

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2018-04-10 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Khaled, On Thursday, 2018-04-05 16:22:26 +, Khaled Hosny wrote: > There are two proposals for the project I want to mentor, but none of them > submitted any patches so far, so I'm not sure if we want any of these or > not. It's too late now because GSoC slot requests should had happened a

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2018-04-09 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 06/04/18 16:43, Stephan Bergmann wrote: Unfortunately, appears that none of the Gerrit/Jenkins bots will actually check such changes (as none of them apparently uses --with-help=...).  Leads to broken master that needs fixing like

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2018-04-06 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 05/04/18 16:48, Michael Meeks wrote: * Documentation (Olivier) + Help pages updated /fixes (G. Kelemen. S. Horacek, buovjaga, D. Roscek, ohallot, atimar, A. Gelmini) + (on going) wiki page on direct inline help page editing in gerrit (thanks to D. Ostrovsky, M. Kaganski

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2018-04-05 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018, 5:22 PM 'Markus Mohrhard' via Khaled Hosny < khaledho...@eglug.org> wrote: > Hey, > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Michael Meeks > wrote: > >> >> >> * GSoC Application (Thorsten, Heiko) >>+ 42 final applications – deadline is over, please review! >> + somewhat do

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2018-04-05 Thread Markus Mohrhard
Hey, On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: > > > * GSoC Application (Thorsten, Heiko) >+ 42 final applications – deadline is over, please review! > + somewhat down on previous years; similar to other projects. >+ 16+ mentors >+ 10-15 interested students discussin

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-09-18 Thread Markus Mohrhard
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Markus Mohrhard < markus.mohrh...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Michael Meeks < > michael.me...@collabora.com> wrote: > >> Hi Markus, >> >> On 18/09/17 16:26, Markus Mohrhard wrote: >> > * Crash Reporter (Xisco) >> > + ht

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-09-18 Thread Markus Mohrhard
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: > Hi Markus, > > On 18/09/17 16:26, Markus Mohrhard wrote: > > * Crash Reporter (Xisco) > > + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/?days=128 > ... > > I already spent more than a day looking into that issue. It is not a > > pro

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-09-18 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Markus, On 18/09/17 16:26, Markus Mohrhard wrote: > * Crash Reporter (Xisco) >     + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/?days=128 ... > I already spent more than a day looking into that issue. It is not a > problem in LibreOffice or our tooling. Merged libraries generarted with >

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-09-18 Thread Markus Mohrhard
> > > * Crash Reporter (Xisco) > + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/?days=128 > + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.4.2 > + 2121 (last 7 days) > + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.5.2 > + 516 (last 7 days) > + http://cra

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-07-21 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi, On Friday, 2017-07-21 14:27:11 +0200, Markus Mohrhard wrote: > So my suggestion would be that we all try to write a few lines in a mail > when we have committed something that can/should be used by more developers. > > What do you think? I completely agree. Eike -- LibreOffice Calc dev

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-07-21 Thread Markus Mohrhard
Hey, On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Stephan Bergmann wrote: > > > * Berlin German community meeting (Thorsten) > > + Hard to track changes going in for non fulltime devs (Björn) > + somebody to summarize the commits going in? > + would that actually be useful? (Michael S

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-06-15 Thread Antonio Faccioli - LibreItalia
Hy all, Il 2017-06-15 15:09 Michael Meeks ha scritto: Hi guys, On 15/06/17 11:04, Heiko Tietze wrote: Would say the arguments are on the table. Cloph, what is the drawback of adding appimage to our repo ? Can we shelve this, and discuss it in-person at the next ESC call; I've added it to

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-06-15 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi guys, On 15/06/17 11:04, Heiko Tietze wrote: > Would say the arguments are on the table. Cloph, what is the drawback > of adding appimage to our repo ? Can we shelve this, and discuss it in-person at the next ESC call; I've added it to the agenda already =) I'm hoping to see Antonio th

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-06-15 Thread Heiko Tietze
Would say the arguments are on the table. Cloph, what is the drawback of adding appimage to our repo? Time, size, traffic? In your opinion it has only little benefit but when the costs are low that might be acceptable. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature __

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2017-06-14 Thread Jay Philips
> Hi Jay, *, Hi Cloph, >> 1) not having to install it on your system to run it (aka portable) > No need to install for TDF builds either. You would have to extract, which isnt simple for a regular user. >> 2) copying it on a usb and run it on any linux distro (atleast the minimum >> system tha

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-06-13 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Jay, *, On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Jay Philips wrote: > […] >> + unclear what the future holds here: Snap, FlatPack, AppImage (Michael) > > If its Libreoffice future, i believe AppImage will be it, as it provides > similar functionality as the portable version found on windows, like

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-06-09 Thread Jay Philips
Hi All, Sorry i wasnt able to attend today, so i guess i'll leave my comments by email. >  + unclear what the future holds here: Snap, FlatPack, AppImage (Michael) If its Libreoffice future, i believe AppImage will be it, as it provides similar functionality as the portable version found on

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2017-06-09 Thread Jay Philips
Hi Michael, >    The "just run the console and do chmod +x " that > I see on their front-page is (I suspect) rather a bit of a usability > nightmare ;-) at least initially vs. say an app-store. Some 'technical' > people I know are impressed by command-line use ;-) As you can set the executabl

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-06-09 Thread antonio . faccioli
Hi Michael, Jay, all Il 09.06.2017 10:59 Michael Meeks ha scritto: Hi Jay, On 09/06/17 00:10, Jay Philips wrote: + unclear what the future holds here: Snap, FlatPack, AppImage (Michael) If its Libreoffice future, i believe AppImage will be it, as it provides similar functionality as the port

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-06-09 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Jay, On 09/06/17 00:10, Jay Philips wrote: >> + unclear what the future holds here: Snap, FlatPack, AppImage >> (Michael) > > If its Libreoffice future, i believe AppImage will be it, as it > provides similar functionality as the portable version found on > windows, like > > 1) not having to

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-04-21 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Thu, 2017-04-20 at 20:08 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > > + Google / ossfuzz: 27 fuzzers active now >   - unfortunately, addition of the doc one tipped us over some > upstream build infrastructure space limit so builds broken > upstream until that's sorted out > h

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-03-02 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Michael Meeks wrote: > $ cd online > $ git log libreoffice-5-3-branch-point..origin/libreoffice-5-3 --oneline > | nl -> 43 > Does not seem to match reality: $ git merge-base origin/master origin/libreoffice-5-3 0f2e5ef3fe8d52a2f58afc6d8ac19046df155202 $ git log 0f2e5ef3fe8d52a2f58afc6d8ac19046d

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-03-02 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Thorsten, On 17/02/17 02:40, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > To expand a bit on that, very happy to say that Kopano > (https://kopano.com/) is sponsoring us to improve the stable TDF > branch of LibreOffice Online, which so far has not seen many > bugfixes. Curious; $ cd online $ git log li

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-02-16 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Michael Meeks wrote: > + online (Michael) > + online branch maintenance (Thorsten) > + wondering for 5.3 – what’s the policy ? > + not using gerrit much. > + customer wants to do stabilization & bug-fixing > - plan for one review in gerrit (Thorsten

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-01-13 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 04:41:44PM +0100, Alexander Thurgood wrote: > So, dropping make 3.8.1 on Mac would clearly push people not to build > with the XCode system provided tools ? Well, it is still GNU make. But yes in general, its suggested to work on LibreOffice in a well defined environme

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-01-09 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: > […] > * Release Engineering update (Christian) > + 5.2.5 RC1 schedule acceleration ? > + fixes for both regressions in 5.2 > + Markus’ fix may help a lot with lots of shutdown crashes. > + Xisco mailed QA guy

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-16 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:40:21PM +0100, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > To relay some stories from real life - there's _so_ much integration > with especially OpenOffice out there, coming from legacy systems, tons > of macro-ized applications, sometimes bespoke development with the > company simpl

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-16 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Björn, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > 1/ We unpublish all API > Ok so far - > 2/ We give UNO user an opportunity to ask for republishing specific parts of >the API, when they provide a reasonable use case and promise to be the >"client steward" for these. > This is where the plan breaks al

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-16 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 12:24:33PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > > - we (core devs) still retain the perogatibve to do the ultimate decisions > > on > > UNO API changes > > You know - I still really like having some area where people can work > without asking someone; I think having

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-16 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Bjoern, On 16/12/16 12:11, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > Maybe we should change the meaning of "published" then? Currently, "published" > means a onesided promise to each and eevery person on this planet -- people > that we have > no relation with at all -- that we will never ever change this API

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-16 Thread Tor Lillqvist
I have an even blunter suggestion: In a branch (branched off 5.2, for instance), we unpublish and rename all existing API. (For instance, s/com::sun::star/libreoffice/.) We make this very public, and make a test build available that contains it. And then we wait for reports what external software a

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-16 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 10:42:43AM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > Hmm ! ;-) My concern would be that removing the 'published' tag > everywhere would end up making it much harder to change all UNO APIs. > There is a spectrum of views on how conservative (or otherwise) we > should be around

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-16 Thread Michael Meeks
On 16/12/16 09:28, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 12:02:03PM +0100, Michael Stahl wrote: >> since the goal of the policy is "we can make incompatible changes >> whenever it doesn't affect any 3rd party extension or macro", the >> "published" tag is much less useful as guidance

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-16 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 12/16/2016 10:28 AM, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 12:02:03PM +0100, Michael Stahl wrote: since the goal of the policy is "we can make incompatible changes whenever it doesn't affect any 3rd party extension or macro", the "published" tag is much less useful as guidance tha

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-16 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 12:02:03PM +0100, Michael Stahl wrote: > since the goal of the policy is "we can make incompatible changes > whenever it doesn't affect any 3rd party extension or macro", the > "published" tag is much less useful as guidance than it may appear at > first glance. So, uhmm,

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-15 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Bjoern, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote on 15-12-16 19:10: > Yes, but the rationale was the extraordinary number of MM regressions we had > during the cleanup of the old (really horrible) code. That major cleanup is > finishe for the most part now, activity in the area is back to normal, so no > justi

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-15 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:19:54PM +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: > Michael Meeks wrote on 08-12-16 17:56: > > + Mail merge regressions: http://tdf.io/mmregressions > > + 4 open; 4 open last meeting (2 OSX, 1 Linux, 1 generic but hard > > repro) > > => drop from the QA s

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-15 Thread Cor Nouws
Michael Meeks wrote on 08-12-16 17:56: > + Mail merge regressions: http://tdf.io/mmregressions > + 4 open; 4 open last meeting (2 OSX, 1 Linux, 1 generic but hard > repro) > => drop from the QA section from now - always four. Counting 5 at the moment. -- Cor Nouws

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2016-12-11 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Michael Meeks wrote: > * TDF / Budgeting / Brainstorming (Thorsten) > + Idea generation: > + Community Building feature / fix / tooling > + Quality improvement tooling > + Hard / dull but necessary stuff not getting done > + Large missing features / function > +

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-11-25 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 11/25/2016 11:26 AM, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: FWIW, up to this point we made no distiction between how we handle published and unpublished interfaces. We don't? At least my impression is that we do take 'published' into consideration when making informed changes to the API. (Notwithstandi

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-11-25 Thread Michael Stahl
On 25.11.2016 11:26, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 07:02:17PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: >> Personally I think Markus' take - that we shouldn't be using UNO API >> for this internal stuff is spot-on - push the API problem to the edge: >> but others have different

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-11-25 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 07:02:17PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > Personally I think Markus' take - that we shouldn't be using UNO API > for this internal stuff is spot-on - push the API problem to the edge: > but others have different views =) FWIW, up to this point we made no distictio

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-11-25 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 11/24/2016 11:48 PM, Zolnai Tamás wrote: 2016-11-24 21:30 GMT+01:00 Thorsten Behrens : Michael Meeks wrote: On 24/11/16 18:34, Zolnai Tamás wrote: Can I have some code pointers from the last 5 years which shows when it is "absolutely necessary" to break compatibility? To see when it's accep

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-11-24 Thread Zolnai Tamás
2016-11-24 21:30 GMT+01:00 Thorsten Behrens : > Michael Meeks wrote: >> On 24/11/16 18:34, Zolnai Tamás wrote: >> > Can I have some code pointers from the last 5 years which shows when >> > it is "absolutely necessary" to break compatibility? To see when it's >> > acceptable to do such thing. >> >>

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-11-24 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Michael Meeks wrote: > On 24/11/16 18:34, Zolnai Tamás wrote: > > Can I have some code pointers from the last 5 years which shows when > > it is "absolutely necessary" to break compatibility? To see when it's > > acceptable to do such thing. > > I think its worth discussing it with the ESC i

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-11-24 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Michael Meeks wrote: > Personally I think Markus' take - that we shouldn't be using UNO API > for this internal stuff is spot-on - push the API problem to the > edge: > Yep. Can't think of an easy way for those silly property APIs, but for anything involving actual references to instances, us

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-11-24 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Tamás, On 24/11/16 18:34, Zolnai Tamás wrote: > Thanks for discussing this, even tough this discussion did not lead to change. Ah =) wait until Kendy has considered and implemented his magic solution here. > I have only one question for the future, if it ever comes into my mind > to i

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-09-22 Thread Michael Stahl
On 21.09.2016 17:28, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi Alexander, > > On Wednesday, 2016-09-21 12:22:49 +0200, Alexander Thurgood wrote: >>> NEW | devs | fix the bug >>> ASSIGNED | whoever is in assigned to | fix the bug [1] >>> REOPENED | devs | fi

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-09-21 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Alexander, On Wednesday, 2016-09-21 12:22:49 +0200, Alexander Thurgood wrote: > > NEW _should_ mean triaged for all matters. That it is not called the more > > This is where, in my experience with LO-QA, developer expectations and > QA/user actions do not always coincide. Some developers ask

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-09-21 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 20/09/2016 à 11:18, Bjoern Michaelsen a écrit : If I might interject my ha'pence-worth into the discussion : > NEW _should_ mean triaged for all matters. That it is not called the more This is where, in my experience with LO-QA, developer expectations and QA/user actions do not always coinci

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-09-20 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 12:55:59AM +0200, Áron Budea wrote: > > I think it would make sense to keep needAdvice keyword unrestricted from > states. > > Reasons: > - NEW doesn't always mean QA was able to reproduce the bug (if TRIAGED status > was in place, that would), see bug 101898 for exa

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-09-20 Thread Jan Iversen
> What is the workflow if I see a bug report that might be easy enough to be an > easy hack, but I have > zero knowledge about the underlying code? My ability to evaluate it stops > before the first action step > detailed in response to Problem 4. So, CC Jan and ask his opinion? Does any > keyw

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-09-20 Thread Áron Budea
Hi, On Monday, September 19, 2016 12:43 CEST, Xisco Fauli wrote: > - needAdvise: Used when help from developers in needed to confirm > an UNCONFIRMED bug. Info: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Keywords#needAdvice. > * Problem 1: Name is confusing. >

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-09-01 Thread Cor Nouws
Michael Meeks wrote on 01-09-16 18:02: > + bugs suggested for attention by Cor: Thanks for the flowers.. > tdf#62717, tdf#89760, tdf#92837, tdf#94319, tdf#97597 > + are they marked high prio. regressions ? (Michael) >+ had a look through the non-mentioned ones (Rob

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call: 2016-08-18

2016-08-19 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Thu, 2016-08-18 at 18:36 +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > * all bugs tagged with 'regression' >     + 688(+0) bugs open of 5090(+24) total 10(-1) high prio. > >     * ~Component   count net * high severity regressions >   Calc -  4 (+0) 74880, one of these calc bugs, r

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-07-28 Thread Markus Mohrhard
On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: > > * Windows XP deprecation for 5.2 story ? (Cloph) > + goal - to have the baseline be based on Windows Server 2016, and VS > 2015 > + unclear if builds created with this combination will run on WinXP > + Thorsten had a st

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-06-25 Thread V Stuart Foote
Markus Mohrhard wrote >> + Most Pressing Bugs: >> http://tdf.io/mostressingbugs >> + tdf#100295 - LibODev-5.2.0.0.b2 does not run in Windows_XP (32 >> or 64 bit) >> + Interest in fixing ? (or is this a 'feature' ?) >> + Tor - thinks a feature. >>

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-06-23 Thread Markus Mohrhard
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: > > > > + Most Pressing Bugs: > http://tdf.io/mostressingbugs > + tdf#100295 - LibODev-5.2.0.0.b2 does not run in Windows_XP (32 > or 64 bit) > + Interest in fixing ? (or is this a 'feature' ?) > +

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-06-03 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 06:46:39PM +0200, jan iversen wrote: > - To extend my nightly statistic script, to check new commits (probably > restricted to our code repo). > - For every commit If the delta between the last commit from the author and > this commit is more than 1Year, the script wi

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-04-23 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi all, Michael Meeks wrote on 21-04-16 18:29: > + Most Pressing Bugs: Some (..) meetings back this annoying Mac issue https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49853 was mentioned in the ESC. Which resulted in some good attention from regular and less frequent LibreOffice hackers

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-03-25 Thread Gülşah Köse
Hi Marc 2016-03-25 18:29 GMT+02:00 Marc Paré : > Hi, > > Le 2016-03-24 12:01, Michael Meeks a écrit : > >> * Hackfests (Bjoern) >> + next venues / suggestions >> + Ankara, Turkey >> +https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Ankara2016 >> + plan do an ov

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-11-30 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 11/29/2015 05:19 AM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: Linux dbgutil tinderbox has been mostly broken ... right now the score is 134-7-230 that is 134 success, 7 'unstable' (usually something wrong with jenkisn itself) and 230 failure... that is over the last 15 days... It is always JunitTest_sw_comp

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-11-28 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: > > * Jenkins / CI update (Norbert) > + please Linux Jenkins guys build with --enable-kde4 (Bubli) > + to prevent vcl build breakages Done on tb75/tb76. for tinderbox build but gandalf is resisting. someone interested in kde4 sup

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-11-26 Thread Michael Meeks
On Thu, 2015-11-26 at 19:03 +0100, Markus Mohrhard wrote: > please add a performance test that ensures that future refactorings > won't regress here. In general any patch claiming performance > improvements should be accompanied by a performance test to make sure Great idea =) and easy to

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-11-26 Thread Markus Mohrhard
Hey Michael, Keny, Eike, On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: > > + calc s/w interpreter-related patch > [ also got in before the freeze; an 18x speedup on CPU for > some test sheets; currently guarded by a variable - and >

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2015-11-19

2015-11-20 Thread Andras Timar
Hi, On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > * Release Engineering update (Cloph) > + 4.4.7 RC2 - due next week > + patches waiting for 4.4 and 4.4.7, please review until Monday I forgot to mention, that there is a patch of mine in the queue. https://gerrit.libreoffic

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-10-30 Thread jan i
On 30 October 2015 at 13:07, Bjoern Michaelsen < bjoern.michael...@canonical.com> wrote: > Hi Xisco, > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 09:55:57AM +0100, Xisco Faulí wrote: > > > * Hackfests (Bjoern) > > > + Could we join the GNOME hack-fest in Madrid ? (Bjoern) > > I'm currently living in Madrid and

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-10-30 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Xisco, On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 09:55:57AM +0100, Xisco Faulí wrote: > > * Hackfests (Bjoern) > > + Could we join the GNOME hack-fest in Madrid ? (Bjoern) > I'm currently living in Madrid and I'd like to attempt the meeting. It goes > without saying that I can give a hand on the field if hel

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-10-30 Thread Xisco Faulí
> > * Hackfests (Bjoern) > + Could we join the GNOME hack-fest in Madrid ? (Bjoern) > + booked a room. > + if they get 5x more LibreOffice hackers - would be good. > + 3x confirmed people: Bubli, JanI, Bjoern. > + volunteers are invited. > + may a

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2015-07-30

2015-08-12 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi all, Jan Holesovsky wrote on 01-08-15 02:43: > + !!!please file easy hacks if you have ideas!!! (Bjoern) For ideas, query with "needsDevEval" in Whiteboard. At least part of those could be good candidates. Thanks, -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2015-07-30

2015-08-02 Thread Markus Mohrhard
Hey, On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Markus Mohrhard > wrote: > > > >> AI: + will have a look at the CppUnit to implement 'expected > failure' > >> (Jan-Marek) > >> + Cpp logs are e.g. in > >> workdir/CppunitTest/sal_rtl

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2015-07-30

2015-08-02 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Sun, Aug 02, 2015 at 06:25:05PM +0200, Markus Mohrhard wrote: > That is already possible with cppunit. Instead of using CPPUNIT_TEST use > CPPUNIT_TEST_FAIL which tells cppunit that the test is expected to fail > with a cppunit exception being thrown (it is extensively used in the > cppunit

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2015-07-30

2015-08-02 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Markus Mohrhard wrote: >> AI: + will have a look at the CppUnit to implement 'expected failure' >> (Jan-Marek) >> + Cpp logs are e.g. in >> workdir/CppunitTest/sal_rtl_math.test.log > > > > That is already possible with cppunit. Instead of using C

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2015-07-30

2015-08-02 Thread Markus Mohrhard
> > * Areas that require unit tests with each bugfix (Markus/???) > + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Unit_Tests > + updated the page with the areas where tests for fixes are > mandatory (Kendy) > + so far: chart2, writer filters (import + export) > + do

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-06-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 06:04:04PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > + request more KDE testers ... (Bubli) > + KDE in rather a sorry state -> a month to reproduce a bug. > + none of the tinderboxes build with KDE vclplug support. > + F19 tinderbox can build with th

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-04-09 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Michael, *, On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: > > AI: + mail Michael a new shortened bibisected bugs link (Cloph) > [...] > + > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&f1=status_whiteb

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-03-19 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: > > * Tinderbox functionality stats (Norbert) > + what %age of time is green for each platform ? Here are the precise stats for the past 2 weeks: Job name#-Successful#-Failed#-Total Builds-Failure Rate lo_gerrit_master-101-140-241-58.09%

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-03-16 Thread Cor Nouws
Michael Meeks wrote on 12-03-15 17:19: > + please file an Easy-Hack this week: just a bug with whiteboard: (All) > + http://bit.ly/1KR4HWX Those looking for ideas: pls query for needDevEval/needsDevEval @Whiteboard. > * GSoC (Cedric/Thorsten) > ... > + more id

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ... - correction ...

2014-11-04 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 6:29 AM, Kohei Yoshida wrote: > > And also, my comment was never meant as a criticism of "someone not > doing the job". It was rather a simple piece of feedback that I hoped > would be useful for future hackfest planning. > > So, let's not take this as a "failure" please.

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ... - correction ...

2014-11-04 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Tue, 2014-11-04 at 11:38 +, Michael Meeks wrote: > On Thu, 2014-10-30 at 16:39 +, Michael Meeks wrote: > > * Seattle Hackfest (Robinson/Norbert) > ... > > + badly need ways to stop 'building' consuming the hack-fest (Michael) > > + or a way to keep hand-holding after the hack

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