[Lift] Re: [lift] superficial first impressions from a rails junkie

2010-03-07 Thread jonathan mawson
If there's no rational reason to use Lift, then perhaps you could find another community to spend your time in. I didn't say that there was no rational reason to use Lift BUT THAT YOU ARE FAILING TO COMMUNICATE WHAT THAT REASON MIGHT BE TO POTENTIAL USERS! You can't expect potential users to

[Lift] Re: [lift] superficial first impressions from a rails junkie

2010-03-06 Thread jonathan mawson
Warren Henning wrote: tl;dr Want a cookie for your efforts? If you don't like Lift, don't use it. Problem solved. Hooray, turkey for everyone! There are few things sillier than investing time - serious time from lots of people - in a framework aimed at programmers and then

[Lift] Re: [lift] superficial first impressions from a rails junkie

2010-03-06 Thread jonathan mawson
Jeppe Nejsum Madsen wrote: Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu writes: Sorry Jeppe, but I disagree. On which part :-) Maybe the not really into the visual aesthetics. What I meant was not that we don't care, but more that we will rather spend time on coding. The issue to date

[Lift] Re: [lift] superficial first impressions from a rails junkie

2010-03-06 Thread jonathan mawson
As this is likely to be very controversial, I'll recap one more time while my gf finishes dying her hair - - Don't ignore people like Mark. His feedback was detailed, thoughtful, and invaluable if want non-committers to use Lift - Do decide how you are going to position Lift. Position being

[Lift] Re: [lift] superficial first impressions from a rails junkie

2010-03-06 Thread jonathan mawson
Timothy Perrett wrote: By all means, come here with questions and you will find this group to be very responsive and helpful, but do not come here and automatically assume that you can illuminate to us the errors in our project marketing or experience. What's automatic about Mark's

[Lift] Re: [lift] superficial first impressions from a rails junkie

2010-03-06 Thread jonathan mawson
Re. branding == What can you do for me, just compare the sites from Grails and Lift. Grails: Have your next Web 2.0 project done in weeks instead of months. Grails delivers a new age of Java web application productivity. - Ok, this is (claimed to be) a high productivity Web 2.0 framework.

[Lift] Re: Re: [lift] superficial first impressions from a rails junkie

2010-03-06 Thread jonathan mawson
You mistake different with harder. People who are used to one way to do things will find different harder than the same. No, I don't. Different *is* harder. When there is a convention it should be followed unless there is a good reason not to do so. This is one of the half dozen or so key