Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-30 Thread Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda
2009/8/24 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz Michael Vasiliev wrote: The power of the signal is inversely proportional to the square of distance. That is not precisely accurate. An undirected point source of EM radiation (or any other type of energy) transmits energy that expands on a

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-30 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Aug 30, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote: If we stick to the air as our media, then you will need a unidirectional antenna. This is also an idealization, as an antenna which points to one direction, projects energy to the opposite direction as well, and there is also

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-28 Thread geoffrey mendelson
Very off topic. On Aug 28, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Michael Tewner wrote: 88 Miles per hour? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_88 Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-28 Thread Michael Tewner
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.orgwrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Gilad Ben-Yossefgi...@codefidence.com wrote: Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Once you have satisfied yourself that N=3, you can derive R^-2 easily from flux considerations. Until,

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-28 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Michael Tewner wrote: Until, of course, the invention of the flux capacitor... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLorean_time_machine Oh, anything is possible if you travel through space-time in a DeLorean... In particular, when you travel close to the speed of light

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-28 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Please excuse me for answering a humorous post seriously. Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Despite popular belief, the speed of light is only fixed in vacuum and scientists long acknowledged the fact that light may travels in different and lesser speeds when going through different materials, such

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-28 Thread Diego Iastrubni
What the fuck are you doing? I did not see that movie yet... Please write spoiler and leave a few empty the next time. On יום שישי 28 אוגוסט 2009 13:17:06 Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Interesting enough, Light travels through Israeli movies in speed close to American ones (88 mph) but, complain

RE: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-28 Thread ronys
ubergeek-mode Actually, the speed of light *in a vacuum* is the universal constant, invariant regardless of the observer's frame of reference. 'C' is so defined - the speed of light in vacuum. This is now understood to be such a basic constant that in 1983, the meter was defined in terms of the

Re: [VERY OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-28 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Michael Tewner tew...@gmail.com writes: when you travel close to the speed of light 88 Miles per hour? Michael, This is getting more and mor off-topic, but yes, exactly, 88 mph! I confess, I am a car-buff, a petrol-head, etc. I also like movies. So flame me - my /dev/null is ready. I will

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-25 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Once you have satisfied yourself that N=3, you can derive R^-2 easily from flux considerations. Until, of course, the invention of the flux capacitor... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLorean_time_machine Gilad :-) -- Gilad Ben-Yossef Chief Coffee Drinker CTO

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-25 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Gilad Ben-Yossefgi...@codefidence.com wrote: Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Once you have satisfied yourself that N=3, you can derive R^-2 easily from flux considerations. Until, of course, the invention of the flux capacitor...  

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: In particular, when you travel close to the speed of light you emit mostly in the forward direction, not isotropically... I didn't know physics dealt with gastro functions. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-25 Thread Erez D
2009/8/24 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz Michael Vasiliev wrote: The power of the signal is inversely proportional to the square of distance. That is not precisely accurate. An undirected point source of EM radiation (or any other type of energy) transmits energy that expands on a

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Erez D wrote: AFAIK, according to general relativity, the world is 4D. according to string theory, there are more dimensions ... I think we have enough flame wars over FOSS matters. Let's not go into strings, as that would not only be a flame war, but an off topic one at that. Shachar --

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-25 Thread Erez D
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.bizwrote: Erez D wrote: AFAIK, according to general relativity, the world is 4D. according to string theory, there are more dimensions ... I think we have enough flame wars over FOSS matters. Let's not go into strings, as

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Erez D wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz mailto:shac...@shemesh.biz wrote: Erez D wrote: AFAIK, according to general relativity, the world is 4D. according to string theory, there are more dimensions ... I think we have enough

[OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-24 Thread Boris shtrasman
Sorry for the OT , But i guess using systems in other ways then they had been designed is a bug that not only i posses. I heard a lot about wireless power transition , while I heard about products that provide close distant power transmitting (1) what about using public wifi in my area ?

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-24 Thread Michael Vasiliev
The power of the signal is inversely proportional to the square of distance. Why do you think such a feat would be possible? Boris shtrasman wrote: Sorry for the OT , But i guess using systems in other ways then they had been designed is a bug that not only i posses. I heard a lot about

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-24 Thread Boris shtrasman
Michael Vasiliev wrote: The power of the signal is inversely proportional to the square of distance. Why do you think such a feat would be possible? Since i don't know physics i lake the basics for this question. As i understood from googling it is possible to get some power from high

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-24 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Michael Vasiliev wrote: The power of the signal is inversely proportional to the square of distance. That is not precisely accurate. An undirected point source of EM radiation (or any other type of energy) transmits energy that expands on a sphere from the point of transmittal. The surface

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-24 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
I'll bite - it's OT, but too much fun to skip... ;-) 2009/8/24 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz: As a side note - does that prove that our universe only has three dimensions? Technically, no, though many philosophers (as opposed to physicists or mathematicians) will say it does. The number

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-24 Thread Micha
On 8/23/2009 3:03 PM, Boris shtrasman wrote: Sorry for the OT , But i guess using systems in other ways then they had been designed is a bug that not only i posses. I heard a lot about wireless power transition , while I heard about products that provide close distant power transmitting (1)

Fwd: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-24 Thread geoffrey mendelson
Begin forwarded message: From: geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com Date: August 24, 2009 5:10:59 PM GMT+03:00 To: Micha mi...@post.tau.ac.il Subject: Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ? On Aug 24, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Micha wrote: I don't have a link now

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-24 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Michami...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: I don't have a link now but I saw a thread somewhere about the myth of stealing power from powerlines with a large coil, and the calculation came to the point if I remember the numebers correctly that you may be able to run a

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-24 Thread Michael Vasiliev
Good, now put back the context you've omitted, take your antenna specs and prove it with numbers. Solutions that will make the fly-by birds go poof or yourself arrested and your equipment seized do not count. Shachar Shemesh wrote: Michael Vasiliev wrote: The power of the signal is inversely

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-24 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Aug 24, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Micha wrote: I doubt wifi is any better in this respect. WiFi is limited in Israel to 100mW EIRP (Effictive incident radiated power), so the most that could come out of a Wifi antenna would be 100mW. When I tested my BEZEQ router with a microwave oven

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-24 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: I'll bite - it's OT, but too much fun to skip... ;-) 2009/8/24 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz: As a side note - does that prove that our universe only has three dimensions? Technically, no, though many philosophers (as opposed to physicists or

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-24 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Shachar Shemeshshac...@shemesh.biz wrote: I read the link you gave, but have not found why it does not prove it. You will, I hope, agree with me that the fact that you have not found it there does not actually mean that R^-2 = N=3... ;-) All I said was that if

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-24 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Shachar Shemeshshac...@shemesh.biz wrote: I read the link you gave, but have not found why it does not prove it. You will, I hope, agree with me that the fact that you have not found it there does not actually mean that R^-2 =

Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?

2009-08-24 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Shachar Shemeshshac...@shemesh.biz wrote: You state that, and then you delve on to prove the opposite. You lost me. The way I know science, we have: - A mathematical model saying that neither galaxies nor atoms are stable if N!=3 - Empirical evidence that