Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Template manager issues pending
Hi all, Thanks for the ideas / proposals. Here few additions from me: Cedric Bosdonnat wrote (13-05-13 09:50) Hi Mirek, Michel, On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 10:47 +0200, Mirek M. wrote: 60589 - [Template manager]: Can not copy styles between different files and templates [...] Given that I wasn't in favor of the shift in focus to organizing templates rather than creating new documents from templates, For me that also was a rather unexpected move in the process: I did not understand before that also the menu File > Template and the sub menus with the various functions were to be removed. But that's history. I'm not the best person to design for the dialog. Still I find this design from you :) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Copying_Styles_from_Templates thanks! - I've added a description of the situation pre 4.0 Which is useful to consider proposals for the needed new situation Also I added some ideas for - the design by Mirek - the places where this dialog may be used, 61396 - FILEOPEN: [Template Manager]Possibility to edit a template that is not in the repository, is lacking I saw a comment with the proposal : "when a user does "Open" from the "File" menu and selects a template, then LO should open the template" ; instead of creating a new file from the template". It seems to be a coherent behavior : the user selects the command "open" so LO must open. When the user selects "new from template", then LO must create a new file from a template. Sounds good. If everyone agrees on that, then it should be pretty quick to fix. Could work, but would _introduce_ the opposite problem, that a user cannot start a new file from a template that is not in the template repository... Currently, I do not see a way out without adding a (visual) option to the file open dialog.. (as discussed in another thread). Alternatively, I did thought of making the Edit button in the new dialog having a submenu, where you can choose "Edit other template" or something. Little problem there: the Edit button is only active when a template is selected.. But maybe there is a solution? If you really want to prevent modification of bad file, maybe add an dialog asking confirmation : "Do you really want to open the template 'test.ott' ? or create a new file from this template ?" Perhaps an infobar might be better? Yes, InfoBar is the thing to use here. That would indeed be needed to prevent unwanted editing of a file. Do not forget that a. many people do not get/notice the difference between .ott and .odt and b. file managers depending on settings hide extensions (but honestly I did not check how it looks on WIndows with that option checked for the Explorer.) But I wrote _would_ be needed. As written further above: I don think alas that it is a solution. 59427 - [Template Manager] low discoverability of new template manager - we could use "File → Organize templates" menu >> I agree Still on the todo-list, sadly didn't manage to come to it. What are your ideas? I find this a nasty problem to solve. One could think of: File > Template > Save (exists in 4.0 in different wording) File > Template > Edit/Magage but then the latter would simply open the new File from template dialog? Cheers, Cor -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - www.librelex.org ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Template manager issues pending
Hi Rafael, Rafael Dominguez wrote (11-05-13 00:28) Well i dont have that much free time to spend on libreoffice sadly, just We find that sad too ;) a few hours here and there so my progress on fixing and improving the template manager is kinda slow. About the dialog so far theres no design or talk about copying and handling styles. Any ideas for the style functionality?? See the other mails. Im currently working on bug 61396 (Editing a template outside of the repository), Ah, only now (after the other mail) see this. I think (see the other mail) that it would indeed be needed to have that one. So useful work :) only managed to add the checkbox option to the gtk+, kde4 and native dialogs, still pending the windows one and mac, but i dont have access to a mac, so its hard to work on that one. Joren - also in cc here - does have and does some useful patches now and then. No idea if he would be able and willing... just posting the hint ;) Thanks a lot for your work! Cor -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - www.librelex.org ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Template manager issues pending
Cor Nouws schreef op 20/05/13 01:39: only managed to add the checkbox option to the gtk+, kde4 and native dialogs, still pending the windows one and mac, but i dont have access to a mac, so its hard to work on that one. Joren - also in cc here - does have and does some useful patches now and then. No idea if he would be able and willing... just posting the hint ;) Willing to help: SURE! Able to help ... mmh, I don't know :-). At least I can test on Mac if new patches comes out (or if you have a draft patch I can verify/test it on mac. I'm not sure I can develop something for mac (without bugging other devs to help me out :) ). So please tell me where I can be of any help in this project/task. Kind regards, Joren PS: I have a Mac OSX 10.8.3 if that is relavant for testing patches. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Template manager issues pending
Cor Nouws wrote (20-05-13 01:39) only managed to add the checkbox option to the gtk+, kde4 and native dialogs, still pending the windows one and mac, but i dont have access to a mac, so its hard to work on that one. Joren - also in cc here - does have and does some useful patches now and then. No idea if he would be able and willing... just posting the hint ;) Another idea - by far the simplest, but less elegant - When a user opens a template, give a popup ( :D ) You choose a template Do you want a new file from that template or edit the template ? [[ New document ]] [ Edit template ] New document = default Ideas? -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - www.librelex.org ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Template manager issues pending
Joren wrote (20-05-13 02:00) Willing to help: SURE! Able to help ... mmh, I don't know :-). At least I can test on Mac if new patches comes out (or if you have a draft patch I can verify/test it on mac. I'm not sure I can develop something for mac (without bugging other devs to help me out :) ). So please tell me where I can be of any help in this project/task. It's about _adding_ a checkbox to the File > Open dialog. But Rafael knows more about it. -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - www.librelex.org ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Template manager issues pending
I did the rest of them already, ill push it tomorrow and ill send you a msg after, so you can test it. On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: > Joren wrote (20-05-13 02:00) > > > Willing to help: SURE! Able to help ... mmh, I don't know :-). At least >> I can test on Mac if new patches comes out (or if you have a draft patch >> I can verify/test it on mac. I'm not sure I can develop something for >> mac (without bugging other devs to help me out :) ). >> >> So please tell me where I can be of any help in this project/task. >> > > It's about _adding_ a checkbox to the File > Open dialog. > But Rafael knows more about it. > > > > -- > - Cor > - http://nl.libreoffice.org > - www.librelex.org > > ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Template manager issues pending
Rafael Dominguez wrote (20-05-13 04:05) I did the rest of them already, ill push it tomorrow and ill send you a msg after, so you can test it. Wow :) thanks a lot! -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - www.librelex.org ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
