[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
Hi Stefan and everybody, I am a bit overwhelmed by the enormous response on my mail and am very grateful for it. Last evening, after seeing the amounts of mail, I started working again and ended quite late. I think I even made some progress! (at least Maven thought I made some) So the encouragements have helped, I think. The way I feel right now, I would like to end this discussion, would like to thank everybody, and hope that the Robert A. Heinlein readers among you will grok me when I say: I am only an egg. Cheers! Ko On 6 okt, 22:10, Stefan Langer mailtolan...@googlemail.com wrote: I didn't want to discourage you I just wanted to be honest and please do come back with any question you have as we learn by asking. But at the same time as was said in this thread already take the time to expriment and use the resources that are there (google and the like) to come up with the answers yourself. As you do this you will start to understand stuff more and more and things will get easier. With the professional help I simply ment that if you have a short time to market then you will not get happy with experimenting and you might consider paying someone (a professional) or finding someone who will do it for you since the other way is going to cost you a lot of time. About what David Pollak said: I think he does a great job designing and maintaining lift but I still think without knowing Scala it is virtually impossible to come to grips with Lift no matter how easy it is to set it up. Learning a programming language with no programming background is quite a job, and in my opinion well worth it, but a long term commitment is required. About the comment with Rails... not too sure if Rails or Lift is easier or they are the same. I have experience with Rails and I love the Ruby syntax which I think is a tad better then Scalas so I find Rails still a tad easier but that is because of lack of experience with Lift. If I wouldn't take Lift serious I wouldn't be here and spend my time learning it. I just do not want you to think that you can simply grab lift and understand it immediately. One more thing about the documentation of Lift. The biggest problem I had when starting was that there is no easy link to a workable Lift demo except for the maven archetype and that is just not complex enough for learning purposes. Thank god to github and the likes the applications to checkout are getting more. Still I think it would be great if the Lift website had a download for an application like the Java PetStore or the like for beginners to study. Befor anyone thinks I'm starting a rant here this is just a suggestion and if I can find the time besides all the other pet projects of mine ;) I might just start a demo app. Regards Stefan 2009/10/6 koveen liep...@xs4all.nl Stefan, thanks for your reply. :) to anwser your questions: I have no experience with Java and I only made some very simple static websites, years ago. I will try to listen to you and try to make a very simple website with Lift. But if -IF- I've succeeded in doing that, I hope you will excuse me when I'll come back to ask again the -too complex- question in my mail. I am not sure if what you are referring to if you mention the professional help I should get, but Yes! I am not really happy trying things out that don't seem to work for me up till now. So shrink or programmer, any help is welcome! (For now I think I will experiment with some simple things on my own) I know the online liftbook, and I am reading it. I bought the Beginning Scala book from David Pollak, and haven't read that much yet, but I will. Cheers, Ko On Oct 6, 11:52 am, Stefan Langer mailtolan...@googlemail.com wrote: Not ment as a offence but you are in way over your head! A couple of things: 1. You say you are a non-programmer but I assume you do understand Scala? Or else it is pointless to use Lift as it is based on the Scala language and relies heavily on its features. Knowledge of Java is also a plus cause some of the libs are not available in Scala but only in Java and it is better to know Java in order to understand the libraries. 2. You do have experience with websites? Complex web applications? If not then I suggest you start by doing a simple static page for your design to get to know the technics you are trying to use or you get yourself a programmer/webdesinger to do it for you. If you are not willing to learn about the technical details you will get in big trouble later on and I mean trouble that can actually cost you money. 3. If the above points do not seem valid for you then please get professional help 4. If you are not scared by the above points and you are willing to invest then I suggest getting some example code and starting to disect that. Take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/pocketchangeappwhichis a complete demo
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
Not ment as a offence but you are in way over your head! A couple of things: 1. You say you are a non-programmer but I assume you do understand Scala? Or else it is pointless to use Lift as it is based on the Scala language and relies heavily on its features. Knowledge of Java is also a plus cause some of the libs are not available in Scala but only in Java and it is better to know Java in order to understand the libraries. 2. You do have experience with websites? Complex web applications? If not then I suggest you start by doing a simple static page for your design to get to know the technics you are trying to use or you get yourself a programmer/webdesinger to do it for you. If you are not willing to learn about the technical details you will get in big trouble later on and I mean trouble that can actually cost you money. 3. If the above points do not seem valid for you then please get professional help 4. If you are not scared by the above points and you are willing to invest then I suggest getting some example code and starting to disect that. Take a look at http://github.com/tjweir/pocketchangeapp which is a complete demo app in lift and take a look at http://github.com/tjweir/liftbook for a liftbook that is available freely. Regards and good luck on your project Stefan 2009/10/5 koveen liep...@xs4all.nl hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background, which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? :) First I read a book about rails, explaining things from the start, I did watch quite a lot of nice video's on the web explaining some basic tricks with Rails. I think it is a system that is easy to start with but I became nervous about recurring issues about scaling, the integration of Rails and Merb and had the idea, maybe wrong, that it was a system too much in transition. I read part of the tutorial of Lift, installed it on my computer using Maven, but in a way I got lost. Then I partially read a book about Wicket. I like the system very much, especially one trick exited me: the Ajaxfallbacklink in which a link worked in a simple way when javasript is disabled , but at the same time has some Ajax functionality when Javascript is enabled on the users system. I liked this feature very much, but the integration with a database is not an integral part of the Wicket-system and can be acquired via a Wicket-Spring-Hibernate combination. This seemed too much for me to get into as a starter. That's how I came back to Lift. I need a stable database-connection. You need one when you hope that people will be paying some, even small, amount of money for your service. Can you clarify: Is this going to be a site, or a back end to a mobile app that sits on the phone? I just want to make a site But I hope it is clear I am not here to criticise anybody, it is just that often I feel this system is way over my head. Maybe that will change. thanks Ko On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi, Being a no-programmer and having no Java-background I'd like to have mentioned that Lift really isn't an easy framework. Having said that, I will try to read my way into this system and try to solve the problems I encounter. I have one question. I would like to establish a login method where a visitor of my site (to be) could be accepted as a valid user, based on the info the server receives when the visitor enters the site. In my case it will be a site for mobile phones and some mobile phone operators will provide me with the telephone-number of the user once she enters. Once a user has paid for the service, this number alone should be enough to make the visitior into a valid user. Without needing to log in. I have read the following on:http://demo.liftweb.net/ws t's easy to dispatch incoming HTTP requests. In your Boot class create a PartialFunction that matches a pattern related to the incoming request and then create a short-lived controller to service the request. This code matches all the requests to /webservices/ and assigns the stuff in '' to the variable c. Then the code attempts to find a public method with that name on the controller. If the method exists, it's invoked and Lift processes the result. I assume I will have to write my own public method and place it where??? in the direcory webservices.? Maven didn't include such a directory in my project set-up, so I assume this webservices are on an external server and that I will have torefer to and extend an existing function. Am I correct in this? and is there an exemple of how to write such a method. I would be really happy to make some progress, and any help is welcome. Thanks, Ko
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
On Oct 6, 12:52 am, Stefan Langer mailtolan...@googlemail.com wrote: Not ment as a offence but you are in way over your head! While I agree. Linus Torvalds was in much the same place. He has to somewhere :) A couple of things: 1. You say you are a non-programmer but I assume you do understand Scala? Or else it is pointless to use Lift as it is based on the Scala language and relies heavily on its features. Knowledge of Java is also a plus cause some of the libs are not available in Scala but only in Java and it is better to know Java in order to understand the libraries. 2. You do have experience with websites? Complex web applications? If not then I suggest you start by doing a simple static page for your design to get to know the technics you are trying to use or you get yourself a programmer/webdesinger to do it for you. If you are not willing to learn about the technical details you will get in big trouble later on and I mean trouble that can actually cost you money. 3. If the above points do not seem valid for you then please get professional help 4. If you are not scared by the above points and you are willing to invest then I suggest getting some example code and starting to disect that. Take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/pocketchangeappwhich is a complete demo app in lift and take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/liftbookfor a liftbook that is available freely. Regards and good luck on your project Stefan 2009/10/5 koveen liep...@xs4all.nl hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background, which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? :) First I read a book about rails, explaining things from the start, I did watch quite a lot of nice video's on the web explaining some basic tricks with Rails. I think it is a system that is easy to start with but I became nervous about recurring issues about scaling, the integration of Rails and Merb and had the idea, maybe wrong, that it was a system too much in transition. I read part of the tutorial of Lift, installed it on my computer using Maven, but in a way I got lost. Then I partially read a book about Wicket. I like the system very much, especially one trick exited me: the Ajaxfallbacklink in which a link worked in a simple way when javasript is disabled , but at the same time has some Ajax functionality when Javascript is enabled on the users system. I liked this feature very much, but the integration with a database is not an integral part of the Wicket-system and can be acquired via a Wicket-Spring-Hibernate combination. This seemed too much for me to get into as a starter. That's how I came back to Lift. I need a stable database-connection. You need one when you hope that people will be paying some, even small, amount of money for your service. Can you clarify: Is this going to be a site, or a back end to a mobile app that sits on the phone? I just want to make a site But I hope it is clear I am not here to criticise anybody, it is just that often I feel this system is way over my head. Maybe that will change. thanks Ko On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi, Being a no-programmer and having no Java-background I'd like to have mentioned that Lift really isn't an easy framework. Having said that, I will try to read my way into this system and try to solve the problems I encounter. I have one question. I would like to establish a login method where a visitor of my site (to be) could be accepted as a valid user, based on the info the server receives when the visitor enters the site. In my case it will be a site for mobile phones and some mobile phone operators will provide me with the telephone-number of the user once she enters. Once a user has paid for the service, this number alone should be enough to make the visitior into a valid user. Without needing to log in. I have read the following on:http://demo.liftweb.net/ws t's easy to dispatch incoming HTTP requests. In your Boot class create a PartialFunction that matches a pattern related to the incoming request and then create a short-lived controller to service the request. This code matches all the requests to /webservices/ and assigns the stuff in '' to the variable c. Then the code attempts to find a public method with that name on the controller. If the method exists, it's invoked and Lift processes the result. I assume I will have to write my own public method and place it where??? in the direcory webservices.? Maven didn't include such a directory in my project set-up, so I assume this webservices are on an external server and that I will have torefer to
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
On Oct 6, 3:52 am, Stefan Langer mailtolan...@googlemail.com wrote: Not ment as a offence but you are in way over your head! This is a case of running before walking I think. Ko, web app development encompasses *many* aspects, and jumping in with a Functional/OO hybrid language based framework may not be the best idea if you're looking to hit the ground running. Tyler A couple of things: 1. You say you are a non-programmer but I assume you do understand Scala? Or else it is pointless to use Lift as it is based on the Scala language and relies heavily on its features. Knowledge of Java is also a plus cause some of the libs are not available in Scala but only in Java and it is better to know Java in order to understand the libraries. 2. You do have experience with websites? Complex web applications? If not then I suggest you start by doing a simple static page for your design to get to know the technics you are trying to use or you get yourself a programmer/webdesinger to do it for you. If you are not willing to learn about the technical details you will get in big trouble later on and I mean trouble that can actually cost you money. 3. If the above points do not seem valid for you then please get professional help 4. If you are not scared by the above points and you are willing to invest then I suggest getting some example code and starting to disect that. Take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/pocketchangeappwhich is a complete demo app in lift and take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/liftbookfor a liftbook that is available freely. Regards and good luck on your project Stefan 2009/10/5 koveen liep...@xs4all.nl hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background, which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? :) First I read a book about rails, explaining things from the start, I did watch quite a lot of nice video's on the web explaining some basic tricks with Rails. I think it is a system that is easy to start with but I became nervous about recurring issues about scaling, the integration of Rails and Merb and had the idea, maybe wrong, that it was a system too much in transition. I read part of the tutorial of Lift, installed it on my computer using Maven, but in a way I got lost. Then I partially read a book about Wicket. I like the system very much, especially one trick exited me: the Ajaxfallbacklink in which a link worked in a simple way when javasript is disabled , but at the same time has some Ajax functionality when Javascript is enabled on the users system. I liked this feature very much, but the integration with a database is not an integral part of the Wicket-system and can be acquired via a Wicket-Spring-Hibernate combination. This seemed too much for me to get into as a starter. That's how I came back to Lift. I need a stable database-connection. You need one when you hope that people will be paying some, even small, amount of money for your service. Can you clarify: Is this going to be a site, or a back end to a mobile app that sits on the phone? I just want to make a site But I hope it is clear I am not here to criticise anybody, it is just that often I feel this system is way over my head. Maybe that will change. thanks Ko On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi, Being a no-programmer and having no Java-background I'd like to have mentioned that Lift really isn't an easy framework. Having said that, I will try to read my way into this system and try to solve the problems I encounter. I have one question. I would like to establish a login method where a visitor of my site (to be) could be accepted as a valid user, based on the info the server receives when the visitor enters the site. In my case it will be a site for mobile phones and some mobile phone operators will provide me with the telephone-number of the user once she enters. Once a user has paid for the service, this number alone should be enough to make the visitior into a valid user. Without needing to log in. I have read the following on:http://demo.liftweb.net/ws t's easy to dispatch incoming HTTP requests. In your Boot class create a PartialFunction that matches a pattern related to the incoming request and then create a short-lived controller to service the request. This code matches all the requests to /webservices/ and assigns the stuff in '' to the variable c. Then the code attempts to find a public method with that name on the controller. If the method exists, it's invoked and Lift processes the result. I assume I will have to write my own public method and place it where??? in the direcory webservices.?
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
We try to make Lift accessible to a wide range of folks who want to build web sites. However, there are lower-bounds on what we can do. By and large, PHP is a great place to start in terms of mapping simple HTTP requests into simple web pages with a little RDBMS storage. Personally, I don't think Lift is materially more complex than Rails, although Rails' documentation and examples are worlds better than Lift's (this is not a put-down of the excellent work done by the whole community and Marius, Derek, and Tyler specifically, but a simple indication of being 4-5 years behind Rails in terms of adoption.) So, Lift may not be the right thing for the original poster. Maybe it will be in two years. Sorry. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Stefan Langer mailtolan...@googlemail.comwrote: Not ment as a offence but you are in way over your head! A couple of things: 1. You say you are a non-programmer but I assume you do understand Scala? Or else it is pointless to use Lift as it is based on the Scala language and relies heavily on its features. Knowledge of Java is also a plus cause some of the libs are not available in Scala but only in Java and it is better to know Java in order to understand the libraries. 2. You do have experience with websites? Complex web applications? If not then I suggest you start by doing a simple static page for your design to get to know the technics you are trying to use or you get yourself a programmer/webdesinger to do it for you. If you are not willing to learn about the technical details you will get in big trouble later on and I mean trouble that can actually cost you money. 3. If the above points do not seem valid for you then please get professional help 4. If you are not scared by the above points and you are willing to invest then I suggest getting some example code and starting to disect that. Take a look at http://github.com/tjweir/pocketchangeapp which is a complete demo app in lift and take a look at http://github.com/tjweir/liftbook for a liftbook that is available freely. Regards and good luck on your project Stefan 2009/10/5 koveen liep...@xs4all.nl hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background, which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? :) First I read a book about rails, explaining things from the start, I did watch quite a lot of nice video's on the web explaining some basic tricks with Rails. I think it is a system that is easy to start with but I became nervous about recurring issues about scaling, the integration of Rails and Merb and had the idea, maybe wrong, that it was a system too much in transition. I read part of the tutorial of Lift, installed it on my computer using Maven, but in a way I got lost. Then I partially read a book about Wicket. I like the system very much, especially one trick exited me: the Ajaxfallbacklink in which a link worked in a simple way when javasript is disabled , but at the same time has some Ajax functionality when Javascript is enabled on the users system. I liked this feature very much, but the integration with a database is not an integral part of the Wicket-system and can be acquired via a Wicket-Spring-Hibernate combination. This seemed too much for me to get into as a starter. That's how I came back to Lift. I need a stable database-connection. You need one when you hope that people will be paying some, even small, amount of money for your service. Can you clarify: Is this going to be a site, or a back end to a mobile app that sits on the phone? I just want to make a site But I hope it is clear I am not here to criticise anybody, it is just that often I feel this system is way over my head. Maybe that will change. thanks Ko On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi, Being a no-programmer and having no Java-background I'd like to have mentioned that Lift really isn't an easy framework. Having said that, I will try to read my way into this system and try to solve the problems I encounter. I have one question. I would like to establish a login method where a visitor of my site (to be) could be accepted as a valid user, based on the info the server receives when the visitor enters the site. In my case it will be a site for mobile phones and some mobile phone operators will provide me with the telephone-number of the user once she enters. Once a user has paid for the service, this number alone should be enough to make the visitior into a valid user. Without needing to log in. I have read the following on:http://demo.liftweb.net/ws t's easy to dispatch incoming HTTP requests. In your Boot class create a PartialFunction that matches a pattern related to the incoming request and then create a
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
Stefan, thanks for your reply. :) to anwser your questions: I have no experience with Java and I only made some very simple static websites, years ago. I will try to listen to you and try to make a very simple website with Lift. But if -IF- I've succeeded in doing that, I hope you will excuse me when I'll come back to ask again the -too complex- question in my mail. I am not sure if what you are referring to if you mention the professional help I should get, but Yes! I am not really happy trying things out that don't seem to work for me up till now. So shrink or programmer, any help is welcome! (For now I think I will experiment with some simple things on my own) I know the online liftbook, and I am reading it. I bought the Beginning Scala book from David Pollak, and haven't read that much yet, but I will. Cheers, Ko On Oct 6, 11:52 am, Stefan Langer mailtolan...@googlemail.com wrote: Not ment as a offence but you are in way over your head! A couple of things: 1. You say you are a non-programmer but I assume you do understand Scala? Or else it is pointless to use Lift as it is based on the Scala language and relies heavily on its features. Knowledge of Java is also a plus cause some of the libs are not available in Scala but only in Java and it is better to know Java in order to understand the libraries. 2. You do have experience with websites? Complex web applications? If not then I suggest you start by doing a simple static page for your design to get to know the technics you are trying to use or you get yourself a programmer/webdesinger to do it for you. If you are not willing to learn about the technical details you will get in big trouble later on and I mean trouble that can actually cost you money. 3. If the above points do not seem valid for you then please get professional help 4. If you are not scared by the above points and you are willing to invest then I suggest getting some example code and starting to disect that. Take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/pocketchangeappwhich is a complete demo app in lift and take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/liftbookfor a liftbook that is available freely. Regards and good luck on your project Stefan 2009/10/5 koveen liep...@xs4all.nl hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background, which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? :) First I read a book about rails, explaining things from the start, I did watch quite a lot of nice video's on the web explaining some basic tricks with Rails. I think it is a system that is easy to start with but I became nervous about recurring issues about scaling, the integration of Rails and Merb and had the idea, maybe wrong, that it was a system too much in transition. I read part of the tutorial of Lift, installed it on my computer using Maven, but in a way I got lost. Then I partially read a book about Wicket. I like the system very much, especially one trick exited me: the Ajaxfallbacklink in which a link worked in a simple way when javasript is disabled , but at the same time has some Ajax functionality when Javascript is enabled on the users system. I liked this feature very much, but the integration with a database is not an integral part of the Wicket-system and can be acquired via a Wicket-Spring-Hibernate combination. This seemed too much for me to get into as a starter. That's how I came back to Lift. I need a stable database-connection. You need one when you hope that people will be paying some, even small, amount of money for your service. Can you clarify: Is this going to be a site, or a back end to a mobile app that sits on the phone? I just want to make a site But I hope it is clear I am not here to criticise anybody, it is just that often I feel this system is way over my head. Maybe that will change. thanks Ko On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi, Being a no-programmer and having no Java-background I'd like to have mentioned that Lift really isn't an easy framework. Having said that, I will try to read my way into this system and try to solve the problems I encounter. I have one question. I would like to establish a login method where a visitor of my site (to be) could be accepted as a valid user, based on the info the server receives when the visitor enters the site. In my case it will be a site for mobile phones and some mobile phone operators will provide me with the telephone-number of the user once she enters. Once a user has paid for the service, this number alone should be enough to make the visitior into a valid user. Without needing to log in. I have read the following on:http://demo.liftweb.net/ws t's easy to dispatch
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
On Oct 6, 12:31 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: We try to make Lift accessible to a wide range of folks who want to build web sites. However, there are lower-bounds on what we can do. By and large, PHP is a great place to start in terms of mapping simple HTTP I was going to suggest CakePHP as I've got non-dev friends to use with with reasonable success. http://cakephp.org/ requests into simple web pages with a little RDBMS storage. Personally, I don't think Lift is materially more complex than Rails, although Rails' documentation and examples are worlds better than Lift's In volume or in quality? Both? Given how busy everyone is, I'll put this out there and maybe some with time/energy will pick it up. Mike Ash is an excellent Cocoa/ObjC dev and has a series of articles he posts on Fridays, Friday QA. http://www.mikeash.com/?page=pyblog/ I see something like this being an enormous benefit to Lift devs. And in addition to QA, maybe a Recipe day, Recipe for CRUD Recipe for Comet Recipe for X I would really like to do this, but I don't have the time to make it be of any quality and I'd prefer not to put out something that is merely one step up from junk. Maybe a thread where people get to guide us to an example app. Personal Opinion: To be fair to Lift commit team, there is quite a bit of example code online for people to check out, but I'm not convinced they are actually looking at it. Given the number of questions that come in that are easily solved with a Google Search, I don't know how pumping out more and more docs and examples will help, as it seems largely ignored. We went through the same issue with Cocos2d-iPhone: http://www.cocos2d-iphone.org/forum/topic/1564 The source code people must download to build a game comes with about 100 examples and people still ignore it. So we're not dealing with a Lift-specific issue I don't think, but we are dealing with a difficult one. Ty (this is not a put-down of the excellent work done by the whole community and Marius, Derek, and Tyler specifically, but a simple indication of being 4-5 years behind Rails in terms of adoption.) So, Lift may not be the right thing for the original poster. Maybe it will be in two years. Sorry. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Stefan Langer mailtolan...@googlemail.comwrote: Not ment as a offence but you are in way over your head! A couple of things: 1. You say you are a non-programmer but I assume you do understand Scala? Or else it is pointless to use Lift as it is based on the Scala language and relies heavily on its features. Knowledge of Java is also a plus cause some of the libs are not available in Scala but only in Java and it is better to know Java in order to understand the libraries. 2. You do have experience with websites? Complex web applications? If not then I suggest you start by doing a simple static page for your design to get to know the technics you are trying to use or you get yourself a programmer/webdesinger to do it for you. If you are not willing to learn about the technical details you will get in big trouble later on and I mean trouble that can actually cost you money. 3. If the above points do not seem valid for you then please get professional help 4. If you are not scared by the above points and you are willing to invest then I suggest getting some example code and starting to disect that. Take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/pocketchangeappwhich is a complete demo app in lift and take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/liftbookfor a liftbook that is available freely. Regards and good luck on your project Stefan 2009/10/5 koveen liep...@xs4all.nl hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background, which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? :) First I read a book about rails, explaining things from the start, I did watch quite a lot of nice video's on the web explaining some basic tricks with Rails. I think it is a system that is easy to start with but I became nervous about recurring issues about scaling, the integration of Rails and Merb and had the idea, maybe wrong, that it was a system too much in transition. I read part of the tutorial of Lift, installed it on my computer using Maven, but in a way I got lost. Then I partially read a book about Wicket. I like the system very much, especially one trick exited me: the Ajaxfallbacklink in which a link worked in a simple way when javasript is disabled , but at the same time has some Ajax functionality when Javascript is enabled on the users system. I liked this feature very much, but the integration with a database is not an integral part of the Wicket-system and can be acquired via a Wicket-Spring-Hibernate combination. This seemed too
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
David, no need to appologise! I think you do all necessary to clarify issues at hand and defend the interests of the lift community! And I am very happy with the liftbook too! But yes I've spent two weekends to try to accomplish some simple task and failed. And because of that, indeed it has crossed my mind to refer back to Rails, only because I really liked to watch those 256 video's in which Ryan Bates explaines some small detail. (I didn't watch them all) It would feel like a failure to me to change to back to Rails, because I have more confidence in Lift. But for a beginner it is not easy. Ko On Oct 6, 8:31 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: We try to make Lift accessible to a wide range of folks who want to build web sites. However, there are lower-bounds on what we can do. By and large, PHP is a great place to start in terms of mapping simple HTTP requests into simple web pages with a little RDBMS storage. Personally, I don't think Lift is materially more complex than Rails, although Rails' documentation and examples are worlds better than Lift's (this is not a put-down of the excellent work done by the whole community and Marius, Derek, and Tyler specifically, but a simple indication of being 4-5 years behind Rails in terms of adoption.) So, Lift may not be the right thing for the original poster. Maybe it will be in two years. Sorry. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Stefan Langer mailtolan...@googlemail.comwrote: Not ment as a offence but you are in way over your head! A couple of things: 1. You say you are a non-programmer but I assume you do understand Scala? Or else it is pointless to use Lift as it is based on the Scala language and relies heavily on its features. Knowledge of Java is also a plus cause some of the libs are not available in Scala but only in Java and it is better to know Java in order to understand the libraries. 2. You do have experience with websites? Complex web applications? If not then I suggest you start by doing a simple static page for your design to get to know the technics you are trying to use or you get yourself a programmer/webdesinger to do it for you. If you are not willing to learn about the technical details you will get in big trouble later on and I mean trouble that can actually cost you money. 3. If the above points do not seem valid for you then please get professional help 4. If you are not scared by the above points and you are willing to invest then I suggest getting some example code and starting to disect that. Take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/pocketchangeappwhich is a complete demo app in lift and take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/liftbookfor a liftbook that is available freely. Regards and good luck on your project Stefan 2009/10/5 koveen liep...@xs4all.nl hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background, which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? :) First I read a book about rails, explaining things from the start, I did watch quite a lot of nice video's on the web explaining some basic tricks with Rails. I think it is a system that is easy to start with but I became nervous about recurring issues about scaling, the integration of Rails and Merb and had the idea, maybe wrong, that it was a system too much in transition. I read part of the tutorial of Lift, installed it on my computer using Maven, but in a way I got lost. Then I partially read a book about Wicket. I like the system very much, especially one trick exited me: the Ajaxfallbacklink in which a link worked in a simple way when javasript is disabled , but at the same time has some Ajax functionality when Javascript is enabled on the users system. I liked this feature very much, but the integration with a database is not an integral part of the Wicket-system and can be acquired via a Wicket-Spring-Hibernate combination. This seemed too much for me to get into as a starter. That's how I came back to Lift. I need a stable database-connection. You need one when you hope that people will be paying some, even small, amount of money for your service. Can you clarify: Is this going to be a site, or a back end to a mobile app that sits on the phone? I just want to make a site But I hope it is clear I am not here to criticise anybody, it is just that often I feel this system is way over my head. Maybe that will change. thanks Ko On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi, Being a no-programmer and having no Java-background I'd like to have mentioned that Lift really isn't an easy framework. Having said that, I will try to read my way into this system and try to solve the problems I encounter. I have one
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
Ko, Id echo DPP's comments... if you are a real beginer then perhaps consider PHP as it will provide you with a quicker route to market. Lift is a great bit of software engineering, but parts of it are truley non-trival and will no doubt be completely inappropriate for a beginner... hell, we have people come to this community from a JEE background and still struggle with certain aspects of lift :-) Tyler, 100% take on what you are saying - it makes sense of course; this is something that has troubled me for a while and I think the main issue is actually just an organisational one. I believe if we can restructure the site to make stuff easier to find that will improve the signal-noise ratio on this list. I've been liaising with some institutions about getting some student help / donation of time to redesign the site, and im making slow but steady progress. I hope that if we can find the right person, they can help us re-organize and re-factor what we have for the good of the community . Cheers, Tim On Oct 6, 6:40 pm, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: David, no need to appologise! I think you do all necessary to clarify issues at hand and defend the interests of the lift community! And I am very happy with the liftbook too! But yes I've spent two weekends to try to accomplish some simple task and failed. And because of that, indeed it has crossed my mind to refer back to Rails, only because I really liked to watch those 256 video's in which Ryan Bates explaines some small detail. (I didn't watch them all) It would feel like a failure to me to change to back to Rails, because I have more confidence in Lift. But for a beginner it is not easy. Ko On Oct 6, 8:31 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: We try to make Lift accessible to a wide range of folks who want to build web sites. However, there are lower-bounds on what we can do. By and large, PHP is a great place to start in terms of mapping simple HTTP requests into simple web pages with a little RDBMS storage. Personally, I don't think Lift is materially more complex than Rails, although Rails' documentation and examples are worlds better than Lift's (this is not a put-down of the excellent work done by the whole community and Marius, Derek, and Tyler specifically, but a simple indication of being 4-5 years behind Rails in terms of adoption.) So, Lift may not be the right thing for the original poster. Maybe it will be in two years. Sorry. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Stefan Langer mailtolan...@googlemail.comwrote: Not ment as a offence but you are in way over your head! A couple of things: 1. You say you are a non-programmer but I assume you do understand Scala? Or else it is pointless to use Lift as it is based on the Scala language and relies heavily on its features. Knowledge of Java is also a plus cause some of the libs are not available in Scala but only in Java and it is better to know Java in order to understand the libraries. 2. You do have experience with websites? Complex web applications? If not then I suggest you start by doing a simple static page for your design to get to know the technics you are trying to use or you get yourself a programmer/webdesinger to do it for you. If you are not willing to learn about the technical details you will get in big trouble later on and I mean trouble that can actually cost you money. 3. If the above points do not seem valid for you then please get professional help 4. If you are not scared by the above points and you are willing to invest then I suggest getting some example code and starting to disect that. Take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/pocketchangeappwhichis a complete demo app in lift and take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/liftbookfora liftbook that is available freely. Regards and good luck on your project Stefan 2009/10/5 koveen liep...@xs4all.nl hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background, which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? :) First I read a book about rails, explaining things from the start, I did watch quite a lot of nice video's on the web explaining some basic tricks with Rails. I think it is a system that is easy to start with but I became nervous about recurring issues about scaling, the integration of Rails and Merb and had the idea, maybe wrong, that it was a system too much in transition. I read part of the tutorial of Lift, installed it on my computer using Maven, but in a way I got lost. Then I partially read a book about Wicket. I like the system very much, especially one trick exited me: the Ajaxfallbacklink in which a link worked in a simple way when javasript is disabled , but at
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
Ko, You are in an interesting position :) ... Personally if I would be in your place I would not start with PHP. I would probably start understanding Java servlets and the horrible and crappy JSP's. Then I would try to understand Java not only as a language but also as a platform. Then I would start with Scala. David's book Beginning Scala is an excellent material. Then or maybe in parallel with that dig in Lift. I'm sure you realise there are lots of things for you to digest, but by all means don't let this stop you. Lift and Scala are just great and definitely worth the effort. Br's, Marius On Oct 5, 9:32 pm, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi, Being a no-programmer and having no Java-background I'd like to have mentioned that Lift really isn't an easy framework. Having said that, I will try to read my way into this system and try to solve the problems I encounter. I have one question. I would like to establish a login method where a visitor of my site (to be) could be accepted as a valid user, based on the info the server receives when the visitor enters the site. In my case it will be a site for mobile phones and some mobile phone operators will provide me with the telephone-number of the user once she enters. Once a user has paid for the service, this number alone should be enough to make the visitior into a valid user. Without needing to log in. I have read the following on:http://demo.liftweb.net/ws t's easy to dispatch incoming HTTP requests. In your Boot class create a PartialFunction that matches a pattern related to the incoming request and then create a short-lived controller to service the request. This code matches all the requests to /webservices/ and assigns the stuff in '' to the variable c. Then the code attempts to find a public method with that name on the controller. If the method exists, it's invoked and Lift processes the result. I assume I will have to write my own public method and place it where??? in the direcory webservices.? Maven didn't include such a directory in my project set-up, so I assume this webservices are on an external server and that I will have torefer to and extend an existing function. Am I correct in this? and is there an exemple of how to write such a method. I would be really happy to make some progress, and any help is welcome. Thanks, Ko --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
Hello koveen, I'll tell you some of my experiences with Lift/Scala to give you some idea. I learned to code basic and some what they called then Machine Language on a Commodore Vic 20 and a 64 oh so long ago, I learned a bit of C then gave it up. I learned a bit of PHP since then but that's it. I'm learning Scala/Lift because I want to, not for a particular site I want to make. If you are determined to learn it there are some things you need to understand then. OOP is the very first, if you do not have an understanding of Object Orientated Programming then you'll not see why the code is written the way it is. I would suggest learning what Functional Programming is as well as you will be dealing with it to a lesser degree. You need to learn the basics of Java (what classes are, whats an interface, etc.) as they will be referenced because it is assumed you already know these. You have something most of the others here do not have, pre-conceived notions, the same Java programmers that do know the basics are also constrained a bit by that knowledge. Scala has differences from Java that they have to overcome to learn the language. What I suggest is if you have a site you have to make soon do it in something else and study Scala more, if not then readas many of the Scala books you can find (Davids is a great book and the lift book is a great basic book) Martin's book I'd suggest getting as he has definitions of Java terms and explains some of the Java basics. Anyway, good luck. On Oct 7, 4:40 am, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: David, no need to appologise! I think you do all necessary to clarify issues at hand and defend the interests of the lift community! And I am very happy with the liftbook too! But yes I've spent two weekends to try to accomplish some simple task and failed. And because of that, indeed it has crossed my mind to refer back to Rails, only because I really liked to watch those 256 video's in which Ryan Bates explaines some small detail. (I didn't watch them all) It would feel like a failure to me to change to back to Rails, because I have more confidence in Lift. But for a beginner it is not easy. Ko On Oct 6, 8:31 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: We try to make Lift accessible to a wide range of folks who want to build web sites. However, there are lower-bounds on what we can do. By and large, PHP is a great place to start in terms of mapping simple HTTP requests into simple web pages with a little RDBMS storage. Personally, I don't think Lift is materially more complex than Rails, although Rails' documentation and examples are worlds better than Lift's (this is not a put-down of the excellent work done by the whole community and Marius, Derek, and Tyler specifically, but a simple indication of being 4-5 years behind Rails in terms of adoption.) So, Lift may not be the right thing for the original poster. Maybe it will be in two years. Sorry. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Stefan Langer mailtolan...@googlemail.comwrote: Not ment as a offence but you are in way over your head! A couple of things: 1. You say you are a non-programmer but I assume you do understand Scala? Or else it is pointless to use Lift as it is based on the Scala language and relies heavily on its features. Knowledge of Java is also a plus cause some of the libs are not available in Scala but only in Java and it is better to know Java in order to understand the libraries. 2. You do have experience with websites? Complex web applications? If not then I suggest you start by doing a simple static page for your design to get to know the technics you are trying to use or you get yourself a programmer/webdesinger to do it for you. If you are not willing to learn about the technical details you will get in big trouble later on and I mean trouble that can actually cost you money. 3. If the above points do not seem valid for you then please get professional help 4. If you are not scared by the above points and you are willing to invest then I suggest getting some example code and starting to disect that. Take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/pocketchangeappwhichis a complete demo app in lift and take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/liftbookfora liftbook that is available freely. Regards and good luck on your project Stefan 2009/10/5 koveen liep...@xs4all.nl hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background, which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? :) First I read a book about rails, explaining things from the start, I did watch quite a lot of nice video's on the web explaining some basic tricks with Rails. I think it is a system that is easy to start with but I became
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
For the large part, I agree, the level of questions even I know is geingt a bit too much, and the amount of patience you all use answering them even though you know you just answered that a week ago is commendable. That said you commiters don't have time to waste answering those questions, that's what we are for :) and it is happening. There are people here that are not commiters that are answering those questions and others. I've been a lurker here for over a year and even I am answering an occasional answer. Maybe writing what you understand into the Wiki should be promoted more, mention it on the title pages of lift, maybe even bring in a commiter or two in with the express idea they are working on the Docs/ wiki. Bring in some support crew so the commiters only have to worry about committing :) Personal Opinion: To be fair to Lift commit team, there is quite a bit of example code online for people to check out, but I'm not convinced they are actually looking at it. Given the number of questions that come in that are easily solved with a Google Search, I don't know how pumping out more and more docs and examples will help, as it seems largely ignored. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
I didn't want to discourage you I just wanted to be honest and please do come back with any question you have as we learn by asking. But at the same time as was said in this thread already take the time to expriment and use the resources that are there (google and the like) to come up with the answers yourself. As you do this you will start to understand stuff more and more and things will get easier. With the professional help I simply ment that if you have a short time to market then you will not get happy with experimenting and you might consider paying someone (a professional) or finding someone who will do it for you since the other way is going to cost you a lot of time. About what David Pollak said: I think he does a great job designing and maintaining lift but I still think without knowing Scala it is virtually impossible to come to grips with Lift no matter how easy it is to set it up. Learning a programming language with no programming background is quite a job, and in my opinion well worth it, but a long term commitment is required. About the comment with Rails... not too sure if Rails or Lift is easier or they are the same. I have experience with Rails and I love the Ruby syntax which I think is a tad better then Scalas so I find Rails still a tad easier but that is because of lack of experience with Lift. If I wouldn't take Lift serious I wouldn't be here and spend my time learning it. I just do not want you to think that you can simply grab lift and understand it immediately. One more thing about the documentation of Lift. The biggest problem I had when starting was that there is no easy link to a workable Lift demo except for the maven archetype and that is just not complex enough for learning purposes. Thank god to github and the likes the applications to checkout are getting more. Still I think it would be great if the Lift website had a download for an application like the Java PetStore or the like for beginners to study. Befor anyone thinks I'm starting a rant here this is just a suggestion and if I can find the time besides all the other pet projects of mine ;) I might just start a demo app. Regards Stefan 2009/10/6 koveen liep...@xs4all.nl Stefan, thanks for your reply. :) to anwser your questions: I have no experience with Java and I only made some very simple static websites, years ago. I will try to listen to you and try to make a very simple website with Lift. But if -IF- I've succeeded in doing that, I hope you will excuse me when I'll come back to ask again the -too complex- question in my mail. I am not sure if what you are referring to if you mention the professional help I should get, but Yes! I am not really happy trying things out that don't seem to work for me up till now. So shrink or programmer, any help is welcome! (For now I think I will experiment with some simple things on my own) I know the online liftbook, and I am reading it. I bought the Beginning Scala book from David Pollak, and haven't read that much yet, but I will. Cheers, Ko On Oct 6, 11:52 am, Stefan Langer mailtolan...@googlemail.com wrote: Not ment as a offence but you are in way over your head! A couple of things: 1. You say you are a non-programmer but I assume you do understand Scala? Or else it is pointless to use Lift as it is based on the Scala language and relies heavily on its features. Knowledge of Java is also a plus cause some of the libs are not available in Scala but only in Java and it is better to know Java in order to understand the libraries. 2. You do have experience with websites? Complex web applications? If not then I suggest you start by doing a simple static page for your design to get to know the technics you are trying to use or you get yourself a programmer/webdesinger to do it for you. If you are not willing to learn about the technical details you will get in big trouble later on and I mean trouble that can actually cost you money. 3. If the above points do not seem valid for you then please get professional help 4. If you are not scared by the above points and you are willing to invest then I suggest getting some example code and starting to disect that. Take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/pocketchangeappwhich is a complete demo app in lift and take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/liftbookfor a liftbook that is available freely. Regards and good luck on your project Stefan 2009/10/5 koveen liep...@xs4all.nl hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background, which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? :) First I read a book about rails, explaining things from the start, I did watch quite a lot of nice video's on the web explaining some basic tricks with Rails. I think it is a system
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
Maybe there should be a Wiki page filled with links for more information, like How To: Get more information. It would be nice if it (and the article titled Home--maybe it should have a better name?) could somehow be the first article in the list. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Stefan Langer mailtolan...@googlemail.com wrote: I didn't want to discourage you I just wanted to be honest and please do come back with any question you have as we learn by asking. But at the same time as was said in this thread already take the time to expriment and use the resources that are there (google and the like) to come up with the answers yourself. As you do this you will start to understand stuff more and more and things will get easier. With the professional help I simply ment that if you have a short time to market then you will not get happy with experimenting and you might consider paying someone (a professional) or finding someone who will do it for you since the other way is going to cost you a lot of time. About what David Pollak said: I think he does a great job designing and maintaining lift but I still think without knowing Scala it is virtually impossible to come to grips with Lift no matter how easy it is to set it up. Learning a programming language with no programming background is quite a job, and in my opinion well worth it, but a long term commitment is required. About the comment with Rails... not too sure if Rails or Lift is easier or they are the same. I have experience with Rails and I love the Ruby syntax which I think is a tad better then Scalas so I find Rails still a tad easier but that is because of lack of experience with Lift. If I wouldn't take Lift serious I wouldn't be here and spend my time learning it. I just do not want you to think that you can simply grab lift and understand it immediately. One more thing about the documentation of Lift. The biggest problem I had when starting was that there is no easy link to a workable Lift demo except for the maven archetype and that is just not complex enough for learning purposes. Thank god to github and the likes the applications to checkout are getting more. Still I think it would be great if the Lift website had a download for an application like the Java PetStore or the like for beginners to study. Befor anyone thinks I'm starting a rant here this is just a suggestion and if I can find the time besides all the other pet projects of mine ;) I might just start a demo app. Regards Stefan 2009/10/6 koveen liep...@xs4all.nl Stefan, thanks for your reply. :) to anwser your questions: I have no experience with Java and I only made some very simple static websites, years ago. I will try to listen to you and try to make a very simple website with Lift. But if -IF- I've succeeded in doing that, I hope you will excuse me when I'll come back to ask again the -too complex- question in my mail. I am not sure if what you are referring to if you mention the professional help I should get, but Yes! I am not really happy trying things out that don't seem to work for me up till now. So shrink or programmer, any help is welcome! (For now I think I will experiment with some simple things on my own) I know the online liftbook, and I am reading it. I bought the Beginning Scala book from David Pollak, and haven't read that much yet, but I will. Cheers, Ko On Oct 6, 11:52 am, Stefan Langer mailtolan...@googlemail.com wrote: Not ment as a offence but you are in way over your head! A couple of things: 1. You say you are a non-programmer but I assume you do understand Scala? Or else it is pointless to use Lift as it is based on the Scala language and relies heavily on its features. Knowledge of Java is also a plus cause some of the libs are not available in Scala but only in Java and it is better to know Java in order to understand the libraries. 2. You do have experience with websites? Complex web applications? If not then I suggest you start by doing a simple static page for your design to get to know the technics you are trying to use or you get yourself a programmer/webdesinger to do it for you. If you are not willing to learn about the technical details you will get in big trouble later on and I mean trouble that can actually cost you money. 3. If the above points do not seem valid for you then please get professional help 4. If you are not scared by the above points and you are willing to invest then I suggest getting some example code and starting to disect that. Take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/pocketchangeappwhich is a complete demo app in lift and take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/liftbookfor a liftbook that is available freely. Regards and good luck on your project Stefan 2009/10/5 koveen liep...@xs4all.nl hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background, which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? :) Can you clarify: Is this going to be a site, or a back end to a mobile app that sits on the phone? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi, Being a no-programmer and having no Java-background I'd like to have mentioned that Lift really isn't an easy framework. Having said that, I will try to read my way into this system and try to solve the problems I encounter. I have one question. I would like to establish a login method where a visitor of my site (to be) could be accepted as a valid user, based on the info the server receives when the visitor enters the site. In my case it will be a site for mobile phones and some mobile phone operators will provide me with the telephone-number of the user once she enters. Once a user has paid for the service, this number alone should be enough to make the visitior into a valid user. Without needing to log in. I have read the following on: http://demo.liftweb.net/ws t's easy to dispatch incoming HTTP requests. In your Boot class create a PartialFunction that matches a pattern related to the incoming request and then create a short-lived controller to service the request. This code matches all the requests to /webservices/ and assigns the stuff in '' to the variable c. Then the code attempts to find a public method with that name on the controller. If the method exists, it's invoked and Lift processes the result. I assume I will have to write my own public method and place it where??? in the direcory webservices.? Maven didn't include such a directory in my project set-up, so I assume this webservices are on an external server and that I will have torefer to and extend an existing function. Am I correct in this? and is there an exemple of how to write such a method. I would be really happy to make some progress, and any help is welcome. Thanks, Ko --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background, which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? :) First I read a book about rails, explaining things from the start, I did watch quite a lot of nice video's on the web explaining some basic tricks with Rails. I think it is a system that is easy to start with but I became nervous about recurring issues about scaling, the integration of Rails and Merb and had the idea, maybe wrong, that it was a system too much in transition. I read part of the tutorial of Lift, installed it on my computer using Maven, but in a way I got lost. Then I partially read a book about Wicket. I like the system very much, especially one trick exited me: the Ajaxfallbacklink in which a link worked in a simple way when javasript is disabled , but at the same time has some Ajax functionality when Javascript is enabled on the users system. I liked this feature very much, but the integration with a database is not an integral part of the Wicket-system and can be acquired via a Wicket-Spring-Hibernate combination. This seemed too much for me to get into as a starter. That's how I came back to Lift. I need a stable database-connection. You need one when you hope that people will be paying some, even small, amount of money for your service. Can you clarify: Is this going to be a site, or a back end to a mobile app that sits on the phone? I just want to make a site But I hope it is clear I am not here to criticise anybody, it is just that often I feel this system is way over my head. Maybe that will change. thanks Ko On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi, Being a no-programmer and having no Java-background I'd like to have mentioned that Lift really isn't an easy framework. Having said that, I will try to read my way into this system and try to solve the problems I encounter. I have one question. I would like to establish a login method where a visitor of my site (to be) could be accepted as a valid user, based on the info the server receives when the visitor enters the site. In my case it will be a site for mobile phones and some mobile phone operators will provide me with the telephone-number of the user once she enters. Once a user has paid for the service, this number alone should be enough to make the visitior into a valid user. Without needing to log in. I have read the following on:http://demo.liftweb.net/ws t's easy to dispatch incoming HTTP requests. In your Boot class create a PartialFunction that matches a pattern related to the incoming request and then create a short-lived controller to service the request. This code matches all the requests to /webservices/ and assigns the stuff in '' to the variable c. Then the code attempts to find a public method with that name on the controller. If the method exists, it's invoked and Lift processes the result. I assume I will have to write my own public method and place it where??? in the direcory webservices.? Maven didn't include such a directory in my project set-up, so I assume this webservices are on an external server and that I will have torefer to and extend an existing function. Am I correct in this? and is there an exemple of how to write such a method. I would be really happy to make some progress, and any help is welcome. Thanks, Ko --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
If it's a site how will it know the phone number? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background, which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? :) First I read a book about rails, explaining things from the start, I did watch quite a lot of nice video's on the web explaining some basic tricks with Rails. I think it is a system that is easy to start with but I became nervous about recurring issues about scaling, the integration of Rails and Merb and had the idea, maybe wrong, that it was a system too much in transition. I read part of the tutorial of Lift, installed it on my computer using Maven, but in a way I got lost. Then I partially read a book about Wicket. I like the system very much, especially one trick exited me: the Ajaxfallbacklink in which a link worked in a simple way when javasript is disabled , but at the same time has some Ajax functionality when Javascript is enabled on the users system. I liked this feature very much, but the integration with a database is not an integral part of the Wicket-system and can be acquired via a Wicket-Spring-Hibernate combination. This seemed too much for me to get into as a starter. That's how I came back to Lift. I need a stable database-connection. You need one when you hope that people will be paying some, even small, amount of money for your service. Can you clarify: Is this going to be a site, or a back end to a mobile app that sits on the phone? I just want to make a site But I hope it is clear I am not here to criticise anybody, it is just that often I feel this system is way over my head. Maybe that will change. thanks Ko On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi, Being a no-programmer and having no Java-background I'd like to have mentioned that Lift really isn't an easy framework. Having said that, I will try to read my way into this system and try to solve the problems I encounter. I have one question. I would like to establish a login method where a visitor of my site (to be) could be accepted as a valid user, based on the info the server receives when the visitor enters the site. In my case it will be a site for mobile phones and some mobile phone operators will provide me with the telephone-number of the user once she enters. Once a user has paid for the service, this number alone should be enough to make the visitior into a valid user. Without needing to log in. I have read the following on:http://demo.liftweb.net/ws t's easy to dispatch incoming HTTP requests. In your Boot class create a PartialFunction that matches a pattern related to the incoming request and then create a short-lived controller to service the request. This code matches all the requests to /webservices/ and assigns the stuff in '' to the variable c. Then the code attempts to find a public method with that name on the controller. If the method exists, it's invoked and Lift processes the result. I assume I will have to write my own public method and place it where??? in the direcory webservices.? Maven didn't include such a directory in my project set-up, so I assume this webservices are on an external server and that I will have torefer to and extend an existing function. Am I correct in this? and is there an exemple of how to write such a method. I would be really happy to make some progress, and any help is welcome. Thanks, Ko --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: lift nearly inaccessible for newby
And if it's a site why do you want web services? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: If it's a site how will it know the phone number? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: hi Naftoli, thanks for your interest. On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim naftoli...@gmail.com wrote: Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java background, which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? :) First I read a book about rails, explaining things from the start, I did watch quite a lot of nice video's on the web explaining some basic tricks with Rails. I think it is a system that is easy to start with but I became nervous about recurring issues about scaling, the integration of Rails and Merb and had the idea, maybe wrong, that it was a system too much in transition. I read part of the tutorial of Lift, installed it on my computer using Maven, but in a way I got lost. Then I partially read a book about Wicket. I like the system very much, especially one trick exited me: the Ajaxfallbacklink in which a link worked in a simple way when javasript is disabled , but at the same time has some Ajax functionality when Javascript is enabled on the users system. I liked this feature very much, but the integration with a database is not an integral part of the Wicket-system and can be acquired via a Wicket-Spring-Hibernate combination. This seemed too much for me to get into as a starter. That's how I came back to Lift. I need a stable database-connection. You need one when you hope that people will be paying some, even small, amount of money for your service. Can you clarify: Is this going to be a site, or a back end to a mobile app that sits on the phone? I just want to make a site But I hope it is clear I am not here to criticise anybody, it is just that often I feel this system is way over my head. Maybe that will change. thanks Ko On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM, koveen liep...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi, Being a no-programmer and having no Java-background I'd like to have mentioned that Lift really isn't an easy framework. Having said that, I will try to read my way into this system and try to solve the problems I encounter. I have one question. I would like to establish a login method where a visitor of my site (to be) could be accepted as a valid user, based on the info the server receives when the visitor enters the site. In my case it will be a site for mobile phones and some mobile phone operators will provide me with the telephone-number of the user once she enters. Once a user has paid for the service, this number alone should be enough to make the visitior into a valid user. Without needing to log in. I have read the following on:http://demo.liftweb.net/ws t's easy to dispatch incoming HTTP requests. In your Boot class create a PartialFunction that matches a pattern related to the incoming request and then create a short-lived controller to service the request. This code matches all the requests to /webservices/ and assigns the stuff in '' to the variable c. Then the code attempts to find a public method with that name on the controller. If the method exists, it's invoked and Lift processes the result. I assume I will have to write my own public method and place it where??? in the direcory webservices.? Maven didn't include such a directory in my project set-up, so I assume this webservices are on an external server and that I will have torefer to and extend an existing function. Am I correct in this? and is there an exemple of how to write such a method. I would be really happy to make some progress, and any help is welcome. Thanks, Ko --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
