2013/12/2 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org
Wouldn't it make sense to integrate the bend stuff into LilyPond? That
would make it easier to match versions and behavior.
I think that it would be great.
I've never used it much because of version conflicts and because I hoped
that 1196 would have been
2013/12/2 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com writes:
it's because grace-notes are beamed per default with 2.17.96.
Change the example to
\bendGrace { \preBendRelease c8( \noBeam d)( } c2) r2
or better the definition of 'preBendRelease' to
Wouldn't it make
Hello,
I have not used command line for several years. Now I'd like to use
musicxml2ly, and have forgotten how I invoked it in 2008. I first run cmd.exe
on XP, changing to d:\my documents, then musicxml2ly overture.xml. But the
prompt said that musicxml2ly is not an internal or external
Eluze wrote
胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng wrote
I have not used command line for several years. Now I'd like to use
musicxml2ly, and have forgotten how I invoked it in 2008. I first run
cmd.exe on XP, changing to d:\my documents, then musicxml2ly
overture.xml. But the prompt said that musicxml2ly is
Hi all,
a very important discussion! A couple thoughts:
2013/12/1 Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com:
LP came out in the midst of other packages that already existed. As a
result, it is fighting for marketshare in a relatively mature market.
Granted, it is possible to overcome this
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 1:31 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
SoundsFromSound soundsfromso...@gmail.com writes:
The biggest complaint I've heard from many of my peers (when it comes
to possibly switching from Finale/Sibelius) is that LilyPond looks
like way too much work and Text
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm lilypon...@fiee.netwrote:
I guess „we“ have a chance in combination with TeX, i.e. at universities
etc. where TeX is in broad use, since the approach and needed expertise is
similar.
Good luck with that, at least if my university was any
Hi all,
this is quite a different subject from the promoting LilyPond stuff,
so i separated this thread.
2013/12/1 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
Kieren wrote:
Result? Not a single successful convert [to Lily] to date.
I think Frescobaldi with its templates would likely be helpful.
Possibly
On 01/12/13 15:09, immanuel litzroth wrote:
1) I don't seem to run into many of these problems with lilypond and I do
transcriptions of small ensembles *and* export all
the voices separately (that's including drums) -- I almost never have to clean
up for readability issues, and don't have the
Picking up on a comment of Kieren's, which I think doesn't need to hijack
David's financial support thread...
I find LilyPond's model of time to be the most inconvenient aspect of the
input format -- so inconvenient that it alone may be enough to drive people
away.
Time is represented
Hi,
I believe first impressions are important, and I think that LilyPond lets
itself down here. After installing LilyPond, a new user will discover a new
icon on their desktop. They'll double click on it, and what do they
get?a sort-of read me file (it's LilyPad, but you wouldn't know
胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng wrote
I have not used command line for several years. Now I'd like to use
musicxml2ly, and have forgotten how I invoked it in 2008. I first run
cmd.exe on XP, changing to d:\my documents, then musicxml2ly overture.xml.
But the prompt said that musicxml2ly is not an internal
2) The contention was that this stuff would be easier in Sibelius. Not
that you
can get it right there too.
Sibelius doesn't get things automatically right as well as Lilypond does,
but it's usually much, much easier to correct or customize them when it
doesn't give you what you want,
Phil Burfitt phil.burf...@talktalk.net writes:
I believe first impressions are important, and I think that LilyPond
lets itself down here. After installing LilyPond, a new user will
discover a new icon on their desktop. They'll double click on it, and
what do they get?a sort-of read me
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes:
2013/12/1 Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca:
Urs wrote:
Most people I tried to persuade simply said this isn't my cup of tea,
I'm not a programmer”.
THAT is the main problem right there — one we are likely never to
overcome, as
Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com writes:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 1:31 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
Well, I'd argue that a mouse makes absolutely no sense for music input.
A practised typist can write several hundred words per minute and keep
this up for quite a long time.
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Phil Burfitt phil.burf...@talktalk.net wrote:
So often people after buying a new shiny thingy, open the box, plug
it in, and only after numerous failed attempts to get it to work,
decide to read the manual
Well
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From: Janek Warchoł [mailto:janek.lilyp...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 8:50 AM
To: LilyPond Users; Jan Nieuwenhuizen; David Kastrup; Urs Liska; Noeck;
Kieren MacMillan; Joseph Wakeling; Benjamin CL; Richard Shann
Subject: improving LilyPond
Am 2013-12-02 um 20:56 schrieb James Harkins jamshar...@gmail.com:
Now let's say that we don't live in a perfect world and I didn't write
everything in perfect form on paper before engraving. Then I decide that one
2/4 bar should actually be 3/4. So now I have to change s2 to s2. in the
There seems to be an error in the manual (perhaps a hold over from older
version). I'm getting two problems on section 4.3.1 and elsewhere. This kind
of notation:
\override BarLine.stencil = ##f
gives me an error. I need to use
\override BarLine #'stencil = ##f
instead, but a number of the
On 2013-12-02 18:11, Jason Yust wrote:
There seems to be an error in the manual (perhaps a hold over from older
version). I'm getting two problems on section 4.3.1 and elsewhere. This kind
of notation:
\override BarLine.stencil = ##f
gives me an error. I need to use
\override BarLine
I'm a retired school teacher, I know some C++, I'd be happy to help out
with dev if I can, though I may not know enough, but would be willing to
try. I know some c++ and lisp/scheme and music theory. I have a Windows 7
laptop, Netbeans for C++ dev. Let me know if there may be ways to help out
R.D. Latimer rdlati...@gmail.com writes:
I'm a retired school teacher, I know some C++, I'd be happy to help
out with dev if I can, though I may not know enough, but would be
willing to try. I know some c++ and lisp/scheme and music theory. I
have a Windows 7 laptop, Netbeans for C++ dev.
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From: Renato renn...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 4:49 PM
I mean, lilypond is text-editor + command-line by design
Of course, but what it the point of invoking a command prompt that _doesn't
work_ when clicking on the lilypond icon (the view from a
Phil Burfitt phil.burf...@talktalk.net writes:
From: Renato renn...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 4:49 PM
I mean, lilypond is text-editor + command-line by design
Of course, but what it the point of invoking a command prompt that
_doesn't work_ when clicking on the lilypond
A friend of mine, who is a long time Finale user, asked me today:
Does LilyPond allow you to use programming languages like Lua for scripting
or functions to expand its capabilities? That's one of the things I love
about Finale nowadays.
I was not sure how to answer. Does LilyPond have any
Answer him that
A)
Lilypond does have its builtin extension language, and that this is so
intertwined with LilyPond's internal working that it allows to do _very_ much,
surely more and more fundamental than any scripting engine.
B)
As LP input files are plain you can use _any_ programming
This is incredibly impressive.
Piaras's implementation of an allow-interrupt-engraver provides a more or
less drop-in solution for this difficult technique.
From the .ly attachment:
\new Staff \with {
\consists #allow-interrupt-engraver
}
What're are the chances that an
SoundsFromSound soundsfromso...@gmail.com writes:
A friend of mine, who is a long time Finale user, asked me today:
Does LilyPond allow you to use programming languages like Lua for scripting
or functions to expand its capabilities? That's one of the things I love
about Finale nowadays.
2013/12/2 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org:
B)
As LP input files are plain you can use _any_ programming language to
modify, analyze or even generate LilyPond input files.
You may show him this post:
http://lilypondblog.org/2013/07/programmatically-generating-lilypond-input/
(or some other from
David Kastrup wrote
SoundsFromSound lt;
soundsfromsound@
gt; writes:
A friend of mine, who is a long time Finale user, asked me today:
Does LilyPond allow you to use programming languages like Lua for
scripting
or functions to expand its capabilities? That's one of the things I love
Urs Liska wrote:
Answer him that
...
As LP input files are plain you can use _any_ programming
language to modify ... or even generate LilyPond input files.
This is a nod to Urs's word _any_. All my scores are made via LP.
But each LP input file is made by a program I've written either in J
On Dec 2, 2013, at 2:11 PM, PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote:
Urs Liska wrote:
Answer him that
...
As LP input files are plain you can use _any_ programming
language to modify ... or even generate LilyPond input files.
This is a nod to Urs's word _any_. All my scores are made via
Am 02.12.2013 23:34, schrieb Curt:
I've written perl scripts that generate lilypond snippets to include in
Anki decks for self-study of jazz theory. There's all kinds of crazy
programming people can do with Lilypond.
Curt
How are Anki decks/cards stored, can they be somehow be edited in a
Hi all,
can you tell me about your experiences with smaller staff sizes?
When I started using LilyPond I was impressed by the default look and
feel of the scores. Rather often I felt the need to fit more music on
the page, and for a beginner the most natural (and probably only) way to
Urs Liska wrote
Am 02.12.2013 23:34, schrieb Curt:
I've written perl scripts that generate lilypond snippets to include in
Anki decks for self-study of jazz theory. There's all kinds of crazy
programming people can do with Lilypond.
Curt
How are Anki decks/cards stored, can they be
- Original Message -
From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:11 PM
Wouldn't it be far better after installing lilypond, to present the
user with a cut down tutorial and usage instructions in a read-me
file, and two desktop icons/shortcuts...one for this
Urs Liska ul at openlilylib.org writes:
When I started using LilyPond I was impressed by the default look and
feel of the scores. Rather often I felt the need to fit more music on
the page, and for a beginner the most natural (and probably only) way to
achieve this is to globally reduce
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Phil Burfitt phil.burf...@talktalk.netwrote:
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:11 PM
Wouldn't it be far better after installing lilypond, to present the
user with a cut down tutorial and usage
Am 03.12.2013 00:22, schrieb Keith OHara:
Urs Liska ul at openlilylib.org writes:
When I started using LilyPond I was impressed by the default look and
feel of the scores. Rather often I felt the need to fit more music on
the page, and for a beginner the most natural (and probably only) way to
2013/12/3 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org:
Am 03.12.2013 00:22, schrieb Keith OHara:
I know that you know that LilyPond does not simply scale down the lines
and fonts, but uses relatively heavier weights at the smaller staff-sizes.
It sounds like you feel the effect should be stronger.
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Phil Burfitt phil.burf...@talktalk.net wrote:
you don't really get around these programs without reading docs
(and you shouldn't try to make it easy).
I disagree with you shouldn't try to make it easy.
what I
James Harkins jamshark70 at gmail.com writes:
Time is represented exclusively in terms of Inter-Onset Intervals
[i.e. durations]. This is great for streams of events, but perfectly
wretched for multiple streams that must coordinate.
Example: Suppose I'm writing an orchestral piece with, oh,
David Kastrup dak at gnu.org writes:
LilyPond's strengths are what it is able to do automatically:
transpositions, partial partitures, catering to different page formats,
fast adaption to different orchestras... Your score is _malleable_.
LilyPond excels at *vertical* malleability, but it's
This is *exactly* why I've been playing/experimenting with GUI
backends/frontends since 2004. If you haven't done so, please have
a look at Schikkers List
http://lilypond.org/schikkers
This looks really cool! (Has it improved a lot or is the html5 demo new,
compared to last year? The
Curt wrote:
On Dec 2, 2013, at 2:11 PM, PMApeterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote:
...All my scores are made via LP.
But each LP input file is made by a program I've written either in J
(descendant superset of APL) or in good old BASH -- roughly as
far apart as programming languages get.
Ha - I'd
Invoking lilypond-book allows me to generate HTML with lilypond tags into
HTML with PNG images. I've got that bit down. But is there a way to embed
the MIDI into the document? Using \midi with generate the midi file but it
doesn't embed it into the HTML document.
Also, on a less important matter,
I've laid low because I'm still new enough that I don't have much to contribute
unless it is a question, but here I might actually have something to say:
On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:00, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
Again, I don't think the no money aspect should be a primary selling
point.
I
Keith OHara k-ohara5a5a at oco.net writes:
Of course specifying time in terms of durations is more convenient
than specifying absolute time, or we would need to change every
following note when we insert a few measures.
Assuming that durations and absolute time are the only two options. I'm
On Dec 2, 2013 9:40 PM, James Harkins jamshar...@gmail.com wrote:
Keith OHara k-ohara5a5a at oco.net writes:
Of course specifying time in terms of durations is more convenient
than specifying absolute time, or we would need to change every
following note when we insert a few measures.
Hi James (et al.),
If you insert a bar, you'd have to change R1*32 to R1*33 by hand. Or, if you
change the 10th out of the 32 bars into a 3/4 measure, I believe you would
then have to change R1*32 to R1*9 R2. R1*22 -- highly error prone.
\pushToTag was designed (by David K, and paid for in
On 3 December 2013 13:18, PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote:
I program in J almost exclusively, since the pursuit of my brainstorms
(music-bound or not) tends to favor handy ad-hoc number crunching.
+1 but with Lua. I’ve done some useful things.
Alternatives are Frescobaldi snippets if you
James Harkins jamshark70 at gmail.com writes:
Keith OHara k-ohara5a5a at oco.net writes:
If we had an easy way to enter a duration of until-X, then ability to
place the next note X comes naturally. Sometimes 'X' is the end of
the entire piece. Would that ease the difficulties mentioned
Noeck writes:
http://lilypond.org/schikkers
This looks really cool! (Has it improved a lot or is the html5 demo new,
compared to last year? The last time I looked, it didn't work for me)
Thanks. I found some time this spring and it improved a lot. I haven't
had any time to work on it
2013/12/3 Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de
This is *exactly* why I've been playing/experimenting with GUI
backends/frontends since 2004. If you haven't done so, please have
a look at Schikkers List
http://lilypond.org/schikkers
This looks really cool! (Has it improved a lot or is the
2013/12/2 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com
2013/12/2 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org
Wouldn't it make sense to integrate the bend stuff into LilyPond? That
would make it easier to match versions and behavior.
I think that it would be great.
I've never used it much because of version
Federico Bruni writes:
It was hosted on github years ago, but now I see that last update is 3 years
ago.
Yes.
The demo is not working on Chromium 31.0.1650.57
It was down. Please try again?
Jan
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On Mon, 2 Dec 2013, Garrett McGilvray wrote:
The reason that I came back for a second try was not that it was free,
since I had already paid for the real thing. I don't remember what
made me think of it, but I remembered the essay on LilyPond's goal of
superior engraving, and I decided to
Hi Keith (et al.),
Instead of specifying an offset from a rehearsal mark, maybe simpler to
have an independent type of marker to put in the \global stream. Then
the entries of the parts are visible all at once in \global
global = { R1*32 \markA R1*30 \markervln34 R1*18 \markB }
In what way
Although it might look strange, I think that fair comparison depends of the
intended use. For advanced users, of course, a finely tuned score of each
software would give better idea of possible end result. But, for a lot of
users who don't need (or want or know how) those refinements and the
Am 03.12.2013 08:23, schrieb flup2:
Although it might look strange, I think that fair comparison depends of the
intended use. For advanced users, of course, a finely tuned score of each
software would give better idea of possible end result. But, for a lot of
users who don't need (or want or
There seems to be a bug - see attached screenshot. Key signatures are
inserted always as if in treble clef rather than appropriate to the
selected clef.
--
Mark Knoop
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