Re: Flash based games not working

2009-08-11 Thread Arie Skliarouk
That looks reminiscent to the way videos on site wejew.com don't work, for
example
http://wejew.com/media/5193/Hizbullah_Violates_UN_Resolution_1701_in_Lebanon_15.7.09/

It also loads up and the spinner rotates endlessly. The same problem happens
on Windows XP with firefox 3.5 (under IE it works).

I have been in touch with the developers of wejew.com and they said that
they use firefox 3.5 (on windows) and don't see any problems.

Micha, can you post direct URL to the problematic sheshbesh game on the
walla.co.il site please?

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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 08:33, Micha Silver mi...@arava.co.il wrote:

 Some of the younger members of the family play flash games (sheshbesh) on
 Walla's site. On Ubuntu 8.10 and 8.04 this worked well
 (flashplugin-nonfree). The 8.10 machine was upgraded to 9.04 and still the
 site worked OK. But recently, after some other upgrades, the game no longer
 loads- just the sha-on hol. (Meanwhile on 8.04 it still works). We asked
 Walla's support and they haven't changed anything.

 Any ideas how to work around this?

 Thanks,

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Fwd: Flash based games not working

2009-08-11 Thread Arie Skliarouk
Forwarding to Linux-Il (see the message below).

I don't have a way to check flash player 9 on the wejew.com or
walla.comsites. Can someone check the sites using flash player 9
please?

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-- Forwarded message --
From: Robert Wallner kodi...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 09:44
Subject: Re: Flash based games not working
To: Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com


I had the same problem with an application I developed in Haxe. It was
related to a security change macrodobia made with the way a new
security feature works with the new players. When connecting to a
socket, the new players now request a policy file from the server, and
if it doesn't exist, it just closes the connection. Old code that
isn't updated to use this feature seems to get stuck when
downloading something through sockets, like video players not playing
the video, the spinner thing spinning forever, etc...

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/fplayer9_security.html

Try to downgrade to a player version lower than 9.0.115.0, if it
works, maybe that's the problem.

2009/8/11 Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com:
 That looks reminiscent to the way videos on site wejew.com don't work, for
 example

http://wejew.com/media/5193/Hizbullah_Violates_UN_Resolution_1701_in_Lebanon_15.7.09/

 It also loads up and the spinner rotates endlessly. The same problem
happens
 on Windows XP with firefox 3.5 (under IE it works).

 I have been in touch with the developers of wejew.com and they said that
 they use firefox 3.5 (on windows) and don't see any problems.

 Micha, can you post direct URL to the problematic sheshbesh game on the
 walla.co.il site please?

 --
 Arie



 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 08:33, Micha Silver mi...@arava.co.il wrote:

 Some of the younger members of the family play flash games (sheshbesh) on
 Walla's site. On Ubuntu 8.10 and 8.04 this worked well
 (flashplugin-nonfree). The 8.10 machine was upgraded to 9.04 and still
the
 site worked OK. But recently, after some other upgrades, the game no
longer
 loads- just the sha-on hol. (Meanwhile on 8.04 it still works). We
asked
 Walla's support and they haven't changed anything.

 Any ideas how to work around this?

 Thanks,

 Micha


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Re: Fwd: Flash based games not working

2009-08-11 Thread Micha Silver

Arie Skliarouk wrote:

Forwarding to Linux-Il (see the message below).

I don't have a way to check flash player 9 on the wejew.com 
http://wejew.com or walla.com http://walla.com sites. Can someone 
check the sites using flash player 9 please?


Here's the link to the specific games: (very long, careful about line 
breaks...)


http://fun.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?w=//1861/play/1/@c2pstatus=allswf_URL=http%3A%2F%2Fico.walla.co.il%2Fw6%2Fv%2Ffun%2Fc2p%2Fv5%2FRoomList_5%3Froom_id%3D1861%26amp%3Bsite_id%3D25%26amp%3Borigin%3DRoomList%26amp%3BipString%3D80.179.46.34%26amp%3Bjava_port%3D8080%26amp%3Ball_java_ips%3D%26amp%3Bnavigator%3DUnknown%26amp%3BcanRTMPT%3Don%26amp%3BmatchStarted%3Dt%26amp%3BmatchEnded%3Dt%26amp%3BgetSavedData%3Dt%26amp%3BsendMatchEnded%3Dt%26user_id%3D171724102%26random_hash%3D508006432user_id=171724102random_hash=508006432globalKey=1314859720
You should see a list of players in the central window.
(The same problem appears with damka, chess, etc. on this site)
Thanks,
Micha

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From: *Robert Wallner* kodi...@gmail.com mailto:kodi...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 09:44
Subject: Re: Flash based games not working
To: Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com mailto:sklia...@gmail.com


I had the same problem with an application I developed in Haxe. It was
related to a security change macrodobia made with the way a new
security feature works with the new players. When connecting to a
socket, the new players now request a policy file from the server, and
if it doesn't exist, it just closes the connection. Old code that
isn't updated to use this feature seems to get stuck when
downloading something through sockets, like video players not playing
the video, the spinner thing spinning forever, etc...

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/fplayer9_security.html

Try to downgrade to a player version lower than 9.0.115.0, if it
works, maybe that's the problem.

2009/8/11 Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com mailto:sklia...@gmail.com:
 That looks reminiscent to the way videos on site wejew.com 
http://wejew.com don't work, for

 example
 
http://wejew.com/media/5193/Hizbullah_Violates_UN_Resolution_1701_in_Lebanon_15.7.09/


 It also loads up and the spinner rotates endlessly. The same problem 
happens

 on Windows XP with firefox 3.5 (under IE it works).

 I have been in touch with the developers of wejew.com 
http://wejew.com and they said that

 they use firefox 3.5 (on windows) and don't see any problems.

 Micha, can you post direct URL to the problematic sheshbesh game on the
 walla.co.il http://walla.co.il site please?

 --
 Arie



 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 08:33, Micha Silver mi...@arava.co.il 
mailto:mi...@arava.co.il wrote:


 Some of the younger members of the family play flash games 
(sheshbesh) on

 Walla's site. On Ubuntu 8.10 and 8.04 this worked well
 (flashplugin-nonfree). The 8.10 machine was upgraded to 9.04 and 
still the
 site worked OK. But recently, after some other upgrades, the game 
no longer
 loads- just the sha-on hol. (Meanwhile on 8.04 it still works). 
We asked

 Walla's support and they haven't changed anything.

 Any ideas how to work around this?

 Thanks,

 Micha


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Re: Sending servers TO the US

2009-08-11 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Noam Rathausno...@beyondsecurity.com wrote:
 Well my apologies, but the subject said differently :)

 In any case, taking it with you is problematic, I have done this with
 LCD screens (used ones) which I took to a convention, and I had to pay
 penalty at the custom office as it is above the allowed price of
 items a visitor can bring, I paid 75$ - not sure whether it was even
 price related

 It could be that it was because it was an LCD screen...

It may be because the servers are actually American products and LCD
screens aren't... I am not an expert...

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Re: Sending servers TO the US

2009-08-11 Thread geoffrey mendelson


On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:


It may be because the servers are actually American products and LCD
screens aren't... I am not an expert...



Sun computers, except for a few obscure laptops were (and still are  
AFAIK) made in the US.


Dell  probably aren't. They have a factory in Texas which makes  
desktops/servers, but ones sold outside of the US are most likey made  
elsewhere.


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Re: Sending servers TO the US

2009-08-11 Thread Amos Shapira
2009/8/11 geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com:

 On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:

 It may be because the servers are actually American products and LCD
 screens aren't... I am not an expert...


 Sun computers, except for a few obscure laptops were (and still are AFAIK)
 made in the US.

 Dell  probably aren't. They have a factory in Texas which makes
 desktops/servers, but ones sold outside of the US are most likey made
 elsewhere.

Thanks everyone for the feedback. All the servers we wanted to buy
where bid on at a higher price than our estimates so we ended up not
buying any.
We might try buying them in the US ebay and have them shipped
internally to the US office.

Cheers,

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Re: Sending servers TO the US

2009-08-11 Thread geoffrey mendelson


On Aug 11, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Amos Shapira wrote:


We might try buying them in the US ebay and have them shipped
internally to the US office.




What you should do is cultivate a friendship with someone who works  
for a volume buyer of Dell and is aware of the specials and discount  
codes they offer.


I have seen postings by people in the know about Dell sales which  
are available to any buyer if you know the proper item numbers,  
discount codes,  etc, which sell servers for far less than the  
retail price.


The last thing I would do is to buy a computer in the US from OZ, to  
be shipped to the US.


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Re: Fwd: Flash based games not working

2009-08-11 Thread Amos Shapira
2009/8/11 Micha Silver mi...@arava.co.il:
 Arie Skliarouk wrote:

 Forwarding to Linux-Il (see the message below).

 I don't have a way to check flash player 9 on the wejew.com
 http://wejew.com or walla.com http://walla.com sites. Can someone check
 the sites using flash player 9 please?

 Here's the link to the specific games: (very long, careful about line
 breaks...)

 http://fun.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?w=//1861/play/1/@c2pstatus=allswf_URL=http%3A%2F%2Fico.walla.co.il%2Fw6%2Fv%2Ffun%2Fc2p%2Fv5%2FRoomList_5%3Froom_id%3D1861%26amp%3Bsite_id%3D25%26amp%3Borigin%3DRoomList%26amp%3BipString%3D80.179.46.34%26amp%3Bjava_port%3D8080%26amp%3Ball_java_ips%3D%26amp%3Bnavigator%3DUnknown%26amp%3BcanRTMPT%3Don%26amp%3BmatchStarted%3Dt%26amp%3BmatchEnded%3Dt%26amp%3BgetSavedData%3Dt%26amp%3BsendMatchEnded%3Dt%26user_id%3D171724102%26random_hash%3D508006432user_id=171724102random_hash=508006432globalKey=1314859720
 You should see a list of players in the central window.
 (The same problem appears with damka, chess, etc. on this site)

Works for me.
I could pick a game to watch and watch it being played.
Hebrew chat between the players appeared in reverse.

Using Ubuntu 9.04 32 bit. Plugins windows lists Shockwave Flash
10.0 r32 (I keep my system up to date).

BTW - about the long link - there are numerous sites to shorten links,
e.g. http://tinyurl.com/ and http://bit.ly/

Cheers,

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Re: Sending servers TO the US

2009-08-11 Thread Amos Shapira
2009/8/11 geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com:

 On Aug 11, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Amos Shapira wrote:

 We might try buying them in the US ebay and have them shipped
 internally to the US office.



 What you should do is cultivate a friendship with someone who works for a
 volume buyer of Dell and is aware of the specials and discount codes they
 offer.

 I have seen postings by people in the know about Dell sales which are
 available to any buyer if you know the proper item numbers, discount codes,
  etc, which sell servers for far less than the retail price.

I have a friend who just started working in a non-junior position for
Dell in Oz, maybe will ask him about this.


 The last thing I would do is to buy a computer in the US from OZ, to be
 shipped to the US.

Care to give more reasons on why would you avoid that?

We are an American company now and have US headquarters (even the
corporate credit card I use is from a bank in the Silicon Valley).

Thanks,

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Re: Sending servers TO the US

2009-08-11 Thread geoffrey mendelson


On Aug 11, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Amos Shapira wrote:

Care to give more reasons on why would you avoid that?

We are an American company now and have US headquarters (even the
corporate credit card I use is from a bank in the Silicon Valley).



Because the chance of getting an satisfaction if the deal goes sour  
is pretty small. If it turns out you were actually in OZ when you  
transacted the deal, it could be grounds for the bank to avoid any  
action. If you have someone from the US office transact the deal  
instead of you, they would be better off.


Geoff.

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Re: Kingle/Reader on Linux in IL (WAS: Re: Linux / Computer Books in Israel)

2009-08-11 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
2009/8/5 Michael Tewner tew...@gmail.com:

 I read a few reviews of the Kindle2 vs. Sony Reader -
 Anyone out there have either of those and use it with Linux?

Just came across this article that seems to contain useful tips and
pointers (it's a Linux device, so on topic :):

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/11/how_to_hack_sony_reader/

I don't have a Reader so I can't vouch for any of this. I just
recalled this thread and had a quick look and it seemed relevant.

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Re: kopete and hebrew

2009-08-11 Thread sara fink
Diego, thanks for your explanation. Here is what I have:
locale
LANG=en_US
LC_CTYPE=en_US
LC_NUMERIC=en_US
LC_TIME=en_US
LC_COLLATE=en_US
LC_MONETARY=en_US
LC_MESSAGES=en_US
LC_PAPER=en_US
LC_NAME=en_US
LC_ADDRESS=en_US
LC_TELEPHONE=en_US
LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US
LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US
LC_ALL=en_US

In my case, I use kopete. The other side is using windows with the web
client goicq.com.


 Choose cp-1255, as it has a larger range of Hebrew support, if it's
 possible.

 Now, I have talked with the Kopete developers a few years ago and they
 explained to me why ICQ gives us so much troubles. It seems that when a
 message is sent in ICQ one of it's headers describes the encoding the in
 which
 this message is encoded. Ok, so far so good.

 However, most of the messages/clients (not sure about it) are sent in
 encoding
 number 3, which means use your locale. So, Alice has
 LC_CTYPE=he_IL.cp-1255
 and sends a hebrew message to Bob (which used LC_CTYPE=C) and if the message
 is in encoding 3, this means the encoding is LC_CTYPE. Pretty much fucked
 up, IMHO. Nice to have a menu which overrides it.

 Well... more or less, as in windows you don't really have LC_CTYPE... and I
 am
 not sure if the borked encoding number is 3... but you get the idea.

 Please use unicode when developing new applications/protocols. Transfer the
 text sing UTF-8. Or die, slowly and use putty on Windows95 to read your
 email
 from your Linux box by deciphering the packets read by tcpdump.

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partition full (or not)

2009-08-11 Thread shlomo solomon
I´m getting disk full messages on /var. According to df, the / partition 
(/dev/sda1) is full, but du shows about 90% free space. Kdirstat also shows 
90% free. I tried booting from a live CD and the partition is only about 10% 
full.

Any ideas what´s going on here and how to fix it?



here´s a partial listing for df:

[solo...@shlomo1 ~]$ df
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1  15G   15G   40M 100% /
/dev/sda6 495M   47M  448M  10% /boot



and here´s a partial listing for du:

[solo...@shlomo1 ~]$ du -x -c / 
14M /bin  
0   /dev  
4.0K/etc/hp

 snip snip snip 

512 /data4-music
1.3G/
1.3Gtotal




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Re: partition full (or not)

2009-08-11 Thread geoffrey mendelson


On Aug 11, 2009, at 8:20 PM, shlomo solomon wrote:

I´m getting disk full messages on /var. According to df, the /  
partition
(/dev/sda1) is full, but du shows about 90% free space. Kdirstat  
also shows
90% free. I tried booting from a live CD and the partition is only  
about 10%

full.

Any ideas what´s going on here and how to fix it?



out of inodes? df -i?

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Re: kopete and hebrew

2009-08-11 Thread Dotan Cohen
Sara, try to reproduce using the info on this bug to see if this is your issue:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154983

What version of Kopete / KDE are you using?


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Re: partition full (or not)

2009-08-11 Thread shlomo solomon
On Tuesday August 11 2009, geoffrey mendelson wrote:
 On Aug 11, 2009, at 8:20 PM, shlomo solomon wrote:
  I´m getting disk full messages on /var. According to df, the /
  partition
  (/dev/sda1) is full, but du shows about 90% free space. Kdirstat
  also shows
  90% free. I tried booting from a live CD and the partition is only
  about 10%
  full.
 
  Any ideas what´s going on here and how to fix it?

 out of inodes? df -i?

 Geoff.

For some strange reason, df -i doesn´t give any useful info.

[solo...@shlomo1 ~]$ df -i
FilesystemInodes   IUsed   IFree IUse% Mounted on 
/dev/sda1  0   0   0-  /  
/dev/sda6  0   0   0-  /boot  
/dev/sda11 0   0   0-  /data1 
/dev/sda12 0   0   0-  /data2
 snip snip 

But I doubt that´s the problem, because, as I wrote, when I boot from a live 
CD, the partition is almost empty. And, in any case, the partition only has 
/bin, /etc, /lib, /opt, /var, and other standard things. So I don´t see any 
reason to run out of inodes.



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Re: partition full (or not)

2009-08-11 Thread Shachar Shemesh

shlomo solomon wrote:
I´m getting disk full messages on /var. According to df, the / partition 
(/dev/sda1) is full, but du shows about 90% free space. Kdirstat also shows 
90% free. I tried booting from a live CD and the partition is only about 10% 
full.


Any ideas what´s going on here and how to fix it?

  

Was the partition still full after you rebooted the device?

df gives data on how much space is actually in use. du, on the other 
hand, only reports space that is reachable from the directory structure. 
If, for example, you had a program that kept a huge file open, but 
unlinked from the file system, that would completely explain the 
scenario you report.


Of course, if that's the case, the reboot you did in order to run the 
live CD should have freed that space, and so you should see the problem 
resolved by now.


If the problem persist (i.e. - disk is full from the system but free 
from live CD), run lsof to check who is keeping files open on the partition.


Shachar


here´s a partial listing for df:

[solo...@shlomo1 ~]$ df
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1  15G   15G   40M 100% /
/dev/sda6 495M   47M  448M  10% /boot



and here´s a partial listing for du:

[solo...@shlomo1 ~]$ du -x -c / 
14M /bin  
0   /dev  
4.0K/etc/hp


 snip snip snip 

512 /data4-music
1.3G/
1.3Gtotal




  



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Re: partition full (or not)

2009-08-11 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
shlomo solomon shlomo.solo...@gmail.com writes:

 I´m getting disk full messages on /var. According to df, the / partition 
 (/dev/sda1) is full, but du shows about 90% free space. Kdirstat also shows 
 90% free. I tried booting from a live CD and the partition is only about 10% 
 full.

 Any ideas what´s going on here and how to fix it?

Some possibilities. 

First of all, if df says there is a problem there likely is one. You
should realize that df shows you the disk usage, while du actually
goes through the *files that have names* and shows you their sizes in
allocated blocks.

What is the system doing? If a file is no longer there (some temporary
file, or file deleted by an application that still holds a descriptor
(before fclose() or equivalent), it will show in df but not in du. Are
you downloading anything? Yum? Rsync? Torrent?

Try

$ sudo lsof | egrep (DEL|deleted)

- what does it show?

Another possibility: how is du -s different from du --apparent-size
-s?

Yet another possibility: does du show hidden files or directories? I
don't remember but I suspect it doesn't.

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Re: partition full (or not)

2009-08-11 Thread shimi
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:09 PM, shlomo solomon shlomo.solo...@gmail.comwrote:


 For some strange reason, df -i doesn´t give any useful info.

 [solo...@shlomo1 ~]$ df -i
 FilesystemInodes   IUsed   IFree IUse% Mounted on
 /dev/sda1  0   0   0-  /
 /dev/sda6  0   0   0-  /boot
 /dev/sda11 0   0   0-  /data1
 /dev/sda12 0   0   0-  /data2
  snip snip 


Perhaps you're using reiserfs ?


 But I doubt that´s the problem, because, as I wrote, when I boot from a
 live
 CD, the partition is almost empty. And, in any case, the partition only has
 /bin, /etc, /lib, /opt, /var, and other standard things. So I don´t see any
 reason to run out of inodes.


What about a swap file being added as a file on the root partition when the
system loads, and removed when it goes down? Typical to the OS from Redmond,
but one might do that in Linux as well...

-- Shimi
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Re: partition full (or not)

2009-08-11 Thread Vitaly
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:20 PM, shlomo solomonshlomo.solo...@gmail.com wrote:
 I´m getting disk full messages on /var. According to df, the / partition
 (/dev/sda1) is full, but du shows about 90% free space. Kdirstat also shows
 90% free. I tried booting from a live CD and the partition is only about 10%
 full.

 Any ideas what´s going on here and how to fix it?

I suggest you to run fsck on /

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solved (was Re: partition full (or not)

2009-08-11 Thread shlomo solomon
Thanks for the various suggestions. But the problem turned out to be much 
simpler. It seems that a couple of days ago, something went wrong during a 
backup job to a removeable USB disk. I think I know how it happened, but that 
is not relevant. The important thing is that the USB disk was unmounted in the 
middle of the job and as a result, about 13 Gb of files were written to the / 
partition instead of to the removeable drive and that completely filled the 
partition.


On Tuesday August 11 2009, shlomo solomon wrote:
 On Tuesday August 11 2009, geoffrey mendelson wrote:
  On Aug 11, 2009, at 8:20 PM, shlomo solomon wrote:
   I´m getting disk full messages on /var. According to df, the /
   partition
   (/dev/sda1) is full, but du shows about 90% free space. Kdirstat
   also shows
   90% free. I tried booting from a live CD and the partition is only
   about 10%
   full.
  
   Any ideas what´s going on here and how to fix it?
 
  out of inodes? df -i?
 
  Geoff.

 For some strange reason, df -i doesn´t give any useful info.

 [solo...@shlomo1 ~]$ df -i
 FilesystemInodes   IUsed   IFree IUse% Mounted on
 /dev/sda1  0   0   0-  /
 /dev/sda6  0   0   0-  /boot
 /dev/sda11 0   0   0-  /data1
 /dev/sda12 0   0   0-  /data2
  snip snip 

 But I doubt that´s the problem, because, as I wrote, when I boot from a
 live CD, the partition is almost empty. And, in any case, the partition
 only has /bin, /etc, /lib, /opt, /var, and other standard things. So I
 don´t see any reason to run out of inodes.


-- 
Shlomo Solomon
http://the-solomons.net
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Re: partition full (or not)

2009-08-11 Thread shlomo solomon
On Tuesday August 11 2009, shimi wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:09 PM, shlomo solomon 
shlomo.solo...@gmail.comwrote:
  For some strange reason, df -i doesn´t give any useful info.
 
  [solo...@shlomo1 ~]$ df -i
  FilesystemInodes   IUsed   IFree IUse% Mounted on
  /dev/sda1  0   0   0-  /
  /dev/sda6  0   0   0-  /boot
  /dev/sda11 0   0   0-  /data1
  /dev/sda12 0   0   0-  /data2
   snip snip 

 Perhaps you're using reiserfs ?

yes I am and I´d completely forgoten that inodes are not relevant - oops.

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