RE: [LIB] speed gain using flash card
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:14:48 +0100 From: Avi Cohen Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] speed gain using flash card John, I've read a lot about Flash instead of a 'real' HD. How does the Sandisk handle the write wear-out? What are you running as an OS on the libretto? Avi. -Original Message- From: John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 26 October, 2007 20:49 To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] speed gain using flash card Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:46:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: speed gain using flash card Hello fellow members I am using a sandisk extreme II 8 gig compact flash as a solid state hard drive in my Libretto 110CT and am having twice the speed for read and writes as I was getting with a standard hard drive. The extreme III and IV are opproximatly twice and three times as fast as the II so if I would get another increase if I upgraded to one of those. I am getting 4 MB as opposed to 1.5 to 2 with the hard drive. I should expect 6 and 8MB with the extreme III and IV. I am also using a second flash card for a virtual memory drive but it is an old one so only gives hard drive speeds. If I updated that with a newer one I would think the increase in speed be noticalbe in swap file use. I notice a real reduction in temperature also using a solid state drive. My libretto was always having to slow down to cool off but it is very cool now when it runs. john __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:32:18 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card I was wondering how any of this applied to earlier Librettos. I have a 70ct, and have finally been able to get DOS to recognize the L's PCMCIA slot (no matter what card services I used, all failed until I found Phoenix Card Manager 3.2, which will recognize even today's CF card.) I run Windows 95B on the 70ct on its standard 1.6gb drive and find it loads fast and stays stable. Is it worth it to try and go solid-state with one of the cards John is recommending? Or is this procedure for the big boy Librettos, not their dumb kid brothers :) ? Jake ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
RE: [LIB] speed gain using flash card
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:50:15 -0700 (PDT) From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] speed gain using flash card Hello Avi Its a lot of work. Basically I matched the ram upgrade module port to a standard 144 so-dimm pinout. So I believe a standard 60ns sodimm module can be used to increase ram. So I have a old 32MB libretto module. What I am doing is first removing the chips an the board then connecting so-dimm sockets to the module using 32 gauge stranded wire. I am soldering the wire to where the chips were soldered and to the socket itself if need be. Once that is done I am going to run the socket into the hard drive bay and fix it to the side. the pinout for the libretto ram port is in the Libretto 100 maintanence manual. john --- Avi Cohen Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:01:26 +0100 From: Avi Cohen Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] speed gain using flash card John, I am very interested in the technical details on the 64MB libretto upgrade. I don't mind to experiment but currently don't have a clue to do what... Avi. -Original Message- From: John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 29 October, 2007 0:03 To: Libretto Subject: Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:01:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card --- Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:51:48 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card Hello Philip : snip getting with a standard hard drive. The extreme III and IV are opproximatly twice and three times as fast as the II so if I would get another increase if I upgraded to one of those. I am getting 4 MB as opposed to 1.5 to 2 with the hard drive. I should expect 6 and 8MB with the extreme III and IV. AFAIK (based on a vague reminiscence and a google search) the theoretical maximum data transfer speed on an ISA bus is about 6 MB/s. As the Lib110's HD is attached through a 16 bit ISA connection (without DMA), that 6 MB/s is about all you'll get. Or am I wrong here? (hopefully not, for your sake) I knew there was some sort of limit, I thought it was 32 MB/s about half of the memory subsystem. But that could be the pci limit. I am also using a second flash card for a virtual memory drive but it is an old one so only gives hard drive speeds. If I updated that with a newer one I would think the increase in speed be noticalbe in swap file use. How did you connect that 2nd one? thru the PCMCIA slot? Yes. I remember I found an external -PCMCIA, or rather, Cardbus- HD to be clearly faster than the internal one (I had a 7200 rpm Hitachi inside). There was also a thread on this in the mailing list. the differance is in the clock speeds, ISA is slower than PCI. I notice a real reduction in temperature also using a solid state drive. My libretto was always having to slow down to cool off but it is very cool now when it runs. Anyway it all sounds like a bright idea to me. Thanks. I like it so much because the libretto is perfectly silent when it runs now too!! Any idea about battery power savings using flash rather than rotating storage? I don't think there is much differance, my libby reports about 5 1/2 hours usually but I notice I don't have to plug in the adapter now until I am ready to shut down. It kinda did that before but not so routinely. Battery life is so dependant on what a person is doing. Where I really notice a differance is in spin up times. There are none, with a hard drive spin up times were very noticeable. Sometimes I feel a bit sorry to have decommissioned my L110; it merely serves as a sort of book stand, right on top of a What do you use in place of it? I tried the U100 but it fried like twice on me. It was a piece of junk. They run too hot and Toshiba doesn't cover them under warrenty. My 110 keeps plugging along no matter what:). much older DEC 450SLC/e notebook (with a 50 Mhz 486-DX2 inside - wow). Sometimes I start them up just for fun, like today when the clocks in my place must be reset to winter time. BTW have you ever had any luck upgrading the RAM beyond 64 MB? (I remember you were busy with that). There were some guys who have fitted And still am:). I am fitting a wire buss to an old libretto 32MB ram upgrade board. I am going to solder the buss to a couple, maybe three, of so-dimm sockets. I am going to run the so-dimm sockets into the hard drive bay, where I have room now (I was just waiting until compact flash capacity got
RE: [LIB] speed gain using flash card
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:57:17 -0700 (PDT) From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] speed gain using flash card hello Avi The cards do wear leveling so they wear evenly. I am dual booting Slackware Linux and MS-DOS 7 on mine. I use Star Office, Mplayer, and Madplay mainly. john --- Avi Cohen Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:14:48 +0100 From: Avi Cohen Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] speed gain using flash card John, I've read a lot about Flash instead of a 'real' HD. How does the Sandisk handle the write wear-out? What are you running as an OS on the libretto? Avi. -Original Message- From: John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 26 October, 2007 20:49 To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] speed gain using flash card Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:46:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: speed gain using flash card Hello fellow members I am using a sandisk extreme II 8 gig compact flash as a solid state hard drive in my Libretto 110CT and am having twice the speed for read and writes as I was getting with a standard hard drive. The extreme III and IV are opproximatly twice and three times as fast as the II so if I would get another increase if I upgraded to one of those. I am getting 4 MB as opposed to 1.5 to 2 with the hard drive. I should expect 6 and 8MB with the extreme III and IV. I am also using a second flash card for a virtual memory drive but it is an old one so only gives hard drive speeds. If I updated that with a newer one I would think the increase in speed be noticalbe in swap file use. I notice a real reduction in temperature also using a solid state drive. My libretto was always having to slow down to cool off but it is very cool now when it runs. john __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:08:13 -0700 (PDT) From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card The main problem a solid state drive helps is the heat issue when using a hard drive besides speed. I would think it would work great on a 70 and since you install in the IDE port you only need drivers if you wanted to use the secondary drive as virtual memory. One thing, virtual memory is supposed to be run from a secondary disk anyway utherwise it doesn't really work well. The Sandisk Extreme IV is supposed to have write speeds of 40MB/s so even if we get only half that it is close to 1/3 of the RAM system which is 60MB/s that is pretty fast. john --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:32:18 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card I was wondering how any of this applied to earlier Librettos. I have a 70ct, and have finally been able to get DOS to recognize the L's PCMCIA slot (no matter what card services I used, all failed until I found Phoenix Card Manager 3.2, which will recognize even today's CF card.) I run Windows 95B on the 70ct on its standard 1.6gb drive and find it loads fast and stays stable. Is it worth it to try and go solid-state with one of the cards John is recommending? Or is this procedure for the big boy Librettos, not their dumb kid brothers :) ? Jake ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:50:56 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card John wrote: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:01:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card --- Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:51:48 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card long snip Sometimes I feel a bit sorry to have decommissioned my L110; it merely serves as a sort of book stand, right on top of a What do you use in place of it? I tried the U100 but JVC MP/XP741 http://home.hccnet.nl/pr.nienhuis/jvc/JVC-main.html I use this for real work (number crunching etc virtualisation), a Lib with just 64 MB RAM simply lacks power for that. At its time my Lib110 served very well nevertheless. I like it still. P.
Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:51:48 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card Hi John: John wrote: Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:46:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: speed gain using flash card Hello fellow members I am using a sandisk extreme II 8 gig compact flash as a solid state hard drive in my Libretto 110CT and am having twice the speed for read and writes as I was Good idea getting with a standard hard drive. The extreme III and IV are opproximatly twice and three times as fast as the II so if I would get another increase if I upgraded to one of those. I am getting 4 MB as opposed to 1.5 to 2 with the hard drive. I should expect 6 and 8MB with the extreme III and IV. AFAIK (based on a vague reminiscence and a google search) the theoretical maximum data transfer speed on an ISA bus is about 6 MB/s. As the Lib110's HD is attached through a 16 bit ISA connection (without DMA), that 6 MB/s is about all you'll get. Or am I wrong here? (hopefully not, for your sake) I am also using a second flash card for a virtual memory drive but it is an old one so only gives hard drive speeds. If I updated that with a newer one I would think the increase in speed be noticalbe in swap file use. How did you connect that 2nd one? thru the PCMCIA slot? I remember I found an external -PCMCIA, or rather, Cardbus- HD to be clearly faster than the internal one (I had a 7200 rpm Hitachi inside). There was also a thread on this in the mailing list. I notice a real reduction in temperature also using a solid state drive. My libretto was always having to slow down to cool off but it is very cool now when it runs. Anyway it all sounds like a bright idea to me. Any idea about battery power savings using flash rather than rotating storage? Sometimes I feel a bit sorry to have decommissioned my L110; it merely serves as a sort of book stand, right on top of a much older DEC 450SLC/e notebook (with a 50 Mhz 486-DX2 inside - wow). Sometimes I start them up just for fun, like today when the clocks in my place must be reset to winter time. BTW have you ever had any luck upgrading the RAM beyond 64 MB? (I remember you were busy with that). There were some guys who have fitted a Portege 64 MB module in the extension slot to get 96 MB; that was the max I've ever heard of w.r.t. Lib110. Best wishes, Philip
Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:01:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card --- Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:51:48 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card Hello Philip : snip getting with a standard hard drive. The extreme III and IV are opproximatly twice and three times as fast as the II so if I would get another increase if I upgraded to one of those. I am getting 4 MB as opposed to 1.5 to 2 with the hard drive. I should expect 6 and 8MB with the extreme III and IV. AFAIK (based on a vague reminiscence and a google search) the theoretical maximum data transfer speed on an ISA bus is about 6 MB/s. As the Lib110's HD is attached through a 16 bit ISA connection (without DMA), that 6 MB/s is about all you'll get. Or am I wrong here? (hopefully not, for your sake) I knew there was some sort of limit, I thought it was 32 MB/s about half of the memory subsystem. But that could be the pci limit. I am also using a second flash card for a virtual memory drive but it is an old one so only gives hard drive speeds. If I updated that with a newer one I would think the increase in speed be noticalbe in swap file use. How did you connect that 2nd one? thru the PCMCIA slot? Yes. I remember I found an external -PCMCIA, or rather, Cardbus- HD to be clearly faster than the internal one (I had a 7200 rpm Hitachi inside). There was also a thread on this in the mailing list. the differance is in the clock speeds, ISA is slower than PCI. I notice a real reduction in temperature also using a solid state drive. My libretto was always having to slow down to cool off but it is very cool now when it runs. Anyway it all sounds like a bright idea to me. Thanks. I like it so much because the libretto is perfectly silent when it runs now too!! Any idea about battery power savings using flash rather than rotating storage? I don't think there is much differance, my libby reports about 5 1/2 hours usually but I notice I don't have to plug in the adapter now until I am ready to shut down. It kinda did that before but not so routinely. Battery life is so dependant on what a person is doing. Where I really notice a differance is in spin up times. There are none, with a hard drive spin up times were very noticeable. Sometimes I feel a bit sorry to have decommissioned my L110; it merely serves as a sort of book stand, right on top of a What do you use in place of it? I tried the U100 but it fried like twice on me. It was a piece of junk. They run too hot and Toshiba doesn't cover them under warrenty. My 110 keeps plugging along no matter what:). much older DEC 450SLC/e notebook (with a 50 Mhz 486-DX2 inside - wow). Sometimes I start them up just for fun, like today when the clocks in my place must be reset to winter time. BTW have you ever had any luck upgrading the RAM beyond 64 MB? (I remember you were busy with that). There were some guys who have fitted And still am:). I am fitting a wire buss to an old libretto 32MB ram upgrade board. I am going to solder the buss to a couple, maybe three, of so-dimm sockets. I am going to run the so-dimm sockets into the hard drive bay, where I have room now (I was just waiting until compact flash capacity got large enough to use as a hard drive so I could try this and have space inside the libretto), and try using standard so-dimm edo plug-in modules. It is slow going because I don't have anywhere to work and lack tools. I don't think I'll have to remove the soldered chips on the motherboard. I have also been thinking of installing a sdram controller and use sdram but all of that is very hard to do since all I have is the memory upgrade port to use for access. The hard drive bay is a great place for all kinds of fun!! a Portege 64 MB module in the extension slot to get 96 MB; that was the max I've ever heard of w.r.t. Lib110. Yes I remember the upgrade. I am sure the libretto can handle ram up to, at least, 512MB and 8 socketed modules. john Best wishes, Philip __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [LIB] speed gain using flash card
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:01:26 +0100 From: Avi Cohen Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] speed gain using flash card John, I am very interested in the technical details on the 64MB libretto upgrade. I don't mind to experiment but currently don't have a clue to do what... Avi. -Original Message- From: John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 29 October, 2007 0:03 To: Libretto Subject: Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:01:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card --- Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:51:48 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] speed gain using flash card Hello Philip : snip getting with a standard hard drive. The extreme III and IV are opproximatly twice and three times as fast as the II so if I would get another increase if I upgraded to one of those. I am getting 4 MB as opposed to 1.5 to 2 with the hard drive. I should expect 6 and 8MB with the extreme III and IV. AFAIK (based on a vague reminiscence and a google search) the theoretical maximum data transfer speed on an ISA bus is about 6 MB/s. As the Lib110's HD is attached through a 16 bit ISA connection (without DMA), that 6 MB/s is about all you'll get. Or am I wrong here? (hopefully not, for your sake) I knew there was some sort of limit, I thought it was 32 MB/s about half of the memory subsystem. But that could be the pci limit. I am also using a second flash card for a virtual memory drive but it is an old one so only gives hard drive speeds. If I updated that with a newer one I would think the increase in speed be noticalbe in swap file use. How did you connect that 2nd one? thru the PCMCIA slot? Yes. I remember I found an external -PCMCIA, or rather, Cardbus- HD to be clearly faster than the internal one (I had a 7200 rpm Hitachi inside). There was also a thread on this in the mailing list. the differance is in the clock speeds, ISA is slower than PCI. I notice a real reduction in temperature also using a solid state drive. My libretto was always having to slow down to cool off but it is very cool now when it runs. Anyway it all sounds like a bright idea to me. Thanks. I like it so much because the libretto is perfectly silent when it runs now too!! Any idea about battery power savings using flash rather than rotating storage? I don't think there is much differance, my libby reports about 5 1/2 hours usually but I notice I don't have to plug in the adapter now until I am ready to shut down. It kinda did that before but not so routinely. Battery life is so dependant on what a person is doing. Where I really notice a differance is in spin up times. There are none, with a hard drive spin up times were very noticeable. Sometimes I feel a bit sorry to have decommissioned my L110; it merely serves as a sort of book stand, right on top of a What do you use in place of it? I tried the U100 but it fried like twice on me. It was a piece of junk. They run too hot and Toshiba doesn't cover them under warrenty. My 110 keeps plugging along no matter what:). much older DEC 450SLC/e notebook (with a 50 Mhz 486-DX2 inside - wow). Sometimes I start them up just for fun, like today when the clocks in my place must be reset to winter time. BTW have you ever had any luck upgrading the RAM beyond 64 MB? (I remember you were busy with that). There were some guys who have fitted And still am:). I am fitting a wire buss to an old libretto 32MB ram upgrade board. I am going to solder the buss to a couple, maybe three, of so-dimm sockets. I am going to run the so-dimm sockets into the hard drive bay, where I have room now (I was just waiting until compact flash capacity got large enough to use as a hard drive so I could try this and have space inside the libretto), and try using standard so-dimm edo plug-in modules. It is slow going because I don't have anywhere to work and lack tools. I don't think I'll have to remove the soldered chips on the motherboard. I have also been thinking of installing a sdram controller and use sdram but all of that is very hard to do since all I have is the memory upgrade port to use for access. The hard drive bay is a great place for all kinds of fun!! a Portege 64 MB module in the extension slot to get 96 MB; that was the max I've ever heard of w.r.t. Lib110. Yes I remember the upgrade. I am sure the libretto can handle ram up to, at least, 512MB and 8 socketed modules. john Best wishes, Philip __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http
