Re: [OT] new hardisk advice (was: What's short read error?

2003-03-04 Thread Cedar Cox
What about S.M.A.R.T. for IDE HDs? I don't really know anything about it, but IIRC it's supposed to give early warning of disk failure.. -Cedar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the

RE: [OT] new hardisk advice (was: What's short read error?

2003-03-04 Thread Aviram Jenik
What about S.M.A.R.T. for IDE HDs? I don't really know anything about it, but IIRC it's supposed to give early warning of disk failure.. There's a nice SMART tool for Linux: http://sourceforge.net/projects/smartsuite/ Haven't tried it myself, but I heard good things. - Aviram

Re: [Which list?] Unicode, bidi, terminals and tables

2003-03-04 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-03-03, Moshe Kaminsky wrote: Hi, Won't it be nice if at least I can make the output of any program to be piped through bidiv (without explicitly mentioning it)? I tried mkfifo jojo (while true; do; bidiv jojo; done) exec jojo This works for basic output, but has (at least) the

[Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
From RISKS Digest: :) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 08:57:38 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy It seems that some FTP sites that host OpenOffice are getting cease and desist e-mail from the BSA about their purported piracy of MS Office. Maybe

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-03-04, Alon Altman wrote: On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Alon Altman wrote: If you want to use egged.co.il on Mozilla, use my interface. It's much easier and lighter - http://alon.wox.org/egged.html (ignore the line no. box) Sorry, but

Re: [Which list?] Unicode, bidi, terminals and tables

2003-03-04 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-03-03, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Mon, Mar 03, 2003, Beni Cherniavsky wrote about Re: [Which list?] Unicode, bidi, terminals and tables: - The raw/cooked modes are not very elegant; cooked mode actually belongs in user-space. 9term had an elegant idea of user-trigered Well

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Eli Billauer
I think this is quite sad. Not the BSA accusations, but the fact that they are right. Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but a clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has a very related name. Every little item on the window's outline just

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Fine, then what should I do next time when I'm coming from my parents city (Tzfat) to Tel Aviv and want to know the schedule? A. Use mozilla, see that it doesn't show the web site and simply wait outside for a bus few hours.. B. Use Konqueror, see the site, schedule my

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-03-04, Shoshannah Forbes wrote: C. complain at the site, and meantime use the phone to call Eggedd (that is what I do) I complained and they returned some response thanking me for the refernce (to webstandards - which I'm not sure they even bothered chekcing) and generally feeling we

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: On 2003-03-04, Shoshannah Forbes wrote: C. complain at the site, and meantime use the phone to call Eggedd (that is what I do) I complained and they returned some response thanking me for the refernce (to webstandards - which I'm not sure they

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread herouth
Quoting Shoshannah Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: C. complain at the site, and meantime use the phone to call Eggedd (that is what I do) I do that, but it doesn't work. Of all the sites I complained to, the only one who did anything was yellow pages, which didn't improve its site, merely removed

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 04:14:07PM +0200, Eli Billauer wrote: Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but a clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has a very related name. Every little item on the window's outline just happen to be exactly

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about Re: egged.co.il works: Organize? Maybe create a site or a subsite which contains links of all the uncooperative sites, and give them bad rap in the press? Create a nice PDF in Hebrew about standardization of a site, and send it to management

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
Eli Billauer wrote: Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but a clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has a very related name. Every little item on the window's outline just happen to be exactly where MS-Word put it. This can't be mistaken. Just

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me it's worse than most of you - my other OS is a MacOS... If you look at the headers of this email, you will notice that this makes two of us... :) Organize? That is what I have been pushing for. Maybe create a site or a subsite which contains links of all the

RE: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Alon Weinstein
Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but a clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has a very related name. Every little item on the window's outline just happen to be exactly where MS-Word put it. This can't be mistaken. So... don't open

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread Shachar Shemesh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Organize? Maybe create a site or a subsite which contains links of all the uncooperative sites, and give them bad rap in the press? Create a nice PDF in Hebrew about standardization of a site, and send it to management levels in those companies? I'm at a loss. For me it's

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 05:50:37PM +0200, Alon Weinstein wrote: So... don't open KWord! I don't use any Linux app which imitates the (broken, IMHO) MS GUI interfaces. Neither KWord, nor evolution, nor openoffice, nor name-your-favorite-MS-application-Linux-clone. Care to list the

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
I am willing to take that one up as a representative of an official body, and try to get things changed. I would, however, ask you to help me focuse my efforts. Please give a quick vote of the site whose lack of support for konq/moz is the most troubling, and let me know. I think Bank Leumi

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Of this list, 1yashir, discount and kupat holim seem the most urgent to me. That's because they are suppliers that, if you happen to be their customer, it is very difficult for you to switch. I'll let you know what I came up with. Shachar Shoshannah Forbes wrote: I am willing to

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-03-04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Organize? Maybe create a site or a subsite which contains links of all the uncooperative sites, and give them bad rap in the press? Create a nice PDF in Hebrew about standardization of a site, and send it to management levels in those companies? I'm at

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread linux_il
On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 00:54, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about Re: egged.co.il works: So another broken site is supported, instead of it being built properly. Right... And worse, this gives Microsoft a whole new baseline on which they can create new

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: egged.co.il works: me focuse my efforts. Please give a quick vote of the site whose lack of support for konq/moz is the most troubling, and let me know. I think Bank Leumi is the candidate for this. Anyone else? Yes. Bank Leumi is the

Browsers, compatility, and price

2003-03-04 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
I would like to say a few words about $SUBJECT.. As you know, in many companies (be it Egged, government offices, etc) they place a bid for a 3rd party company to build them a site according to specs given by the company. As my previous boss in Tehila told me: Hetz, there are 2 ways to

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Vadim Vygonets
Quoth Alon Weinstein on Tue, Mar 04, 2003: Care to list the alternative options? I can guess Lyx for document creation, GIMP for image manipulation, but that's where my list ends. What are the options to perform other common tasks: -- Email Organizer (an only-email client is no replacement

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Eli Billauer wrote: And the other sad thing, is that Linux is risking its legitimate status by offending laws of intellectual property. And for no reason at all. IANAL, but I think Linux is taking the very same risk Microsoft is - when they took the Mac OS look feel from Apple. Apple filed

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-03-04, Eli Billauer wrote: Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: So... don't open KWord! I had no choice. I had to see what Openoffice was, so I opened it. ;) You are confused, I'm afraid. KWord is part of KOffice, which is part of KDE. OpenWriter is part of OpenOffice, OSS derivative of Sun's

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Eli Billauer wrote: And the other sad thing, is that Linux is risking its legitimate status by offending laws of intellectual property. And for no reason at all. IANAL, but I think Linux is taking the very same risk Microsoft is - when they took the Mac OS look

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread Alon Altman
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Of this list, 1yashir, discount and kupat holim seem the most urgent to me. That's because they are suppliers that, if you happen to be their customer, it is very difficult for you to switch. I'll let you know what I came up with. I second

Re: Browsers, compatility, and price

2003-03-04 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: I would like to say a few words about $SUBJECT.. As you know, in many companies (be it Egged, government offices, etc) they place a bid for a 3rd party company to build them a site according to specs given by the company. As my previous boss in

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread Alon Altman
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: On 2003-03-04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Organize? Maybe create a site or a subsite which contains links of all the uncooperative sites, and give them bad rap in the press? Create a nice PDF in Hebrew about standardization of a site, and send it

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Dan Kenigsberg
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003, Eli Billauer wrote about Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]: But the problem is not that some people want a WYSIWYG word processor, or spreadsheets. Micro$oft doesn't have any rights on the WYSIWYG concept. But if you call an application KWord

RE: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread iastrubn
ok, i see that you understand what I sayd before I malied it... sorry... Again I agree, and that is why I fell in love with Linux. To extend my previous point -- if there was some kind of a Graphics Interface equivalent to pipes so people could combine GUI-ed together as easily as doing

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And about looking like MS-Word, do you also say that Mazda cars (say) stole something from Ford, because Ford had the concept of a car, with four wheels and an engine, before Mazda? Since when is honestly producing competing products to successful

Re: Browsers, compatility, and price

2003-03-04 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-03-04, Nadav Har'El wrote: What happens if you take the cheaper company and tell them don't do me any favors - don't write javascript, don't write any flash animations. I want every link in the page to be an HTML A HREF= What do you think will happen? They'll increase their price?

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
EB Whatever I think about IP laws, I can't escape the bare fact EB that KWord violates quite a few of them. When _I_ think about IP laws, I can't help thinking it is basically wrong to give people ownership of ideas. This concept have gone way too far. If someone discovered the fact that humans

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
NH Yes. Bank Leumi is the worst as far as I'm concerned. What is funny - once it was the best. But it looks like some greedy site-forge managers were in need of some cash so that they succeeded to convince BL people that they need to break perfectly working system and erect in its place another

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-03-04, Vadim Vygonets wrote: Quoth Alon Weinstein on Tue, Mar 04, 2003: Care to list the alternative options? I can guess Lyx for document creation, GIMP for image manipulation, but that's where my list ends. What are the options to perform other common tasks: -- Email

Re: Browsers, compatility, and price

2003-03-04 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
NH I want every link in the page to be an HTML A HREF= What do you NH think will happen? They'll increase their price? I seriously doubt that. NH Their work will actually become easier! No, but it'd have to become cheaper! You can't anymore charge for sophisticated link direction system, only

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread linux_il
On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 22:05, Shoshannah Forbes wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think many people who despise MS (me among them) admit that they are kings when it comes to GUI design and usability for non-technical users. I guess you never used a Mac then... Not recently. In fact I can't

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Marc A. Volovic
Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Not recently. In fact I can't remember when I actually used a Mac. My clearest memory is circa Apple IIc and Mac 1 (Marc - it's when we first met - do you remember what year it was?) Certainly before '85. Probably before '83. Possibly around 81-82. -- ---MAV

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread Herouth Maoz
At 17:57 +0200 on 4/3/2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I am willing to take that one up as a representative of an official body, and try to get things changed. I would, however, ask you to help me focuse my efforts. Please give a quick vote of the site whose lack of support for konq/moz is the

Re: Browsers, compatility, and price

2003-03-04 Thread Herouth Maoz
At 22:19 +0200 on 4/3/2003, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Here you got to the root of the problem on the Israeli web design market. When the person responicble for the design of the major government or financial organisation says you the site is dull and suggests to add more colors and a couple

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
SF Mac OS9 is one of the best UI out there for your grandma. OSX does a Maybe for grandma, I don't know, had no chance to ever teach my grandma computers... But as for me, the mac OS appeared to me first very much unusable. The concept of one application per system is rather confusing - where are

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Oron Peled
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:44:21 +0200 (IST) Stanislav Malyshev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EB Whatever I think about IP laws, I can't escape the bare fact EB that KWord violates quite a few of them. (EB) declares his hypothesis a fact :-) When _I_ think about IP laws, I can't help thinking it is

Re: Browsers, compatility, and price

2003-03-04 Thread Alon Altman
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Alon Altman wrote: You can do this easily with some spare change, by buying a Google adword for Egged and/or the hebrew equivalent. Anyone has a Goolge AdWords account? It's only about $0.05 per day for an adword on Hebrew egged. Please email me in private. Alon

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-04 Thread Daniel Vainsencher
I think a good focus is important markets and monopoly institutes. Banks are a good example, but focusing on a specific bank might be counter productive - if someone there has an interest in the status-quo, there's not much to do about it. However, there are various reasons all banks should want

Google AdWords and Ha'makor

2003-03-04 Thread Alon Altman
Hi, One interesting activity that Ha'Makor might want to sponsor is a Google AdWord campaign to push our interests (for example, a search for website building tools or firms should have an ad for standards supporting firms and tools). This activity is very inexpensive ($0.05 per click) and might

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-04 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Beni Cherniavsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't rsh with an empty password a good replacement for Outlook? :-( No. The r in rsh stands for restricted... -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to

Mutt 1.4

2003-03-04 Thread Eli Segal
Have you guys try it ??? it says on their site that it uses iconv to display the msg so that means it will support hebrew out of the box ??? ELi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the