Re: chord symbol styling

[Noeck]

Hi,

> For some reason, font-size seems to have a minimum.  Value "1" seems to
> be the minimum, and anything below that (e.g., 0.1) seems to be rounded
> up to 1.  I could be wrong.

No, you can see the size as an exponent if you like. These sizes are
not: 8pt, 12pt and similar but you can also have 0 or negative numbers.
0.1 is just quite close to 1 (and closer to 0). If you like it really
small choose -4 or so.

Cheers,
Joram

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Re: chord symbol styling

[Bric]

On 10/27/2015 12:05 AM, tisimst wrote:

\override ChordName #'font-size = #2
 \override ChordName #'font-family = #'roman
 \override ChordName #'font-series = #'bold 


wonderful! it works.   Including ChordName.color

For some reason, font-size seems to have a minimum.  Value "1" seems to 
be the minimum, and anything below that (e.g., 0.1) seems to be rounded 
up to 1.  I could be wrong.





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Re: chord symbol styling

[David Kastrup]

Simon Albrecht  writes:

> On 27.10.2015 13:00, David Kastrup wrote:
>> 6 whole steps per octave.  So if I want to illustrate the shrinking of
>> distances higher up the fretboard, I can just add -0.5 per semitone to
>> the font-size.  Or something.
>
> :-)

Well, arguably it makes a bit more sense than Knuth's choice of a
magstep being a factor of 1.2.  Because the powers of 2^{1:12} as the
basis of half a magstep are known to be close enough for practical
purposes to a variety of small-integer-based ratios.

3:2?  Try font-size 3.5.  4:3?  Try font-size 2.5.  5:4? How about
font-size 2?

Eat your heart out, Don: there's music in _our_ choice.

-- 
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Re: chord symbol styling

[Simon Albrecht]

On 27.10.2015 13:00, David Kastrup wrote:

6 whole steps per octave.  So if I want to illustrate the shrinking of
distances higher up the fretboard, I can just add -0.5 per semitone to
the font-size.  Or something.


:-)

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Re: chord symbol styling

[Simon Albrecht]

On 27.10.2015 11:33, Noeck wrote:

Hi,


For some reason, font-size seems to have a minimum.  Value "1" seems to
be the minimum, and anything below that (e.g., 0.1) seems to be rounded
up to 1.  I could be wrong.

No, you can see the size as an exponent if you like. These sizes are
not: 8pt, 12pt and similar but you can also have 0 or negative numbers.
0.1 is just quite close to 1 (and closer to 0). If you like it really
small choose -4 or so.


In other words: font-size isn’t given as absolute, but as relative size, 
where 0 means ‘normal size’, -6 is half the size, and 6 is twice as large.


HTH, Simon

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Re: chord symbol styling

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi all,

On Oct 27, 2015, at 7:09 AM, Simon Albrecht  wrote:
> In other words: font-size isn’t given as absolute, but as relative size

It can be given as absolute, if desired, via Mike S’s function.

Cheers,
Kieren.



Kieren MacMillan, composer
‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info


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Re: chord symbol styling

[David Kastrup]

Simon Albrecht  writes:

> On 27.10.2015 11:33, Noeck wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>> For some reason, font-size seems to have a minimum.  Value "1" seems to
>>> be the minimum, and anything below that (e.g., 0.1) seems to be rounded
>>> up to 1.  I could be wrong.
>> No, you can see the size as an exponent if you like. These sizes are
>> not: 8pt, 12pt and similar but you can also have 0 or negative numbers.
>> 0.1 is just quite close to 1 (and closer to 0). If you like it really
>> small choose -4 or so.
>
> In other words: font-size isn’t given as absolute, but as relative
> size, where 0 means ‘normal size’, -6 is half the size, and 6 is twice
> as large.

6 whole steps per octave.  So if I want to illustrate the shrinking of
distances higher up the fretboard, I can just add -0.5 per semitone to
the font-size.  Or something.

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Re: Text-spanner text repeated at start of line

[David Sumbler]

Thanks, both, for your help on this.

Regarding
\override TextSpanner.bound-details.left-broken.text = ##f

In section 3.1.122 of the internals reference, I see 'left.broken' as an
item in the 'bound-details' list but with no indication of what it does,
nor that 'left-broken.text' is possible and the values that could take.
How could I have found this out from the documentation?

As suggested, the thread linked to by Pierre seems to be a good bet.  It
has taken me some time to read through it all and try out the various
attached files.

I am quite happy to install version 2.19.27, so that I can get the
result I want (with dotted lines).  More likely I shall install
v2.19.30, which seems to be the latest.  Has any of the material
developed in connection with the "Text centralized above a TextSpan"
thread actually been incorporated into v2.19.30, or is that yet to come?

David




On Mon, 2015-10-26 at 22:54 +0100, Thomas Morley wrote:
> 2015-10-26 21:31 GMT+01:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider
> :
> > Hi David,
> >
> > See :
> > http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Text-centralized-above-a-TextSpan-td180601.html
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Pierre
> >
> >
> > 2015-10-26 21:19 GMT+01:00 David Sumbler :
> >>
> >> I want to use a marking such as "accel.-alVivace".
> >>
> >> However, the following example does not do what I want, because the text
> >> is repeated at the start of each new line of music.  I just want the
> >> dotted line to continue without repetition of the text.
> >>
> >> \version "2.19.24"
> >>
> >> \relative {
> >>   \override TextSpanner.bound-details.left.text = "accelerando"
> >>   c''4\startTextSpan c c c | c c c c | c c c c \break |
> >>   c4 c c c\stopTextSpan |
> >>   \override TextSpanner.bound-details.left.text = "al"
> >>   c\startTextSpan c c c\stopTextSpan |
> >>   \tempo "Vivace" c c c c|
> >> }
> >>
> >> I tried using break-visibility, but as I expected this property does not
> >> have any with these objects.
> >>
> >> How can this be achieved?
> >>
> >> Also, it would be nice if the dotted line could be made to continue
> >> right up to the next piece of text, rather than leaving a gap.
> >>
> >> David
> 
> 
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> for your use-case the thread Pierre linked is likely best you can do.
> 
> Though, for the record, you can exclude to repeat TextSpanner's text
> after line-break. Compare:
> 
> \relative {
>   \override TextSpanner.bound-details.left.text = "accelerando"
>   c''1\startTextSpan \break c c\stopTextSpan
> }
> 
> \relative {
>   \override TextSpanner.bound-details.left.text = "accelerando"
>   \override TextSpanner.bound-details.left-broken.text = ##f
>   c''1\startTextSpan \break c c\stopTextSpan
> }
> 
> 
> HTH,
>   Harm



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Re: Text-spanner text repeated at start of line

[David Sumbler]

OK - thanks for that information.  And thanks to you and others for all
the hard work that goes into Lilypond.

David


On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 10:35 -0500, David Nalesnik wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 9:54 AM, David Sumbler 
> wrote: Has any of the material
> developed in connection with the "Text centralized above a
> TextSpan"
> thread actually been incorporated into v2.19.30, or is that
> yet to come?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yet to come.  This is just something floating around the user list at
> the moment.  Submitting a patch and putting it through the review
> process is my goal, but I will need to mull over it a bit before I'm
> confident of it.
> 
> 
> DN 



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Re: Text-spanner text repeated at start of line

[David Nalesnik]

Hi,

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 9:54 AM, David Sumbler  wrote:
Has any of the material
>
> developed in connection with the "Text centralized above a TextSpan"
> thread actually been incorporated into v2.19.30, or is that yet to come?
>
>
Yet to come.  This is just something floating around the user list at the
moment.  Submitting a patch and putting it through the review process is my
goal, but I will need to mull over it a bit before I'm confident of it.

DN
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Re: chord symbol styling

[mskala]

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015, David Kastrup wrote:
> Well, arguably it makes a bit more sense than Knuth's choice of a
> magstep being a factor of 1.2.  Because the powers of 2^{1:12} as the
> basis of half a magstep are known to be close enough for practical
> purposes to a variety of small-integer-based ratios.

So, will a future version allow microtypographical 2^{1/19} magnification
steps?  :-)

-- 
Matthew Skala
msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca People before principles.
http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/

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Re: Linnstrument tablature

[Urs Liska]

Am 27.10.2015 um 19:51 schrieb Michael Ellis:
> The only complication is that, unlike a real stringed instrument, one
> can play multiple simultaneous pitches within a row as well as across
> rows.  Is there a way to indicate that in tab with LilyPond and, if so, how?

Without trying to really understand the implications I would ask you: Is
there a way to indicate that kind of two-dimensionality *in notation*
and, if so, how?
If you have an answer to that it will be easier to consider a LilyPond
implementation.

-- 
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www.openlilylib.org

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Re: Linnstrument tablature

[Marc Hohl]

Am 27.10.2015 um 19:51 schrieb Michael Ellis:

I just acquired a Linnstrument.  It's a grid of 200 touchpads, each with
independent sensing of pressure and finger motion in both x and y. More
about it here .


Wow, looks like a futuristic Chapman stick ;-)


The pads are arranged in 8 rows of 25 pads.  The pitches are chromatic
along rows ( 1/2 step between adjacent pads) with user configurable
intervals between rows.  Typical row-to-row tuning is in 4ths, but other
intervals are possible.

I want to create some tablature for it.  Lilypond's custom tablature
capability is about 90% of what I need.  The only complication is that,
unlike a real stringed instrument, one can play multiple simultaneous
pitches within a row as well as across rows.  Is there a way to indicate
that in tab with LilyPond and, if so, how?


Are there any examples of how this should look like?

Marc

Thanks!




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Linnstrument tablature

[Michael Ellis]

I just acquired a Linnstrument.  It's a grid of 200 touchpads, each with
independent sensing of pressure and finger motion in both x and y.  More
about it here .

The pads are arranged in 8 rows of 25 pads.  The pitches are chromatic
along rows ( 1/2 step between adjacent pads) with user configurable
intervals between rows.  Typical row-to-row tuning is in 4ths, but other
intervals are possible.

I want to create some tablature for it.  Lilypond's custom tablature
capability is about 90% of what I need.  The only complication is that,
unlike a real stringed instrument, one can play multiple simultaneous
pitches within a row as well as across rows.  Is there a way to indicate
that in tab with LilyPond and, if so, how?

Thanks!
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Re: Text-spanner text repeated at start of line

[David Kastrup]

Thomas Morley  writes:

> 2015-10-27 15:54 GMT+01:00 David Sumbler :
>> Regarding
>> \override TextSpanner.bound-details.left-broken.text = ##f
>>
>> In section 3.1.122 of the internals reference, I see 'left.broken' as an
>> item in the 'bound-details' list but with no indication of what it does,
>> nor that 'left-broken.text' is possible and the values that could take.
>> How could I have found this out from the documentation?
>
> Hi David,
>
> well, we have
> http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/spanners#using-the-line_002dspanner_002dinterface
>
> Could you suggest on the bug-list something to improve it?
> I'm a non-native speaker ...
>
> In general, the bound-details-property is a list of lists. With
> possible settings for (pseudo-code)
> '(
>   (left )
>   (left-broken )
>   (right )
>   (right-broken )
> )
> I think, possible key-value-settings are explained quite well in the
> above linked doc.
>
> Of course it's possible but quite tedious to always enter the whole
> list. Therefore, we have the dotted-list syntax for nested properties,
> which modifies a single entry in the (default-)list, like`
> bound-details.left-broken.text'

Dotted-list syntax is decidedly newer than nested properties.  2.18 or
so?

> Btw, there was a problem with reverting overrides for bound-details.

There were all sorts of problems with reverting nested overrides.  The
current version works as expected, though a revert path must exactly
match a previously used override path in order to have an effect.  You
cannot revert sublists of a previous override.  At some point of time,
reality takes its toll.

> David Kastrup fixed it some time ago.

2.19.13, about a year ago.  Not yet available in a stable version.

You'll find that my issue comments and solution sketches on the problem
run from years 2011 to 2014.  This one took a really long time until I
figured out a solution I considered satisfactory in performance as well
as reliability (I probably printed out at least 4 times as much paper
and scribbled over it than for the rest of LilyPond combined).  The
solution also touched some other issues.

At any rate, using overrides on single settings in a nested alist (and
reverting them eventually) is nothing to avoid in current developer
versions but can still be problematic in the current stable version.

-- 
David Kastrup

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Re: Text-spanner text repeated at start of line

[Thomas Morley]

2015-10-27 15:54 GMT+01:00 David Sumbler :
> Regarding
> \override TextSpanner.bound-details.left-broken.text = ##f
>
> In section 3.1.122 of the internals reference, I see 'left.broken' as an
> item in the 'bound-details' list but with no indication of what it does,
> nor that 'left-broken.text' is possible and the values that could take.
> How could I have found this out from the documentation?

Hi David,

well, we have
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/spanners#using-the-line_002dspanner_002dinterface

Could you suggest on the bug-list something to improve it?
I'm a non-native speaker ...

In general, the bound-details-property is a list of lists. With
possible settings for (pseudo-code)
'(
  (left )
  (left-broken )
  (right )
  (right-broken )
)
I think, possible key-value-settings are explained quite well in the
above linked doc.

Of course it's possible but quite tedious to always enter the whole
list. Therefore, we have the dotted-list syntax for nested properties,
which modifies a single entry in the (default-)list, like`
bound-details.left-broken.text'

Btw, there was a problem with reverting overrides for bound-details.
David Kastrup fixed it some time ago.


HTH,
  Harm

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Re: Including Rests in Horizontal Brackets

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Hi Sam,

This is not nice, but it works :

\version "2.19.28"

#(ly:set-option 'warning-as-error #f)
#(ly:expect-warning (_ "barcheck failed at: 1/2"))

\layout {
  \context {
\Voice
\consists "Horizontal_bracket_engraver"
  }
}

\relative c'' {
  \override HorizontalBracket.direction = #UP
  g1\startGroup |
  e |
  R |
  R |
  R2 \once\hideNotes r\stopGroup |
  %get the bracket to extend and "include" this final rest
}

Cheers,
Pierre


2015-10-27 22:23 GMT+01:00 Sam Bivens :

> Hi everyone,
>
> In the attached MWE, I'm hoping to extend the horizontal bracket to the
> right to include the three remaining whole rests.
>
> As it is, Lily is smart enough (darn it...) to stop the bracket at the
> final notated pitch; but can I force the bracket to extend, or will I
> have to come up with another solution to make the bracket?
>
> Obviously I could do it with a hidden second voice, but as the real
> example includes lyrics, etc., I was hoping for a friendlier solution.
>
> Thanks as ever,
>
> Sam
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Including Rests in Horizontal Brackets

[Sam Bivens]

Hi everyone,

In the attached MWE, I'm hoping to extend the horizontal bracket to the
right to include the three remaining whole rests.

As it is, Lily is smart enough (darn it...) to stop the bracket at the
final notated pitch; but can I force the bracket to extend, or will I
have to come up with another solution to make the bracket?

Obviously I could do it with a hidden second voice, but as the real
example includes lyrics, etc., I was hoping for a friendlier solution.

Thanks as ever,

Sam
\version "2.19.28"

\layout {
  \context {
\Voice
\consists "Horizontal_bracket_engraver"
  }
}

\relative c'' {
  \override HorizontalBracket.direction = #UP

  g1\startGroup |
  e |
  R |
  R |
  R\stopGroup | %get the bracket to extend and "include" this final rest
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Re: Including Rests in Horizontal Brackets

[Sam Bivens]

Hi Pierre,

This works great, and it's nice enough! (It also helped me realize that
it wasn't a lack of pitches that caused the problem, but the particular
use of R1 at \stopGroup...interesting.)

Thanks again,

Sam

On 10/27/2015 06:16 PM, Pierre Perol-Schneider wrote:
> Hi Sam,
>
> This is not nice, but it works :
>
> \version "2.19.28"
>
> #(ly:set-option 'warning-as-error #f)
> #(ly:expect-warning (_ "barcheck failed at: 1/2"))
>
> \layout {
>   \context {
> \Voice
> \consists "Horizontal_bracket_engraver"
>   }
> }
>
> \relative c'' {
>   \override HorizontalBracket.direction = #UP
>   g1\startGroup |
>   e |
>   R |
>   R |
>   R2 \once\hideNotes r\stopGroup |
>   %get the bracket to extend and "include" this final rest
> }
>
> Cheers,
> Pierre
>
>
> 2015-10-27 22:23 GMT+01:00 Sam Bivens  >:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> In the attached MWE, I'm hoping to extend the horizontal bracket
> to the
> right to include the three remaining whole rests.
>
> As it is, Lily is smart enough (darn it...) to stop the bracket at the
> final notated pitch; but can I force the bracket to extend, or will I
> have to come up with another solution to make the bracket?
>
> Obviously I could do it with a hidden second voice, but as the real
> example includes lyrics, etc., I was hoping for a friendlier solution.
>
> Thanks as ever,
>
> Sam
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Re: My finances for working on LilyPond

[Paul Morris]

> On Oct 27, 2015, at 8:19 PM, Bruno Ruviaro  wrote:
> 
> It seems to me that Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/ 
> ) might be a good system in your case. 

Or maybe Gratipay (https://gratipay.com/) (formerly known as “gittip") which is 
based on continuous weekly payments – ongoing contributions for ongoing work – 
rather than payment per creation.  

Also, unlike most of these deals, Gratipay does not take a percentage off the 
top of each transaction.  Gratipay is itself funded on Gratipay.  How’s that 
for "eating your own dog food"?

It looks like they are going through a big transition that involves a new 
approach organized around funding teams (rather than individuals) that offer 
what they’re calling “open work”.  It’s an intriguing and unconventional 
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Re: Text-spanner text repeated at start of line

[David Sumbler]

I think that the documentation you mention is pretty good as it stands -
I just hadn't found it.  That's my fault and my inefficiency.  I hardly
ever use text spanners, and hadn't remembered there was even a section
like that.

I think I need to find some time simply to read through (for the
umpteenth time) the whole of the Notation Reference.  No doubt I shall
be able to absorb many more details than I could the last time I did it.

David



On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 20:25 +0100, Thomas Morley wrote:
> 2015-10-27 15:54 GMT+01:00 David Sumbler :
> > Regarding
> > \override TextSpanner.bound-details.left-broken.text = ##f
> >
> > In section 3.1.122 of the internals reference, I see 'left.broken' as an
> > item in the 'bound-details' list but with no indication of what it does,
> > nor that 'left-broken.text' is possible and the values that could take.
> > How could I have found this out from the documentation?
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> well, we have
> http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/spanners#using-the-line_002dspanner_002dinterface
> 
> Could you suggest on the bug-list something to improve it?
> I'm a non-native speaker ...
> 
> In general, the bound-details-property is a list of lists. With
> possible settings for (pseudo-code)
> '(
>   (left )
>   (left-broken )
>   (right )
>   (right-broken )
> )
> I think, possible key-value-settings are explained quite well in the
> above linked doc.
> 
> Of course it's possible but quite tedious to always enter the whole
> list. Therefore, we have the dotted-list syntax for nested properties,
> which modifies a single entry in the (default-)list, like`
> bound-details.left-broken.text'
> 
> Btw, there was a problem with reverting overrides for bound-details.
> David Kastrup fixed it some time ago.
> 
> 
> HTH,
>   Harm



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Re: My finances for working on LilyPond

[Bruno Ruviaro]

Hi David,

Please let me know via separate e-mail how I can donate.

And below is a suggestion of an alternative funding mechanism for you to
consider in the future.

It seems to me that Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/) might be a good
system in your case. (disclaimer: I have never used it myself, but I know
the founder and trust him, and I find the concept very interesting).

Patreon allows you to charge your supporters "per creation": in the case of
software development it would probably be the "release" or announcement of
a number of significant commits accumulated over a month or two. If you get
a number of happy Lilypond users to become your regular "patrons", you'd
get a more or less predictable and constant stream of support -- without
having to remind people to donate every time. For example, if I were your
supporter on the website, every time you make a release, Patreon would
automatically charge me a fixed amount (I decide how much), notify me of
your latest work, and transfer the money to you (minus Patreon's fee of
5%). From the patron side, a nice thing is that I can establish a cap for
my monthly donations (in case you do more releases in a month that I could
"afford").

Anyway, just an idea.

Thanks for your work on Lilypond. I only became a more serious user in the
last few months, and I can say I am a happy Lilypond user.

Bruno



On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:21 AM, David Kastrup  wrote:

>
> As you all know, my sole source of income are donations from happy
> LilyPond users.  It would appear that LilyPond users have stopped being
> happy with my work.
>
> I've taken a look at my last bank report.  In the last month I received:
>
> 1 donation of 200 EUR
> 1 donation of 100 EUR
> 2 donations of 25 EUR each.
>
> That's it (and honestly, the two large donations are embarrassing as
> they are by people who have done more than I ever did on LilyPond and
> who are helping people more on lists and forums than I do,
> respectively).  That does not even cover my rent, let alone medical
> insurance, food, repairs, clothes or other stuff.  Let alone pension
> funds or similar luxuries.  I'm currently bleeding about 800EUR per
> month for working on LilyPond.
>
> What has happened in the last month?
>
> dak@lola:/usr/local/tmp/lilypond$ git shortlog --since "1 month ago" -n -s
> 48  David Kastrup
> 12  Phil Holmes
>  4  Jean-Charles Malahieude
>  2  Dan Eble
>  2  James Lowe
>  1  Masamichi Hosoda
>  1  Thomas Morley
>
> Well, 48 commits does not look like much, but I implemented
> functionality to attach to slurs to single notes in a chord in that time
> (important for tablature and piano music), designed and implemented an
> interface for working with multiple slurs per Voice, fixed several bugs,
> made c:5 in chord mode a power chord rather than equivalent to c major,
> created several low-level functions for manipulating graphical object
> properties like \offset does, removed a hard-to-understand internal
> object called a "simple closure" and prepared for more simplifications.
>
> I will likely work several more months on those internals and if the
> situation has not improved by then, call it quits.
>
> I thank all those who have supported me for this long.
>
> --
> David Kastrup
>
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Re: My finances for working on LilyPond

[Werner LEMBERG]

> Or maybe Gratipay (https://gratipay.com/) (formerly known as
> “gittip") which is based on continuous weekly payments – ongoing
> contributions for ongoing work – rather than payment per creation.

This is nice!  However, it is US-based, which is less than optimal for
EU citizens...


Werner
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