Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

[Jim Thompson]

SD cards are storage, but not “disks” nor “drives”.

Beyond m-SATA, eMMC is your best option.  Not only are they faster than SD 
cards (speeds of the larger devices rival those of traditional SSDs, as well as 
supporting a “TRIM”-like operation, priority interruptible READ and ERASE 
operations, background operations, and riding the cost-curve of cellular 
handsets (growing) .vs consumer point-and-shoot cameras (shrinking), etc.)

(This, by the way, is a huge, huge ‘hint’.)
(You may wish read between the lines.)

A lot of the SLC / MLC mythos is from before the days of JEDEC standards for 
endurance, advanced wear-leveling algorithms, and before a lof of the firmware 
engineers understood concepts such as “read disturbance”, “write disturbance”, 
and “ECC correction thresholds”.  It’s certainly not as simple as you’re making 
it out to be.

(This, again, is the big reason that Netgate stayed out of the early fracas 
around SSDs.)

I’m not going to depend on what someone said in the forum over 3 years ago, 
since it’s unlikely to apply today.

Jim

> On Aug 27, 2014, at 1:32 PM, Espen Johansen  wrote:
> 
> For completeness sake.
> Just to clarify. You can get SDHC cards that are SLC based. Pretty much 
> everything called industrial grade SD/SDHC will be a SLC SSD in SD format.
> 
> Understood. Thank you for the clarification. 
> 
> Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page? It 
> only says you can boot via SD through USB. 
> 
> --
> Ryan Coleman
> ryanjc...@me.com 
> m. 651.373.5015 
> o. 612.568.2749 
> 
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson  > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or 
>> from the m-SATA.
>> 
>> All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like 
>> device).
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be 
>>> booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few quotes 
>>> I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead. 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson >> > wrote:
>>> 
 
 The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a 
 “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
 then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
 
 It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not 
 going to be used.
 
 Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).
 
 Jim
 
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman  > wrote:
> 
> Why not answer the question?
> 
> 
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson  > wrote:
> 
>> Ryan,
>> 
>> Don't troll. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
>>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your 
 advice in mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
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 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes 
 in a normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
 acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 
 10 times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
  
 Just my 2 cents.
  
  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

[Espen Johansen]

For completeness sake.
Just to clarify. You can get SDHC cards that are SLC based. Pretty much
everything called industrial grade SD/SDHC will be a SLC SSD in SD format.
Understood. Thank you for the clarification.

Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page? It
only says you can boot via SD through USB.

--
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ryanjc...@me.com
m. 651.373.5015
o. 612.568.2749

On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson  wrote:


Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or
from the m-SATA.

All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like
device).

Jim

On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:

I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be
booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few quotes
I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead.

On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson  wrote:


The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a
“base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.

It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not going
to be used.

Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).

Jim

On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:

Why not answer the question?


On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson  wrote:

Ryan,

Don't troll.



On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:

Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?

On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn 
wrote:

Thank you Espen,

Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your advice
in mind.

Best regards*,*
*Sergii Cherkashyn*


Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
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I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in a
normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For
acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10
times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.

Just my 2 cents.


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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

[Espen Johansen]

Maybe just write (hardwired to USB6)?
27. aug. 2014 20:01 skrev "Jim Thompson"  følgende:

> Ryan,
>
> I’m not sure what you’re asking.
>
> This thread started off with Sergii Cherkashyn asking if running on an SSD
> was advisable.
>
> Obviously, it works, or we wouldn’t offer it. (The thread Sergii
> pointed-to is from early 2011.  Netgate did not ship SSDs for several
> years because the reliability *then* was so poor.  The situation changed,
> and, once quality SSDs were available (*with power-fail capacitors, etc.*),
> we began offering same.
>
> Then you jumped in asking (is) “SDHC slot on this board is simply for
> show?”
>
> I honestly though you were trolling.   Since there is a configuration of
> the APU units available for sale both at the Netgate store *and* the
> pfSense store (http://store.pfsense.org) that does not include a m-sata
> drive, how else could the system boot pfSense?
>
> Now you post on a public list, (a list about pfSense), asking me to change
> an unspecified page on (I assume), the Netgate site.
>
> Setting aside the whole issue of why we’re talking about this on-list, I
> can’t find the text that confused you.
>
> Here is what I found on the Netgate site:
>
> http://store.netgate.com/APU1C4.aspx says: "Boot from SD card (connected
> through USB), external USB or m-SATA SSD.”
> http://store.netgate.com/APU1C.aspx says: "Boot from SD card (connected
> through USB), external USB or m-SATA SSD."
>
> You may wish to note that this language exactly matches that found on the
> PC Engines site:
> "Boot from SD card (connected through USB), external USB or m-SATA
> SSD.”
>
> ref: http://pcengines.ch/apu.htm, and http://pcengines.ch/apu1c.htm,
>
> and page 9 of the schematic for the APU (
> http://pcengines.ch/schema/apu1c.pdf) clearly shows that the “SD card
> interface” runs through a Alcore Micro AU6465 (
> http://www.alcormicro.com/en_content/c_product/product_01b.php?CategoryID=7&IndexID=19)
> to USB6 on the AMD T40 SoC.
>
> If you will be so kind as to make a specific request for change of the
> language you found confusing, I’ll take a look at it.
> You might even send such a request to me in-private, so as not to further
> clutter the list.
>
> Right now, I can’t find a problem.
>
> JIm
>
>
> > On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> >
> > Understood. Thank you for the clarification.
> >
> > Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page?
> It only says you can boot via SD through USB.
> >
> > --
> > Ryan Coleman
> > ryanjc...@me.com
> > m. 651.373.5015
> > o. 612.568.2749
> >
> > On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB,
> or from the m-SATA.
> >>
> >> All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like
> device).
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can
> be booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few
> quotes I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead.
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson  wrote:
> >>>
> 
>  The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot
> is a “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
>  then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
> 
>  It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not
> going to be used.
> 
>  Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one
> without).
> 
>  Jim
> 
> > On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> >
> > Why not answer the question?
> >
> >
> > On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson  wrote:
> >
> >> Ryan,
> >>
> >> Don't troll.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn <
> ser...@accurategroup.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Thank you Espen,
> 
>  Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
>  On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep
> your advice in mind.
> 
>  Best regards,
>  Sergii Cherkashyn
> 
> 
>  Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
>  From: Espen Johansen 
>  To: pfSense support and discussion 
>  Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
>  Message-ID:
>  <
> caadq7-adzhlsv1p6rl7kwaaomaws1uqcet6fxa5ngdn8sl5...@mail.gmail.com>
>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
>  I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many
> writes in a normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine.
> For acceleration and 3-6 persons it

Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

[Espen Johansen]

If I may...
I think Ryan is confused about the usb part. The SD slot is a onboard slot
but its not connnected/wired to IDE/SATA bus, but rather it is connected to
the USB bus just as a external usb card reader would be,  but offcource its
onboard and hardwired. Thus the confusion I assume.
27. aug. 2014 20:01 skrev "Jim Thompson"  følgende:

> Ryan,
>
> I’m not sure what you’re asking.
>
> This thread started off with Sergii Cherkashyn asking if running on an SSD
> was advisable.
>
> Obviously, it works, or we wouldn’t offer it. (The thread Sergii
> pointed-to is from early 2011.  Netgate did not ship SSDs for several
> years because the reliability *then* was so poor.  The situation changed,
> and, once quality SSDs were available (*with power-fail capacitors, etc.*),
> we began offering same.
>
> Then you jumped in asking (is) “SDHC slot on this board is simply for
> show?”
>
> I honestly though you were trolling.   Since there is a configuration of
> the APU units available for sale both at the Netgate store *and* the
> pfSense store (http://store.pfsense.org) that does not include a m-sata
> drive, how else could the system boot pfSense?
>
> Now you post on a public list, (a list about pfSense), asking me to change
> an unspecified page on (I assume), the Netgate site.
>
> Setting aside the whole issue of why we’re talking about this on-list, I
> can’t find the text that confused you.
>
> Here is what I found on the Netgate site:
>
> http://store.netgate.com/APU1C4.aspx says: "Boot from SD card (connected
> through USB), external USB or m-SATA SSD.”
> http://store.netgate.com/APU1C.aspx says: "Boot from SD card (connected
> through USB), external USB or m-SATA SSD."
>
> You may wish to note that this language exactly matches that found on the
> PC Engines site:
> "Boot from SD card (connected through USB), external USB or m-SATA
> SSD.”
>
> ref: http://pcengines.ch/apu.htm, and http://pcengines.ch/apu1c.htm,
>
> and page 9 of the schematic for the APU (
> http://pcengines.ch/schema/apu1c.pdf) clearly shows that the “SD card
> interface” runs through a Alcore Micro AU6465 (
> http://www.alcormicro.com/en_content/c_product/product_01b.php?CategoryID=7&IndexID=19)
> to USB6 on the AMD T40 SoC.
>
> If you will be so kind as to make a specific request for change of the
> language you found confusing, I’ll take a look at it.
> You might even send such a request to me in-private, so as not to further
> clutter the list.
>
> Right now, I can’t find a problem.
>
> JIm
>
>
> > On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> >
> > Understood. Thank you for the clarification.
> >
> > Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page?
> It only says you can boot via SD through USB.
> >
> > --
> > Ryan Coleman
> > ryanjc...@me.com
> > m. 651.373.5015
> > o. 612.568.2749
> >
> > On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB,
> or from the m-SATA.
> >>
> >> All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like
> device).
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can
> be booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few
> quotes I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead.
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson  wrote:
> >>>
> 
>  The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot
> is a “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
>  then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
> 
>  It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not
> going to be used.
> 
>  Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one
> without).
> 
>  Jim
> 
> > On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> >
> > Why not answer the question?
> >
> >
> > On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson  wrote:
> >
> >> Ryan,
> >>
> >> Don't troll.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn <
> ser...@accurategroup.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Thank you Espen,
> 
>  Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
>  On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep
> your advice in mind.
> 
>  Best regards,
>  Sergii Cherkashyn
> 
> 
>  Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
>  From: Espen Johansen 
>  To: pfSense support and discussion 
>  Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
>  Message-ID:
>  <
> caadq7-adzhlsv1p6rl7kwaaomaws1uqcet6fxa5ngdn8sl5...@mail.gmail.co

Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

[Jim Thompson]

Ryan,

I’m not sure what you’re asking.

This thread started off with Sergii Cherkashyn asking if running on an SSD was 
advisable.

Obviously, it works, or we wouldn’t offer it. (The thread Sergii pointed-to is 
from early 2011.  Netgate did not ship SSDs for several
years because the reliability *then* was so poor.  The situation changed, and, 
once quality SSDs were available (*with power-fail capacitors, etc.*),
we began offering same.

Then you jumped in asking (is) “SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?”

I honestly though you were trolling.   Since there is a configuration of the 
APU units available for sale both at the Netgate store *and* the pfSense store 
(http://store.pfsense.org) that does not include a m-sata drive, how else could 
the system boot pfSense?

Now you post on a public list, (a list about pfSense), asking me to change an 
unspecified page on (I assume), the Netgate site.

Setting aside the whole issue of why we’re talking about this on-list, I can’t 
find the text that confused you.

Here is what I found on the Netgate site:

http://store.netgate.com/APU1C4.aspx says: "Boot from SD card (connected 
through USB), external USB or m-SATA SSD.”
http://store.netgate.com/APU1C.aspx says: "Boot from SD card (connected through 
USB), external USB or m-SATA SSD."

You may wish to note that this language exactly matches that found on the PC 
Engines site: 
"Boot from SD card (connected through USB), external USB or m-SATA 
SSD.”

ref: http://pcengines.ch/apu.htm, and http://pcengines.ch/apu1c.htm, 

and page 9 of the schematic for the APU (http://pcengines.ch/schema/apu1c.pdf) 
clearly shows that the “SD card interface” runs through a Alcore Micro AU6465 
(http://www.alcormicro.com/en_content/c_product/product_01b.php?CategoryID=7&IndexID=19)
 to USB6 on the AMD T40 SoC.

If you will be so kind as to make a specific request for change of the language 
you found confusing, I’ll take a look at it. 
You might even send such a request to me in-private, so as not to further 
clutter the list.

Right now, I can’t find a problem.

JIm


> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> 
> Understood. Thank you for the clarification. 
> 
> Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page? It 
> only says you can boot via SD through USB. 
> 
> --
> Ryan Coleman
> ryanjc...@me.com
> m. 651.373.5015
> o. 612.568.2749
> 
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or 
>> from the m-SATA.
>> 
>> All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like 
>> device).
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be 
>>> booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few quotes 
>>> I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead. 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson  wrote:
>>> 
 
 The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a 
 “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
 then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
 
 It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not 
 going to be used.
 
 Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).
 
 Jim
 
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> 
> Why not answer the question?
> 
> 
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson  wrote:
> 
>> Ryan,
>> 
>> Don't troll. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
>> 
>>> Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
>>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your 
 advice in mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
 From: Espen Johansen 
 To: pfSense support and discussion 
 Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
 Message-ID:
 
 
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
  
 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes 
 in a normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
 acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 
 10 times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
  
 Just my 2 cents.
  
  
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Re: [pfSense] webConfigurator authentication error

[Morten Christensen]

Den 27-08-2014 16:03, Gerald Waugh skrev:

password pfsense


got it sense not sence
the stress level at here is high today  =:}

Thanks.


On 08/27/2014 08:11 AM, Morten Christensen wrote:

I try to setup pfSence for the first time.

It is running on a XenServer 6.2, but I don't suspect that to be the
problem.

I have never succeeded to log in to the web interface. Every time I
try with username admin and password pfsence, there a message like
this on the console:
Message from syslogd@pfSence at Aug 27 12:26:56 ...
pfSence php: /index.php: webConfigurator authentification error for
'admin' from 172.17.1.110

I have tried with 2 installs og 2.1.4 and one of 2.2 and reset
webConfiguratoor password several times.

 From console I can go to Shell and change password for root and admin
and after that log in with ssh. But that is not giving med GUI-access.

Any help ?

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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

[Jim Thompson]

That's how the SD card is connected. 

-- Jim

> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:26, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> 
> Understood. Thank you for the clarification. 
> 
> Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page? It 
> only says you can boot via SD through USB. 
> 
> --
> Ryan Coleman
> ryanjc...@me.com
> m. 651.373.5015
> o. 612.568.2749
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or 
>> from the m-SATA.
>> 
>> All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like 
>> device).
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be 
>>> booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few quotes 
>>> I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead. 
>>> 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson  wrote:
 
 
 The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a 
 “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
 then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
 
 It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not 
 going to be used.
 
 Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).
 
 Jim
 
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> 
> Why not answer the question?
> 
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson  wrote:
>> 
>> Ryan,
>> 
>> Don't troll. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
>>> 
 On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn 
  wrote:
 
 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your 
 advice in mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
 From: Espen Johansen 
 To: pfSense support and discussion 
 Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
 Message-ID:
 
 
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
  
 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes 
 in a normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
 acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 
 10 times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
  
 Just my 2 cents.
  
  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

[Ryan Coleman]

Understood. Thank you for the clarification. 

Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page? It only 
says you can boot via SD through USB. 

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> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or 
> from the m-SATA.
> 
> All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like 
> device).
> 
> Jim
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
>> 
>> I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be 
>> booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few quotes I 
>> have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead. 
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a 
>>> “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
>>> then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
>>> 
>>> It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not going 
>>> to be used.
>>> 
>>> Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
 
 Why not answer the question?
 
 
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Ryan,
> 
> Don't troll. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
>> 
>> Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Espen,
>>>  
>>> Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
>>> On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your 
>>> advice in mind.
>>>  
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sergii Cherkashyn
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
>>> From: Espen Johansen 
>>> To: pfSense support and discussion 
>>> Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
>>> Message-ID:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>  
>>> I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in 
>>> a normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
>>> acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
>>> Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10 
>>> times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
>>>  
>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

[Jim Thompson]

Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or from 
the m-SATA.

All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like device).

Jim

> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> 
> I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be 
> booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few quotes I 
> have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead. 
> 
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson  > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a 
>> “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
>> then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
>> 
>> It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not going 
>> to be used.
>> 
>> Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why not answer the question?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Ryan,
 
 Don't troll. 
 
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman >>> > wrote:
 
> Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
> 
> On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn  > wrote:
> 
>> Thank you Espen,
>>  
>> Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
>> On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your 
>> advice in mind.
>>  
>> Best regards,
>> Sergii Cherkashyn
>>  
>> 
>> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
>> From: Espen Johansen mailto:pfse...@gmail.com>>
>> To: pfSense support and discussion > >
>> Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
>> Message-ID:
>> 
>> > >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>  
>> I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in 
>> a normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
>> acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
>> Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10 
>> times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
>>  
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

[Ryan Coleman]

I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be 
booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few quotes I 
have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead. 

> On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson  wrote:
> 
> 
> The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a 
> “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
> then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
> 
> It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not going 
> to be used.
> 
> Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).
> 
> Jim
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
>> 
>> Why not answer the question?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ryan,
>>> 
>>> Don't troll. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
 
 Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
 
> On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn  
> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Espen,
>  
> Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
> On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your 
> advice in mind.
>  
> Best regards,
> Sergii Cherkashyn
>  
> 
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
> From: Espen Johansen 
> To: pfSense support and discussion 
> Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
> Message-ID:
> 
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>  
> I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in a 
> normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
> acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
> Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10 
> times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
>  
> Just my 2 cents.
>  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

[Jim Thompson]

The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a “base 
feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.

It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not going to 
be used.

Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).

Jim

> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> 
> Why not answer the question?
> 
> 
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson  > wrote:
> 
>> Ryan,
>> 
>> Don't troll. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
>>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your advice 
 in mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
 From: Espen Johansen mailto:pfse...@gmail.com>>
 To: pfSense support and discussion >>> >
 Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
 Message-ID:
 
 >>> >
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
  
 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in a 
 normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
 acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10 
 times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
  
 Just my 2 cents.
  
  
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Re: [pfSense] webConfigurator authentication error

[Gerald Waugh]

password pfsense

On 08/27/2014 08:11 AM, Morten Christensen wrote:
> I try to setup pfSence for the first time.
>
> It is running on a XenServer 6.2, but I don't suspect that to be the
> problem.
>
> I have never succeeded to log in to the web interface. Every time I
> try with username admin and password pfsence, there a message like
> this on the console:
> Message from syslogd@pfSence at Aug 27 12:26:56 ...
> pfSence php: /index.php: webConfigurator authentification error for
> 'admin' from 172.17.1.110
>
> I have tried with 2 installs og 2.1.4 and one of 2.2 and reset
> webConfiguratoor password several times.
>
> From console I can go to Shell and change password for root and admin
> and after that log in with ssh. But that is not giving med GUI-access.
>
> Any help ?
>
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[pfSense] webConfigurator authentication error

[Morten Christensen]

I try to setup pfSence for the first time.

It is running on a XenServer 6.2, but I don't suspect that to be the 
problem.


I have never succeeded to log in to the web interface. Every time I try 
with username admin and password pfsence, there a message like this on 
the console:

Message from syslogd@pfSence at Aug 27 12:26:56 ...
pfSence php: /index.php: webConfigurator authentification error for 
'admin' from 172.17.1.110


I have tried with 2 installs og 2.1.4 and one of 2.2 and reset 
webConfiguratoor password several times.


From console I can go to Shell and change password for root and admin 
and after that log in with ssh. But that is not giving med GUI-access.


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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

[Ryan Coleman]

Why not answer the question?


> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Ryan,
> 
> Don't troll. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
>> 
>> Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Espen,
>>>  
>>> Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
>>> On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your advice 
>>> in mind.
>>>  
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sergii Cherkashyn
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
>>> From: Espen Johansen 
>>> To: pfSense support and discussion 
>>> Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
>>> Message-ID:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>  
>>> I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in a 
>>> normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
>>> acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
>>> Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10 
>>> times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
>>>  
>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

[Jim Thompson]

Ryan,

Don't troll. 



> On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> 
> Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Espen,
>>  
>> Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
>> On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your advice 
>> in mind.
>>  
>> Best regards,
>> Sergii Cherkashyn
>>  
>> 
>> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
>> From: Espen Johansen 
>> To: pfSense support and discussion 
>> Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
>> Message-ID:
>> 
>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>  
>> I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in a 
>> normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
>> acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
>> Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10 
>> times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
>>  
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

[Ryan Coleman]

Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?

On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn  wrote:

> Thank you Espen,
>  
> Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
> On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your advice in 
> mind.
>  
> Best regards,
> Sergii Cherkashyn
>  
> 
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
> From: Espen Johansen 
> To: pfSense support and discussion 
> Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
> Message-ID:
> 
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>  
> I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in a 
> normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
> acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
> Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10 times 
> longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
>  
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