[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-07 Thread koveen
Hi Stefan and everybody, I am a bit overwhelmed by the enormous response on my mail and am very grateful for it. Last evening, after seeing the amounts of mail, I started working again and ended quite late. I think I even made some progress! (at least Maven thought I made some) So the

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-06 Thread Stefan Langer
Not ment as a offence but you are in way over your head! A couple of things: 1. You say you are a non-programmer but I assume you do understand Scala? Or else it is pointless to use Lift as it is based on the Scala language and relies heavily on its features. Knowledge of Java is also a plus cause

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-06 Thread Jim Barrows
On Oct 6, 12:52 am, Stefan Langer mailtolan...@googlemail.com wrote: Not ment as a offence but you are in way over your head! While I agree. Linus Torvalds was in much the same place. He has to somewhere :) A couple of things: 1. You say you are a non-programmer but I assume you do

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-06 Thread TylerWeir
On Oct 6, 3:52 am, Stefan Langer mailtolan...@googlemail.com wrote: Not ment as a offence but you are in way over your head! This is a case of running before walking I think. Ko, web app development encompasses *many* aspects, and jumping in with a Functional/OO hybrid language based framework

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-06 Thread David Pollak
We try to make Lift accessible to a wide range of folks who want to build web sites. However, there are lower-bounds on what we can do. By and large, PHP is a great place to start in terms of mapping simple HTTP requests into simple web pages with a little RDBMS storage. Personally, I don't

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-06 Thread koveen
Stefan, thanks for your reply. :) to anwser your questions: I have no experience with Java and I only made some very simple static websites, years ago. I will try to listen to you and try to make a very simple website with Lift. But if -IF- I've succeeded in doing that, I hope you will excuse

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-06 Thread TylerWeir
On Oct 6, 12:31 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: We try to make Lift accessible to a wide range of folks who want to build web sites.  However, there are lower-bounds on what we can do.  By and large, PHP is a great place to start in terms of mapping simple HTTP I was

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-06 Thread koveen
David, no need to appologise! I think you do all necessary to clarify issues at hand and defend the interests of the lift community! And I am very happy with the liftbook too! But yes I've spent two weekends to try to accomplish some simple task and failed. And because of that, indeed it has

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-06 Thread Timothy Perrett
Ko, Id echo DPP's comments... if you are a real beginer then perhaps consider PHP as it will provide you with a quicker route to market. Lift is a great bit of software engineering, but parts of it are truley non-trival and will no doubt be completely inappropriate for a beginner... hell, we

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-06 Thread marius d.
Ko, You are in an interesting position :) ... Personally if I would be in your place I would not start with PHP. I would probably start understanding Java servlets and the horrible and crappy JSP's. Then I would try to understand Java not only as a language but also as a platform. Then I would

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-06 Thread Randinn
Hello koveen, I'll tell you some of my experiences with Lift/Scala to give you some idea. I learned to code basic and some what they called then Machine Language on a Commodore Vic 20 and a 64 oh so long ago, I learned a bit of C then gave it up. I learned a bit of PHP since then but that's it.

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-06 Thread Randinn
For the large part, I agree, the level of questions even I know is geingt a bit too much, and the amount of patience you all use answering them even though you know you just answered that a week ago is commendable. That said you commiters don't have time to waste answering those questions, that's

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-06 Thread Stefan Langer
I didn't want to discourage you I just wanted to be honest and please do come back with any question you have as we learn by asking. But at the same time as was said in this thread already take the time to expriment and use the resources that are there (google and the like) to come up with the

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-06 Thread Naftoli Gugenheim
Maybe there should be a Wiki page filled with links for more information, like How To: Get more information. It would be nice if it (and the article titled Home--maybe it should have a better name?) could somehow be the first article in the list. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Stefan Langer

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-05 Thread Naftoli Gugenheim
Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background, which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? :) Can you clarify: Is this going to be a site, or a back end to a mobile app that sits on the phone? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM, koveen

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-05 Thread koveen
hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background, which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? :) First I read a book about rails, explaining

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-05 Thread Naftoli Gugenheim
If it's a site how will it know the phone number? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background,

[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby

2009-10-05 Thread Naftoli Gugenheim
And if it's a site why do you want web services? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: If it's a site how will it know the phone number? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct