Re: SCO CEO's letter to Open Source Community

2003-09-10 Thread James Melin
Well, If this goes the way I think it's going (SCO going down in flames), their Lawyer that a certain august member of this list has been confused with, is going to have the worlds largest resume stain. |-+ | | Dean Kent| | |

Re: size of distributions (redux) - The button

2003-09-10 Thread James Melin
We are running in an LPAR in production. Actually soon to be TWO LPARS. You are not alone. We have a few unique issues running in LPAR mode. |-+ | | David Boyes | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | e.net

Re: SCO CEO's letter to Open Source Community

2003-09-10 Thread Jay Maynard
On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 07:31:57AM -0500, James Melin wrote: Well, If this goes the way I think it's going (SCO going down in flames), their Lawyer that a certain august member of this list has been confused with, is going to have the worlds largest resume stain. Doubtful. He's had a bigger

MVMRUG User Group Meeting Oct. 24

2003-09-10 Thread Moore, Terry A.
The Midwest VM Regional User Group will be holding their fall meeting in Cincinnati, Ohio on October 24. We've got a good slate of speakers and topics lined up on Friday, and an opportunity for you to have a fun dinner with your peers on Thursday night if you can make it. Come join us for a

[OT] FORTRAN card format

2003-09-10 Thread Henry Schaffer
A few weeks ago there were some questions about the card format - and I didn't want to reply from memory. But as a result of a successful archeological expedition I now have before me a FORTRAN STATEMENT 80 column card (often called an IBM card although this specimen is from EAC - I think that

Writing article on Running A Lean IT Organization

2003-09-10 Thread Gabe Goldberg
Crossposted to IBM-MAIN, VSE-L, VMESA-L, LINUX-390 I'm writing an article on Running A Lean IT Organization, describing how data centers work efficiently (using appropriate resources, eliminating waste) and effectively (doing the right things). This is for a newsletter on IT cost management

Re: [OT] FORTRAN card format

2003-09-10 Thread Phil Payne
The card has columns 1-5 ruled off for Statement Number, with a C above column 1 For Comment. Then col 6 is Continuation. Cols 7-72 are for the statement, and 73-80 for Identification. [sigh] Oh for non-proportional fonts again. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785

Re: Writing article on Running A Lean IT Organization

2003-09-10 Thread John R . Campbell
HUMOR MODE=SARCASM INTENSITY=TOOTHACHE The zSeries+z/VM+Linux solution allows you to outsource 90% (or more) of the SysAdmins to India (along with the programmers); Only the ButtonMonkeys will need to be local. /HUMOR I really *REALLY* wish there was NO truth to the above.

Re: z/VM 4.3.0 VM63282 / Qdrop apar

2003-09-10 Thread Jim Sibley
Ron wrote: Have you found any improvement ticking the clock in LPAR, and if there is a difference? Is that because of LPAR or because of other things (e.g. number of virtual CPUs or whatever)? I have seen the improvement under VM with the clocking stopped. I don't anyone here who has looked at

Re: z/VM 4.3.0 VM63282 / Qdrop apar

2003-09-10 Thread Gregg C Levine
Hello from Gregg C Levine This issue has me some what confused. I know from my own experience regarding Linux, and Intel based systems that the clock configuration is one of the strangest, and can cause confusion, among staff members, and even customers. How does Linux observe the behavior of the

Re: size of distributions (redux) - The button

2003-09-10 Thread Jim Sibley
Jim wrote: We are running in an LPAR in production. Actually soon to be TWO LPARS. You are not alone. We have a few unique issues running in LPAR mode. So I'm not going completely mad, after all! ;-) = Jim Sibley Implementor of Linux on zSeries in the beautiful Silicon Valley Computer are

Anyone tried Levanta

2003-09-10 Thread Gene Walters
Hi, Has anyone on the list tried Levanta? If so, what do you think of it? thanks Gene

Re: Writing article on Running A Lean IT Organization

2003-09-10 Thread Jim Sibley
John wrote: HUMOR MODE=SARCASM INTENSITY=TOOTHACHE The zSeries+z/VM+Linux solution allows you to outsource 90% (or more) of the SysAdmins to India (along with the programmers); Only the ButtonMonkeys will need to be local. /HUMOR The very large blue company I work for is

Slightly fuzzy on what to do next in making a copy of a system on new volumes IPL-able

2003-09-10 Thread James Melin
I have created copies of my original system, and mounted them in approriate relative positions under /mnt (/mnt/var /mnt/usr, etc). This makes my 'new IPL device' address b213 - which is mounted as dasdg1 in /mnt/boot I have the original parm file. Yast, of course moved my swap device to

Re: z/VM 4.3.0 VM63282 / Qdrop apar

2003-09-10 Thread Adam Thornton
On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 12:43, Jim Sibley wrote: I have seen the improvement under VM with the clocking stopped. I don't anyone here who has looked at the LPAR case with the clocking stopped; its always been on and no-one has complained, even the performance people who buts large loads on the

Re: Slightly fuzzy on what to do next in making a copy of a system on new volumes IPL-able

2003-09-10 Thread Adam Thornton
On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 13:30, James Melin wrote: I have created copies of my original system, and mounted them in approriate relative positions under /mnt (/mnt/var /mnt/usr, etc). This makes my 'new IPL device' address b213 - which is mounted as dasdg1 in /mnt/boot I have the original parm

Re: Slightly fuzzy on what to do next in making a copy of a system on new volumes IPL-able

2003-09-10 Thread James Melin
So what do I do in a situation like this then? Sounds like a catch-22. The dasd in question is not bootable as is. I need to make it bootable using zipl, and I don't want to have to boot an installl/recovery disk to do these things because I'm rather trying to keep the DR recovery of Linux out of

Re: z/VM 4.3.0 VM63282 / Qdrop apar

2003-09-10 Thread Rob van der Heij
Jim Sibley wrote: 2) Some of my users do want to boot under VM and in LPAR to compare performance. It's your party so you can do what you feel right. If I were to do serious comparison between Linux in LPAR and in a virtual machine, I would at least use the things we have to exploit z/VM

Re: Slightly fuzzy on what to do next in making a copy of a system on new volumes IPL-able

2003-09-10 Thread Adam Thornton
On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 13:50, James Melin wrote: So what do I do in a situation like this then? Sounds like a catch-22. The dasd in question is not bootable as is. I need to make it bootable using zipl, and I don't want to have to boot an installl/recovery disk to do these things because I'm

Re: Slightly fuzzy on what to do next in making a copy of a syste m on new volumes IPL-able

2003-09-10 Thread Adam Thornton
On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 13:57, Little, Chris wrote: assuming the entire directory structure is under /mnt (including /boot) chroot /mnt zipl Or, yeah, that would be a lot easier. Adam

Re: Anyone tried Levanta

2003-09-10 Thread Rob Schwartz
We're using Levanta. Started with version 1 and are now using version 2. Currently have a few production Version 1 instances. In 3 weeks we have some mission-critical Linux instances going into production using Levanta. Version 2 is based on VM-level minidisk sharing (instead of NFS as used in

Re: Anyone tried Levanta

2003-09-10 Thread Wolfe, Gordon W
We have had Levanta Rel. 1 in on a trial. It's pretty impressive, although it had a few shortcomings, especially in the user interface. It would have been good for a few dozen small servers, but I wouldn't have wanted to use it for hundreds of servers or large Oracle databases. We're getting

Re: Anyone tried Levanta

2003-09-10 Thread Frank DeGilio
Hmm - I am working with a customer who is looking to create server instances on the fly based on some off platform criteria. Is there a good Programmable interface to this stuff? Would it be worth the money? Would I be better off just using REXX execs and service machines? Frank J. De Gilio

Re: Anyone tried Levanta

2003-09-10 Thread Wolfe, Gordon W
Much depends on the nature of your instances and how many you have. See http://www.linuxcare.com or give Brad Schwarz a call at 415-354-4535 God is a comedian playing to an audience afraid to laugh. - Voltaire Gordon Wolfe, Ph. D. (425)865-5940 VM Technical Services, The Boeing Company

Re: Anyone tried Levanta

2003-09-10 Thread David Boyes
It would depend on how similar the individual instances were. At least with version 1, you created templates for a class of systems, and then could easily instantiate the template. If every server is different, or the configurations can't be grouped into major classes with individual tweaks, it

IBM JVM problem with SSL.

2003-09-10 Thread Antônio Pires de Castro Jr.
Hi, I tried to put IBM JVM 1.4.1 for 390x with my application server (JBoss), but It is showing an error with my SSL (HTTPS). When I use IBM JVM 1.3.1 for 390, SSL works well. I discover that I need an ibmjsse.jar packet. Where can I download ibmjsse.jar ? thanks in advanced,

Re: IBM JVM problem with SSL.

2003-09-10 Thread Jim Elliott
I tried to put IBM JVM 1.4.1 for 390x with my application server (JBoss), but It is showing an error with my SSL (HTTPS). When I use IBM JVM 1.3.1 for 390, SSL works well. I discover that I need an ibmjsse.jar packet Where can I download ibmjsse.jar ? There is no formal support for IBM JDKs

Re: Anyone tried Levanta

2003-09-10 Thread Marcy Cortes
We're trialing it. We've recommended to the powers that be here that we purchase it. Now, Brad's just got get them to sign - the delays being mostly the organizational transitions going between mainframe and distributed groups than any thing else. We started with the 1.0 trial - did that in