Re: OpenUnix vs OpenLinux
I think it depends on your use. I use both. Our product line is still officially based on OpenUnix, but we are moving customers to OpenLinux. Our reasoning is this: OpenUnix is a server OS. Why? Look at the types of things that are bundled with it. So, when we buy OpenUnix, we buy and maybe install lots of interesting things for servers. But, ours is a desktop application. We don't need all that server stuff. OpenUnix does not have a very good desktop. On a server OS, it is probably only the sysadmin whu might use it. And, so many prefer command lines that making a nice GUI would probably not buy many points. Even though scoadmin is nice and works in X as well as console mode. The older UnixWare 1 desktop made by ATT/Novell was much better. It was back in the days when the two felt they might enter the desktop market. So, they sold a Desktop and an Application Server. The Desktop is gone. OpenUnix is the current incarnation of the Novell UnixWare Advanced Server. Of course, both are from the original ATT SVR4.2 tree, but the Advanced Server took a route to be best suited to servers, So, if it is a server you are after, then I would go with OpenUnix. I know OpenLinux can do server stuff quite well. Among all the other things it does well. But OpenUnix is designed from the bottom up to perform this task. And it does it very well. The types of devices that are supported are those one would use in a server. If you are after desktops, go with OpenLinux. I think even the OpenUnix people 'might' agree with that. If nothing else than because of the more varied hardware support useful in the ever changing desktop. Servers tend to be more static, and OpenUnix reflects this in driver support. JMTCW. And based on 10 years experience with OpenUnix (and the various forms SVR4.2 has taken over the years). On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:58:43 -0500 patrick kapturkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Hi, | I need your experts' advices, please. | I announced to my boss that, in my opinion, now, | OL server 3.1.1 is better than OpenUnix. | He asked me to give him the advantages and | disadvantages between these two OS. | I think that, with ext3fs and reiserfs, the last advantage | of unix is down and I don't see any more advantage for unix. | My job is the Unix platforms' integration in a good | company. We worked a lot with Sco OpenServer. | And now, we have a new generation of programs | which need data server with Oracle. | I thank that OpenUnix 8 was the new good idea but | I prefer OpenLinux 3.1.1 now. Even oracle has | a linux version on OpenUnix. | But if I see that unix is better, I'll keep it. | Thanks in advance. | Patrick | | __ | E-mail gratuit - Multimania - http://www.multimania.fr | | -- = Roger Oberholtzer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OPQ Systems AB WWW: http://www.opq.se Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 115 32 Stockholm Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 Sweden Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: SOME ITEMS THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN OR BE ABLE TO ADVISE ME ON
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 05:43:06 - kriss rolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled greedily: These are the items that iam interested in selling.. Could you help me with some details on the goods, history, origin etc. are these worth anything and if so who would i contact with regards to selling them? and the best way to sell them ie auction etc bullsh#t snipped PLONK!! What happened here Mike -- Many loads of beer were brought. What disorder, whoring, fighting, killing, and dreadful idolatry took place there. Baltasar Rusow, Estonia, mid 16th Century ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together?
On January 23, 2002 03:20 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:31:43 +0100 Klaus-Peter Schrage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Ok, when the parity dollar vs euro will have gone down by then ... But in what direction, we all ask ourselves. Well the Canuck buck is in the toilet right now compared to the Yank dollar, so if this is in the near future, I will be the guy sleeping in a tent and boiling up Kraft Dinner over a Sterno can. (and I'll bring REAL beer down with me, thanks.) g -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together?
On January 24, 2002 02:26 am, Zoran wrote: On Jan 22 Susan Macchia was heard saying: -I would be interested. July is out though and I probably couldn't travel all -the way to the west coast (sorry llama) since I live on the east :-) *** East, west... You forgot there're Europeans on this list too... ;-) No we haven't. I think the last location tossed around in this thread was Ohio... that's about half way between you and our Friends in Norfolk Island and their neighbouring colony, Australia. See? - nice and central! -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together?
On January 23, 2002 05:19 am, Mike Andrew wrote: Kurt, Burns, Skippy, lama and myself all still have our tickets for the Caldera Symphony Brass Band convention, in Tahiti. However, due to the Camel's outright selfishness in applying (and getting!) a real job, in California as a cable car conductor, it got cancelled. Consequently, none of us could go parcel post via his old company, UPS. It was a damn shame, I had my grass skirt, and my ear thongs all freshly painted, nails manicured., even bought a mark I Kurtwerks tin hat for the occaision... sigh Yes. Keef had polished his crystal balls, tuned up his magic wand and I had gotten new dentures for the occaision (I hate borrowing Mike's). -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
eW3.1 Additions
I've just installed eW3.1 (impressed so far!) and would like to add support for the following to PHP: MySQL, Apache, cURL, PSPELL PDFLib. What's the best way to do this given that they are *.tar.gz and php is *.rpm? Should I uninstall the php rpm and reinstall as *.tar.gz? Cheers, Clint Tevlin Sydney, Australia ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
OTopinions on hostway.com services?
anyone? -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf You're not paranoid. The world _IS_ fscked. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re[1] OpenUnix vs OpenLinux
I thank you Roger for your thoughts, Our will is Data Base Server with Oracle. Account, pay ... applications are Windoze applications on windoze workstations. Platform Windoze use W2K server and sqlserver. I want add for our customers a new choice with Unix/Linux server and Oracle, where windows manager isn't so important. But Oracle doesn't exist for OpenUnix. We can install Linux Oracle 8i. I tested it and it works well on OpenUnix. I tested webmin, Samba on OpenUnix, they work well. And finally I tested vncserver and fvwm on OpenUnix and they work well. But all these products are Linux products and I'd a doubt on the real opportunity of OpenUnix usage. For the moment, with your advice, OpenUnix is winning 2 goals to 0. Thanks again. Patrick ---Message d'origine--- De : Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date : 24/01/2002 10:33:51 I think it depends on your use. OpenUnix is a server OS. We don't need all that server stuff. OpenUnix does not have a very good desktop. __ E-mail gratuit - Multimania - http://www.multimania.fr
RE: SOME ITEMS THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN OR BE ABLE TO ADVISE ME ON
Myles Green wrote: WTF?? You took the acronym write out of my mouth Myles. -- Tom Wilson ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: problem
you pay for what you think is important. Most of us here don't (if not won't) find the GUI and M$ marketing important at all. Apart from this XP was good, has very quick boot time, good integration of file types, etc. Now after using XP it is clear to me that windows has the same way of doing things that Linux does, only GUI make it easy for newbies. -- The pivotal point is the second chance, judged by another set of force and farce. In Linux We Trust -- http://linux.nf and news://news.hkpcug.org ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Thinkpad upgrade
On Thursday 24 January 2002 1:52 am, zohar wrote: I have once used Symantec Ghost which copied my complete HDD on another disk and after reformatting my HDD I again used Ghost to copy the contents to the original HDD and all settings were as before. But mine was PC. I think taking the original HDD to PC and then attach the other one (bigger) as slave. Copy the contents of it on the new one using ghost. Then put extra OS(win, SUSE). This msy solve your problem. Please mail me if I am wrong logically so I would not make the same mistake next time. I'm hoping to mount the old and the new drive on the laptop and do the copy there. That's essentially the same thing you're suggesting. Since all of my desktops are SCSI based, I'd really rather not get into trying to configure IDE on those. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bruce Marshall Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT Thinkpad upgrade On Tuesday 22 January 2002 0:06 am, Philip J. Koenig wrote: On 21 Jan 2002, at 12:57, Bill Campbell boldly uttered: BTW: When I got the new hard drive, I called IBM support to find out where to buy an extra mounting bracket for the new drive so I could just swap drives quickly without having to mess with screws and such. The support person said this wasn't really his department, but took the model number, got the necessary part numbers, and set up a conference call with the appropriate people so I could order it quickly. Excellent support is the primary reason we use only IBM laptops (that and I can't stand the touchpads instead of the little eraser in the keyboard :-). One thing that you can do on some Thinkpads is get a converter that will allow you to replace the battery with a 2nd HD. I did this on my older Tpad when doing an HD upgrade and it's a *way* convenient way to copy stuff over without having to deal with external backup mediums. I totally agree on IBM service, which is one reason why I'm a dedicated Tpad user and I recommend them to all my clients. Phil I think I've found an answer I have backup software that will write to a disk... that disk can be remote on the LAN. So I will backup the TP to another Windows machine, put the new drive in and install a new Windows and the backup software. Then restore from the backup. If all goes well, the job is done. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 01/24/02 08:58 + ++ Capitalism without Bankruptcy is like Christianity without Hell. --Frank ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
atd startup error
Can't link execution file: Permission denied Does anyone know why I am getting this error when I try to run atd? Thanks, Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: atd startup error
Joel Hammer wrote: Can't link execution file: Permission denied Does anyone know why I am getting this error when I try to run atd? Thanks, Joel As a user or root? See /etc/at.deny * at.allow if as a user -- Linux SxS [http://sxs.webhop.net] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: [ot] seti
Chang[linuxism] wrote: can your clients talk to seti headquarter? Yep. Results Received 3777 Total CPU Time 3.408 years Average CPU Time per work unit 7 hr 54 min 13.9 sec Last result returned:Thu Jan 24 13:41:30 2002 UTC (9:41 AM ET) -- Linux SxS [http://sxs.webhop.net] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: atd startup error
As root. I have the same at.deny list on two different machines, but only one machine refuses to start atd. Joel On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 09:39:31AM -0500, Ian wrote: Joel Hammer wrote: Can't link execution file: Permission denied Does anyone know why I am getting this error when I try to run atd? Thanks, Joel As a user or root? See /etc/at.deny * at.allow if as a user -- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
RE: OT Thinkpad upgrade
-Original Message- From: zohar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:52 PM I have once used Symantec Ghost which copied my complete HDD on another disk and after reformatting my HDD I again used Ghost to copy the contents to the original HDD and all settings were as before. But mine was PC. I think taking the original HDD to PC and then attach the other one (bigger) as slave. Copy the contents of it on the new one using ghost. Then put extra OS(win, SUSE). This msy solve your problem. Please mail me if I am wrong logically so I would not make the same mistake next time. To copy a full file system to another disk try: cd top_level_of_filesystem_to_copy find . -print -depth -mount | cpio -ptmV top_level_of_destination_filesystem '-print' causes the output to be a list of filenames (with path included) '-depth' tells it to go as deep as your directory structure '-mount' tells it *not* to cross mount points (only this one partition will be used) This will take a while, but it will copy *everything*. Directories will be created for you. It would be best if the destination file system is empty. CAUTION: I'm working from admittedly poor memory on the cpio flags. I *know* the V is correct (it prints one dot to the screen for each file copied). I'm pretty sure about the p and t options, but I was doing this on a Solaris system when I did it regularly. I'm not so certain about the m. So, RTFM on cpio and you should be able to choose the correct options. If you can't figure it out, drop me a line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (where I have it written down) and I'll send the specifics of the cpio command. When you have finished whatever you are doing to the original partition you can reverse the process to put it all back. Note: Please be sure to check ahead of time to make sure you have adequate disk space for the transfers. 'du' should be able to tell you how much space you will need to copy originally, and the same amount should go back. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) +--+ | Thomas A. Condonemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Computer Engineer phone: (360) 315-7609| | Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358| +--+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
RE: SOME ITEMS THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN OR BE ABLE TO ADVISE ME ON
Myles Green wrote: WTF?? You took the acronym write out of my mouth Myles. That reminds me of a variant of WTF that I've used occasionally over the past 15 years: Fut the Wuck??!! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Bad Track Record
Here is what I've been trying to send to the right place, but seemingly cannot. Please forgive my bumbling. I'm drunk. Ok, I'm not drunk, but its a good excuse. Tyler PS: Thanks to Tim for pointing things out. TCR ***OLD MESSAGE*** So far I have received 22 name/loc statements. Would it be possible to get a member count for this list? I'd like to get more statements before I produce the map, but It's not all that hard to do. The posting address is: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You know, the beer'll be nice but I can't wait to see the party hats!! G Tyler ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OTopinions on hostway.com services?
--- Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone? Are you talking about Colo hosting with your own box, or theirs? I've never heard of this company (not that it means much), so i think the details of the deal are what is critical. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: [ot] seti
Chang[linuxism] wrote: can your clients talk to seti headquarter? -- snip From the Seti page at http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ - January 24, 2002 - The data server is currently overloaded. Many users are unable to connect to send/receive data. We are working on it - sorry for the inconveneince. -- Andrew Mathews 10:42am up 19:16, 4 users, load average: 2.02, 2.04, 2.01 One man's constant is another man's variable. -- A.J. Perlis ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: [ot] seti
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:47:26 +0800 Chang[linuxism] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can your clients talk to seti headquarter? ?? well, their servers were down for a little while but they seem to be back online again now. HTH?? -- Myles Green Calgary AB Canada Alberta Linux Step by Step Mirror: http://mylesg.homelinux.net/ -- USER, n.: The word computer professionals use when they mean idiot. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext2/ext3
dep babbled on about: yup. because you can't just up and delete the .journal file without chattr -i /.journal first, which i believe takes care of this. whoa! so you're saying that chattr will also clear the correct flag in the superblock?!? -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf Ah, women. They make the highs higher and lows more frequent. -- Nietzsche ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext3 on root partition question
Jerry McBride babbled on about: That's correct. But my original post was to the effect of making people aware of a real bad gotcha is your RESCUE floppy wasn' ext3 aware. It can be very embarassing. :') ___ I still dont follow you Jerry. Embarassing how? It will work. I do it all the time. I have an ext2 boot flopy and regularly use it to boot an ext3 system. where's the issue? -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf I don't pirate MS software. It wouldn't be worth the price.. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Bad Track Record
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:58:20 -0700 Tyler Regas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is what I've been trying to send to the right place, but seemingly cannot. Please forgive my bumbling. I'm drunk. Ok, I'm not drunk, but its a good excuse. Tyler PS: Thanks to Tim for pointing things out. TCR ***OLD MESSAGE*** So far I have received 22 name/loc statements. Would it be possible to get a member count for this list? I'd like to get more statements before I produce the map, but It's not all that hard to do. The posting address is: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You know, the beer'll be nice but I can't wait to see the party hats!! Yup. Brand-new Kurtwerks Model I vintage N.O.S. units... -- Myles Green Calgary AB Canada Alberta Linux Step by Step Mirror: http://mylesg.homelinux.net/ -- USER, n.: The word computer professionals use when they mean idiot. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: opinions on this iptables script
That's what I mean by nasty... Retaliation (albeit mild). That's the way to go IMHO. Just haven't had the time to automate one. On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:31:23 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Carpenter babbled on about: I've done a bit of civil using the standard chains of responsibility, butnasty has been very tempting... especially with the SSH_Version_Mapper crap... ___ not nasty per say... just turning the attack around and using an IIS exploit to shutdown the machine that's attacking mine -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf She's gone! Oh my God, she used me. I was used. I was used! Cool ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: opinions on this iptables script
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:40:09PM -0500, Matthew Carpenter wrote: That's what I mean by nasty... Retaliation (albeit mild). That's the way to go IMHO. Just haven't had the time to automate one. One of our ISP customers was being mail bombed from an ISP, and when I called their technical contact to have them disconnect the modem for that customer he told me that he couldn't tell which modem corresponded to that IP address (he was running NT of course :-). My suggestion was to disconnect modems until the attack stopped to which he replied, ``how will I know when it's stopped''. I told him he would know when the messages stopped coming into his postmaster address as I pressed ENTER to active the deliver script to forward that message to him... (the problem stopped shortly after then when the NT system crashed). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``...I'm not one of those who think Bill Gates is the devil. I simply suspect that if Microsoft ever met up with the devil, it wouldn't need an interpreter.'' -- Nick Petreley ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Large cracks in the Windoze, a fud warning.
Note that I just read an article in which Ballmer is quoted as stating that Windows 2000 is more stable than Linux, among other BS. Laughable, but public perception is no laughing matter when the whole world is involved. Note On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:56:30 +1130 Mike Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our dear friend Big Bill has a fearsome reputation for discerning the next big direction in computing, and thus keeping his Company afloat. Unlike all others in the game (except notably IBM), all others made the mistake of living off their killer app, and consequently being consigned to history. (aka Novell, visicalc, Digital Research, to name a few). Where Bill is uncanny is his insistence on moving Msoft, boots 'n all into whatever it is. Thus he re-invents Msoft every decade. Remember microsoft? that company that just did Dos and Basic? Thus the occaisional missives from him to all staff to move from DOS to Win3.1 (he sacked the entire DOS6 dev staff) The subsequent all out focus on Word and Excel, the marriage of convenience to Novel when he saw ethernet being 'it', the marriage to IBM while gui desktops were still being accepted... and, recently, his inspired guess that Internet was 'it'. His misguided attempt to kill Internet stone motherless dead and replace it with his (original) version of MSN. The flat out, mad-pace development of IExplorer (just 6 weeks for christ sake!) and, now. The missive from Gates is: stop work on every single project and development, add no more features, and concentrate *solely* on making our products 1) secure, 2) stable. In context to the 1st paragraphs, this missive is the same gigantic leap into something new. He is past the point of just being 'worried' and sees the demise of Msoft on the horizon because of the TWO issues. Recall, he saw correctly, the demise of Windoze without IExplorer. Now, if this OS of his, *is* unstable, and *is* insecure, the bottom line to that is who gives a sh*t when nothing else is available? The arrogance of pumping crap out for a decade was because he could. For a decade now, there was indeed NOTHING else (that worried Bill enuff). The only reason Bill is taking this issue as strong as he can, is he can see people flocking (I use the word advisedly) to Linux and it's derivates. The word from the industry watchers (Gerian, DB Associates, Standard Poors) is too little, too late. We live in interesting times. Knowing Msoft history makes me think these pundits are wrong, yet-again. Bill will simply create a new Xindows that IS secure. And now a warning. There are a (very) small number of people on this list, who will confirm for you, that FUDmongery is real and was a paid for veritable disease in the OS/2 vs Msoft warz. The basic rules are, you take your opponent's os apart and find anything sloppy. You then innocently post 'bug reports' into mailgroups. ANY response of any kind to these bugs (real or imagined), prompts a wave of auto-generated hate mail from umpty dozen new mail@somewheres, How can it be like this, I thought you said it was 'perfect, I agree with Fred, your OS is crap When genuine weakneses run out, you then look for ones that can't be verified. 'The team' supplies a stream of questions on issues that can't be proved or disproved. Purpose? Confusion, doubt, unsure-ness. What Bill's boys will now (desperately) attempt to do is DIScredit Linux's famed stability and security. They don't actually have a choice if they wish to survive, because they have to show Windoze is MORE secure than *nix. It's that serious, for them. You may laugh, I may laugh, at this obvious untruth, Windoze isn't secure, probably can't be (but knowing Bill, that may not be true forever). The point is, they are going to go flat out with the unwashed masses, convincing them that Linux, it's grandathers, and it's children are cr*p. This won't affect THIS mailer directly because the corporate mind is thinking Redhat, but Be warned. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Large cracks in the Windoze, a fud warning.
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:05:55PM -0500, Matthew Carpenter wrote: Note that I just read an article in which Ballmer is quoted as stating that Windows 2000 is more stable than Linux, among other BS. Laughable, but public perception is no laughing matter when the whole world is involved. It's probably more stable if one considers the stability of a box sitting on the shelf, and the likelihood of the shelf being displaced in an earthquake. The mass of the licenses and other paper in the box make it a better paper weight. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``We shouldn't elect a President; we should elect a magician.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: problem
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:50:01 +0800 Chang[linuxism] [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed into the bitstream: you pay for what you think is important. Most of us here don't (if not won't) find the GUI and M$ marketing important at all. Apart from this XP was good, has very quick boot time, good integration of file types, etc. Now after using XP it is clear to me that windows has the same way of doing things that Linux does, only GUI make it easy for newbies. I had a good laugh yesterday. At a demo, the guy doing the demo was using Windows XP Professional (in the demo he was connected to a Linux box). He had a laptop, 1GHz CPU, 256Mb RAM, and it took several minutes to accomplish even the simplest task (over 2 minutes wait to change the IP and get it on the client's network -- I was surprised that he didn't have to reboot, but that would not have taken any longer). My poor old 333 Celeron laptop, with only 128 Mb of memory, had changed everything and I had time to go through over 30 mails and respond to quite a few before he was done with just the IP change. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Netscape and symbolic links
--- Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just noticed a problem with netscape 6.2. When I try to open a file or look into a directory on my local computer, it will not do it if it involves following a symbolic link. I can go directly to the file, bypassing the link, and open the file with no difficulties. Has anyone seen this before? *sigh* Joel, what do you have against using Mozilla? This bug doesn't exist in Mozilla. __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OTopinions on hostway.com services?
On January 24, 2002 05:05 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote: anyone? I'd suggest asking at http://www.webhostingtalk.com David Aikema ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: quick gotcha w/ xfree86 4.2.0 and ati cards
Douglas J Hunley wrote: SNIP ... of .sig USER, n.: The word computer professionals use when they mean idiot. That's not very nice now is it? G! -- Linux SxS [http://sxs.webhop.net/] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Netscape and symbolic links
I have just noticed a problem with netscape 6.2. When I try to open a file or look into a directory on my local computer, it will not do it if it involves following a symbolic link. I can go directly to the file, bypassing the link, and open the file with no difficulties. Has anyone seen this before? Thanks, Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
quick gotcha w/ xfree86 4.2.0 and ati cards
If you find that after upgrading to 4.2.0 your screen looks like it is shifted to the right and/or is too tall, you should try adding: Option nocompositesync to the Device section of your XF86Config. Seems 4.2.0 changed the default value from False to True. It was changed back to False in CVS yesterday. -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf USER, n.: The word computer professionals use when they mean idiot. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: atd startup error
Here is some more info:
strace on the working box contains this near the end:
chdir(/var/spool/atjobs) = 0
brk(0x8051000) = 0x8051000
time([1011914030]) = 1011914030
open(/etc/localtime, O_RDONLY)= 4
read(4, TZif\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\0\0\3\0..., 44) = 44
read(4, \236\246\36p\237\272\353`\240\206\0p\241\232\315`\242e..., 1170) = 1170
read(4, \377\377\307\300, 4) = 4
fstat(4, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1250, ...}) = 0
mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40015000
read(4, \1\0\377\377\271\260\0\4\377\377\307\300\1\10EWT\0EST\0..., 4096) = 32
close(4)= 0
Whereas the nonworking atd gives this with strace:
chdir(/var/spool/atjobs) = 0
SYS_174(0x1, 0, 0xba68, 0x8, 0x1) = 0
SYS_174(0x1, 0xbae8, 0, 0x8, 0x1) = 0
SYS_174(0x11, 0, 0xba50, 0x8, 0x11) = 0
SYS_174(0x11, 0xbaf4, 0, 0x8, 0x11) = 0
SYS_174(0xf, 0, 0xba5c, 0x8, 0xf) = 0
SYS_174(0xf, 0xbadc, 0, 0x8, 0xf) = 0
SYS_174(0x2, 0, 0xba68, 0x8, 0x2) = 0
SYS_174(0x2, 0xbae8, 0, 0x8, 0x2) = 0
close(0)= 0
close(1)= 0
close(2)= 0
open(/dev/null, O_RDWR) = 0
open(/dev/null, O_RDWR) = 1
open(/dev/null, O_RDWR) = 2
Any insight, as always, appreciated.
Joel
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 10:11:24AM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote:
As root.
I have the same at.deny list on two different machines, but only one
machine refuses to start atd.
Joel
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 09:39:31AM -0500, Ian wrote:
Joel Hammer wrote:
Can't link execution file: Permission denied
Does anyone know why I am getting this error when I try to run atd?
Thanks,
Joel
As a user or root?
See /etc/at.deny * at.allow if as a user
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Re: Netscape and symbolic links
I don't have a new version of mozilla to run. I have no assurance it would compile and run on my machine, and I am getting too old and tired to switch applications (netscape 4.75 to netscape 6.0 to opera (two versions), and finally to netscape 6.2, just because there are a few things on the current app not working quite right. I am tired of solving the same problem over and over. Bring on some new ones! And, there are always unforeseen problems. Would my bookmarks transfer over? Anyway, netscape 6.2 has worked on every webpage I have tried so far EXCEPT the federal loan page for my son's school loan. That I had to use explorer for with win4lin. I will try mozilla on my redhat machine to see if that will work for this federal loan page. Joel On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 04:04:45PM -0800, Net Llama wrote: --- Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just noticed a problem with netscape 6.2. When I try to open a file or look into a directory on my local computer, it will not do it if it involves following a symbolic link. I can go directly to the file, bypassing the link, and open the file with no difficulties. Has anyone seen this before? *sigh* Joel, what do you have against using Mozilla? This bug doesn't exist in Mozilla. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: problem
On Thursday 24 January 2002 6:18:10 pm, David A. Bandel's voice rose above the ones in my head and declared: I had a good laugh yesterday. At a demo, the guy doing the demo was using Windows XP Professional (in the demo he was connected to a Linux box). He had a laptop, 1GHz CPU, 256Mb RAM, and it took several minutes to accomplish even the simplest task (over 2 minutes wait to change the IP and get it on the client's network -- I was surprised that he didn't have to reboot, but that would not have taken any longer). I do believe m$ calls those type of things 'features'. I had a girl in my class last night ask me why her Office 97 disk wouldn't install on her new XP machine. I just sighed, said I far as I knew nothing installed on XP, and recommended she pick up a copy of Linux to install on her new machine. I even offered my e-mail address for advice and tips. I doubt I here anything though. My poor old 333 Celeron laptop, with only 128 Mb of memory, had changed everything and I had time to go through over 30 mails and respond to quite a few before he was done with just the IP change. And people don't believe me when I refer to windoze as bloatware. They think that that is just the way computers work. -- Tom Wilson Register Linux user # 199331 I used to be with it, then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it anymore and whats it seems strange and scary to me. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: SOME ITEMS THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN OR BE ABLE TO ADVISE ME ON
On Thursday 24 January 2002 11:11:41 am, Tyler Regas's voice rose above the ones in my head and declared: Myles Green wrote: WTF?? You took the acronym write out of my mouth Myles. That reminds me of a variant of WTF that I've used occasionally over the past 15 years: Fut the Wuck??!! I like to toss out the occasional, Joke 'em if they can't take a Fsck. -- Tom Wilson Register Linux user # 199331 I used to be with it, then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it anymore and whats it seems strange and scary to me. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
another xfree 4.2.0 gotcha
noticing on the kde lists a lot of people complaining about ugly/messed up fonts after upgrading. seems that the new 4.2.0 of xfree86 contains new fonts and some old fonts have new names... watch out everyone -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf Design is like a religion - too much of it makes you inflexible and unpopular. - Linus ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext3 on root partition question
I still dont follow you Jerry. Embarassing how? It will work. I do it all the time. I have an ext2 boot flopy and regularly use it to boot an ext3 system. I've had the experience where a root system running ext3 was so clobbered that it had to be accessed via a boot floppy. The only rescue floppy I had on hand did not have an fsck thas was able to recover the ext3 system... Bingo... a big problem, yes? After upgrading the utils on the floppy, I was able to fsck.ext3 the partition in question and all data was recoverable. That was my point, sorry I wasn't clear enough in the begining. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: quick gotcha w/ xfree86 4.2.0 and ati cards
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:45:00 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you find that after upgrading to 4.2.0 your screen looks like it is shifted to the right and/or is too tall, you should try adding: Option nocompositesync to the Device section of your XF86Config. Seems 4.2.0 changed the default value from False to True. It was changed back to False in CVS yesterday. Over here on a COMPAQ 1278, 1276 and maybe an old 1610.. I've had to add: option SWCursor yes to fix the offset mouse pointer problem. Where the pointer is offset from the click location by about 1/4 to 3/8. It's not needed in 4.1 or 4.02. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Netscape and symbolic links
Are you running Netscape 6.2.1 or 6.2. 6.2.1 fixes some things, but I don't know if your problem is one of them. FYI, Netscape 6.2 and 6.2.1 are based on Mozilla 0.9.4, which was released in September, over 4 months ago. Mozilla is days away from 0.9.8. You also don't have to compile it if you don't want to , they have binary tarballs. Bookmarks should transfer over fine, as should e-mails. Mozilla will store profile data in ~/.mozilla, I believe Netscape 6x will store it in ~/.nestape6, but I don't know for sure (I've never actually installed Netscape 6 ;-) ) . So it should be possible to run them both simultaneously. Regards, Tim Previously, Joel Hammer chose to write: I don't have a new version of mozilla to run. I have no assurance it would compile and run on my machine, and I am getting too old and tired to switch applications (netscape 4.75 to netscape 6.0 to opera (two versions), and finally to netscape 6.2, just because there are a few things on the current app not working quite right. I am tired of solving the same problem over and over. Bring on some new ones! And, there are always unforeseen problems. Would my bookmarks transfer over? Anyway, netscape 6.2 has worked on every webpage I have tried so far EXCEPT the federal loan page for my son's school loan. That I had to use explorer for with win4lin. I will try mozilla on my redhat machine to see if that will work for this federal loan page. Joel On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 04:04:45PM -0800, Net Llama wrote: --- Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just noticed a problem with netscape 6.2. When I try to open a file or look into a directory on my local computer, it will not do it if it involves following a symbolic link. I can go directly to the file, bypassing the link, and open the file with no difficulties. Has anyone seen this before? *sigh* Joel, what do you have against using Mozilla? This bug doesn't exist in Mozilla. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- Caldera eWorkstation 3.1, kernel 2.4.9, KDE 2.2.1, Xfree86 4.1.0 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Netscape and symbolic links
--- Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have a new version of mozilla to run. I have no assurance it would compile and run on my machine, and I am getting too old and tired to Precompiled binary packages are readily available at ftp.mozilla.org. Tarballs for i686 and RPMs for i386. And, there are always unforeseen problems. Would my bookmarks transfer over? Yes. Mozilla automagically checks to see if you have a .netscape directory, and then offers to import bookmarks (assuming that you've never run mozilla as that user before). Anyway, netscape 6.2 has worked on every webpage I have tried so far EXCEPT the federal loan page for my son's school loan. That I had to use explorer IF you mean the dlservicer.gov site, it works just fine for me in Mozilla when i'm putzing with my $15k in educational loans. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: another xfree 4.2.0 gotcha
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:04:27 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: noticing on the kde lists a lot of people complaining about ugly/messed up fonts after upgrading. seems that the new 4.2.0 of xfree86 contains new fonts and some old fonts have new names... watch out everyone I've been running XF86-4.2 for about 2.5 or 3 days now without any of the problems (touch wood) that have been brought up on the list lately. One thing I do that may be different is: I grab the MS webfonts from microsoft.com and mostly use those. For the record though, I do see some errors listed in the logs (I just looked now ;) pertaining to certain font paths and the disabling of the offending ones but it/they don't seem to be a problem here. Am I just lucky or what? -- Myles Green Calgary AB Canada Alberta Linux Step by Step Mirror: http://mylesg.homelinux.net/ -- USER, n.: The word computer professionals use when they mean idiot. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Fwd: Mail System Error - Returned Mail
Well thats one way of saying, Ferget it! Bounce the mail grin -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:48:10 +1000 From: Mail Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: Each of the following recipients was rejected by a remote mail server. The reasons given by the server are included to help you determine why each recipient was rejected. Recipient: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reason:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Recipient unknown Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you feel this message to be in error. Reporting-MTA: dns; mta01bw.bigpond.com Received-From-MTA:dns; there (144.135.24.72) Arrival-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:40:45 +1000 Remote-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Diagnostic-Code: smtp;551 SMTP-Deliver:BadRecipient Action: failed Status: 5.1.6 Remote-MTA: DNS;mail.pdahandyman.com Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:48:10 +1000 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from there ([144.135.24.72]) by mta01bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQEUVX00.5SR for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:40:45 +1000 Received: from CPE-203-45-140-190.qld.bigpond.net.au ([203.45.140.190]) by bwmam02.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0h 11/2327535); 24 Jan 2002 07:33:37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: what no subject? Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:33:40 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keith Antoine Brisbane OZ. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage --- -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Re: VMware Wkstn 3.0 and XP Upgrade
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:07,[EMAIL PROTECTED] scribed: Hello Skippy, It actually went quite well and runs damn faster than natively. I am satisfied that I went ahead and bought the upgrade to VMware 3.0 from 2.04 Express. Now, I will rarely have to boot into native winblows. Best Regards, Keith B. It would not run certain programs for me but 2000 does so it went. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: SOME ITEMS THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN OR BE ABLE TO ADVISE ME ON
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:43,kriss rolo scribed: These are the items that iam interested in selling.. Could you help me with some details on the goods, history, origin etc. are these worth anything and if so who would i contact with regards to selling them? and the best way to sell them ie auction etc What the bloody hell is this crap doing in here?? -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together?
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:26,Zoran scribed: On Jan 22 Susan Macchia was heard saying: -I would be interested. July is out though and I probably couldn't travel all -the way to the west coast (sorry llama) since I live on the east :-) *** East, west... You forgot there're Europeans on this list too... ;-) Cheers, Zoran. (with a whisper) Don't forget us in the South Pacific either. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together?
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:34,Lavinius Romio Petru scribed: Where ever it might be count me in as I need a Holliday and ummdo they have JimBeam and nice woman in Afganistan? Lavinius Romio Petru Network Administrator www.rom-tech.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Brisbane, Australia, Springwood exit off the highway two lefts ..three rights pass the roundabout and 5th house on yer right Hell! yer half way to the Gold Coast from me. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: another xfree 4.2.0 gotcha
--- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:04:27 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: noticing on the kde lists a lot of people complaining about ugly/messed up fonts after upgrading. seems that the new 4.2.0 of xfree86 contains new fonts and some old fonts have new names... watch out everyone I've been running XF86-4.2 for about 2.5 or 3 days now without any of the problems (touch wood) that have been brought up on the list lately. One thing I do that may be different is: I grab the MS webfonts from microsoft.com and mostly use those. For the record though, I do see some errors listed in the logs (I just looked now ;) pertaining to certain font paths and the disabling of the offending ones but it/they don't seem to be a problem here. Am I just lucky or what? Other than the weird problem that i am having going directly to RL5, 4.2.0 is running flawlessly for me as well. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together?
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:52,burns scribed: On January 22, 2002 11:20 pm, Andrew Mathews wrote: phillipp wrote: snip Installfests now generate revenue??? Rip Van Winkel If you offer extra services, sell products, or build relationships with the right people, then yes. I can think of a dozen items that could be offered, t-shirts, tux penguins, pictures of me, well maybe not me, but Kurt, Doug, Lonnie, Burnsie, Kantoine, and Mike Andrews at least. BG The mind boggles!! The only people I could imagine considering my face for a T-shirt might be People For The Ethical Treatment Of Animals... and only then as a scare tactic. Regarding the question of beer, of course there would be beer - I haven't seen a Linux event yet where there wasn't lashings of ale (and beer). I do nopt look bad in a pair of thongs! -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together?
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:08,burns scribed: It was a damn shame, I had my grass skirt, and my ear thongs all freshly painted, nails manicured., even bought a mark I Kurtwerks tin hat for the occaision... sigh Yes. Keef had polished his crystal balls, tuned up his magic wand and I had gotten new dentures for the occaision (I hate borrowing Mike's). U bin watching me on that webcam again, ainchya Burnsie. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OTopinions on hostway.com services?
On January 24, 2002 05:05 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote: anyone? One thing I did notice though is that they are one of these annoying companies who bumps up your monthly fees whenever you upgrade your hardware (dedicated server) eg. take their base linux server and change the hard drive from a 30gb ide to a 9 gig scsi... the setup costs understandable jump but the monthly fees for the machine also climb by the same amount. just think, after a year you've paid $1300 for your 9 gig scsi drive. David Aikema ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: second dvd (cdrom) not seen as
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:40,Mike Andrew scribed: Second, most distros only supply /dev/scd0 and /dev/scd1. You will have to mknod /dev/scd2 yourself. Sorry about the delay but I have been busy and offlist for a few days. So what I would like from you is a howto for making the scd2 with mknod, if you have the spare time. The major minor # are 11 and 1 on my scd1. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Compile error
In an attempt to compile gCatalog I've run into errors. I've managed to fix all the errors except the last one: src/files.h:2: using typedef-name `GtkWidget' after `struct' make: *** [gCatalog] Error 1 This is the offending line: -- void new_file(struct GtkWidget *, gpointer *data); I'm not a programmer and haven't the foggiest what this means, any help would be appreciated TIA -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
problem for non Linux users - Windoze users
Tom I was in class last night myself. A programming course, and the machines they are going to use are linux. Now the Prof said you can use any languag and any OS. He uses linux and c++, if you need help from him, well you need to do as he does. One guy complained that he just bought a new machine and was planning to put Mandrake on it. He has said that he has tried 2 times and it fails to install. He would prefer to use Borland c++. He and many others complained that they really did not know unix/linux. The Prof told the class you were sused to learn that in the early courses and this course assumes you do. After class over I said I would teach them how to do what they needed to know. Of course for a price. They for most part turned it down, so far. This will be grear. Hell 15 years ago they taught Unix, it was required. Some will have a tough time on their project. A c++ program that outputs a script to a web browser. This class should be fun, for me. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
printer in Suse 7.3
I have a problem with my print program in Suse and Konqueror/Kmail. when I go to print a mail out it brings up a window to print from, in ther are printer names as strings. The one I need 'lpr' is not there but 3 others are lp|lp2|y2prn_lp.vpp--auto-lp|y2prn_lp.upp auto the others are lp-asci and lp-raw None of these print of course, they just bring up an error window. Where can I edit these to lpr or whatever. It seems to be in kmail and konqueror only, I think. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: another xfree 4.2.0 gotcha
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:15:35 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:04:27 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: noticing on the kde lists a lot of people complaining about ugly/messed up fonts after upgrading. seems that the new 4.2.0 of xfree86 contains new fonts and some old fonts have new names... watch out everyone I've been running XF86-4.2 for about 2.5 or 3 days now without any of the problems (touch wood) that have been brought up on the list lately. One thing I do that may be different is: I grab the MS webfonts from microsoft.com and mostly use those. For the record though, I do see some errors listed in the logs (I just looked now ;) pertaining to certain font paths and the disabling of the offending ones but it/they don't seem to be a problem here. Am I just lucky or what? Other than the weird problem that i am having going directly to RL5, 4.2.0 is running flawlessly for me as well. Must be a problem with GDM (you did say that was what you were using, correct?) because I use KDM when using RL5 and haven't had any problems. Is there a quick and dirty way for me to change to using GDM so I can check it out? There gotta be a way, I used to do it with Slackware all the time... Anyway, I thought that if I could try it out and (hopefully) get it to work alright here then maybe we could compare config files and figure out your problem... or provide more fuel for a bug report. Just an idea... -- Myles Green Calgary AB Canada Alberta Linux Step by Step Mirror: http://mylesg.homelinux.net/ -- USER, n.: The word computer professionals use when they mean idiot. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Modems
I want to know how to distinguish between (1)external (internal or real modem), (2)Winmodem, (3)AMR modem, and any other types by signs of it in hardware and software(operating system) and AT commands of it to use for that. Can I get a complete explanation of the site(s) describing the details completely. Which are they? Second time ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
RE: problem
Zoran, I am using windows mainly for mails and surfing because on my system there is a winmodem and now I do not have money to get external modem to work on my linux side. But linux boots fast in character mode, if not using GUI mode. I have done the same and comparing to W98 and W2k, WXP is faster. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Zoran Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:31 PM To: Linux Users list Subject: Re: problem Today zohar was heard saying: -I had a problem with XP, on that platform my mail server and messenger -was not working so I formatted again and installed W2K and installed -outlook XP and now it is working. Do anyone can help me what the problem -was? So I can solve it in the future if any of my friends can have that -problem. *** I will politely remind you that this is a **Linux** list. I'm not sure the details of your problem are of a lot of interest (I'm willingly using an understatement here) to this user-base. I think your specific problem can be best solved by calling the M'$oft Hot-line. -Apart from this XP was good, has very quick boot time, good integration -of file types, etc. *** Interesting, I think I'll ditch Linux now and install this product. I especially like the quick boot times: It looks like a very important feature for the Microsoft OS product line. BTW, does XP allow to customise the BSOD or is that feature available in the to be released Norton Utilities? -Now after using XP it is clear to me that windows has the same way of -doing things that Linux does, only GUI make it easy for newbies. *** Weeell, I don't know... I think I prefer :0: * ^From.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]* /dev/null to any GUI interface... Cheers, Zoran. -- If you find me, please return me to my $HOME: my address is 'cd'. P.S. Part of my message should be read with a :-P in mind... ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
