Re: [License-discuss] I've been asked to license my open source project CC0

2017-11-07 Thread David Woolley
On 07/11/17 17:09, Shahar Or wrote: Is there good reason for this request, at all? I mean, can they not otherwise depend on my software, if their software is CC0 licensed? When I conveyed my reluctance it was suggested that I dual-license. Dual licensing is pointless, as CC0 is always more

Re: [License-discuss] Is Sun Identity Manager (Oracle Waveset) Open Source compliant ?

2017-08-11 Thread David Woolley
On 11/08/17 09:33, Ilona A.M. Fleck wrote: I am posting this question in the assumption that there is a register of all products which are compliant. There is a list of approved licenses, not of approved products. Vetting products for compliance with upstream licences would not be possible

Re: [License-discuss] New maintainer, changing license?

2017-07-29 Thread David Woolley
On 29/07/17 10:27, Johnny A. Solbu wrote: The copyright holder stopped working on the project in 2005. I am continuing the development, but do not have the copyright. You should get the copyright owner to assign copyright to you, as, currently, no-one is able to enforce the licence except for

Re: [License-discuss] New maintainer, changing license?

2017-07-29 Thread David Woolley
On 29/07/17 09:38, Johnny A. Solbu wrote: I am the new upstream maintainer of the cd ripper Grip What do you mean by the maintainer? If you are the actual copyright owner, you can distribute it under any licence you like, as long as you continue to honour requests to supply the source code

Re: [License-discuss] patent rights and the OSD

2017-03-07 Thread David Woolley
On 07/03/17 13:30, Christopher Sean Morrison wrote: It left me blinking too. Which OSD clause requires the distribution terms to permit use? I believe that position here is that OSD only covers copyright licensing and that US copyright law gives permission to use software (for copyright

Re: [License-discuss] OSI equivalent

2017-02-15 Thread David Woolley
On 15/02/17 16:58, Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US) wrote: Does OSI have a license compatibility chart for the various approved licenses? I would have thought that any such document would constitute legal advice, which is illegal for half the list members to provide, and the other

Re: [License-discuss] step by step interpretation of common permissive licenses

2017-01-27 Thread David Woolley
On 18/01/17 15:26, John Cowan wrote: Pace David Woolley, it is not only the *changes* but the *entire* derivative work of which you are the copyright owner. Of course you cannot prevent the making of other derivative works under license from the original author. That doesn't seem to be the US

Re: [License-discuss] step by step interpretation of common permissive licenses

2017-01-18 Thread David Woolley
On 17/01/17 16:44, Massimo Zaniboni wrote: every change to A made by B is automatically owned by B author, thanks to Berne Convention Not entirely true. Only significant changes are owned by B. De minis and obvious changes don't attract an independent copyright. More generally on this

Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business

2016-11-28 Thread David Woolley
On 28/11/16 10:23, FREJAVILLE Etienne wrote: Second, I would like to understand what 'distribution' stands for. Giving the software to your customer constitutes distribution, and will generally trigger any rights they have under the open source licence.

Re: [License-discuss] Creative Commons vs private content

2016-10-21 Thread David Woolley
On 21/10/16 13:47, Stephen Paul Weber wrote: Any license that divides the world into groups of "these people may see this work, but those other people may not" That doesn't even sound like the job for a license, but for a privacy policy / terms of use. Licenses are terms of use!

Re: [License-discuss] Source-attribution licenses and Javascript compatibility

2016-05-29 Thread David Woolley
On 20/05/16 03:06, Andi McClure wrote: "For purposes of the above license, 'source' is defined as the preferred form for making modifications to the code. In other words, minified Javascript which is not intended to be modified does not count as a 'source distribution'." …and if I included

Re: [License-discuss] BSD 3-clause and copyright notices

2015-10-02 Thread David Woolley
On 02/10/15 10:22, Gervase Markham wrote: * Pick a project license which does not require attribution (that basically means a Public Domain dedication); or Public domain dedication is impossible in Europe. There is some doubt as whether it is even possible in the USA. The nearest you would

Re: [License-discuss] Category B licenses at Apache

2015-08-26 Thread David Woolley
On 26/08/15 01:45, Tzeng, Nigel H. wrote: Larry, Scenario A: I’m looking for an example in my codebase on how to do Foo (of course) and I find a code snippet to do roughly what I want. I cut and paste it into where I need it, modify it slightly and move on. Developers do this all the time.

Re: [License-discuss] Option to fall back from GPL to ASL

2015-08-26 Thread David Woolley
On 25/08/15 22:26, Richard Eckart de Castilho wrote: The vendors of BAR also offer a commercial license for BAR. If somebody buys that license, we want them to be able to use FOO under the commercial-friendly ASL terms without having to give them any extra permission. Right now, those people

Re: [License-discuss] Syntax for AUTHORS.txt

2015-08-22 Thread David Woolley
On 22/08/15 17:00, Nuno Brito wrote: Is there something else missing to be considered or included? Country. This can affect the copyright regime that applies to that author. ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org

Re: [License-discuss] Fwd: Question regarding GNU Terms of use

2015-06-18 Thread David Woolley
On 18/06/15 14:42, Kevin Fleming wrote: In that situation, the person who produced the new work will *not* be able to restrict copy, use, sale, etc. of the new work, since it is a derived work of the GPL- and/or MIT-licensed original works. The combined work's license will necessarily need to be

Re: [License-discuss] Fwd: Question regarding GNU Terms of use

2015-06-18 Thread David Woolley
On 18/06/15 13:27, Riccardo Ciullo wrote: I am writing to you because I have a doubt regarding GNU/MIT terms of use, which I hope you can clarify: what happens if someone creates a _new system_ by using a _combination_ of (more than one) existing softwares covered by the GNU/MIT public

Re: [License-discuss] Shortest copyleft licence

2015-04-01 Thread David Woolley
On 01/04/15 22:17, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting David Woolley (for...@david-woolley.me.uk): A significant number of postings on this list are from people who are trying to interpret GPL in a way that would be inconsistent with any CC-like summary of it. Those people would still try to find

Re: [License-discuss] Shortest copyleft licence

2015-04-01 Thread David Woolley
On 01/04/15 18:32, Tzeng, Nigel H. wrote: Have I read all the legalese behind the CC licenses? No. I trust the brand and while I have perused some just as a sanity check I also realize that I¹m not a lawyer and I would miss the nuances anyway. So I depend that the CC organization has put

Re: [License-discuss] Shortest copyleft licence

2015-04-01 Thread David Woolley
On 01/04/15 15:37, Tzeng, Nigel H. wrote: CC-BY-SA Sufficiently apolitical for me without manifestos, widely accepted and used. It gets political by the second word of the full form of CC! Common ownership of intellectual property is definitely a political goal. A more complete manifesto

Re: [License-discuss] Reverse Engineering and Open Source Licenses

2015-03-10 Thread David Woolley
On 10/03/15 23:53, John Cowan wrote: You didn't buy the software. You bought a piece of hardware with a single copy. By that definition, I don't buy books either, but that turns out not to be the case. You can buy a book (i.e. hardware consisting of paper and ink), but you can't buy the

Re: [License-discuss] [FTF-Legal] Reverse Engineering and Open Source Licenses

2015-03-06 Thread David Woolley
On 06/03/15 09:09, Reincke, Karsten wrote: Why do I only say ‘very similar’ instead of ‘equal’. The problem with your summary is this: you do not talk about the license text! Your term “combined work” DOES NOT OCOUR in The problem with your approach is that you do not talk about the spirit

Re: [License-discuss] Reverse Engineering and Open Source Licenses

2015-03-04 Thread David Woolley
On 04/03/15 15:16, Reincke, Karsten wrote: In the past I was involved in some full discussions concerning the issue ‘reverse engineering and open source licenses’. Although personally esteeming and inspiring, such discussions sometimes became a bit explosive: If – at least – the LGPL-v2 indeed

Re: [License-discuss] 3-clause BSD with additional clause forbidding key disclosure

2015-02-05 Thread David Woolley
On 05/02/15 11:27, Simon Phipps wrote: Surely this is a matter to handle via a 1:1 contract with your customer? I have doubts that the additional restriction you are proposing is OSD-compliant. In fact, the current wording seems to share a problem with software patents, in that you can

Re: [License-discuss] Does this look like an open source license?

2015-01-25 Thread David Woolley
On 25/01/15 07:47, Maxthon Chan wrote: This lead me to create two thing: a 3c-BSD equivalent in simple English, and a 3c-BSD equivalent in Chinese (under law of Mainland China). This sounds like a recipe for licence proliferation. Note you can only do this if you own all the copyrights.

Re: [License-discuss] Does this look like an open source license?

2015-01-23 Thread David Woolley
On 23/01/15 01:09, ChanMaxthon wrote: I was once using straight 3c-BSDL but one incident (I am not from an Anglophone country) proved to me that it's language is too complex in local courts. Now I am sort of forced into creating a functional equivalent using only simple English (definition:

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry on CLAs

2015-01-20 Thread David Woolley
On 20/01/15 19:48, Engel Nyst wrote: Please do, though. It's worse to practically state that using an OSI approved license(s) doesn't seem to give the permissions necessary, within the bounds of the license, for anyone to combine one's project from different sources and distribute it. One of

Re: [License-discuss] BSD license, source distributions and interpretations of retain

2015-01-10 Thread David Woolley
On 10/01/15 18:16, Michael Bradley wrote: Now suppose Project B’s source code is derived from Project A’s source code, but the maintainer of Project B wishes to use a different license. In an effort to avoid confusion, Project B has that different license text at the head of each of its

Re: [License-discuss] Public domain license - Public Domain Customized

2015-01-07 Thread David Woolley
On 04/12/14 17:57, Joe Kua wrote: I wish to release my software in public domain including giving explicit patent grants. Is Public Domain Customized a good license to choose ? There is no such thing as a public domain licence. The documents are combinations of an attempt to abandon

Re: [License-discuss] Fwd: submission type: Approval license name: MIT for ExploreJaipur Project

2014-09-24 Thread David Woolley
On 24/09/14 09:25, Tarun Dixit wrote: /submission type: Approval/ /Rationale:/Clearly state rationale for a new license /license name: MIT// / There is already an approved licence with that name. If it were not approved, you would not be able to submit it because you do not control its

Re: [License-discuss] You need to pay to access AGPL3 scripts?

2014-06-11 Thread David Woolley
On 10/06/14 22:26, Kuno Woudt wrote: I assume FullContentRSS has the copyright on their own software, and can license it as they want. Including selling it to you under AGPLv3, while not offering a download themselves for their users. I find it difficult to work out why someone would use the

Re: [License-discuss] You need to pay to access AGPL3 scripts?

2014-06-11 Thread David Woolley
On 11/06/14 22:24, Ben Tilly wrote: The AGPL is supposed to avoid this issue. Because now they have to acknowledge you, adn let you see their improvements. Not really about freedom then. They lose the freedom to hide their upgrades, but you don't. The tactic may be within the rules, but it

Re: [License-discuss] You need to pay to access AGPL3 scripts?

2014-06-10 Thread David Woolley
On 10/06/14 06:51, ChanMaxthon wrote: I believe it is perfectly fine. RMS himself even *encourage* that. I think people are missing the point here. Assuming the requestor has used the service, this is a clear violation of clause 13 of the AGPL, and, if allowed would make the AGPL

Re: [License-discuss] Obtaining Open Source licence

2013-12-18 Thread David Woolley
On 18/12/13 13:34, Miles Fidelman wrote: - if you're the author (as implied by upload and the currently empty sourceforge repository with what looks like your name attached) - YOU decide what license you release the code under, you don't have to get You must be the sole author. If you use

Re: [License-discuss] Beginner question on CCSA and derivative work

2013-11-18 Thread David Woolley
On 18/11/13 14:24, Nick Yeates wrote: I am unsure if this forum is the correct place for this question, so let me know if I need to ask elsewhere… I am considering using a Work, on the public web, that is clearly licensed under the CCSA: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 England

Re: [License-discuss] Tweaking the BSD license template

2013-11-08 Thread David Woolley
On 07/11/13 22:31, Gervase Markham wrote: That seems like a pretty rare case, and would require an additional permissions grant anyway, as it's not the legal default. It's very common. Microsoft use a lot of BSD code and I'd be surprised if they hadn't modified it, and therefore become

Re: [License-discuss] Tweaking the BSD license template

2013-11-07 Thread David Woolley
On 07/11/13 10:35, Gervase Markham wrote: I would argue that the above sentence also establishes a precedent that it's OK for the OSI copy of a historical license to be genericized in this non-parameterized way. Some or all of the contributors may also be copyright holders. The

Re: [License-discuss] Newbie post: Localisable open source software license

2013-10-21 Thread David Woolley
On 21/10/13 07:39, Maxthon Chan wrote: There is a project, Creative Commons, that focuses on providing free license for art, music and works alike. They tackled the localisation issue well, by providing localised licenses that is interchangeable with No they don't. All the licences seem to

Re: [License-discuss] Open source license and non disclosure agreement

2013-10-03 Thread David Woolley
On 03/10/13 09:54, Quentin Lefebvre wrote: This is the important part: must do so exclusively on your behalf, under your direction and control It means that they cannot use it for their own purposes. The GPL doesn't restrict internal use within an organisation, or the keeping secret of

Re: [License-discuss] we need a new license for earning money

2013-09-22 Thread David Woolley
On 20/09/13 23:04, Pirmin Braun wrote: + explain how this development was financed. Because either there were + non-paid just-for-fun programmers at work who may turn away at any time + or the professional services have to pay the bills. In my experience, open source is much more supportable in

Re: [License-discuss] Endorsement clause?

2013-08-15 Thread David Woolley
On 15/08/13 03:44, ldr ldr wrote: 3. Once every quarter (4 months) of active use [defined as 10 users], an email endorsement to address must be sent stating total number of users; and preferably company the installation is associated with. It's a field of endeavour restriction. It restricts

Re: [License-discuss] Is Web application including GPL libraries covered under GPL?

2013-05-12 Thread David Woolley
MURAKAMI, Keiko wrote: The application is not static linked. The exact point at which combining software creates a derivative work under copyright law is controversial. However, you should note that the Free Software Foundation considers dynamic linking to do so. -- David Woolley Emails

Re: [License-discuss] public domain recognition

2013-05-03 Thread David Woolley
anything under your copyright rights. Even in the USA, I think it has been suggested that public domain dedications don't absolve you of responsibility for consequential damages, so retaining copyright and attempting to disclaim warranty is generally considered safer. -- David Woolley Emails

Re: [License-discuss] opensuce distribution license

2013-05-03 Thread David Woolley
Alejandro Antonio Loyola Ruiz wrote: I have a question: what are the steps performed by Open Source to consider a license as open source software? http://opensource.org/approval -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should

Re: [License-discuss] Changes made by derivative works

2013-01-31 Thread David Woolley
that they pre-date the formalisation of the open source concept. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work

Re: [License-discuss] Changes made by derivative works

2013-01-31 Thread David Woolley
of the file when used outside of the original application. Such re-use is fundamental to the GPL concept, even if many open source developers only think of their programs as ever being used as a whole. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855

Re: [License-discuss] Changes made by derivative works

2013-01-31 Thread David Woolley
Gervase Markham wrote: On 31/01/13 10:37, David Woolley wrote: In the case of GPL one is it mainly meeting the minimum requirements for establishing the copyright status of the file when used outside of the original application. Such re-use is fundamental to the GPL concept, even if many open

Re: [License-discuss] Changes made by derivative works

2013-01-30 Thread David Woolley
it is clear who the copyright owners are, it can be risky to use any piece of software. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address

Re: [License-discuss] List moderation and CoC enforcement [was Re: proposal for revising (and making relevant) the code of conduct]

2013-01-06 Thread David Woolley
really off topic posts there are actually people violating the policy about off topic complaints! -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive

Re: [License-discuss] web forums for license-* [was Re: proposal for revising code of conduct]

2013-01-06 Thread David Woolley
to grin and bare it for a long time first. It seems that a lot of people fail to realise that they subscribed to a public list, and almost accuse the list administrator of spamming them!) -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says

Re: [License-discuss] License which requires watermarking? (Attribution Provision)

2012-12-25 Thread David Woolley
.) -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. ___ License-discuss

Re: [License-discuss] Permissive but anti-patent license

2012-12-24 Thread David Woolley
will need to form a contract at the time of supply of the software, that imposes this constraint. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice

Re: [License-discuss] APPROVAL: Universal Public License Agreement v1

2012-12-18 Thread David Woolley
in the name of the licence. I agree with the other reasons why this is not Open Source. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] CC withdrawl of CC0 from OSI process

2012-02-27 Thread David Woolley
in such a language would necessarily be closed in its capabilities, and would need to fall back on humans for those unforseen problems. So, you wouldn't lose the courts or the arguing over what something really means. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] CC withdrawl of CC0 from OSI process

2012-02-26 Thread David Woolley
a design specification is reviewed, so, if their management cannot understand the licence, they may just play safe by looking for different solutions. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world

Re: [License-discuss] Golan v. Holder

2012-01-23 Thread David Woolley
to a specific exemption in the US. In the UK the actual right that is infringed is to use the software. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice

Re: [License-discuss] TCPDF license: LGPLv3 + a special clause: is this still considered Open Source?

2011-11-23 Thread David Woolley
it. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. ___ License-discuss

Re: [License-discuss] Looking for a license agreement.

2011-10-07 Thread David Woolley
can publish them. Telephone directories and maps have bogus entries to help detect whether a competing compilation is truly independent. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam

Re: [License-discuss] Looking for a license agreement.

2011-10-07 Thread David Woolley
John Cowan wrote: David Woolley scripsit: Database copyrights are not like patents. As long as you obtain the fact independently, you can publish them. Telephone directories and maps have bogus entries to help detect whether a competing compilation is truly independent. Maps, I hasten

Re: [License-discuss] Looking for a license agreement.

2011-10-06 Thread David Woolley
some rights are restricted without it. If there really is no intellectual property in the components you mention, they don't need, and can't have a licence. Also note that, in the UK, some of your examples would be protected by copyright law (database copyrights). -- David Woolley Emails

Re: [License-discuss] Looking for a license agreement.

2011-10-06 Thread David Woolley
that is compatible with open source. Creating a contract where no money changes hands can be difficult. You are creating the opposite of a licence; you are imposing restrictions where none previously existed. IANAL TINLA. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever

Re: [License-discuss] Looking for a license agreement.

2011-10-06 Thread David Woolley
John Cowan wrote: You can't restrict how people use copyrighted works by reason of the copyright alone: you can only control how they copy, distribute, or modify them. I believe that may be true in the USA. Running a computer program is restricted under UK copyright law. -- David

Re: The OSD and commercial use

2002-11-27 Thread David Woolley
Imagine if you went to a store and say a display of chairs. Imagine the price tag said Non-commercial sitters: free; commercial sitters: $100. Imagine I'm sure I could find counters to even this, point, although they tend to involve the fact that commercial buyers buy through different

Re: Approval Requested for AFL 1.2 and OSL 1.1

2002-11-07 Thread David Woolley
You are obligated under two licenses, one from the licensor in Taiwan and the other from the licensor in France. Nothing unusual here with respect to the OSL. Two licenses with different effective terms; there is not one OSL, but one for each of the 100+ countries in the world. It means

Re: Approval Requested for AFL 1.2 and OSL 1.1

2002-11-07 Thread David Woolley
think the terms of the OSL are different, or will be interpreted differently, in those other countries? It is true that the OSL -- and The fact that you said that the choice of law was determined by the licensor; if it is unlikely to change, there will be less uncertainty for licensees if it

Re: Copyright

2002-10-24 Thread David Woolley
This is a great question. I look forward to the group's response on this one. This is an off topic question, as the GPL has already been accepted. In Europe, I believe this would normally be covered by moral rights. However, the Red Hat licence attempts to require that you remove all

Re: Is the Guile license OSI approved?

2001-12-01 Thread David Woolley
David Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not at all. The exception only means that the license does not apply to certain works. It does not say that those works cannot have any license at Which means that there are no copyright permissions for the library, and therefore those works, as

Re: Is the Guile license OSI approved?

2001-11-30 Thread David Woolley
Martin Wolters [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: You can find a few open source projects on the web that use the so called guile license which is the GPL + the following paragraph: As a special exception, if you link this library with other files to produce an executable, this

Re: OSD compliant shareware

2001-11-19 Thread David Woolley
David Johnson wrote: As long as I obey the law with regards to copyright, then it is impossible for me to violate the GPL. Thus I am safe in not agreeing to it. That means that you never download the software from a distribution site, or copy it off borrowed media, and never redistribute