Re: HTML/CSS font sizes
Yonah Russ wrote: That is the exact opposite point of the Internet- no offense. You have no clue who is browsing your website. The person could be color blind, or totally blind, or deaf or dyslexic, or motorically challenged, or just Old. Everyone sees a web page differently. Are they using 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768? True, it's nice to make a nice looking website but your goal has to be the information in the website - not the way the website looks. The design should be a secondary factor. People that are interested in changing the size of the text on your website may be using screen magnifiers, or may be using personal style sheets to overide your styles. They may be hearing your webpage instead of reading it. They may have the pictures turned off. I know. But I want my website to look good even for these people. I don't want them to think that my website is ugly just because it looks ugly on their browser, even though they could use Opera (for example) to zoom it the whole site. Compare it to a painting or a movie. The author or the painting or movie wants people to see his work as it is. He doesn't want people to change the way it looks when they see it. So the same it with the web graphic designer and webmaster. I checked (for example) how my website looks with no style and it looks terrible. I don't want anybody to see my website this way! The basic questions you need to ask are: 1) is all the information there without the pictures. 2) is all the information there without sound (if you have a narrarated flash intro- use subtitles) 3) is the information organized in a logical manner (using tables for design often breaks this) 3) lastly - does it look good in default installations of IE 5+, Mozilla 1.6+, Firefox, Opera, Safari I can't check each page with all the 5 browsers. Time is not infinite, you know. So I think there should be a standard - much like in PDF. In PDF you can't change text size, but you can zoom in and out. I think this is the correct way to handle it. Sometimes the information can't be there without pictures. For example, a website about paintings. The pictures ARE the information! Best Regards, Uri Even-Chen Speedy Net Raanana, Israel. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +972-9-7715013 Website: www.uri.co.il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please enlighten me
I have been following this thread with some amusement. Of COURSE the prima-facie reason is US government concern; whether it is justified or not is a matter of curiosity. I believe that there is possibly another reason - that Checkpoint backed out because it the value of the deal became less attractive with all the hassle and negative publicity. Backing out was a business reason; it just wasnt worth the trouble. Checkpoint use the open source version of Snort in Interspect and the prospects for the IPS market are not all that promising if you look at the financial results and the multipliers of IPS companies. For example Cisco's IPS business is about 10M out of a 1BN network security business. Outside the US (and Israel) the IPS market is not growing particularly well so future revenue prospects for Sourcefire RNA are well, ok but not amazing. I can imaging Checkpoint management saying, let's cut our losses and move on. Danny Aviram Jenik wrote: On Saturday 25 March 2006 00:42, Amos Shapira wrote: On 3/25/06, Aviram Jenik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As always, it's a combination of several things. There's a very good write-up about it on eWeek that explains the situation: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1934909,00.asp It doesn't reveal any new facts about the subject (except mentioning that he wrote about your company previously). What kind of new information were you looking for? The facts are there; there's nothing left to do but add commentary. I'm still baffled about why the US government should care - it's a widely-spread rumor that they use Check Point's firewall to protect their highest network assets, for instance. Well, I guess you didn't really read the article (perhaps you just read the part where our company is mentioned?) Larry explains quite clearly that the US government is a customer of Sourcefire, and they are concerned about the product that is used to protect computers with sensitive information will become owned by a Foreign company that will have control over the product. Oded - Larry takes a stand against the foreign company part. Can he therefore be excluded from the stupid American group? Please? Please? If required, I'm sure he'll be willing to take an IQ test (or whatever else you think appropriate) - Aviram = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] HTML/CSS font sizes
Uri Even-Chen wrote: Ilya Konstantinov wrote: Common sense of web design: If you're a web designer who is interested in keeping his work's ARTISTIC INTEGRITY in the face of all those erratic, unpredictable USERS conspiring to mess it up, then you'd be better off authoring Flash movies or PDFs, where you have the maximum amount of control and the users have the minimal amount of flexibility. I want to be able to create a graphic designed website which has the advantages of PDF, but also to be able to use HTML features such as links, forms, etc. I want all users to enjoy my website, but users who use Firefox and change the text size will not be able to enjoy my website - it looks ugly! People with bad eye-sight will not be able to enjoy your web site when it has a constant-sized font: They couldn't read it! Besides, ultimately, the user should have the control, not the artist. If the user changed his font size, DPI or forced his own fonts instead of webpage's, he did it for a reason and his decision should be respected. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Offshoring
While people are complaining about the paranoia of the U.S. government, they are ignoring the most likely explanation. A big political thing in the U.S. now is offshoring, the loss of American jobs to people in foreign countries. It's a big problem in heavily industrialized nations because the price of labor and benefits is so high that people in India and in some cases Israel can compete very well. Call centers are programming are the hot items now, manufacturing slipped so long ago, I wonder if anything is made in the U.S. at all. People have begun to realize that the jobs they lose are their own, and are complaining. The Bush administration has a let it happen attitude, the Democrats are against it. It will be a major issue in the next (2006 Congressional and 2008 Presidential) elections. The UAE ports debate was just a smokescreen, no matter who owns or operates them, the work still has to be done in the U.S. However the ports are highly unionized and the workers were afraid the new owners would not honor the old owners contracts or bring in cheap nonunion labor from overseas. My guess is that members of the congressional committe in charge of defense spending are up for reelection and if they are on record of aproving offshoring they will be looking for new jobs in December. It would be wise to pay attention to what happens, not only does it affect the Israeli job market, but in ten years those of us who are left here will be complaining that all the programing jobs went to India and China. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: HTML/CSS font sizes
On 3/26/06, Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yonah Russ wrote: People that are interested in changing the size of the text on your website may be using screen magnifiers, or may be using personal style sheets to overide your styles. They may be hearing your webpage instead of reading it. They may have the pictures turned off.I know.But I want my website to look good even for these people.Idon't want them to think that my website is ugly just because it looksugly on their browser, even though they could use Opera (for example) to zoom it the whole site.Compare it to a painting or a movie.Theauthor or the painting or movie wants people to see his work as it is.He doesn't want people to change the way it looks when they see it.So the same it with the web graphic designer and webmaster.I checked (forexample) how my website looks with no style and it looks terrible.Idon't want anybody to see my website this way! But that's exactly the point. There are people that will see the site that way because they don't see at all or because they need very high contrast to read or for whatever reason. Do you think that blind people don't go to movies? The basic questions you need to ask are: 1) is all the information there without the pictures. 2) is all the information there without sound (if you have a narrarated flash intro- use subtitles) 3) is the information organized in a logical manner (using tables for design often breaks this) 3) lastly - does it look good in default installations of IE 5+, Mozilla 1.6+, Firefox, Opera, SafariI can't check each page with all the 5 browsers.Time is not infinite,you know.So I think there should be a standard - much like in PDF.In PDF you can't change text size, but you can zoom in and out.I thinkthis is the correct way to handle it. But zooming is not the only way people deal with web pages they view. It is very narrow minded to think that way. I hardly think that PDF is a format to be so amazed with. With proper web design you can do amazing things with your information. You can control the way a site is presented over various medium- aural, screen, print. You can link automatically to different translations. If you really want you can create multiple stylesheets for multiple zoom levels and create 3 different versions of the web page(but that again is missing the point a little). You can present the information in one visual order while presenting it in a different machine order- this is great for designing with screen readers in mind- you can move long lists of links after the content but display them visually before the content for sighted browsers. Sometimes the information can't be there without pictures.For example, a website about paintings.The pictures ARE the information! Not true- a well built site about paintings would have a longdesc tag for each picture describing the painting, who painted it, points of interest, etc. Do you think that blind people don't paint? In addition, there is always the classic example of using colors like green and red to indicate good and bad or functional and nonfunctional. To a color blind person (8% of all males I believe) that has no meaning. A properly designed site needs to have text along with the color to describe the same information ie. write the word 'Good' in green and the word 'Bad' in red. yonah Best Regards,Uri Even-ChenSpeedy NetRaanana, Israel.E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Phone: +972-9-7715013Website: www.uri.co.il
Re: Offshoring
Guess what Geoff: India isnt that cheap anymore and programming jobs are coming back to America, to the mid-West, places like Omaha, where the cost of living is cheap (cheaper than Israel btw) There is a level playing field - and if the only advantage you have is price, you've lost.We have to compete on creativity and writing great software. dL Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: While people are complaining about the paranoia of the U.S. government, they are ignoring the most likely explanation. A big political thing in the U.S. now is offshoring, the loss of American jobs to people in foreign countries. It's a big problem in heavily industrialized nations because the price of labor and benefits is so high that people in India and in some cases Israel can compete very well. Call centers are programming are the hot items now, manufacturing slipped so long ago, I wonder if anything is made in the U.S. at all. People have begun to realize that the jobs they lose are their own, and are complaining. The Bush administration has a let it happen attitude, the Democrats are against it. It will be a major issue in the next (2006 Congressional and 2008 Presidential) elections. The UAE ports debate was just a smokescreen, no matter who owns or operates them, the work still has to be done in the U.S. However the ports are highly unionized and the workers were afraid the new owners would not honor the old owners contracts or bring in cheap nonunion labor from overseas. My guess is that members of the congressional committe in charge of defense spending are up for reelection and if they are on record of aproving offshoring they will be looking for new jobs in December. It would be wise to pay attention to what happens, not only does it affect the Israeli job market, but in ten years those of us who are left here will be complaining that all the programing jobs went to India and China. Geoff. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: HTML/CSS font sizes
On Sun, Mar 26, 2006, Yonah Russ wrote about Fwd: HTML/CSS font sizes: But zooming is not the only way people deal with web pages they view. It is very narrow minded to think that way. I hardly think that PDF is a format to be so amazed with. With proper web design you can do amazing things with your information. You can control the way a site is presented over various I think this is a very important point to remember. For example, something that often happens to me (and I have pretty normal vision...) with PDFs is that I zoom in to get the text larger on the screen, but then, a full page (a concept which is central to PDF but luckily not to HTML) doesn't fit on the screen, and then I need to start scrolling horizontally and vertically to see the full page. It's so much easier for me to view a long HTML page... The problem is that PDF is great for making exact copies of what the author intended (e.g., print an article exactly like the one the author printed on his printer). HTML is great for showing content in the way the *viewer* intended (allowing him or her to change the font size, the window size, and so on). -- Nadav Har'El|Sunday, Mar 26 2006, 26 Adar 5766 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy http://nadav.harel.org.il |every minute of it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Fwd: HTML/CSS font sizes
Nadav Har'El wrote: The problem is that PDF is great for making exact copies of what the author intended (e.g., print an article exactly like the one the author printed on his printer). HTML is great for showing content in the way the *viewer* intended (allowing him or her to change the font size, the window size, and so on). I want to have something with the advantages of both PDF and HTML. I want my users to see exactly what I intended, but also to be able to link between pages, use forms etc. It works with CSS on Internet Explorer, Opera, and also Firefox - but only if you don't change the text size. That's the problem. I know I can do it with Flash, but personally I don't like Flash too much. I prefer HTML with CSS. Flash has its own disadvantages. For example - forms, copy/paste etc. Maybe HTML CSS should have a better standard, something like PDF. So it will be possible to create websites which look the same for users of all browsers. If people have a specific sight problem, their case could be handled specifically. For example, by zooming in and out of a page, or changing colors etc. Best Regards, Uri Even-Chen Speedy Net Raanana, Israel. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +972-9-7715013 Website: www.uri.co.il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Portable MP3 player?
On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 05:31:04PM +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: You can get one of those cheap no-name MP3 players that go for around 250 shekels for the capacity you list (but check the stores and Internet sites for up-to-date prices). They have everything you asked for, and much more (including a built-in radio and an ability to record from the radio or from the builtin mic), except one thing: all these cheap MP3 players use a AAA battery, violating your rule #4. But why do you insist on a AA battery? You can actually buy for around 60 shekels or a charger plus 4 rechargable AAA batteries, and each of those batteries lasts for around 10 hours of music playing for just one battery. Since a 256 MB player only holds about 4 hours of music, 10 hours is not bad. Especially when I consider that the first CD player I bought (around 1989) required 4 AA batteries, and could play just around 2 hours for one charge of the four batteries... It depends upon what you want to listen to and how it is encoded. If you are listenting to music in a quiet place then a 192k bits per second (24.5k bytes per second) and you get three hours in 256 meg. Most likely you assumed 128kbps MP3s, which are 2/3 the size. They would last four and a half hours. If the player takes AAC (MPEG-4) audio encoded files, 96k would do, bringing it up to 6 hours. Since what I really want to listen to is audiobooks, a 16kbps AAC file would do nicely, which would go 36 hours. Since you can buybulk packs of 12 Everyready energizer AA batteries at Office Depot for about the price of an 8 pack of the same batteries in AAA, it quickly becomes a noticable difference. The best AAA rechargable battery holds 800 mah, the equivalent AA battery holds 2200mah or more, about three times. The only problem I see with those numbersis that AFIK, the only cheap MP3 player that plays AAC files is the Apple iPOD shuffle which is ridiculously priced. In the U.S. a 512meg one sells for a competitive $69, here it is about twice that, yet they are only taxed VAT. My first CD portable player used four D batteries. In fact the battery cases were so rare that it took me six months to get one, and I carried it around in a camera case with the batteries in seperate holders, wired together. People laughed when they saw my set up, but when it started to play (take off on an old piano joke). :-) Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: HTML/CSS font sizes
On Sun, Mar 26, 2006, Uri Even-Chen wrote about Re: Fwd: HTML/CSS font sizes: I want to have something with the advantages of both PDF and HTML. I want my users to see exactly what I intended, but also to be able to link between pages, use forms etc. It works with CSS on Internet Explorer, Opera, and also Firefox - but only if you don't change the text size. That's the problem. Why is text size the only problem? Aren't you also bothered about the user's ability to, for example, change the browser window's width? When the user does this, the text lines get shorter and paragraphs may get longer, causing images to look too small, or whatever. Maybe HTML CSS should have a better standard, something like PDF. So it will be possible to create websites which look the same for users of all browsers. If people have a specific sight problem, their case could be handled specifically. For example, by zooming in and out of a page, or changing colors etc. I still don't understand how the page can be the same as the author saw it if you allow something as basic as resizing the browser window. Instead of being the same, wouldn't it be better to give the author better control of stating his intentions? For example, perhaps if HTML had an attribute for images that make them automatically resize to fill a certain box, that would make them behave as you want? P.S. If you genuinely don't understand why Firefox's text size not (zoom) feature works the way it works, let me give you an explanation. On many (too many) Web pages), the authors specify a very small font, which perhaps looks good to them (20 year olds with a 30 display) but to many users the text is too small to comfortably read; it doesn't have to be blind or nearly-blind people - it could be ordinary people who sit somewhat farther from the screen, or are just tired of reading pages upon pages of tiny text and want to see it larger. BUT, they want the text to be enlarged, they have absolutely no need for the graphics to grow: the bullets don't need to be larger circles, the site's logo doesn't need to be larger, and pictures (say, in a news site) don't need to be made larger and ugly (which is typically what happens when you artificially enlarge an image). As I already said, my vision is relatively normal, and I find myself at least once a week using Firefox's control-+ (text size) feature on some annoying site. The behavior that you asked for (or at least, I understood you asked for) doesn't make much sense to typical users like myself, and worse: while you think it will make the site look better, the zooming of images might, I think, actually make it look worse, with ugly pixelated auto-enlarged images. -- Nadav Har'El|Sunday, Mar 26 2006, 26 Adar 5766 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Martin Luther King said I have a dream, http://nadav.harel.org.il |not I have a plan. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: HTML/CSS font sizes
On 3/26/06, Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe HTML CSS should have a better standard, something like PDF.Soit will be possible to create websites which look the same for users ofall browsers.If people have a specific sight problem, their case could be handled specifically.For example, by zooming in and out of a page,or changing colors etc. Not to start a war or anything but you obviously have no clue how much work goes into writing the standards at the W3C. You have probably never read the standards and if you read them, you obviously didn't understand them or how to use them. The Internet is about publishing information and not about making websites. Websites are just a byproduct. The key to the success of the internet is the way it works. Anyone can decide how and what to do with the information you put on the internet. Spiders can index it, make it searchable. Other programs can decide if your business is doing well by monitoring news traffic and analyst columns. Other programs can filter it so kids don't see things they shouldn't. People who are blind can listen to it and people that are deaf can read it. The key is that the browser decides what to do with it and it is not a bad thing. I'm not saying the standards are perfect. They are for sure not, but there is no way to create a standard to handle everyone's problems- the standard defines that people can handle their own problems however they want and it's the web designers job to give them all the information they need in order to do so. yonah Best Regards,Uri Even-ChenSpeedy NetRaanana, Israel.E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Phone: +972-9-7715013Website: www.uri.co.il= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] withthe word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the commandecho unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Portable MP3 player?
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: The only problem I see with those numbersis that AFIK, the only "cheap" MP3 player that plays AAC files is the Apple iPOD shuffle which is ridiculously priced. In the U.S. a 512meg one sells for a competitive $69, here it is about twice that, yet they are only taxed VAT. I don't know if any of the following players answer your original specs, but Rockbox (www.rockbox.org) has AAC support on the iriver iHP1x0, H1x0, H3x0 series, and on the iPod 4G, Color/Photo, Nano and Video. I've only used rockbox on Archos hardware but it is great, open-source and feature filled jukebox software and is fully Hebrew-enabled. Gadi -- Gadi Cohen aka Kinslayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wastelands.net Freelance admin/coding/design HABONIM DROR linux/fantasy enthusiast KeyID 0x93F26EF5: 256A 1FC7 AA2B 6A8F 1D9B 6A5A 4403 F34B 93F2 6EF5
Re: Portable MP3 player?
On Sun, Mar 26, 2006, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote about Re: Portable MP3 player?: Since you can buybulk packs of 12 Everyready energizer AA batteries at Office Depot for about the price of an 8 pack of the same batteries in AAA, it quickly becomes a noticable difference. The best AAA rechargable battery holds 800 mah, the equivalent AA battery holds 2200mah or more, about three times. This is getting way off-topic, but since we started this thread... If you use rechargable batteries (and like I said, I bought 4 AAA batteries and a charger for just 50 shekels), does it really matter that each battery holds less charge? How difficult is it to change the battery every 10 hours of listening, and always keep a few batteries charged for when you need them? Of course, this assumes that you have intermittent access to electricity, to charge your battery collection once in a while. If you can't get access to electricity every week (say, in a month long hike in the jungle) then I guess this can indeed become a problem because indeed alkaline AAA baterries are very expensive, The only problem I see with those numbersis that AFIK, the only cheap MP3 player that plays AAC files is the Apple iPOD shuffle which is ridiculously priced. In the U.S. a 512meg one sells for a competitive $69, here it is about twice that, yet they are only taxed VAT. Hmm, I didn't see in your original list of requirements that you need to play AAC files. I have no idea what these are, and I doubt the cheap mp3 player that I bought a year ago plays that. But maybe the new ones do? Why shouldn't they, when they already do almost anything concievable? My first CD portable player used four D batteries. In fact the battery cases were so rare that it took me six months to get one, and I carried it around in a camera case with the batteries in seperate holders, wired together. People laughed when they saw my set up, but when it started to play (take off on an old piano joke). :-) I also remember in the 80s, a lot of portable electronics used C, D and 9-volt batteries, and I had rechargable batteries (and a charger) for all these sizes. It appears that today, only the AAA and AA sizes survived, with the other batteries priced so ridiculously (e.g., 10 shekels for an alkaline battery) that only a sucker would buy them. I don't think I bought one C or D battery in the last 5 years... -- Nadav Har'El|Sunday, Mar 26 2006, 26 Adar 5766 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |A conscience does not prevent sin. It http://nadav.harel.org.il |only prevents you from enjoying it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thin client distributions
OK, I'll bite: On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 04:31:11PM +0200, Gil Freund wrote: Hi, I have been playing around with PXES and ThinStation, and I noticed others on the list did so as well: http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il/08-2004/11500.html What I am looking for is having a thin client with a browser, X, RDP and SSH. My problem is finding how to enable Hebrew on the Browser (mozilla) and rdesktop. Rdesktop allows me to write Hebrew, but the language toolbar disappears and ALT (meta?) seems sticky (requires a second tap to relase). I believe something aboutr that was discussed in this list. There should be some relevant messages from Ilya in this subject. Too lazy to search. Mozilla, is without Hebrew fonts. And why can't you add culmus? -- Tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
nfs mount to machine (which is aftereards down)
Hello, I am mounting a solaris folder (/export/home) by adding to /etc/fstab on a linux station the following: 192.168.0.10:/export/home /mnt/solaris nfs auto,rw where 192.168.0.10 is the address of the solaris station. I am running mount -a, and the solaris folder is mounted OK. ( The solaris station is up when the mount -a is issued) Then it happens sometimes that the solaris station is down for long periods of time. If I try from the Linux station: umount /mnt/solaris it hangs. Also if I try erronously to type cd /mnt/solaris than it hangs at the first letter (/mnt/s) and I have to close that window. Is there a way to avoid this problem ? maybe some additional patamter to the mount command in /etc/fstab? -- RG To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nfs mount to machine (which is aftereards down)
On Sun, Mar 26, 2006 at 03:02:44PM +0200, Rafi Gordon wrote: Hello, I am mounting a solaris folder (/export/home) by adding to /etc/fstab on a linux station the following: 192.168.0.10:/export/home /mnt/solaris nfs auto,rw where 192.168.0.10 is the address of the solaris station. I am running mount -a, and the solaris folder is mounted OK. ( The solaris station is up when the mount -a is issued) Then it happens sometimes that the solaris station is down for long periods of time. If I try from the Linux station: umount /mnt/solaris it hangs. Also if I try erronously to type cd /mnt/solaris than it hangs at the first letter (/mnt/s) and I have to close that window. Is there a way to avoid this problem ? maybe some additional patamter to the mount command in /etc/fstab? There are several options you can use, depending on what you want to achieve. Read the manpages exports(5) and mount(8). You might also consider an automounter (amd, am-utils, autofs). If you have a specific question, define exactly what you want to happen. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT - Palm GPRS Bluetooth connection
I apologize for this completely off-topic post, but after GOOGLEing for over 2 hours for what I thought would be a trivial thing, I've given up. And I hope some one on the list can help me. I have a Palm Zire 72 and plan to buy a Bluetooth enabled GPRS phone (most probably Motorola E1 or Motorola L2). I'm trying to find out if I can use this phone as a GPRS modem connected by Bluetooth to the Zire 72 for e-mail and/or web-surfing. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Again - I apologize for the OT. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail (KDE 3.4.2) on LINUX Mandriva 2006 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[HAIFUX LECTURE] udev by Parmahansa Polo
This Monday, at 18:30, Haifa Linux Club will once again gather to hear Parmahansa Polo talk about udev The lecture will cover the new udev mechanism. We meet in Taub building, room 3. For instructions see: http://haifux.org/where.html Attendance is free, and you are all invited! Haifux has decided to welcome shorter lectures as well, so if you have a topic which does not deserve the full two hours time, but is still worth introducing or mentioning, please contact us specifying the required amount of time. Future lectures include: 144 Linux on Laptops II Alon Altman 10/04/2006 145 LispYoni Rabkin 08/05/2006 and Meir Maor on DB, date pending approval. We are always looking for new lecturers and topics, and are scheduling the 2006 season. Got something interesting you wish to talk about? Got something new you want to learn, and need the drive of a lecture to make you learn it? Talk to us. -- Orr Dunkelman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] If it wasn't for C, we'd be writing programs in BASI, PASAL, and OBOL, anon Spammers: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~orrd/spam.html GPG fingerprint: C2D5 C6D6 9A24 9A95 C5B3 2023 6CAB 4A7C B73F D0AA (This key will never sign Emails, only other PGP keys.) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HTML/CSS font sizes
Nadav Har'El wrote: Why is text size the only problem? Aren't you also bothered about the user's ability to, for example, change the browser window's width? When the user does this, the text lines get shorter and paragraphs may get longer, causing images to look too small, or whatever. If you use tables, you can avoid such things from happening. For example, look at http://www.speedy.co.il/ or http://www.pazgal.com/ (my websites). Resize the windows. The websites don't change, you only have to scroll it if the window it too small. I still don't understand how the page can be the same as the author saw it if you allow something as basic as resizing the browser window. Instead of being the same, wouldn't it be better to give the author better control of stating his intentions? For example, perhaps if HTML had an attribute for images that make them automatically resize to fill a certain box, that would make them behave as you want? I think the HTML/CSS standard should also have an option of resizing websites to the size of the window. So if you resize the window, images and tables will resize automatically. It's possible with tables, but not with images (as far as I know). P.S. If you genuinely don't understand why Firefox's text size not (zoom) feature works the way it works, let me give you an explanation. On many (too many) Web pages), the authors specify a very small font, which perhaps looks good to them (20 year olds with a 30 display) but to many users the text is too small to comfortably read; it doesn't have to be blind or nearly-blind people - it could be ordinary people who sit somewhat farther from the screen, or are just tired of reading pages upon pages of tiny text and want to see it larger. BUT, they want the text to be enlarged, they have absolutely no need for the graphics to grow: the bullets don't need to be larger circles, the site's logo doesn't need to be larger, and pictures (say, in a news site) don't need to be made larger and ugly (which is typically what happens when you artificially enlarge an image). As I already said, my vision is relatively normal, and I find myself at least once a week using Firefox's control-+ (text size) feature on some annoying site. The behavior that you asked for (or at least, I understood you asked for) doesn't make much sense to typical users like myself, and worse: while you think it will make the site look better, the zooming of images might, I think, actually make it look worse, with ugly pixelated auto-enlarged images. Try to use Opera and see what I meant. Sometimes the website is built in a way that the proportion between the text and the graphics is fixed. If the proportion is changes, the website will break. I already wrote about Google ads. Here's another example: enter http://www.pazgal.com/contact/ , press control-+ a few times and see what happens. Try it with Firefox, Internet Explorer and Opera. See what happens with each of them. The problem is, Firefox ignores CSS text size when changing the default text size. I understand some people like it, but some don't. I don't. Best Regards, Uri Even-Chen Speedy Net Raanana, Israel. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +972-9-7715013 Website: www.uri.co.il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please enlighten me
On 3/26/06, Aviram Jenik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 25 March 2006 00:42, Amos Shapira wrote: On 3/25/06, Aviram Jenik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As always, it's a combination of several things. There's a very good write-up about it on eWeek that explains the situation: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1934909,00.asp It doesn't reveal any new facts about the subject (except mentioning that he wrote about your company previously). What kind of new information were you looking for? The facts are there; there's nothing left to do but add commentary. Everywere I read about this so far speculates that the government is concerned about reliability of the software sold by an Israeli-owned software maker. He speculates about this too and gives his own opinion based on this speculation. I didn't see any new facts in that article beyond a well put *opinion* about this speculation. Well, I guess you didn't really read the article (perhaps you just read the part where our company is mentioned?) Larry explains quite clearly that the US government is a customer of Sourcefire, and they are concerned about the Here is a quote: At the heart of this issue is that, apparently, the U.S. Government is a client of SourceFire and uses its products to protect computers with sensitive information. See that apparently? He's speculating like everyone else. He didn't bring any new information to the plate. Mind you, I like his view of this whole affair, but there is still a large gap about the facts and lots of room for speculation, IMHO. product that is used to protect computers with sensitive information will become owned by a Foreign company that will have control over the product. That's another thing that doesn't explain things but makes them more confusing since the US government already uses lots of products made outside the US to protect its network assets. --Amos To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please enlighten me
On 3/26/06, Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I think you are right. Would the Israeli army agree for workers of a company from a foreign country to be in charge of installing maintaining security software on the Israeli army's computers? Remember that a company can receive a court order from its Are you suggesting that the Israeli army uses only home-built computers, OS and applications? country, which it has to follow - whether it likes it or not. Remember that Google, Yahoo, Microsoft etc. give information to the Unites States government (with or without court orders), and even to the Chinese government. The world is controlled by power, and the USA wants to keep power and not share it with other countries. All countries want power. But some have more power than others. Yes, and the Protocols of the learned Elders of Zion are a clear proof that the jews control the world. This thread is turning lunatic. --Amos To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ATTN] please enlighten me
On Sunday March 26 2006 09:31, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Michael Vasiliev wrote: Oded, there are some things that I will certainly not tolerate on this list and xenophobia is one of them. Consider yourself officially warned. In case you decide to continue pursuing that topic, I'll arrange you a personal vacation with less reading and writing. Have a nice day. Have you never heard of freedom of speech? I don't agree with what he said, but he has the right to think and say it! He didn't curse and didn't break any rule, he just said that he thinks the American decision makers are stupid. I think there are some truth in it. But I wouldn't use the word stupid - I would use the words arrogant, selfish etc. First of all, I am a subscriber of the list for years, under various identities, and I think no one ever claimed that this list is to be a model of perfect democracy. I have reasons to believe that its creators never intended it to be like that (otherwise, why there is a mod?). Second, it is natural that every list subscriber have the right to say or yell whatever he likes AND take full responsibility for his words. I don't think that freedom of speech is all about the ability to troll or initiate a smear campaign every time you have a bad day. Third, I reserve the right to decide on my own what I see fit and what not, in absence of the board of moderators. Quite frankly, I don't need to explain my actions to anyone and my decisions are final. When each and every one joined, he or she agreed on the fact that the list is post-moderated. If any of the subscribers feel very uneasy about this fact, they are welcome to raise the topic on the public discussion, mail the owner, or, ultimately, un-subscribe sigh. Fourth, the topic has been raised in the past and my actions were questioned before. For some people, even my occasional interference with the _free_ discussion is bad enough. I want to make clear that there are no strict guidance or censorship on that list, other that the usual screening of automatically selected incoming mails to detect spam. No matter how silly I think the post is, it is being let through, and only then I decide on it's quality. Most curious readers could find exactly how many posts have the X-Approved-By: header. These were forwarded to the list manually. Fifth, I understand completely that the spirit of freedom, so abundant in the main topic of this list, has to manifest itself somehow in the list rules. For this reason, I suggest that the moderator group position(s) should be filled by annual election, similarly to moderated Usenet groups. Now, I strongly suggest that all inquiries of that nature should be directed to me or Ely via private mail. There is no reason to add to traffic on this list with discussions of that nature. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Linux-IL moderator Program testing can be a very effective way to show the presence of bugs, but is hopelessly inadequate for showing their absence. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HTML/CSS font sizes
On 3/26/06, Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yonah Russ wrote: People that are interested in changing the size of the text on your website may be using screen magnifiers, or may be using personal style sheets to overide your styles. They may be hearing your webpage instead of reading it. They may have the pictures turned off.I know.But I want my website to look good even for these people.Idon't want them to think that my website is ugly just because it looksugly on their browser, even though they could use Opera (for example) to zoom it the whole site.Compare it to a painting or a movie.Theauthor or the painting or movie wants people to see his work as it is.He doesn't want people to change the way it looks when they see it.So the same it with the web graphic designer and webmaster.I checked (forexample) how my website looks with no style and it looks terrible.Idon't want anybody to see my website this way! But that's exactly the point. There are people that will see the site that way because they don't see at all or because they need very high contrast to read or for whatever reason. Do you think that blind people don't go to movies? The basic questions you need to ask are: 1) is all the information there without the pictures. 2) is all the information there without sound (if you have a narrarated flash intro- use subtitles) 3) is the information organized in a logical manner (using tables for design often breaks this) 3) lastly - does it look good in default installations of IE 5+, Mozilla 1.6+, Firefox, Opera, SafariI can't check each page with all the 5 browsers.Time is not infinite,you know.So I think there should be a standard - much like in PDF.In PDF you can't change text size, but you can zoom in and out.I thinkthis is the correct way to handle it. But zooming is not the only way people deal with web pages they view. It is very narrow minded to think that way. I hardly think that PDF is a format to be so amazed with. With proper web design you can do amazing things with your information. You can control the way a site is presented over various medium- aural, screen, print. You can link automatically to different translations. If you really want you can create multiple stylesheets for multiple zoom levels and create 3 different versions of the web page(but that again is missing the point a little). You can present the information in one visual order while presenting it in a different machine order- this is great for designing with screen readers in mind- you can move long lists of links after the content but display them visually before the content for sighted browsers. Sometimes the information can't be there without pictures.For example,a website about paintings.The pictures ARE the information! Not true- a well built site about paintings would have a longdesc tag for each picture describing the painting, who painted it, points of interest, etc. Do you think that blind people don't paint? In addition, there is always the classic example of using colors like green and red to indicate good and bad or functional and nonfunctional. To a color blind person (8% of all males I believe) that has no meaning. A properly designed site needs to have text along with the color to describe the same information ie. write the word 'Good' in green and the word 'Bad' in red. yonah Best Regards,Uri Even-ChenSpeedy NetRaanana, Israel.E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Phone: +972-9-7715013Website: www.uri.co.il
Re: [ATTN] please enlighten me
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, Michael Vasiliev wrote: On Sunday March 26 2006 09:31, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Michael Vasiliev wrote: Oded, there are some things that I will certainly not tolerate on this list and xenophobia is one of them. Consider yourself officially warned. In case you decide to continue pursuing that topic, I'll arrange you a personal vacation with less reading and writing. Have a nice day. Have you never heard of freedom of speech? I don't agree with what he said, but he has the right to think and say it! He didn't curse and didn't break any rule, he just said that he thinks the American decision makers are stupid. I think there are some truth in it. But I wouldn't use the word stupid - I would use the words arrogant, selfish etc. First of all, I am a subscriber of the list for years, under various identities, and I think no one ever claimed that this list is to be a model of perfect democracy. I have reasons to believe that its creators never intended it to be like that (otherwise, why there is a mod?). I don't know what the original creator intention was, but I was trying my best during the years that things will be decided in a democratic way. True we never had official voting, but usually it was clear which side most of the people who posted supported. I don't think anyone on the list think xenaphodia should be allowed, there is just an argument on when it's bad enough to be thrown off the list, in that case I think respecting the view of the moderator unless it's something completly out of place is the correct action. Second, it is natural that every list subscriber have the right to say or yell whatever he likes AND take full responsibility for his words. I don't think that freedom of speech is all about the ability to troll or initiate a smear campaign every time you have a bad day. Maybe we should add don't drink and post to the rule list;) Third, I reserve the right to decide on my own what I see fit and what not, in absence of the board of moderators. Quite frankly, I don't need to explain my actions to anyone and my decisions are final. When each and every one joined, he or she agreed on the fact that the list is post-moderated. If any of the subscribers feel very uneasy about this fact, they are welcome to raise the topic on the public discussion, mail the owner, or, ultimately, un-subscribe sigh. The list should be informative and fun to read. But that changes according to the people who read the list. I find it that if someone behave in a way that disturb (whatever that will mean). It's usualy very effective to email that person off the list and politly ask hir to stop. If that person feel it wasn't right s/he usually address the list ask for opinion and in the result becomes yet another unwritten rule. (Which are much more fun than those boring written ones:) Fourth, the topic has been raised in the past and my actions were questioned before. For some people, even my occasional interference with the _free_ discussion is bad enough. I want to make clear that there are no strict guidance or censorship on that list, other that the usual screening of automatically selected incoming mails to detect spam. No matter how silly I think the post is, it is being let through, and only then I decide on it's quality. Most curious readers could find exactly how many posts have the X-Approved-By: header. These were forwarded to the list manually. People with power always get questioned:) it comes with the job. Breaks and balance:) Fifth, I understand completely that the spirit of freedom, so abundant in the main topic of this list, has to manifest itself somehow in the list rules. For this reason, I suggest that the moderator group position(s) should be filled by annual election, similarly to moderated Usenet groups. *Sign*, Do we really need all that? To be honest I don't think a mailing list should have rules at all. How about change it to guidelines? Anyhow how many other people can do as good job as you do?:) I hardly bother to read the spam that get to the list anymore these days because everytime you seem to beat me to it:) Now, I strongly suggest that all inquiries of that nature should be directed to me or Ely via private mail. There is no reason to add to traffic on this list with discussions of that nature. I think that something like elections deserves a public discussion? Ely -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Linux-IL moderator Program testing can be a very effective way to show the presence of bugs, but is hopelessly inadequate for showing their absence. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To
[OFFTOPIC] YIKES! UGH! Re: [ATTN] please enlighten me
On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 01:14 +0200, Ely Levy wrote: On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, Michael Vasiliev wrote: On Sunday March 26 2006 09:31, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Michael Vasiliev wrote: Oded, there are some things that I will certainly not tolerate on this list and xenophobia is one of them. Consider yourself officially warned. In case you decide to continue pursuing that topic, I'll arrange you a personal vacation with less reading and writing. Have a nice day. Have you never heard of freedom of speech? I don't agree with what he said, but he has the right to think and say it! He didn't curse and didn't break any rule, he just said that he thinks the American decision makers are stupid. I think there are some truth in it. But I wouldn't use the word stupid - I would use the words arrogant, selfish etc. [... snipped ...] Fifth, I understand completely that the spirit of freedom, so abundant in the main topic of this list, has to manifest itself somehow in the list rules. For this reason, I suggest that the moderator group position(s) should be filled by annual election, similarly to moderated Usenet groups. *Sign*, Do we really need all that? To be honest I don't think a mailing list should have rules at all. How about change it to guidelines? Anyhow how many other people can do as good job as you do?:) How I hate it when an institution worked fine for several years, and people generally were happy with it - until a man, strong in principles and weak in pragmatics, threw a stone into the well and 200 smart men could not get the stone out of the well. Sorry, until someone with very strong principles shouted the call for democracy, and now we are in the process of destroying what worked well just to satisfy some people with strong principles that there is a democracy. See, this mailing list is like a private bar. The owner sets the rules in a dictatorial way. But the spirit of freedom is preserved thanks to the fact that people, who do not accept the owner's rules are free to vote with their feet; and furthermore - they have several alternatives to that private bar. Furthermore, in the bar analogy, a bar managed by a democratically elected committee would not be as much fun as a bar managed by a single smart owner. In the Free Software world there are other examples of well-oiled and working dictatorships: Linux is under the undemocratic control of His Majesty BDFL Linus Torvalds. Python is likewise controlled by BDFL Guido van Rossum. And it is fun to program in it! To all the knights of democracy, please have a look in the contents rather than in the external form. See whether there is a mechanism for addressing everyone's concerns. Whether there is a feedback mechanism which keeps the dictator honest. Whether the institution is embedded in a democratic country. --- Omer -- MS-Windows is the Pal-Kal of the PC world. My own blog is at http://tddpirate.livejournal.com/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
