Re: doc build needs funkiness

2010-09-11 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/11/10 5:47 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: On 9/10/10 2:17 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: But somehow I lost it.  I'm sorry about breaking the doc build.  It's fixed

Re: [PATCH] Web: Easier editing: Add link to Abjad website.

2010-09-12 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/12/10 1:41 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey guys, Here's a patch to add a link to Trevor Bača's project Abjad. Trevor, I assume you're fine with this wording, but let me know: Good to have you back, Mark. Abjad, a Python API for Formalized Score Control,

Help understanding how code works (or doesn't)

2010-09-14 Thread Carl Sorensen
I'm trying to fix Issue 372, which has \partial 4 \grace f16 d4 | \repeat unfold 8 c8 fail to autobeam the 8th notes. In running through the debugger, the problem is caused because a grace part shows up in the measure position, so the autobeam never kicks in. I think that the reason for this

Re: equivalent to \once within scheme?

2010-09-15 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/15/10 2:09 AM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Hello all, IIUC, \override grob #'foo = #bar is more or less the same as (ly:grob-set-property! grob foo bar) Actually, this is closer to being the equivalent of \tweak. \override context.grob #'foo = #bar is accomplished in scheme

Re: [PATCH]: Doc: LM 3.2: Entering voices in the correct order.

2010-09-18 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/18/10 12:23 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: This patch should prevent the type of confusion that leads to bug #45: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=45 Comments/objections? Okay to push? I like the documentation, as it clarifies things. But I think

Re: Help understanding how code works (or doesn't)

2010-09-18 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/16/10 4:55 PM, Neil Puttock n.putt...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 September 2010 03:40, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: Note that at this point, I haven't changed the value to which I am setting 'measurePosition.  So, can anybody help me see why this code doesn't work? It looks

Re: [PATCH]: Doc: LM 3.2: Entering voices in the correct order.

2010-09-18 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/18/10 7:59 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Carl, it looks like you're outnumbered wrt to LM vs. NR, but feel free to protest against us masses, we'll listen. Well, the Notation Reference is supposed to contain all the information necessary to understand all the notation.

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/21/10 3:46 AM, Joseph Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net wrote: On 09/20/2010 03:41 PM, Hans Aberg wrote: A sharp is M-m and a flat m-M. If I understand right, this is a key trick of your system, since such representations allow you to raise or lower the pitch without affecting the

Re: Lilypond's internal pitch representation and microtonal notation

2010-09-21 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/21/10 9:28 AM, Joseph Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net wrote: On 09/21/2010 04:52 PM, Carl Sorensen wrote: However, I was wrong in my assumption that something about the key signature should determine which of the enharmonic equivalents should be used. Instead, it appears

Re: Wrong architecture on OSX

2010-09-21 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/21/10 4:51 PM, Dénes Harmath harmathde...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, when trying to build LilyPond on OSX 10.6.4, I get the following error: /Users/thsoft/Development/lilypond/scripts/build/out/help2man out/lilypond-invoke-editor out/lilypond-invoke-editor.1 Traceback (most recent

Re: Doc fixes for \applyOutput ... ok to push?

2010-09-25 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/25/10 9:42 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: David Kastrup wrote: +In the PDF and HTML output, variables should appear in a monospace +font (to indicate that they are elements of program code). So +when referring to variables in the text, use

Re: Doc fixes for \applyOutput ... ok to push?

2010-09-25 Thread Carl Sorensen
Looks marvelous to me. Thanks! Carl On 9/25/10 7:31 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Carl Sorensen wrote: I think David's point is that variables should appear in @code{} format, not monospace format. We might choose to make @code{} become monospace bold, or monospace

Re: MetronomeMark #'break-align-symbols sometimes fails

2010-09-26 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/26/10 5:09 AM, Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jan! No, I'm *not* obsessed with Tempo indications placement (or maybe, am I?)... ;-p Actually this time the issue was reported on the French-speaking mailing list, I'm just relaying it. MetronomeMark

Re: Figured bass inside a staff collides with articulations...

2010-09-27 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/27/10 9:32 AM, Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com wrote: Bass figures can be either added as a separate FiguredBass context (which has the drawback that all figures will be shifted up if one of the notes in the staff is very high), or directly inside a staff. In the latter case,

Re: 13.35 or 13.36?

2010-10-01 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/1/10 9:43 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: I downloaded 13.35 yesterday just after it was announced. Today it seems to have disappeared, to be replaced by 13.36. 2.13.35 is the latest development release. 2.13.36 is the version that is created when you build from git, but

Re: 13.35 or 13.36?

2010-10-01 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/1/10 2:28 PM, Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 October 2010 22:15, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: 2.13.35 is the latest development release. 2.13.36 is the version that is created when you build from git, but it's not yet released. That's why my latest

Re: 13.35 or 13.36?

2010-10-01 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/1/10 2:44 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: This is a website bug, and should be Critcal, IMO, because it prevents downloading the latest devel. Dude! Chill! :) What an easy Critical bug

Re: 13.35 or 13.36?

2010-10-01 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/1/10 4:42 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Graham Percival wrote: Ok guys. I see why Carl wanted to change it, but a few points: - CG 10.2 is pretty clear about what the numbers mean. -

Re: 13.35 or 13.36?

2010-10-01 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/1/10 4:30 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Graham Percival wrote: This is a website bug, and should be Critcal, IMO, because it prevents downloading the latest devel. Dude! Chill! :) I mistyped 2.13.36 instead of 2.13.35 in VERSION. The fix has been pushed.

Re: What am I doing wrong here?

2010-10-03 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/3/10 10:29 AM, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: David Kastrup wrote Sunday, October 03, 2010 3:22 PM push = -\tweak #'side-axis #X ^\markup { \musicglyph #accordion.push } pull = -\tweak #'side-axis #X ^\markup { \musicglyph #accordion.pull } \score { \repeat

Re: Doc: NR 4.1.2: Reorganize vertical dimensions. (issue2316042)

2010-10-03 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/2/10 10:50 PM, Joe Neeman joenee...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 8:08 PM, carl.d.soren...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/10/03 02:49:30, Mark Polesky wrote: On 2010/10/02 16:32:06, Carl wrote: I don't think so.  I think 'padding is added as a rigid space interval, hence my

Re: Regression test analysis - 2.13.35

2010-10-03 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/3/10 3:49 PM, Neil Puttock n.putt...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 September 2010 09:57, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: 1) In harp-pedals-sanity-checks.ly we get: +warning: Harp pedal diagram contains dividers at positions (4). Normally, there is only one divider after the third

Re: Regression test analysis - 2.13.35

2010-10-03 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/3/10 5:39 PM, Neil Puttock n.putt...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 October 2010 00:19, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: Is it a bug, or just different ordering of the output?  The warnings are proper, aren't they? Can't we just say the warnings have reversed order, so

Re: obsolete woodwind diagrams in wind.itely

2010-10-04 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/4/10 11:21 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: convert-ly complains about the woodwind diagrams in wind.itely. - if the current material is correct, please bump the @c \version 2.12.0 at the top of the file to 2.13.36 The current version is correct. We didn't update

Re: accordion glyph changes

2010-10-04 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/4/10 11:18 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Is this a good change? Yes. convert-ly should have made these changes automatically, I think. Thanks, Carl ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: attachment points for vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-05 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/5/10 12:09 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: WRT the flexible vertical spacing dimensions, the upper attachment points for 'space and 'minimum-distance currently align with the Y-coordinate of the origin (0,0) of the upper item. For systems this is the middle line of the

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-06 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/6/10 9:46 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: I also think the name 'space is misleading; I propose 'default-distance.  Opinions? So then we'd have, for each item-item-spacing entry default-distance -- the non-stretched distance between the upper item reference point and

Re: Style: disable removal of gratuitous blocks. (issue2380041)

2010-10-06 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/6/10 10:55 AM, percival.music...@gmail.com percival.music...@gmail.com wrote: Reviewers: , Message: Here's two patches (confusingly merged together by git cl :( To avoid that problem in the future, you'll want to have two separate branches (a pain, I know, but it's doable). As

Re: attachment points for vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-06 Thread Carl Sorensen
Mark Polesky: Personally, I think we should add a new variable to control the spacing between a markup and the bottom margin. We could call it bottom-markup-spacing for now, but see this post for my proposed variable renaming: Joe Neeman: This is easy enough to add (and the naming seems

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/7/10 1:44 AM, Alexander Kobel n...@a-kobel.de wrote: On 2010-10-06 17:46, Mark Polesky wrote: I also think the name 'space is misleading; I propose 'default-distance. Opinions? I can't see why 'space should be misleading, but that might just be that I'm accustomed to it by now.

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/7/10 7:51 AM, Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net wrote: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: I think I'd prefer desired-distance to optimal-distance.  optimal distance is what the algorithms actually end up with, as a tradeoff between desired

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/7/10 8:59 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Enough votes are in for 'base-distance (and you can add my vote as well), so I think that settles it.  But I still need people to comment on 1) the patch: http://codereview.appspot.com/2303044 The patch looks fine to me.

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-09 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/9/10 9:46 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: * * * * * * * * * * before-title-spacing applies to these cases: 1) from last system in a score to top-level markup. 2) from last system of one score to scoreTitleMarkup of another score. Within the proposed naming scheme,

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-09 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/9/10 10:52 AM, Joe Neeman joenee...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: On 10/9/10 9:46 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: * * * * * * * * * * before-title-spacing applies to these cases: 1) from last system

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-11 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/10/10 12:56 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Here's an updated patch set for review: http://codereview.appspot.com/2303044/ It's organized into 5 commits on my local branch: 1) Rename vertical spacing dimensions. 2) Update convert-ly (vertical spacing). 3) Run

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/12/10 4:20 PM, Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk wrote: On 12/10/10 14:02, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi James, I still think a *user* (not programmer or code developer) is going to really get frustrated when they don't know what a system is i.e... 'oh you mean the stuff with the

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/12/10 4:27 PM, Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk wrote: On 12/10/10 22:05, Graham Percival wrote: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 02:24:37PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: I'll stop if I am really showing my ignorance (I am not a code developer), I'm afraid you're showing your ignorance as

Re: lilypond-book safe mode

2010-10-12 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/12/10 9:30 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:30:32AM +, Pavel Sanda wrote: please would you consider to accept the patch attached in http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1281 for the next release? Unfortunately our

Re: convert: properly escape some single-backslashes. (issue2401042)

2010-10-12 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/12/10 9:28 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 05:17:44PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: percival.music...@gmail.com wrote in message news:0016e6435382308cfc04925d9...@google.com... On 2010/10/11 18:18:37, dak wrote: python/convertrules.py:2992: _

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-13 Thread Carl Sorensen
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: So my fear is that the new scheme is both strictly logical, and not useful for specifying a coherent document layout. But the new scheme is just a restatement (renaming) of the current scheme. Mark is not trying to *redo* the document layout algorithms;

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-13 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/13/10 8:29 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: So my fear is that the new scheme is both strictly logical, and not useful for specifying a coherent document layout. But the new scheme is just

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-13 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/13/10 2:40 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu writes: On 10/13/10 8:29 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: So my fear is that the new scheme is both strictly

Re: font defects in scripts.varsegno and accordion.push

2010-10-18 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/18/10 9:21 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: I wrote: I've attached fontforge images of two broken glyphs; [...] Werner, Can you open an issue directly on the tracker and post your attachments there? It seems that there ought to be three issues: 1) varsegno 2)

Re: font defects in scripts.varsegno and accordion.push

2010-10-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/19/10 3:48 AM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Am 19.10.2010 11:14, schrieb Werner LEMBERG: So the advice --- The recommended calling sequence of mf2pt1 is mf2pt1 --rounding=0.0001other options font You need mf2pt1 version 2.1 or newer. --- in README should read

Re: font defects in scripts.varsegno and accordion.push

2010-10-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
Here's a patch for the accordion push symbol. I went ahead and changed to a fill of the outline. It would have been simpler if I had just drawn two straight lines: draw z1 -- z2; draw z3 -- z2; This would seem to be allowed by the instructions in README, but I get the sense that

Re: font defects in scripts.varsegno and accordion.push

2010-10-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/19/10 11:19 AM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Am 19.10.2010 12:06, schrieb Carl Sorensen: Actually, it's a lot easier than this. See the attached patch. Um, that's what I tried before, but I still got intersections (which were smaller than before, but still visible

Re: font defects in scripts.varsegno and accordion.push

2010-10-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/19/10 11:19 AM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Um, that's what I tried before, but I still got intersections (which were smaller than before, but still visible in fontforge at 200%), so I had to introduce the tensions. When I applied and tested your patch, there were still grazing

Re: font defects in scripts.varsegno and accordion.push

2010-10-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/19/10 12:52 PM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: Um, that's what I tried before, but I still got intersections (which were smaller than before, but still visible in fontforge at 200%), so I had to introduce the tensions. When I applied and tested your patch, there were still grazing

Re: font defects in scripts.varsegno and accordion.push

2010-10-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/19/10 5:24 PM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: Don't use `penstroke' but `fill'. That was my thought, when looking at the glyph. Find the intersections, and draw the relevant paths for the entire outline and subtract the relevant paths for the holes. This is probably

Re: font defects in scripts.varsegno and accordion.push

2010-10-20 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/20/10 1:59 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: + ... {dir (180 - loopangle)}z7e{dir (180 - loopangle)} This is too much :-) The following + ... z7e{dir (180 - loopangle)} is sufficient. A new patch attached (to preserve tabs for dull mail

Re: spurious 'begin verbatim' in snippet

2010-10-20 Thread Carl Sorensen
Yes, please do. It's probably my mistake. Thanks, Carl On 10/20/10 9:59 AM, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com wrote: Hello. see Customizing fretboard fret diagrams Documentation/snippets/customizing-fretboard-fret-diagrams.ly lines 74 -- 81: doctitle = Customizing fretboard fret

Re: Segfault with define-music-function

2010-10-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/22/10 3:10 AM, Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net wrote: The following code causes a segfault. LilyPond 2.13.36, GNU/Linux x86_64. toto = #(define-music-function (parser location arg) (ly:music?) (display (ly:event-property arg 'name)) (make-sequential-music arg))

Re: chord naming

2010-10-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/22/10 5:08 AM, Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm from Poland and we use here a different chord naming convention: the main difference is that minor chords are written with lowercase and major chords are written with uppercase. I'd like to add this to

Re: Query about sentence in Notation Reference

2010-10-23 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/23/10 3:02 PM, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: James Lowe wrote Saturday, October 23, 2010 8:00 PM While scanning through NR 1.2.2 the last section I came across the line When a multi-measure rest immediately follows a @code{\partial} setting, resulting bar-check

Re: [Patch] Fix #903: Add shortcuts for note names languages. (issue2606042)

2010-10-23 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/23/10 2:54 PM, Valentin Villenave v.villen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:53 AM, carl.d.soren...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carl, I like this idea as a way to get the functionality you want in the short term.  But I don't like it for the long term.  I think the long-term

Re: [Patch] Fix #903: Add shortcuts for note names languages.(issue2606042)

2010-10-23 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/23/10 4:35 PM, Valentin Villenave v.villen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: L.G...T..M Nice approach, Valentin! Now I have no reasonable opposition to this patch! Well, you've just made my day :-) On Sun

Re: font defects in scripts.varsegno and accordion.push

2010-10-23 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/22/10 12:20 PM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Am 20.10.2010 15:30, schrieb Werner LEMBERG: The README also says that we shouldn't apply transformations to fills, but instead transform the path then fill the path. The current varsegno transforms the penstroke, which I think is

Re: Query about @knownissue in Notation Reference

2010-10-23 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/23/10 1:06 PM, James Lowe james.l...@datacore.com wrote: Hello, While scanning through NR 1.2.2 the last section I came across the line in the @KNOWNISSUES section Multi-measure rests do not take part in rest collisions. So what are they considered as when calculating

Re: problematic commit 02fe038744e634b42f1a3377c4f0dc3d25e80344

2010-10-23 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/23/10 7:43 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: - perhaps we should not consider arabic.ly as a language, but rather as an instrument (or music) style, like bagpipes.ly or gregorian.ly. I think that is correct. Thanks, Carl

Re: problematic commit 02fe038744e634b42f1a3377c4f0dc3d25e80344

2010-10-24 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/24/10 6:17 AM, Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net wrote: Better luck next time (if there is a next time, which I doubt)... Don't give up now! The documentation stuff can be worked out -- if you had posted it on Rietveld, Graham would have given you feedback. And now you've

Re: Reorganize language files and add a new \language command. (issue2699041)

2010-10-24 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/24/10 8:17 PM, Valentin Villenave v.villen...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 3:57 AM, carl.d.soren...@gmail.com wrote: Update the \version string in all of these files! Well, I was reluctant to put a minor version number. Do you think putting 2.14.0 would be okay? Then,

FW: [frogs] display-lily.scm question

2010-10-27 Thread Carl Sorensen
Copied from frogs to devel, because I don't think the frog people can answer. Carl -- Forwarded Message From: Ian Hulin i...@hulin.org.uk Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:31:13 -0600 To: Lilypond Frogs List fr...@lilynet.net Conversation: [frogs] display-lily.scm question Subject: [frogs]

Re: (tuplet . around) causes regtests to fail to compile

2010-10-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/27/10 11:32 PM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: However, I do have the original doc-build error, which would presumably be the same problem as the regtest failure: [...] c7/lily-4bb72c87.ly The compilation of this file fails? Which snippet is that? By looking at

Re: (tuplet . around) causes regtests to fail to compile

2010-10-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/28/10 7:54 AM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: On 10/27/10 11:32 PM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: However, I do have the original doc-build error, which would presumably be the same problem as the regtest failure: [...] c7/lily-4bb72c87.ly The compilation

Re: Tablature: proper support for tie/slur- and tie/glissando-constellations (issue2191042)

2010-10-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/28/10 1:54 PM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Am 28.10.2010 14:53, schrieb carl.d.soren...@gmail.com: Currently, I view Scheme engravers as a way for users (and snippets) to add engraver functionality, but not as an optimal way to add core functionality. I understand your argument,

Re: (tuplet . around) causes regtests to fail to compile

2010-10-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/28/10 4:00 PM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: \sourcefilename slur-tuplet.ly But when I manually compile this regtest, I get: [...] success: Compilation successfully completed Honestly, I've suspected that. The question is whether Graham has observed a Heisenbug, or whether

Re: (tuplet . around) causes regtests to fail to compile

2010-10-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/28/10 4:39 PM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: I don't think it's a Heisenburg. The make test fails for me, too. Me too... Very, very strange. Anybody out here who knows enough about the Scheme internals to debug it? I'm currently seeing if I can reproduce it by a single

Re: (tuplet . around) causes regtests to fail to compile

2010-10-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/28/10 4:44 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: On 10/28/10 4:39 PM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: I don't think it's a Heisenburg. The make test fails for me, too. Me too... Very, very strange. Anybody out here who knows enough about the Scheme

Re: Tablature: proper support for tie/slur- and tie/glissando-constellations (issue2191042)

2010-10-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/28/10 4:50 PM, Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net wrote: On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: I would *love* to have a way to document Scheme engravers such that we could include them in the docs, but at present I have no knowledge of how

Re: (tuplet . around) causes regtests to fail to compile

2010-10-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/28/10 4:52 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: On 10/28/10 4:44 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: On 10/28/10 4:39 PM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: I don't think it's a Heisenburg. The make test fails for me, too. Me too... Very, very strange. Anybody out

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-10-29 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/29/10 4:27 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Guys, Here are my proposals for renaming the properties related to Vertical spacing inside systems. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I've thought about it, and I think I slightly favor the term loose line over non-staff

Re: Tablature: proper support for tie/slur- and tie/glissando-constellations (issue2191042)

2010-10-30 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/30/10 3:40 PM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Am 29.10.2010 11:05, schrieb Neil Puttock: On 28 October 2010 23:55, Carl Sorensenc_soren...@byu.edu wrote: Well, as far as I can see, Scheme engravers are really engravers, so they ought to be documented in the IR along with the C++

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-10-31 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/31/10 3:00 PM, Keith E OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote: On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:04:06 -0700, lilypond-devel-requ...@gnu.org wrote: Mark Polesky wrote Friday, October 29, 2010 11:27 PM I've thought about it, and I think I slightly favor the term loose line over non-staff line

Re: Add tab-tie-follow-engraver (issue2723043)

2010-11-01 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/1/10 1:53 AM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Sorry for causing so much trouble. No trouble, Marc. You never need to apologize for working to improve LilyPond! Thanks, Carl ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: PATCH emmentaler's accidentals overridden by euro symbol etc

2010-11-02 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/2/10 2:09 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org wrote: Using a recent LilyPond Emmentaler font on the gnome canvas or pangocairo drawing area, some characters fail to display, such as accidentals.flat (charcode 57626 0xE11A) which is overridden by a euro symbol. Since we're playing in

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-02 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/2/10 2:56 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: (trying to make this as painless as possible...) Renaming proposals, round 2: CURRENT NAME PROPOSED NAME - next-staff staff-staff default-next-staff default-staff-staff

Re: Add tab-tie-follow-engraver (issue2723043)

2010-11-03 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/3/10 6:50 AM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Am 02.11.2010 04:04, schrieb carl.d.soren...@gmail.com: Updated to only acknowledge tab-note-head, not note-head. Makes perfect sense to me. Thanks for your work! You're welcome. Pushed to git. Thanks, Carl

Re: Add tab-tie-follow-engraver (issue2723043)

2010-11-03 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/3/10 12:43 PM, Neil Puttock n.putt...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 November 2010 16:15, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Am 03.11.2010 15:10, schrieb Carl Sorensen: On 11/3/10 6:50 AM, Marc Hohlm...@hohlart.de  wrote: Am 02.11.2010 04:04, schrieb carl.d.soren...@gmail.com

Re: Add tab-tie-follow-engraver (issue2723043)

2010-11-03 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/3/10 10:15 AM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Am 03.11.2010 15:10, schrieb Carl Sorensen: On 11/3/10 6:50 AM, Marc Hohlm...@hohlart.de wrote: Am 02.11.2010 04:04, schrieb carl.d.soren...@gmail.com: Updated to only acknowledge tab-note-head, not note-head

Re: Tied harmonics in tablature - tracker issue

2010-11-03 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/3/10 9:34 AM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Am 03.11.2010 15:11, schrieb Carl Sorensen: On 11/3/10 7:03 AM, Marc Hohlm...@hohlart.de wrote: Hello list, hello Valentin (I think you are the master of the tracker), Federico Bruni raised this issue long ago, see http

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-03 Thread Carl Sorensen
-groupedstaff]. Trevor, after some consideration, I'm afraid I'm not so much in favor of groupedstaff-groupedstaff (or it's shorter cousin). They too strongly suggest the possibility of this: [last staff of group] - [first staff of next group] Carl Sorensen wrote: I just thought of a c

Re: Add tab-tie-follow-engraver (issue2723043)

2010-11-03 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/3/10 5:52 PM, n.putt...@gmail.com n.putt...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/11/03 23:14:47, Carl wrote: I think I'd probably go a bit farther. What if we acknowledged ties, slurs, and glissandos (glissandi?) in the Tab_note_head_engraver and set the desired properties there. Which

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/5/10 7:26 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: I repeat: do you (not necessarily David, but anybody) agree that an OSS project can, in theory, have some kind of private mailing list? I believe that private mailing lists for an OSS project are useful and that LilyPond

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/5/10 7:49 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 07:36:42AM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote: I don't think it's worth delaying 2.14 in order to debate either of these questions. Can't we just note that the debate exists, perhaps add it to our list

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/5/10 8:15 AM, Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net wrote: On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: Great!  Let's move on, OK?  If Valentin wants to patch the documentation, then he can propose a patch.  The same applies to anyone else who wants

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/5/10 9:37 AM, Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net wrote: On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: As far as I know, I'm not a member of -hackers.  I get a not-found error whenever I click on any of the links. I don't have any emails from

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-05 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/5/10 11:40 AM, Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net wrote: On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: 2) Any description of the history may be irrelevant to the future Is it for us to decide? Nope. And it's impossible for anybody to decide until

Re: solved: reference points for non-staff lines

2010-11-05 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/5/10 5:17 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: In case anyone cares, I finally was able to determine the reference points for the individual non-staff lines. Here they are: CONTEXT REFERENCE POINT --- --- ChordNamesbaseline NoteNames

Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key

2010-11-06 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/6/10 11:32 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: 7 proposals for renaming the 'space alist-key have been discussed, but a decision has not yet been made. And I just added an 8th proposal (initial-distance). To recap, I think the arguments *for* each of these are mostly

Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key

2010-11-06 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/6/10 5:38 PM, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: Mark Polesky wrote Saturday, November 06, 2010 5:32 PM 7) basic-distance 8) initial-distance I vote for either 7 or 8. What about you? 9) initial-separation * longer but describes the meaning more accurately now

Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key

2010-11-06 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/6/10 6:46 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Carl Sorensen wrote: 9) initial-separation * longer but describes the meaning more accurately now we have an item-item-spacing format I vote for 8 or 9. 9. Does this entail changing 'minimum-distance to 'minimum

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-06 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/6/10 7:17 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Okay, it looks like we're converging here... Renaming proposals, round 4: CURRENT NAME PROPOSED NAME - next-staff staff-staff default-next-staff default-staff-staff

Re: [Patch] Fix #1365: convert-ly shouldn't remove Dynamics performergroup

2010-11-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/7/10 6:50 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 12:26:59PM -, Trevor Daniels wrote: Valentin Villenave wrote Sunday, November 07, 2010 10:35 AM I'm not sure if we've ever used convert-ly to insert comments in .ly files, but I do think we

Re: [Patch] Fix #1365: convert-ly shouldn't remove Dynamics performergroup

2010-11-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/7/10 7:07 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 12:50:20PM +, Graham Percival wrote: The normal method would be for convert-ly to print a warning message to the console. Why is this Dynamics thing so different from previous changes? Another

Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key

2010-11-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/7/10 1:03 PM, Patrick McCarty pnor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: All right, hopefully everyone here won't mind one last vote, so please state your preference among the following:        SPACE          MINIMUM-DISTANCE  

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/7/10 9:52 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Mark Polesky wrote: Okay, I think enough votes are in to finalize the most recent proposal: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-11/msg00137.html I almost forgot... Can we have one last vote among these two

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/7/10 7:24 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: You guys are going to *hate* me for doing this, but I just thought of a way to keep the StaffGrouper grobs consistent with each other. Instead of these two: withingroup-staff-staff-spacing staffgroup-staff-spacing Keep

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-08 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/8/10 1:14 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Keith E OHara wrote: We will use this in context that makes that first qualifier almost redundant : \override Context.StaffGrouper #'withingroup-staff-staff-spacing This is an excellent point, and in response I'd like to

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-08 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/8/10 9:34 PM, Keith E OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote: On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 11:14:11 -0800, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Similarly, I think the two 'staff-staff-spacing properties would be intuitive and easy enough to keep separate, mentally: % space between

Re: no \paper variables in IR?

2010-11-10 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/10/10 9:05 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: The \paper variables are completely absent from the IR. Shouldn't they be included in an internals reference? I assume so. Let's open a tracker issue Carl ___ lilypond-devel

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