Re: Distance between Lyrics and Dynamics context

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Urs,

> For the record: I was somehow fixed on moving the whole context
> (which I still want to know about).

Yes.

> But in my actual case which is a two-system music example it turned out
> to move things around by simply overriding their extra-offset …

As I indicated, that’s what I often end up doing. I even have syntactic sugar 
for the “multi-item” cases (e.g., lyrics, which include LyricText, LyricHyphen, 
LyricExtender, etc.).

Glad it worked out!
Kieren.


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Re: Distance between Lyrics and Dynamics context

[Urs Liska]

Am 01.12.2016 um 18:22 schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
> Hi Urs,
>
>> I want to have everything starting from "1. Satz - 7 Stücke" to be
>> closer to the upper line with the "T  DD" - as can be seen in the new
>> attachment. The upper is implemented as a Lyrics context, the lower as 
>> Dynamics.
>>
>> A complication is that there is a second Dynamics context between those
>> two, which is empty in the first system (and contains some material . So
>> I only want to raise the lower context in the first system.
> This, I think, is related to a long-standing request I have: upper spacing 
> parameters. As far as I can tell, Lily only has parameters for the space that 
> FOLLOWS a context (with the obvious exception of nonstaff-relatedstaff 
> spacing when staff-affinity is not #DOWN) — but I often want to set (e.g.) a 
> padding value for a certain staff, regardless of what appears above it (e.g., 
> in a frenched score).
>
> I end up just manipulating these kind of things using the edition engraver — 
> that would be my suggestion in this case — but I’m intruiged to hear how you 
> end up solving it.

For the record: I was somehow fixed on moving the whole context (which I
still want to know about). But in my actual case which is a two-system
music example it turned out to move things around by simply overriding
their extra-offset ...

Urs

>
> Cheers,
> Kieren.
> 
>
> Kieren MacMillan, composer
> ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
> ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info
>


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Re: Distance between Lyrics and Dynamics context

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Urs,

>> I end up just manipulating these kind of things using the edition engraver — 
>> that would be my suggestion in this case — but I’m intruiged to hear how you 
>> end up solving it.
> 
> You mean moving the elements individually?

Well, with Lyrics, you can move a whole system up with a single extra-offset at 
the beginning and reset at the end of the system, for example. With other 
contexts, you can use explicit positioning (i.e., NonMusicalPaperColumn stuff).

But short answer: yes.

Hope that helps!
Kieren.


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Re: Distance between Lyrics and Dynamics context

[Urs Liska]

Am 01.12.2016 um 18:22 schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
> Hi Urs,
>
>> I want to have everything starting from "1. Satz - 7 Stücke" to be
>> closer to the upper line with the "T  DD" - as can be seen in the new
>> attachment. The upper is implemented as a Lyrics context, the lower as 
>> Dynamics.
>>
>> A complication is that there is a second Dynamics context between those
>> two, which is empty in the first system (and contains some material . So
>> I only want to raise the lower context in the first system.
> This, I think, is related to a long-standing request I have: upper spacing 
> parameters. As far as I can tell, Lily only has parameters for the space that 
> FOLLOWS a context (with the obvious exception of nonstaff-relatedstaff 
> spacing when staff-affinity is not #DOWN) — but I often want to set (e.g.) a 
> padding value for a certain staff, regardless of what appears above it (e.g., 
> in a frenched score).
>
> I end up just manipulating these kind of things using the edition engraver — 
> that would be my suggestion in this case — but I’m intruiged to hear how you 
> end up solving it.

You mean moving the elements individually?

Urs

>
> Cheers,
> Kieren.
> 
>
> Kieren MacMillan, composer
> ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
> ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info
>


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Re: Distance between Lyrics and Dynamics context

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Urs,

> I want to have everything starting from "1. Satz - 7 Stücke" to be
> closer to the upper line with the "T  DD" - as can be seen in the new
> attachment. The upper is implemented as a Lyrics context, the lower as 
> Dynamics.
> 
> A complication is that there is a second Dynamics context between those
> two, which is empty in the first system (and contains some material . So
> I only want to raise the lower context in the first system.

This, I think, is related to a long-standing request I have: upper spacing 
parameters. As far as I can tell, Lily only has parameters for the space that 
FOLLOWS a context (with the obvious exception of nonstaff-relatedstaff spacing 
when staff-affinity is not #DOWN) — but I often want to set (e.g.) a padding 
value for a certain staff, regardless of what appears above it (e.g., in a 
frenched score).

I end up just manipulating these kind of things using the edition engraver — 
that would be my suggestion in this case — but I’m intruiged to hear how you 
end up solving it.

Cheers,
Kieren.


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Re: Distance between Lyrics and Dynamics context

[Urs Liska]

Am 01.12.2016 um 16:55 schrieb Phil Holmes:
> - Original Message - From: "Urs Liska" 
> To: "lilypond-user" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 1:44 PM
> Subject: Distance between Lyrics and Dynamics context
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm once again struggling with the issue of vertical spacing and can't
>> find a solution in the manuals. I think it would be a really cool thing
>> if someone wrote a tutorial or a series of tutorials introducing all
>> this in some more depth and slower-paced than what the reference can
>> provide.
>>
>> In the attached example the functional analysis symbols are entered in a
>> Lyrics context and the textual description below in a Dynamics context.
>> Actually there's another Dynamics context between those two but that
>> doesn't contain anything in the current system.
>>
>> What I want to achieve is to move the two somewhat closer together - but
>> only in the current system, as in the second system the middle context
>> actually contains something (which can be seen in the second attachement
>> (dispo-satz-2-3.png).
>>
>> Which of the spacing properties do I have to modify to control this
>> distance, and (how) can I do this on a per-system basis?
>
> Urs,
>
> I'm struggling to work out what you want to do from your description. 
> Can you use an image manipulation program to demonstrate?
>

Sorry if my explanation wasn't clear.
I want to have everything starting from "1. Satz - 7 Stücke" to be
closer to the upper line with the "T  DD" - as can be seen in the new
attachment.
The upper is implemented as a Lyrics context, the lower as Dynamics.

A complication is that there is a second Dynamics context between those
two, which is empty in the first system (and contains some material . So
I only want to raise the lower context in the first system.

Best
Urs

> -- 
> Phil Holmes

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Re: Distance between Lyrics and Dynamics context

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: "Urs Liska" 

To: "lilypond-user" 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 1:44 PM
Subject: Distance between Lyrics and Dynamics context



Hi,

I'm once again struggling with the issue of vertical spacing and can't
find a solution in the manuals. I think it would be a really cool thing
if someone wrote a tutorial or a series of tutorials introducing all
this in some more depth and slower-paced than what the reference can
provide.

In the attached example the functional analysis symbols are entered in a
Lyrics context and the textual description below in a Dynamics context.
Actually there's another Dynamics context between those two but that
doesn't contain anything in the current system.

What I want to achieve is to move the two somewhat closer together - but
only in the current system, as in the second system the middle context
actually contains something (which can be seen in the second attachement
(dispo-satz-2-3.png).

Which of the spacing properties do I have to modify to control this
distance, and (how) can I do this on a per-system basis?


Urs,

I'm struggling to work out what you want to do from your description.  Can 
you use an image manipulation program to demonstrate?


--
Phil Holmes 



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