Re: Laptop suggestions
dep wrote: quoth Chong Yu Meng: | And, yes, IBM batteries suck ! After 1 year, the battery in my | previous Thinkpad (an X240, IIRC) died, and I had to plug my laptop | into a wall socket everytime I needed to boot-up. where is your previous laptop and what, beyond my good wishes, would it take to get you to send it to me? LOL ! It would be an honour to send it to you, dep ! Unfortunately, it currently rests in pieces somewhere in a landfill in Singapore. I couldn't use it anymore because the LCD screen completely broke off from the keyboard/CPU part after some rough handling in Malaysia where I was based. Regards, pascal chong ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Laptop suggestions
On Saturday 04 October 2003 09:18 am, Joel Hammer wrote: I need to buy a laptop in the next week for a trip. I don't think I can get a laptop loaded with linux during that time so I will likely just get an XP machine and either remove XP or dual boot it sometime down the road. So, my question, any laptop suggestions that would play well with linux? And, if so, which flavor of linux? I think I should get a wireless enabled laptop, too. You got a lot of suggestions on this one, Joel, but no one suggested Panasonic. If you are into really working with your notebook, like taking them to construction work sites, etc, Panasonic makes a toughbook series that is just about indestructable. I saw one demonstrated one time where the sales rep slid a closed laptop off a desk onto the concrete apron at poolside. He did this over and over again during his sales pitch. At the end of the speech he dipped it into the pool and opened... it proceded to boot and work perfectly. Try that with your run of the mill laptop... ;') The last I looked, these were still being built, a bit tough to loacate, not real cutting edge technology... maybe 1gig p4... and could be bought state side for under a couple of grand. Although not sold as being linux compatible, there wasn't anything in them that wouldn't work with peguin power. :') Try: http://www.panasonic.com/toughbook Cheers. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 10:42am up 4 days, 14:35, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
OT Sun Netra question
Anyone here ever had to admin a Sun Netra? I've recently inherited a few (against my will), and discovered that they don't have the DB25 serial port that i'm accustomed to on other Sun hardware. Anyone know what kind of cable is needed to setup serial console on these beasts (and where I could obtain it)? thanks! -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Laptop suggestions
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003, Jerry McBride wrote: ... You got a lot of suggestions on this one, Joel, but no one suggested Panasonic. If you are into really working with your notebook, like taking them to construction work sites, etc, Panasonic makes a toughbook series that is just about indestructable. I saw one demonstrated one time where the sales rep slid a closed laptop off a desk onto the concrete apron at poolside. He did this over and over again during his sales pitch. At the end of the speech he dipped it into the pool and opened... it proceded to boot and work perfectly. Try that with your run of the mill laptop... ;') Sounds like just what I need for our Auction application, what we refer to as the ``Hankproof 2000'' (Hank has a tendency to be hard on equipment :-). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ When I hear a man applauded by the mob I always feel a pang of pity for him. All he has to do to be hissed is to live long enough. -- H.L. Mencken, ``Minority Report'' ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Sun Netra question
Net Llama! wrote: Anyone here ever had to admin a Sun Netra? I've recently inherited a few (against my will), and discovered that they don't have the DB25 serial port that i'm accustomed to on other Sun hardware. Anyone know what kind of cable is needed to setup serial console on these beasts (and where I could obtain it)? thanks! Doesn't that use a fifteen pin connector? I ran the cables for one such system quite some time ago, I'll have to look up my notes to see if I have recorded the pin-outs. -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Sun Netra question
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Ted Ozolins wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Anyone here ever had to admin a Sun Netra? I've recently inherited a few (against my will), and discovered that they don't have the DB25 serial port that i'm accustomed to on other Sun hardware. Anyone know what kind of cable is needed to setup serial console on these beasts (and where I could obtain it)? thanks! Doesn't that use a fifteen pin connector? I ran the cables for one such system quite some time ago, I'll have to look up my notes to see if I have recorded the pin-outs. Its some kind of RJ45 (8 pin, i guess). There are two ports, one is LOM, the other is just an ordinary RJ45. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Quake3 Arena??
Anyone here running a Quake 3 Arena server? I'm in the process of putting a Linux Quake server together for a local retail establishment and I've got a problem I'm not sure I understand... Basically this is a LAN setup, no internet connections for the short term. The one area that I haven't fully ironed out is... Can a Quake client run locally on the Quake server machine? I was asked to set it up that way, but it appears that you can't run a client on the same machine running the server under linux. However, under windows it's not a problem. It's slightly embarassing. Anyway, if anyone has some insight on this, I'd appreciate it. Thank you in advance. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 4:17pm up 4 days, 20:10, 7 users, load average: 0.04, 0.08, 0.08 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Quake3 Arena??
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:02:50 -0400, Jerry McBride wrote: Anyone here running a Quake 3 Arena server? I'm in the process of putting a Linux Quake server together for a local retail establishment and I've got a problem I'm not sure I understand... Basically this is a LAN setup, no internet connections for the short term. The one area that I haven't fully ironed out is... Can a Quake client run locally on the Quake server machine? I was asked to set it up that way, but it appears that you can't run a client on the same machine running the server under linux. However, under windows it's not a problem. It's slightly embarassing. Anyway, if anyone has some insight on this, I'd appreciate it. Thank you in advance. If it can be done with winodws, you should be able to do it with linux. Just get the instructions for windows and try to translate them to Linux ;) I have a couple of Enemy Territory servers (almost the same game engine), if you get stuck, just ask me. Bye! Federico Voges Socio gerente Intrasoft Tel/Fax: 54-11-4833-5182 Malabia 2137 14 A e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C1425EZC) Buenos Aires Web: http://www.intrasoft.com.ar Argentina ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Sun Netra question
Net Llama! wrote: Its some kind of RJ45 (8 pin, i guess). There are two ports, one is LOM, the other is just an ordinary RJ45. PIN SIGNAL DB25 1 --- DTS --- 4 2 --- DTR ---20 3 --- TXD --- 2 4 --- Sig GND --- 1 5 --- Sig GND --- 7 6 --- RXD --- 3 7 --- DCD --- 8 8 --- DCS --- 5 -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Sun Netra question
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Ted Ozolins wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Its some kind of RJ45 (8 pin, i guess). There are two ports, one is LOM, the other is just an ordinary RJ45. PIN SIGNAL DB25 1 --- DTS --- 4 2 --- DTR ---20 3 --- TXD --- 2 4 --- Sig GND --- 1 5 --- Sig GND --- 7 6 --- RXD --- 3 7 --- DCD --- 8 8 --- DCS --- 5 OK. But i don't need DB25. I've got a Rocketport which takes RJ45, and the Netra RJ45, which seems to need something other than an ordinary cat5. Do you know if its a crossover, or something custom? -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Sun Netra question
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003, Net Llama! wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Ted Ozolins wrote:
Net Llama! wrote:
Its some kind of RJ45 (8 pin, i guess). There are two ports, one is LOM,
the other is just an ordinary RJ45.
PIN SIGNAL DB25
1 --- DTS --- 4
2 --- DTR ---20
3 --- TXD --- 2
4 --- Sig GND --- 1
5 --- Sig GND --- 7
6 --- RXD --- 3
7 --- DCD --- 8
8 --- DCS --- 5
OK. But i don't need DB25. I've got a Rocketport which takes RJ45, and
the Netra RJ45, which seems to need something other than an ordinary cat5.
Do you know if its a crossover, or something custom?
If found that building rj45-db25 adapters for each system then plugging
these together to do the conversion. This tends to be far less confusing
for me than attempting to figure it out proprietary rf45 to proprietary
rj45, and also leaves me with a couple of general purpose cables for each
proprietary system when I'm done. I often use the Allentel rj45-dbxxx
adapters for this which go from female rf40 to the DB {9,25}{male,female}
connectors as they're easy to punch in, and I have a library of the color
codes for various hardware applications that makes it a no-brainer to
follow.
Bill
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Re: OT Sun Netra question
Net Llama! wrote: OK. But i don't need DB25. I've got a Rocketport which takes RJ45, and the Netra RJ45, which seems to need something other than an ordinary cat5. Do you know if its a crossover, or something custom? I'll have to check on that and get back to you. I know a few people here that work with this stuff. -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Quake3 Arena??
On Sunday 05 October 2003 05:15 pm, Federico Voges wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:02:50 -0400, Jerry McBride wrote: Anyone here running a Quake 3 Arena server? I'm in the process of putting a Linux Quake server together for a local retail establishment and I've got a problem I'm not sure I understand... Basically this is a LAN setup, no internet connections for the short term. The one area that I haven't fully ironed out is... Can a Quake client run locally on the Quake server machine? I was asked to set it up that way, but it appears that you can't run a client on the same machine running the server under linux. However, under windows it's not a problem. It's slightly embarassing. Anyway, if anyone has some insight on this, I'd appreciate it. Thank you in advance. If it can be done with winodws, you should be able to do it with linux. Just get the instructions for windows and try to translate them to Linux ;) I have a couple of Enemy Territory servers (almost the same game engine), if you get stuck, just ask me. Found it... had a munged file... It's all running gloriously -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 6:24pm up 4 days, 22:17, 7 users, load average: 0.07, 0.14, 0.10 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Sun Netra question
Hi Llama ! You can use the typical console cable used for Cisco routers. That's what I used to hook up the office Netra to my office laptop. Plug into the LOM port and plug the other end into your 9-pin serial port. If you are using Windows, open a Hyperterminal window and press Enter several times to get the lom prompt. If you need the documentation for LOM port operations, you can look for it on the Internet, or email me. I might have it handy. Regards, pascal chong Ted Ozolins wrote: Net Llama! wrote: OK. But i don't need DB25. I've got a Rocketport which takes RJ45, and the Netra RJ45, which seems to need something other than an ordinary cat5. Do you know if its a crossover, or something custom? I'll have to check on that and get back to you. I know a few people here that work with this stuff. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Sun Netra question
Hi pascal, No cisco routers here (so no console cable). I've got alot of cat5, but that's about all. I get the feeling that I'll need to purchase, or construct some other kind, but i can't figure out which. ugh. i hate sun. On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Chong Yu Meng wrote: Hi Llama ! You can use the typical console cable used for Cisco routers. That's what I used to hook up the office Netra to my office laptop. Plug into the LOM port and plug the other end into your 9-pin serial port. If you are using Windows, open a Hyperterminal window and press Enter several times to get the lom prompt. If you need the documentation for LOM port operations, you can look for it on the Internet, or email me. I might have it handy. Regards, pascal chong Ted Ozolins wrote: Net Llama! wrote: OK. But i don't need DB25. I've got a Rocketport which takes RJ45, and the Netra RJ45, which seems to need something other than an ordinary cat5. Do you know if its a crossover, or something custom? I'll have to check on that and get back to you. I know a few people here that work with this stuff. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Laptop suggestions
On 10/4/03 23:16, Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So they've fixed it I guess. There was a problem when it first came out. My recommendation is an Apple Powerbook - my daugher got one for school and it's great! We're running X and OpenOffice on it. I will second the PowerBook recommendation. The 12 PowerBook can be had for nice price with a DVD burner. You can run Yellow Dog Linux on it but after you use OS X I doubt you will want to. Gento also has a PPC distro now and there are a few others out there. OSX does so much out of the box with the Apple software already and when you add all the Unix applications that you can run its just plain great. The 15 and 17 PowerBooks are a little steep but they are very nice. I currently use a 12 iBook and love it. I'm saving for a new G5 Tower and a 12 PowerBook. -- Ray Russell Mac OS X 10.2.8 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Sun Netra question
Net Llama! wrote: Hi pascal, No cisco routers here (so no console cable). I've got alot of cat5, but that's about all. I get the feeling that I'll need to purchase, or construct some other kind, but i can't figure out which. ugh. i hate sun. I know what you mean ! In my recent project, I had 3 different Sun servers requiring 3 different console cables. The Netra console cable is the most easily acquired, because it is the same as the Cisco console cable. The other 2 had to be fabricated manually. What you can do is, try to borrow one from your network engineer (or any network engineer friends), because you only need it for the initial OS install. After that, you just use Exceed to connect to the box via a cross-over cable and you can do the configuration, etc. on it. If you want, I can see if I can buy one here and send it over to you. But I think it may be cheaper (and faster) to order it in the US on Cisco's website or eBay, or the neighbourhood computer shop. pascal chong ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Sun Netra question
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Chong Yu Meng wrote: I know what you mean ! In my recent project, I had 3 different Sun servers requiring 3 different console cables. The Netra console cable is the most easily acquired, because it is the same as the Cisco console cable. The other 2 had to be fabricated manually. What you can do is, try to borrow one from your network engineer (or any network engineer friends), because you only need it for the initial OS install. After that, you just use Exceed to connect to the box via a cross-over cable and you can do the configuration, etc. on it. If you want, I can see if I can buy one here and send it over to you. But I think it may be cheaper (and faster) to order it in the US on Cisco's website or eBay, or the neighbourhood computer shop. Thanks for the offer, but i'm sure i can find one around here. Hell, Cisco's corporate headquarters are a 10 minute drive from where i work. Can you explain one thing though? Why do i need the Cisco cable for the OS install, but a crossover is good enough afterwards? -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: sharing an inbox in kmail
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 23:05, Tom Wilson wrote: Hi all My wife and I have an e-mail address that we share for general corresponce with friends and family. She is getting tired of having to have me login under my username so she can see any e-mail that she gets that I happened to download. Any recommendations on a method so we can share the inbox for our shared e-mail account? I looked at Kmail filtering a copy of every message downloaded into her $HOME/Mail/inbox file but there is only a move to option not a copy to. If you can put up with Ximian Evolution mail, their filter rules allow you to 'Copy To' a specified folder or mailbox, et volia! -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Laptop suggestions
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 15:00, Michael Hipp wrote: Net Llama! wrote: yea, Thinkpads are very nice, and are virtually indestructable. My employer gave me a T20 (somewhat older, PIII-700, 512MB RAM), and it is also running RH9 + XFCE4. Here's another vote for ThinkPads. I've owned several and all worked flawlessly - very well built. I'm currently using a 240Z (thanks, dep) which is small and lightweight. Bought it refurbed on eBay for something like $600. It dual-boots XP Pro and RH9. Even the WinModem works. Dell laptops are good also, but I don't know how they play with Linux. We had about 500 Thinkpads in circulation here in our offices in Ottawa. They were our staple desktop for consultants-on-the-go. However about 3 years ago we started to have a lot of problems with power supplies and batteries. Other than that, they were tough and dependable. We still use a few in the Lab for mobile testing. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Laptop suggestions
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 11:34, Jerry McBride wrote: You got a lot of suggestions on this one, Joel, but no one suggested Panasonic. If you are into really working with your notebook, like taking them to construction work sites, etc, Panasonic makes a toughbook series that is just about indestructable. I saw one demonstrated one time where the sales rep slid a closed laptop off a desk onto the concrete apron at poolside. He did this over and over again during his sales pitch. At the end of the speech he dipped it into the pool and opened... it proceded to boot and work perfectly. Try that with your run of the mill laptop... ;') Yup. A friend of mine who works for the US Army swears that he was at a Toughbook demo for the military at Fort Bragg, where the Panasonic rep paused his PowerPoint slide presentation, closed the lid, threw the laptop out the groundfloor window, where they had a Hummer run over it. It was then handed back through the same window, where the sales rep plugged it back into the projector and resumed his presentation where he left off, hardly breaking stride. The Brigade Commander bought them on the spot. Bring money -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Laptop suggestions
burns wrote: On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 11:34, Jerry McBride wrote: You got a lot of suggestions on this one, Joel, but no one suggested Panasonic. If you are into really working with your notebook, like taking them to construction work sites, etc, Panasonic makes a toughbook series that is just about indestructable. I saw one demonstrated one time where the sales rep slid a closed laptop off a desk onto the concrete apron at poolside. He did this over and over again during his sales pitch. At the end of the speech he dipped it into the pool and opened... it proceded to boot and work perfectly. Try that with your run of the mill laptop... ;') Yup. A friend of mine who works for the US Army swears that he was at a Toughbook demo for the military at Fort Bragg, where the Panasonic rep paused his PowerPoint slide presentation, closed the lid, threw the laptop out the groundfloor window, where they had a Hummer run over it. It was then handed back through the same window, where the sales rep plugged it back into the projector and resumed his presentation where he left off, hardly breaking stride. The Brigade Commander bought them on the spot. Bring money Sounds like what we need the Dells we have at work are OK but are on the fragile side... seem to be replacing keyboards and busted screen surrounds a lot. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Sun Netra question
Net Llama! wrote: Thanks for the offer, but i'm sure i can find one around here. Hell, Cisco's corporate headquarters are a 10 minute drive from where i work. Can you explain one thing though? Why do i need the Cisco cable for the OS install, but a crossover is good enough afterwards? If you interface with the Cisco cable through the LOM port, you get low-level access to the server. By that I mean you can power down, power up, get console access to the server. So, you can re-install the operating system in command-line mode. However, you cannot get X-Windows access, and I am pretty sure that you cannot execute all the console commands (such as df -k, etc.). The cross-over cable should be plugged into the Ethernet port of the Netra, and if you know the IP address, and the root password (or have an account on the server) you can access the server through Exceed or some X terminal application. This is particularly cool with Exceed because it looks as if you're on the server itself, and it's pretty easy to configure a connection through the wizard. Take note though that on hardened Solaris systems, all you get is a single window. In cases such as this, you'll probably need to re-install Solaris. However, if you can get to the CDE login, everything will look very familiar after that. There are some uncommon permutations that I haven't covered here, but if you'd like, we can communicate offline on this. I tried to get a Netra off my company as a bonus for a successful project completion, but they didn't agree. Regards, pascal chong ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
GRUB and ATA RAID
Anyone have any experience with the above? I am having problems where after installing Grub on a bootable ATA RAID array (this particular array is a mirrored pair) I get the Grub level 2 boot and then the Grub shell. If I type in: root (hd0,0) kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 everything boots fine WTFO? -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Server Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
