Re: [Haifux] Some notes regarding the instaparty
The perl club meets in Haifa university, which is fine by me, and I never claim this is a Haifa university-only thing, even if they will hold a closed to Haifa University computer science course about Programming using un-usable lang. (please, no flames on that, thanks), I would still not consider it a bad thing, as they did it. I read the above paragraph a few times and I think you gave a wrong example. I might be wrong, and if that is the case, I apologize. Otherwise, please read on: Perhaps you failed again to explain yourself as it seems you think that the Perl lectures held in CRI were ment only to Haifa university people. The fact is more than 90% of the people who attended the course did not come from Haifa university (except for the first 3 lectures where the Haifa university people were the majority). Some people came from the Technion, others came from the industry. In any case, each week people from all over were invited to attend and learn. The upcomming Perl conference (see: http://www.perl.org.il/YAPC/2003/) to be held in Haifa university welcomes speakers from all over (from abroad too) and welcomes participants from all over. Your comment about the usability of the language makes me wonder what do you know about Perl at all. Such comments made towards GNU/Linux makes you and others in the Haifa Linux Club think how ignorant people can be... still you could not resist making such a comment yourself. I believe you can make your point without offending and abusing other people's initiatives. If you need something to laugh at or flame to make a point, please consider it again. Usually it makes a bad strategy. I am terribly sorry if someone was offended by this comment. I meant the opposite, of course, saying that even if those meetings were closed to the public (and I know they aren't) it is still OK. What I tried to say, is that you promote Perl (btw, I do use perl now and then, and it is useful for some things I do, but personally for me the programming language is C) and if you decided tthat tomorrow you are going to hold a special event only for Haifa Univ. students, this is OK, becuase you do it. It is preferable in the sense of marketing not to close the event (please note that the installation party will be open to all!), but if you this - this is your right. -- Orr Dunkelman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Man is the only animal that blushes--or has reason to. --- Mark Twain Spammers: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~orrd/spam.html -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Some notes regarding the instaparty
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Orr Dunkelman wrote: My suggestion for the queueing algorithm is as follows: You register - your in. FCFS. You're not registered - you get to be installed only if there is an open slot (pan intended). I wish to second that, and offer to make the priority to registered insallees known in advance. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Some notes regarding the instaparty
On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Alon Altman wrote: OK, we *will* have CDs at the party. That means there is *no* need to install everything. Meir - can you create a package-selection floppy with all needed packages (and only them)? NO, Alon. It was decided as it was decided. If you want to change something - talk with Erez and Yuval, or do whatever you want with your own installations - without any relevance to the instaparty. The paper is written, and everybody knows what I wrote to you, which is what me, Orr, Erez and Yuval had summaries about. It won't be changed just because you want it differently. As long as Erez didn't say anything else - we know that we will install everything, and no CDs will be given, unless Actcom or any other organized company/faclty will be there and sell. This is what I'm waiting for, and Orr or Yuval should update me with. Alon On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, DRYICE wrote: None of them need everything, I think I can tell very easily what they need. they need all of the development. and they need a Window managers(most windows users prefer KDE) and they need various network clients but only the vary basic servers, basicly ssh, not too much more than that. obvoulsly you give'em more than they NEED, but if I previously thought we have no chance in hell to get the installations done on time, when we lack CD's lack installers, and lack motivation. This ludicress plan of installing everything will just slow us down. Meir not to mention the fact 4GB+ of data and say 500MB swap and at least 500MB more to work in, is a lot of disk space for most people nowadays. Many people want to install linux on their non primary computer, or at least on the old hard drive or simply on the free space you cleared up. Some people may have the space but think this is to heavy. In addition I fear it may send a wrong message, when I am asked how much disk space linux takes, I first answer how small can the real thing be, and than I say how many extra stuff come with your friendly distro. As apposed to saying, stndard installation is 4GB but you can cut stuf out later. -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Some notes regarding the instaparty
On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 08:34:44PM +0200, Adir Abraham wrote: As long as Erez didn't say anything else - we know that we will install everything, and no CDs will be given, unless Actcom or any other organized company/faclty will be there and sell. This is what I'm waiting for, and Orr or Yuval should update me with. Do you (or any one else) have any problems with Hamakor (as represented by me and/or other board members) selling CDs and registering members during the instaparty? if yes, why? Thanks, Muli. -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Haifux] Some notes regarding the instaparty
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003, Adir Abraham wrote about [Haifux] Some notes regarding the instaparty: The party is there for everybody in general, but the first priority will be given to OS course (234120), the 2nd to OS structures course (046209), 3rd for other students, and 4th for any other person, so please ask the person's name - before you install. There will be a list with names for OS course students, at least. Approximately, 200 people should arrive for both days. Maybe I'm out-of-line questioning this decision (since I won't be there to help, most likely), but why the 234120 favoritism? Why do EE students have to come in 2nd place and Mathematics students (like I was) come 3rd? How will installers who are not students, or students of a non-CS department, feel of such discrimination of their friends? In anycase, I don't even understand which queue algorithm you plan to apply to enforce this favoritism and how you plan to avoid starvation. I would strongly recommend that you rethink this idea... There are other ways to throttle demand, by the way. You can ask for advanced registration, and you can sell CDs for people to install on their own instead of waiting in line. CDs in advance, and we might not. Don't count on it too much. Whatsoever - the students will get references so they will know where to download ISOs from. How do typical students (toar rishon, not in dorm) download ISOs? It's not as easy as you might think. Not everybody has a high bandwidth connection and (shudder) not everybody has a CD writer. Anyway, the truth is that after a sucessful installation not everybody will need the CD-ROMs, so maybe not having them will not be such a huge loss. -- Nadav Har'El|Wednesday, Mar 5 2003, 1 Adar II 5763 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Take my advice, I don't use it anyway. http://nadav.harel.org.il | -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Some notes regarding the instaparty
On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Orr Dunkelman wrote: The perl club meets in Haifa university, which is fine by me, and I never claim this is a Haifa university-only thing, even if they will hold a closed to Haifa University computer science course about Programming using un-usable lang. (please, no flames on that, thanks), I would still not consider it a bad thing, as they did it. I read the above paragraph a few times and I think you gave a wrong example. I might be wrong, and if that is the case, I apologize. Otherwise, please read on: Perhaps you failed again to explain yourself as it seems you think that the Perl lectures held in CRI were ment only to Haifa university people. The fact is more than 90% of the people who attended the course did not come from Haifa university (except for the first 3 lectures where the Haifa university people were the majority). Some people came from the Technion, others came from the industry. In any case, each week people from all over were invited to attend and learn. The upcomming Perl conference (see: http://www.perl.org.il/YAPC/2003/) to be held in Haifa university welcomes speakers from all over (from abroad too) and welcomes participants from all over. Your comment about the usability of the language makes me wonder what do you know about Perl at all. Such comments made towards GNU/Linux makes you and others in the Haifa Linux Club think how ignorant people can be... still you could not resist making such a comment yourself. I believe you can make your point without offending and abusing other people's initiatives. If you need something to laugh at or flame to make a point, please consider it again. Usually it makes a bad strategy. -- Shlomo Yona [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cs.haifa.ac.il/~shlomo/ -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
