Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-07 Thread David Kastrup
Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net writes: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Joe Neeman joenee...@gmail.com wrote: If the archives were public, it might deter people from speaking frankly. I understand; however having public archives is also something important for the project's

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-06 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Joe Neeman joenee...@gmail.com wrote: If the archives were public, it might deter people from speaking frankly. I understand; however having public archives is also something important for the project's history. The best compromise I could come up with would be to

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread David Kastrup
Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com writes: And before that, in October/November 2009 there were some mails about how to handle someone, who back then didn't really show proper behavior. If you compare how I react to things then and now, you'll find I have not changed one bit. Any

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 10:03:02AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: What leaves sort of a bad aftertaste here, I think, is that there is a semi-official inner circle Please read my email from two months ago http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-devel@gnu.org/msg30917.html and tell me what is

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: -- from my comment 3 Before discussing anything specific, I want to settle the abstract question should an OSS project have any kind of private mailing list?. You have two options: 1) Give an argument why they should not. In particular,

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 01:46:07PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: -- from my comment 3 Before discussing anything specific, I want to settle the abstract question should an OSS project have any kind of private mailing list?. You have

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/5/10 7:26 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: I repeat: do you (not necessarily David, but anybody) agree that an OSS project can, in theory, have some kind of private mailing list? I believe that private mailing lists for an OSS project are useful and that LilyPond

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/5/10 7:49 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 07:36:42AM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote: I don't think it's worth delaying 2.14 in order to debate either of these questions. Can't we just note that the debate exists, perhaps add it to our list of

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 07:36:42AM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote: I don't think it's worth delaying 2.14 in order to debate either of these questions. Can't we just note that the debate exists, perhaps add it to our list of GLISS topics, and move on to getting 2.14 out? It's not a GLISS (syntax)

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: Great!  Let's move on, OK?  If Valentin wants to patch the documentation, then he can propose a patch.  The same applies to anyone else who wants to propose a patch. *I* certainly am in no place to propose a patch, since I

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu writes: On 11/5/10 7:26 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: I repeat: do you (not necessarily David, but anybody) agree that an OSS project can, in theory, have some kind of private mailing list? I believe that private mailing lists for an

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/5/10 8:15 AM, Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net wrote: On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: Great!  Let's move on, OK?  If Valentin wants to patch the documentation, then he can propose a patch.  The same applies to anyone else who wants to

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: As far as I know, I'm not a member of -hackers.  I get a not-found error whenever I click on any of the links. I don't have any emails from -hackers in my inbox or saved mails.  I don't have -hackers in my Contacts list.  

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/5/10 9:37 AM, Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net wrote: On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: As far as I know, I'm not a member of -hackers.  I get a not-found error whenever I click on any of the links. I don't have any emails from

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: I'm certain that the reason I'm not on the list is because the list is in total disarray. It seems that we all agree on that. I see several challenges associated with producing a more informative patch at this time: 1)

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/5/10 11:40 AM, Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net wrote: On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: 2) Any description of the history may be irrelevant to the future Is it for us to decide? Nope. And it's impossible for anybody to decide until

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread David Kastrup
Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net writes: situation (and again: like David, I am not referring to the division between people who are subscribed to -hackers and other people, but between those who know about it and those who do not). David seemingly is quite incapable of bringing his

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: David seemingly is quite incapable of bringing his meaning across, so instead of substituting your own, just quote him. Indeed. As you may have guessed, I added your name to that sentence as an afterthought, only to make it

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Joe Neeman
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.netwrote: On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: David seemingly is quite incapable of bringing his meaning across, so instead of substituting your own, just quote him. Indeed. As you may have

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Joe Neeman joenee...@gmail.com wrote: What sort of signs would you find reassuring? Greetings Joe, Well, your answer is one, for starters :) What I meant by reassuring signs is pretty much any reactions from the development team acknowledging that there might be

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Joe Neeman
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.netwrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Joe Neeman joenee...@gmail.com wrote: What sort of signs would you find reassuring? Greetings Joe, Well, your answer is one, for starters :) What I meant by reassuring signs is

follow-up to report 22

2010-11-04 Thread Graham Percival
This email is a follow-up to comments in: http://news.lilynet.net/The-LilyPond-Report-22 I spent 5 minutes trying to post my latest reply, but the forum software continually complained that I had used wrong words, tags, or symbols, and thus it rejected my comment as spam. I am posting my reply

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-04 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: I spent 5 minutes trying to post my latest reply, but the forum software continually complained that I had used wrong words, tags, or symbols, and thus it rejected my comment as spam.  I am posting my reply here

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-04 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Donnerstag, 4. November 2010, um 21:56:24 schrieb Valentin Villenave: 2) Agree that an OSS project can, in theory, have a private mailing list. And apologize. *sigh* I do apologize if you felt offended (which you obviously do). However, I can assure you that my goal is not to make you