Re: SLES 15 - no help?

2019-06-09 Thread Timothy Sipples
Michael MacIsaac wrote: >I get my hands on a minimal SLES 15 for the first time. >I try to edit a file: ># *vi foo* >-bash: vi: command not found ># *vim foo* >-bash: vim: command not found >HUH? A UNIX with no vi? NEVER seen that before. If you haven't, you still haven't. SLES is Linux®, but Li

Re: SLES 15 - no help?

2019-06-09 Thread Mark Post
On 6/9/19 5:44 PM, Michael MacIsaac wrote: > Thanks for the quick reply. If you can pass the word up the line that a few > paying customers expect 'vi' to be part of minimal, that would be great. That's been discussed internally. It's not going to change any time soon. Minimal really, really means

Re: SLES 15 - no help?

2019-06-09 Thread David Boyes
On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 at 13:48, Michael MacIsaac wrote: > HUH? A UNIX with no vi? NEVER seen that before. > -bash: man: command not found Well, you did say "minimal". Neither of those are necessary to get the system multi-user. Somebody probably intended that particular configuration to b

Re: SLES 15 - no help?

2019-06-09 Thread Michael MacIsaac
Mark, Thanks for the quick reply. If you can pass the word up the line that a few paying customers expect 'vi' to be part of minimal, that would be great. But how do I install the man pages? 'zypper install man' does not get it. Let me ask this - do you have a doc that states how to make a fair

Re: Are you "man" enough?

2019-06-09 Thread Michael MacIsaac
Flint, Yeah, I know 'which' and 'find'. vim was not installed, but now it is. Yes this was on SLES15S0 on Dave's system. Scary part is there are no man pages. Hopefully we find out tomorrow how to add them back. -Mike On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:23 AM Paul Flint wrote: > Dear Michael, > > Ch

Re: SLES 15 - no help?

2019-06-09 Thread Mark Post
On 6/9/19 7:47 AM, Michael MacIsaac wrote: > Hi, > > I get my hands on a minimal SLES 15 for the first time. I try to edit a > file: > > # *vi foo* > -bash: vi: command not found > # *vim foo* > -bash: vim: command not found > > HUH? A UNIX with no vi? NEVER seen that before. You're the one tha

Re: SLES 15 - no help?

2019-06-09 Thread Rob van der Heij
Oh sure, we can do online help away and direct to kc of just the global home page where someone flashes “are you considering a purchase” Rob (biting his tongue) On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 at 14:13, Michael MacIsaac wrote: > Rob, > > > We could argue that a server can do without, > Yeah, maybe z/VM shou

Amen Brother!

2019-06-09 Thread Paul Flint
Greetings Rob, On Sun, 9 Jun 2019, Rob van der Heij wrote: We could argue that a server can do without, and I’ve always complained the minimal was too much. The container stuff likely focus them. It may be too minimal for manual sysadmin work. I think it lacks sudo as well. And I hate they put

Are you "man" enough?

2019-06-09 Thread Paul Flint
Dear Michael, Check if "vi" is in the root path... (Type what is in the qoutes) # "which vi" ^ | Note you are presumed to be root... If this comes back empty, then you got to go find it. The best way to find it is the following: "find / |grep vi$ | less" This will show you every file ending

Re: SLES 15 - no help?

2019-06-09 Thread Michael MacIsaac
Rob, > We could argue that a server can do without, Yeah, maybe z/VM should deprecate XEDIT and HELP in v8 and have people use something more modern (hehe). -Mike On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 7:56 AM Rob van der Heij wrote: > We could argue that a server can do without, and I’ve always complaine

Re: SLES 15 - no help?

2019-06-09 Thread Rob van der Heij
We could argue that a server can do without, and I’ve always complained the minimal was too much. The container stuff likely focus them. It may be too minimal for manual sysadmin work. I think it lacks sudo as well. And I hate they put ifconfig cs in nettools-very-much-deprecated in some other repo

SLES 15 - no help?

2019-06-09 Thread Michael MacIsaac
Hi, I get my hands on a minimal SLES 15 for the first time. I try to edit a file: # *vi foo* -bash: vi: command not found # *vim foo* -bash: vim: command not found HUH? A UNIX with no vi? NEVER seen that before. So I install it: # *zypper install -y vim* ... Now I need to check a flag: #