Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server

2007-04-03 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 4/3/07, shogunx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sounds like a recipe for disaster unless you have the tightest of physical security. As Mark points out, physical security is not really the issue here. In most mainframe installations you will find that physical access to the hardware is very

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server

2007-04-03 Thread John Summerfield
McKown, John wrote: This is more generic to Linux than specific to z/Linux, but perhaps you will indulge me. I am curious as to the best practice to allow a user to connect to a Linux server. 1) Telnet and use a normal userid/password - nope, ain't gonna happen. 2) SSH and use a normal

Re: Apache URL next question

2007-04-03 Thread Eric Covener
On 4/2/07, Stephen Frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On my browser I type in the URL. The first page comes up. I click on a link on that page the page come up. However, the browser shows the IP address and not the URL. http://###.##.##.###/login/index.php and not

Re: Apache URL next question

2007-04-03 Thread David Boyes
On my browser I type in the URL. The first page comes up. I click on a link on that page the page come up. However, the browser shows the IP address and not the URL. http://###.##.##.###/login/index.php and not http://doctrgtest.doc.state.ok.us/login/index.php as I expected. What else do

Re: Apache URL next question

2007-04-03 Thread Adam Thornton
On Apr 3, 2007, at 10:25 AM, David Boyes wrote: On my browser I type in the URL. The first page comes up. I click on a link on that page the page come up. However, the browser shows the IP address and not the URL. http://###.##.##.###/login/index.php and not

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server

2007-04-03 Thread David Boyes
That sounds like a recipe for disaster unless you have the tightest of physical security. Not in a virtual machine. Access to the console is protected by the VM security management system, which is usually well-monitored and well-instrumented. If you can get to the console, the machine is

SLES9 to SLES10 Upgrade

2007-04-03 Thread Ifurung, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, Our vservers setup was mostly done using the procedures described in From LPAR to Virtual Servers in 2 Days by Michael MacIsaac, et al. So currently we have a cloning controller server and about a dozen cloned vservers all current to SLES9 SP3 + patches. We have been applying patches using

Moodle

2007-04-03 Thread Stephen Frazier
Is anyone running Moodle? Moodle is a course management system (CMS) - a free, Open Source software package designed using sound pedagogical principles, to help educators create effective online learning communities. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of

Re: SLES9 to SLES10 Upgrade

2007-04-03 Thread Mark Pace
Upgrades do not work so well going from SLES9 to SLES10 as you are probably talking about 32bit SLES9 and SLES10 is 64bit only. Your best solution is a fresh install. -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For LINUX-390

Re: SLES9 to SLES10 Upgrade

2007-04-03 Thread Michael MacIsaac
Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 04/03/2007 02:09:07 PM: Hi, Our vservers setup was mostly done using the procedures described in From LPAR to Virtual Servers in 2 Days by Michael MacIsaac, et al. So currently we have a cloning controller server and about a dozen cloned

Re: Moodle

2007-04-03 Thread Malcolm Beattie
Stephen Frazier writes: Is anyone running Moodle? Moodle is a course management system (CMS) - a free, Open Source software package designed using sound pedagogical principles, to help educators create effective online learning communities. Yes, I use it on Zeus (the hub supporting the

This Beer's for You

2007-04-03 Thread Mark Post
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Re: This Beer's for You

2007-04-03 Thread Mark Pace
On 4/3/07, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The perfect beer for Linux/390 Systems Administrators http://linuxvm.org/Info/l390beer.html Mark Post I would LOVE to have one of those beer glasses! Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems

Re: This Beer's for You

2007-04-03 Thread Steve Mitchell
Particularly if it happened to be full! Steve Mitchell Sr Systems Software Specialist Blue Cross Blue Shield of Kansas (785) 291-8885 'There are no degrees of Honesty-you're either Honest or you're not! Mark Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] m

Re: SLES9 to SLES10 Upgrade

2007-04-03 Thread Clark, Douglas
I am going from SLES9 64bit to SLES10. This will be an LPAR only update/install. Does the SuSE documentation adequately describe this process? Does anyone have any tips before I begin this effort. Thanks Doug -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: SLES9 to SLES10 Upgrade

2007-04-03 Thread David Boyes
I am going from SLES9 64bit to SLES10. This will be an LPAR only update/install. Does the SuSE documentation adequately describe this process? No. It doesn't really get updated much for specific platforms, and LPAR/bare metal is *very* rare. Any docs that might exist will probably be in

Re: SLES9 to SLES10 Upgrade

2007-04-03 Thread Mark Post
On Tue, Apr 3, 2007 at 4:26 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Clark, Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going from SLES9 64bit to SLES10. This will be an LPAR only update/install. Does the SuSE documentation adequately describe this process? Does anyone have any tips before I begin

[OT] Linux Beer - Translated

2007-04-03 Thread Neale Ferguson
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Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server

2007-04-03 Thread Marcy Cortes
Hey cool. It worked. Thanks Mark. I replaced the other 1: line with this line below. But it doesn't have the little line in the console that makes us feel all warm and fuzzy that the service finished booting correctly: That is Welcome to SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9 (s390x) - Kernel

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server

2007-04-03 Thread shogunx
On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Marcy Cortes wrote: Hey cool. It worked. Thanks Mark. I replaced the other 1: line with this line below. But it doesn't have the little line in the console that makes us feel all warm and fuzzy that the service finished booting correctly: That is Welcome to SUSE LINUX

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server

2007-04-03 Thread Mark Post
On Tue, Apr 3, 2007 at 5:14 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcy Cortes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey cool. It worked. Thanks Mark. I replaced the other 1: line with this line below. But it doesn't have the little line in the console that makes us feel all warm and fuzzy that the

Re: This Beer's for You

2007-04-03 Thread Ray Mullins
delurk Ich will das trinken! /delurk -- M. Ray Mullins Roseville, CA, USA http://www.catherdersoftware.com/ http://www.mrmullins.big-bear-city.ca.us/ http://www.the-bus-stops-here.org/ German is essentially a form of assembly language consisting entirely of far calls heavily accented with

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server

2007-04-03 Thread Adam Thornton
On Apr 3, 2007, at 4:26 PM, Mark Post wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2007 at 5:14 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] , Marcy Cortes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey cool. It worked. Thanks Mark. I replaced the other 1: line with this line below. But it doesn't have the little line in the console that

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server

2007-04-03 Thread Adam Thornton
On Apr 3, 2007, at 5:17 PM, Adam Thornton wrote: Seriously, folks. It's Linux, not Solaris: /bin/sh is POSIX- compliant (boy, was I surprised last week when some of my POSIX scripts barfed-and-died on. Er, I seem to have forgotten what I was doing there. barfed-and-died on Solaris 10) is

Re: SLES9 to SLES10 Upgrade

2007-04-03 Thread Clark, Douglas
Is it me, or does the update from one release of SuSE Enterprise Linux to another version via fresh install seem strange to anyone else? -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 1:42 PM To:

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server

2007-04-03 Thread Kielek, Samuel
That's because on Linux, /bin/sh is typically just a symlink to /bin/bash. I would imagine if you were to use bash on your Solaris machine the result would be what you were expecting. And vice versa, if you were to actually use the real bourne shell on Linux, it would fail. -Sam -Original

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server (fwd)

2007-04-03 Thread shogunx
oh, and by the way, thakns for the censorship, and snarfing my script as your own. dick. sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:48:24 -0400 (EDT) From: shogunx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux on 390 Port

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server

2007-04-03 Thread Adam Thornton
On Apr 3, 2007, at 5:43 PM, Kielek, Samuel wrote: That's because on Linux, /bin/sh is typically just a symlink to /bin/bash. I would imagine if you were to use bash on your Solaris machine the result would be what you were expecting. And vice versa, if you were to actually use the real bourne

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server (fwd)

2007-04-03 Thread Mark Post
On Tue, Apr 3, 2007 at 6:56 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], shogunx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh, and by the way, thakns for the censorship, and snarfing my script as your own. dick. Were you directing this vitriol at anyone in particular? I can't say I've seen anyone engaging in

Re: SLES9 to SLES10 Upgrade

2007-04-03 Thread Mark Post
On Tue, Apr 3, 2007 at 6:34 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Clark, Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it me, or does the update from one release of SuSE Enterprise Linux to another version via fresh install seem strange to anyone else? Not to me, since you're not doing a fresh install.

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server (fwd)

2007-04-03 Thread Rich Smrcina
That's the second obtuse comment I've seen out of you today. Clearly uncalled for. shogunx wrote: oh, and by the way, thakns for the censorship, and snarfing my script as your own. dick. sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone:

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server

2007-04-03 Thread Kielek, Samuel
I guess all I was trying to indirectly point out was that this behaviour is caused by the fact that Solaris has the heirloom Bourne shell as /bin/sh (which existed prior to POSIX.2). By the way, the XPG version (/usr/xpg4/bin/sh) on Solaris does support $(). I do agree and wonder why at this

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server

2007-04-03 Thread Adam Thornton
On Apr 3, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Kielek, Samuel wrote: I guess all I was trying to indirectly point out was that this behaviour is caused by the fact that Solaris has the heirloom Bourne shell as /bin/sh (which existed prior to POSIX.2). By the way, the XPG version (/usr/xpg4/bin/sh) on Solaris does

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server (fwd)

2007-04-03 Thread shogunx
Oh my. If this list is set to not echo posts back to the sender, then you all have my sincerest apologies. When I did not see my post, I assumed someone did not like my commentary, and I saw a similar script as the one I posted. Given that assumption, I assumed I was speaking to whomever did

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server

2007-04-03 Thread Vic Cross
On Mon, 2007-04-02 at 16:11 +0200, Rob van der Heij wrote: We did it slightly different with an experimental patch to OpenSSH that allows for the public keys to be kept in LDAP. That means there's only one place where the public key is held. That LDAP server would allow the end-user to upload

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server

2007-04-03 Thread Vic Cross
On Mon, 2007-04-02 at 16:11 +0200, Rob van der Heij wrote: We did it slightly different with an experimental patch to OpenSSH that allows for the public keys to be kept in LDAP. That means there's only one place where the public key is held. That LDAP server would allow the end-user to upload

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server (fwd)

2007-04-03 Thread Adam Thornton
On Apr 3, 2007, at 7:10 PM, shogunx wrote: Oh my. If this list is set to not echo posts back to the sender, then you all have my sincerest apologies. When I did not see my post, I assumed someone did not like my commentary, and I saw a similar script as the one I posted. Given that

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server

2007-04-03 Thread Kielek, Samuel
I just noticed there is a man page on solaris that details its standards compliance. Try 'man standards' for the somewhat lengthy details. Here is the bit I found most relevant: If the behavior required by POSIX.2, POSIX.2a, XPG4, SUS, or SUSv2 conflicts with historical Solaris

Re: Philosophy: connecting to a Linux server

2007-04-03 Thread Adam Thornton
On Apr 3, 2007, at 8:46 PM, Kielek, Samuel wrote: I just noticed there is a man page on solaris that details its standards compliance. Try 'man standards' for the somewhat lengthy details. Here is the bit I found most relevant: If the behavior required by POSIX.2, POSIX.2a, XPG4, SUS, or