Re: Appending minor chords with "sus2/sus4"

2021-07-13 Thread Brent Annable
Lukas, Aaaah, that makes sense. As a classical stiff I just assumed that suspensions resolve downwards by default, so the 2 was in fact a suspended tonic, not a suspended third. And since the minor third is already present in the chord I'm dealing with, I think I'll just change it to Gm add9. Tha

Re: Appending minor chords with "sus2/sus4"

2021-07-12 Thread Robin Bannister
Brent Annable wrote: Hi all, I'm currently adding chords to some music, and I can't seem to find anywhere how to create a "Gmsus2" chord name. [..] I feel like I'm just missing something, is there an easy way to display this chord type? See the discussion here: https://lists.gnu.org/arc

Re: Appending minor chords with "sus2/sus4"

2021-07-12 Thread Lukas-Fabian Moser
Hi Brent, I'm currently adding chords to some music, and I can't seem to find anywhere how to create a "Gmsus2" chord name. When I type "g:msus2" lilypond freaks out, and as far as I can tell, this particular combination of a minor chord with an added suspension never appears in the documenta

Appending minor chords with "sus2/sus4"

2021-07-12 Thread Brent Annable
Hi all, I'm currently adding chords to some music, and I can't seem to find anywhere how to create a "Gmsus2" chord name. When I type "g:msus2" lilypond freaks out, and as far as I can tell, this particular combination of a minor chord with an added suspension never appears in the documentation (a

Re: MusicXML2Ly: Problem with minor chords

2016-08-25 Thread David Kastrup
Jacques Menu Muzhic writes: >> Le 17 août 2016 à 21:26, David Kastrup a écrit: >> >> Johan Vromans writes: >> >>> David Kastrup wrote: >>> ... the change to let c:5 exclude the third was introduced as late as version 2.19.28). >>> >>> Does that mean that there are no (regression)

Re: MusicXML2Ly: Problem with minor chords

2016-08-19 Thread Jacques Menu Muzhic
BTW, how are such regression tests devised and organized? JM > Le 17 août 2016 à 21:26, David Kastrup a écrit : > > Johan Vromans writes: > >> David Kastrup wrote: >> >>> ... the change to let >>> c:5 exclude the third was introduced as late as version 2.19.28). >> >> Does that mean that t

Re: MusicXML2Ly: Problem with minor chords

2016-08-17 Thread David Kastrup
Johan Vromans writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > >> ... the change to let >> c:5 exclude the third was introduced as late as version 2.19.28). > > Does that mean that there are no (regression)tests for musicxml2ly? Probably not enough. -- David Kastrup _

Re: MusicXML2Ly: Problem with minor chords

2016-08-17 Thread Johan Vromans
David Kastrup wrote: > ... the change to let > c:5 exclude the third was introduced as late as version 2.19.28). Does that mean that there are no (regression)tests for musicxml2ly? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu

Re: MusicXML2Ly: Problem with minor chords

2016-08-17 Thread Johan Vromans
On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 14:15:02 +0200 David Kastrup wrote: > Well, musicxml2ly.py presumably also generates a \version header, and > running convert-ly on the resulting file possibly fixes a number of > those problems (even though it complicates the rules, the change to let > c:5 exclude the third w

Re: MusicXML2Ly: Problem with minor chords

2016-08-17 Thread David Kastrup
Johan Vromans writes: > Johan Vromans wrote: > >> is translated into >> >> d:m5 >> >> and apparently not understood -- lilypond renders it as a major D chord >> without warning. > > The code in musicxml2ly.py does, indeed, generate :m5 for minor. > > Surprisingly, the NR, A.2 Common chord mo

Re: MusicXML2Ly: Problem with minor chords

2016-08-17 Thread Johan Vromans
Johan Vromans wrote: > is translated into > > d:m5 > > and apparently not understood -- lilypond renders it as a major D chord > without warning. The code in musicxml2ly.py does, indeed, generate :m5 for minor. Surprisingly, the NR, A.2 Common chord modifiers, reads: Major Major third,

MusicXML2Ly: Problem with minor chords

2016-08-16 Thread Johan Vromans
Hi, In the attached XML, the minor D chord D minor is translated into d:m5 and apparently not understood -- lilypond renders it as a major D chord without warning. Dm(maj7) becomes d:maj7m5. A similar thing happens to half-diminished chords

Re: minor chords

2014-07-10 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 22:03:49 -0400 Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi Simon (et al.), > > > I think this is one of the few questions where it’s really > > difficult to establish a standard. > > Agreed. > It’s the one big disappointment that I have in Gould’s > engraving book: she doesn’t even address

Re: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic)

2014-03-22 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 22.03.2014 11:01, schrieb Anthony: Well, I've put in a fair bit of time and effort over the years. The problem, as always, is finding time to play, and also remembering what worked last time :-) Many moons ago, I proofread the entire main manual about three times! I've dug into the code and

Re: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic)

2014-03-22 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Anthony Youngman" To: "Kieren MacMillan" ; Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 1:45 AM Subject: Re: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic) Oh - and sorry Phil, "page-count = 1" didn't work. Although ii

Re: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic)

2014-03-22 Thread Anthony
On 22/03/2014 07:50, Simon Albrecht wrote: Am 22.03.2014 02:45, schrieb Anthony Youngman: And I don't tend to dig deep into all the "esoteric" settings - there are so many of them that I don't understand, that I tend to shy away from them. I shouldn't, but I'd rather just use standard bells an

Re: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic)

2014-03-22 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 22.03.2014 02:45, schrieb Anthony Youngman: And I don't tend to dig deep into all the "esoteric" settings - there are so many of them that I don't understand, that I tend to shy away from them. I shouldn't, but I'd rather just use standard bells and whistles - when I need to use all sorts of

Re: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic)

2014-03-21 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Wol, >> \override Score.NonMusicalPaperColumn.line-break-permission = ##f > m not met that. > > My first reaction though, is why would what appears to be a line-break > setting affect the number of pages? Sorry — should have been \override Score.NonMusicalPaperColumn.page-break-perm

Re: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic)

2014-03-21 Thread Anthony Youngman
On 19/03/14 18:13, Kieren MacMillan wrote: >> there is no setting that says "force everything onto one page, beauty be >> damned" > > Does > > \override Score.NonMusicalPaperColumn.line-break-permission = ##f > > not work for you? > > Cheers, Kieren. m not met that. My first reactio

RE: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic)

2014-03-19 Thread Kieren MacMillan
> there is no setting that says "force everything onto one page, beauty be > damned" Does \override Score.NonMusicalPaperColumn.line-break-permission = ##f not work for you? Cheers, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mai

Re: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic)

2014-03-19 Thread Phil Burfitt
- Original Message - From: "Anthony" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:34 PM Subject: Re: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic) On 17/03/2014 10:40, Robert Schmaus wrote: But there's another thing that surprises me in this discussion: I alway

Re: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic)

2014-03-19 Thread Anthony
On 17/03/2014 10:40, Robert Schmaus wrote: But there's another thing that surprises me in this discussion: I always thought that Lilypond is mainly being used and intended for "classical" (exact) music. I think it's always been intended to produce "beautiful music for any usage requirement". Th

Re: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic)

2014-03-17 Thread David Kastrup
Robert Schmaus writes: > Oh, I'm sorry. I was looking into the problem some months ago and > found a email correspondence between David kastrup and others about > the removal of the "accepts" technique. I have never seen that it was > later replaced by this new command. There is no new command.

Re: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic)

2014-03-17 Thread Robert Schmaus
Oh, I'm sorry. I was looking into the problem some months ago and found a email correspondence between David kastrup and others about the removal of the "accepts" technique. I have never seen that it was later replaced by this new command. My apologies! Also for sending an accidental reply ju

Re: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic)

2014-03-17 Thread David Kastrup
Robert Schmaus writes: > - > Von meinem Fliewatüüt gesendet. [full-quote without content elided] I think Jazz musicians really should get off the habit of only writing - when it would be so much easier to get their meaning if they were just a bit more verbose. -- David Kastrup __

Re: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic)

2014-03-17 Thread Robert Schmaus
- Von meinem Fliewatüüt gesendet. > On 17 Mar 2014, at 11:57, David Kastrup wrote: > > Robert Schmaus writes: > >> So, again, it boils down to whatever works. There's no standard to >> this, and frankly, I've never experienced that as a problem. Jazz >> music is improvised music, and I don't

Re: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic)

2014-03-17 Thread David Kastrup
Robert Schmaus writes: > So, again, it boils down to whatever works. There's no standard to > this, and frankly, I've never experienced that as a problem. Jazz > music is improvised music, and I don't know a jazz musician who has > problems "improvising" here as well. Everyone has different > pre

Re: minor chords (and a possible transition to a new topic)

2014-03-17 Thread Robert Schmaus
So, again, it boils down to whatever works. There's no standard to this, and frankly, I've never experienced that as a problem. Jazz music is improvised music, and I don't know a jazz musician who has problems "improvising" here as well. Everyone has different preferences, sure, but problems rea

Re: minor chords

2014-03-17 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 17.03.2014 01:45, schrieb Jim Long: I understand the Cmi7, too, but when sketching some chords on paper during a Jazz session, a simple "-" is way faster to write than "mi" all the way. So it's rather a matter of personal taste IMHO. Just my 2 cents Marc With great respect, I beg to add,

Re: minor chords

2014-03-16 Thread David Kastrup
Jim Long writes: > Beware of "shortcuts" which are for the benefit of the writer. > IMO, engraving decisions should be made for the benefit of the > reader. To some degree, we can separate those with LilyPond, but there is something to be said for human-readable source code as well. -- David K

Re: minor chords

2014-03-16 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi Simon (et al.), > >> I think this is one of the few questions where it’s really difficult >> to establish a standard. > > Agreed. > It’s the one big disappointment that I have in Gould’s engraving book: > she doesn’t even address the subject at all!! > >> Plus: there

Re: minor chords

2014-03-16 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Jim (et al.), > engraving decisions should be made for the benefit of the reader. +1 Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: minor chords

2014-03-16 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Simon (et al.), > I think this is one of the few questions where it’s really difficult to > establish a standard. Agreed. It’s the one big disappointment that I have in Gould’s engraving book: she doesn’t even address the subject at all!! > Plus: there’s still some leap between the lilypond

Re: minor chords

2014-03-16 Thread Jim Long
> I understand the Cmi7, too, but when sketching > some chords on paper during a Jazz session, a simple "-" is > way faster to write than "mi" all the way. > > So it's rather a matter of personal taste IMHO. > > Just my 2 cents > > Marc With great respect, I beg to add, Beware of "shortcuts" w

Re: minor chords

2014-03-16 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 17.03.2014 00:15, schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Hi Simon, I’m under the impression that this debate is very old, widespread and unlikely to end in onemindedness True. so it’s just advisable to provide different options, which will let everyone have his will That doesn’t logically follow!

Re: minor chords

2014-03-16 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Simon, > I’m under the impression that this debate is very old, widespread and > unlikely to end in onemindedness True. > so it’s just advisable to provide different options, which will let everyone > have his will That doesn’t logically follow! :) Well-considered and concensus- (if not t

Re: minor chords

2014-03-16 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 16.03.2014 17:52, schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Hi, I wonder why the notation of minor as lowercase seems to be only known in German folk circles … It’s known here, too — at least in my circles — but avoided, mostly because at a glance it can be hard to tell c from C. =) As in all notation,

Re: minor chords

2014-03-16 Thread David Kastrup
Henning Hraban Ramm writes: > I wonder why the notation of minor as lowercase seems to be only known > in German folk circles ... > (I’m glad I could nag some of you long enough to make it possible in > LilyPond.) Well, it's usefulness is limited as soon as you count the accordion as a folk ins

Re: minor chords

2014-03-16 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi, > I wonder why the notation of minor as lowercase seems to be only known in > German folk circles … It’s known here, too — at least in my circles — but avoided, mostly because at a glance it can be hard to tell c from C. =) As in all notation, ambiguity is to be avoided at all costs. Chee

Re: minor chords

2014-03-16 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
I wonder why the notation of minor as lowercase seems to be only known in German folk circles ... (I’m glad I could nag some of you long enough to make it possible in LilyPond.) Greetlings, Hraban --- fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm http://www.fiee.net http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/ https://

Re: minor chords

2014-03-16 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, > Personally, I use "-" for minor chords, and add a superscript triangle-7 I find the triangle to be less well-known in the circles in which I travel — mostly music theatre, but also some jazzers (n.b., most, of course, are familiar with the triangle notation). The best

Re: minor chords

2014-03-16 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014, David Raleigh Arnold wrote: Minus for minor is a horrible idea. It's also old fashioned and abandoned even by the "Real Book". What do you mean by "the" Real Book? I have a copy of the original Real Book. It uses the "-" for minor. I tried to exactly recreate an old Rea

Re: minor chords

2014-03-16 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 16.03.2014 04:36, schrieb David Raleigh Arnold: On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 17:19:28 +0100 (CET) Martin Tarenskeen wrote: Hi, [...] Minus for minor is a horrible idea. It's also old fashioned and abandoned even by the "Real Book". I don't want to start a philosophical discussion about pros an

Re: minor chords

2014-03-15 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
gle. I have found > in the manual how to do that. > > I also want to use a minus sign for minor chords. e.g. "C-" > instead of "Cm". How can I achieve that? > Minus for minor is a horrible idea. It's also old fashioned and abandoned even by the "Rea

Re: minor chords

2014-03-14 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014, Adam Spiers wrote: Luckily for you, I implemented that option in LilyPond a while ago :) \chordmode { \set minorChordModifier = \markup { "-" } ... Thanks! I was searching an older manual. -- MT ___ lilypond

Re: minor chords

2014-03-14 Thread Adam Spiers
On 14 March 2014 16:19, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: > I also want to use a minus sign for minor chords. e.g. "C-" instead of "Cm". > How can I achieve that? Luckily for you, I implemented that option in LilyPond a while ago :) \chordmode { \set mi

minor chords

2014-03-14 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
Hi, I am working on a leadsheet (melody and chords) which is a job I don't do very often. I want to print maj7 chordnames using "maj7" or "Maj7" instead of the default triangle. I have found in the manual how to do that. I also want to use a minus sign for minor cho

Re: Dash instead of 'm' for minor chords

2006-07-03 Thread Shamus
Thibaut Chevalier wrote: > However, i had to write this complicated markup to obtain a correct "7 / > b5" > for semi-diminished chords (instead of the dashed circle). > > -\markup { "-" \super {7/ \hspace #0.2 \teeny {\raise > #0.3 \flat} 5} }% C dashed circle -> C-7/5b > > It seems that

Re: Dash instead of 'm' for minor chords

2006-07-03 Thread Paul Scott
Thibaut Chevalier wrote: Thanks, it works great ! I personnally prefer the minus sign which is a little shorter. However, i had to write this complicated markup to obtain a correct "7 / b5" for semi-diminished chords (instead of the dashed circle). -\markup { "-" \super {7/ \hspace #0.2 \

Re: Dash instead of 'm' for minor chords

2006-07-03 Thread Thibaut Chevalier
Thanks, it works great ! I personnally prefer the minus sign which is a little shorter. However, i had to write this complicated markup to obtain a correct "7 / b5" for semi-diminished chords (instead of the dashed circle). -    \markup { "-" \super {7/ \hspace #0.2 \teeny {\raise #0.3 \flat} 5}

Re: Dash instead of 'm' for minor chords

2006-06-29 Thread Vicente Solsona
I use the same system as Shamus, but I use the dash simbol instad the minus symbol, because I find it to be a bit more polite. So I have then: jazzyChordsMusic = { 1-\markup {#(ly:export (ly:wide-char->utf-8 #x2013))} % Cm -> C- % and so on... } I have jazzyChordsMusic and jazzyChordsAdd i

Re: Dash instead of 'm' for minor chords

2006-06-29 Thread Shamus
Hi! > Is there a way to get a dash (-) instead of m for minor chords in chordmode > notation ? > > Thanks for any bright solution I don't know if it's bright or not, but short of going into the appropriate .scm file and changing the "m" there to

Dash instead of 'm' for minor chords

2006-06-29 Thread Thibaut Chevalier
Hi there,Is there a way to get a dash (-) instead of m for minor chords in chordmode notation ?I found there is a special property to change the maj7 triangle to whatever we want, but is there nothing for the 'm' ? The dash is widely used, in jazz at least, that's too bad if it it