Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Peter Collins]

On 22 May 2014 11:43, David QuayCendre  wrote:

> Yes the CPU is 64bits, I think it work to in Proxmox.
> But VMWare don't want to work on this CPU to permit to use 64bits for VM.
>
>
Yes if you want to limit yourself to using VMWare then you can't have 64bit
guests unless you have VT enabled CPU's.

My point was if you switch to using Xen's hyper visor it can support 32 &
64 bit guests without the need for VT support in the CPU.

Of course you may not fancy the learning curve and have no need for a 64bit
guest - but it's an option :)
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[David QuayCendre]

Yes the CPU is 64bits, I think it work to in Proxmox.
But VMWare don't want to work on this CPU to permit to use 64bits for VM.


2014-05-22 10:04 GMT+02:00 Peter Collins :

>
>
> On 22 May 2014 02:15, David QuayCendre  wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a 2850, with ESX you can't have VM in 64bits (CPU to old and
>> VMWare don't work on this CPU family), but ESX is in 64bits
>>
> Depending what guests you want to run, you could look at using Xen with a
> pv DomU.
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Peter Collins]

On 22 May 2014 02:15, David QuayCendre  wrote:

>
> I have a 2850, with ESX you can't have VM in 64bits (CPU to old and VMWare
> don't work on this CPU family), but ESX is in 64bits
>
Depending what guests you want to run, you could look at using Xen with a
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[David QuayCendre]

Hello,
> Are we talking fan noise? Hard drive noise?

Fan noise, the 2850 (2U box) have 600mm fans with high speed, so it is very
noisy. And at the boot the fans are in full speed it is very noisy !

Hard drive at 15k, are noisy to, but less than CPU.

I have a 2850, with ESX you can't have VM in 64bits (CPU to old and VMWare
don't work on this CPU family), but ESX is in 64bits

I have now a 2900 (4U box), fans are bigger 800mm, so they turn slower and
the 2900 is less nosily.

And you can have 64bits VM on ESX.

For the power consumption : on 2850 one CPU = 110W (if my memory is good),
so I think it is more 300W. The 2900 consume more.

I don't remember my consumption measure.

It is probably overkill for home, but not when you have, firewall, layer 7,
squid, traffic shapper, vpn for 50Mbits traffic with a lot of computers !



2014-05-20 18:00 GMT+02:00 Brian Caouette :

>  Are we talking fan noise? Hard drive noise?
>
> Also a comment was made about power. What are we talking?
>
>
> On 5/20/2014 2:59 AM, Giles Coochey wrote:
>
> On 20/05/2014 02:12, Chris Bagnall wrote:
>
> Forgive me for saying so, but that's a massive overkill for routing a
> 15Mbps connection. Granted, it'd be entirely appropriate if you were
> routing multiple gig transits in a datacentre environment where the power
> consumption might be justified, but in a home environment, you're just
> burning through electricity for the sake of it. Of course, if you're going
> to run pfSense as a VM under a hypervisor with several other VMs, then I
> take all the above back :-) Kind regards, Chris
>
> Not to mention that if I ran a PE 2850 at home there would probably be
> complaints about the noise!!! Those things *scream* in the audible sense!!!
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Jim Pingle]

On 5/20/2014 4:37 PM, Harlan Stenn wrote:
> On 5/20/14 11:01 AM, Jim Pingle wrote:
>> On 5/20/2014 1:45 PM, Brian Caouette wrote:
>>> For the price paid it can't be beat.
>> There is more than the sticker price to be considered.
>>
>> Note that these are just vague numbers that would vary by the specific
>> equipment power usage and local power costs.
>>
>> Atom, ~35W, 24h/day @ $0.05/kWh = About $15 per year.
>>
>> PE2850, ~250W, 24h/day @ $0.05/kWh = About $110 per year.
>>
>> Also have to factor in the extra cooling needed to handle the higher
>> heat output of the server, but that is more difficult to figure.
> 
> Where are you that you get electricity for .05/kWh?  Here in Oregon we
> have pretty great rates, and I think we're paying .10-.12/kWh.

It was just a random base figure for easy calculation that was in an
energy calculator site I used. Too much variance around the world to
pick any arbitrary "accurate" number since it wouldn't carry over.

Tiered pricing makes it even more difficult.

Either way, the power draw cost difference is substantial.
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Ryan Coleman]

Many states, but not Minnesota, give you retail rates on putting power back on 
the grid… in Minnesota we get producer rates (about $.03kwh instead of $.13-16 
[seasonally]).


On May 20, 2014, at 15:48, Chris Bagnall  wrote:

> On 20 May 2014, at 21:37, Harlan Stenn  wrote:
>> Where are you that you get electricity for .05/kWh?  Here in Oregon we
>> have pretty great rates, and I think we're paying .10-.12/kWh.
> 
> I don't know where the OP hails from, but here in the UK (Scotland, 
> specifically, at the moment), it's 0.16 GBP/kWh. At current exchange rate, I 
> think that's around 0.25 USD.
> 
> I suppose if you had a PV array in your garden to power it, and you were 
> using the 2850 to heat your home as well, it might be quite economical :-)
> 
> Kind regards,
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Derek Vance]

As far as architecture is concerned, AMD64 means its written 64-bit
processor. Although someone with more knowledge of the inner workings may
be able to tell you specific differences, it usually means it was compiled
on an AMD processor, but will work on (almost) any 64-bit processor. The
thing to be careful with is that the 64-bit variant of pfSense is not as
feature complete as the 32-bit, however in high traffic scenarios where you
are able to give it more memory, it can be useful.


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Brian Caouette  wrote:

> Just ordered a Poweredge 2850. It has the xeno processor. Do I install the
> Intell version or amd64?
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Chris Bagnall]

On 20 May 2014, at 21:37, Harlan Stenn  wrote:
> Where are you that you get electricity for .05/kWh?  Here in Oregon we
> have pretty great rates, and I think we're paying .10-.12/kWh.

I don't know where the OP hails from, but here in the UK (Scotland, 
specifically, at the moment), it's 0.16 GBP/kWh. At current exchange rate, I 
think that's around 0.25 USD.

I suppose if you had a PV array in your garden to power it, and you were using 
the 2850 to heat your home as well, it might be quite economical :-)

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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

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On 5/20/14 11:01 AM, Jim Pingle wrote:
> On 5/20/2014 1:45 PM, Brian Caouette wrote:
>> For the price paid it can't be beat.
> 
> There is more than the sticker price to be considered.
> 
> Note that these are just vague numbers that would vary by the specific
> equipment power usage and local power costs.
> 
> Atom, ~35W, 24h/day @ $0.05/kWh = About $15 per year.
> 
> PE2850, ~250W, 24h/day @ $0.05/kWh = About $110 per year.
> 
> Also have to factor in the extra cooling needed to handle the higher
> heat output of the server, but that is more difficult to figure.

Where are you that you get electricity for .05/kWh?  Here in Oregon we
have pretty great rates, and I think we're paying .10-.12/kWh.

And if $1 of electricity (heat) is going in to a device, you can expect
to spend another $1 to cool off (remove) that heat.  Yes, there are
times one can put a machine somewhere that it does not need to be
cooled, but if the machine is in a "living space" it's adding to the
heat transfer load.

In an increasing number of places, electricity rates are "tiered", and
one can spend a lot more per kWh between noon and 7pm (for example) than
for other times of the day.

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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Jim Thompson]

If you had purchased something more modern, (even an APU, which uses 5-10% of 
your 2850, and is completely silent) bhyve would be an option.

Which is the general direction I'm headed with pfSense for being able to run a 
media center or NAS on top. 

Refurb c1100s are < $600 on fleabay with 8 cores and 72GB ram. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261355969100 

We use these for test boxes at ESF, since we boot them off USB, I don't care 
about the "no drives". 

If you don't need the ram, an 8GB version is < $300. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261441251762 

We pulled all our 2850s and 2950s out of service. They're not worth the power 
draw (operating costs).  I think the only remaining machine from that era we 
operate is a PE1950 my son uses for a minecraft server. 

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> On May 20, 2014, at 12:45, Brian Caouette  wrote:
> 
> For the price paid it can't be beat. I've seen smaller systems go for much 
> more so figured I had room to grow. At some point I maybe be able to have to 
> virtual machines on this unit and use one for a media center or cloud backup 
> for the home business. Are their packages available for this? I don't really 
> see anything that leads me to believe pfSense could be used in the way which 
> is why I'm thinking virtual. What software is available to do virtual 
> machines?
> 
> On 5/20/2014 12:11 PM, Jason Pyeron wrote:
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Brian Caouette
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:00
>>> 
>>> Are we talking fan noise? Hard drive noise?
>>> 
>>> Also a comment was made about power. What are we talking?
>> The general comments about how a PE2850 is overkill in the described home
>> environment.
>> 
>>> On 5/20/2014 2:59 AM, Giles Coochey wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>On 20/05/2014 02:12, Chris Bagnall wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>Forgive me for saying so, but that's a massive
>>> overkill for routing a 15Mbps connection. Granted, it'd be
>>> entirely appropriate if you were routing multiple gig
>>> transits in a datacentre environment where the power
>>> consumption might be justified, but in a home environment,
>>> you're just burning through electricity for the sake of it.
>>> Of course, if you're going to run pfSense as a VM under a
>>> hypervisor with several other VMs, then I take all the above
>>> back :-) Kind regards, Chris
>>> 
>>>Not to mention that if I ran a PE 2850 at home there
>>> would probably be complaints about the noise!!! Those things
>>> *scream* in the audible sense!!!
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Chris Bagnall]

On 20 May 2014, at 18:45, Brian Caouette  wrote:
> What software is available to do virtual machines?

We use KVM.

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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Chris L]

Citrix XenServer is worth a look too.

On May 20, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:

> Same here - 4 servers around the country running it.
> 
> 
> On May 20, 2014, at 12:57, Doug Lytle  wrote:
> 
 What software is
 available to do virtual machines?
>> 
>> I'm currently using ESXi 5.10 Free version.
>> 
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Ryan Coleman]

Same here - 4 servers around the country running it.


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>>> What software is
>>> available to do virtual machines?
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> I'm currently using ESXi 5.10 Free version.
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Jim Pingle]

On 5/20/2014 1:45 PM, Brian Caouette wrote:
> For the price paid it can't be beat.

There is more than the sticker price to be considered.

Note that these are just vague numbers that would vary by the specific
equipment power usage and local power costs.

Atom, ~35W, 24h/day @ $0.05/kWh = About $15 per year.

PE2850, ~250W, 24h/day @ $0.05/kWh = About $110 per year.

Also have to factor in the extra cooling needed to handle the higher
heat output of the server, but that is more difficult to figure.

If you are in a place where power is included in your rent, it's no big
deal, but over time that adds up considerably for most people.

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[Doug Lytle]

>> What software is
>> available to do virtual machines?

I'm currently using ESXi 5.10 Free version.

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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Brian Caouette]

For the price paid it can't be beat. I've seen smaller systems go for 
much more so figured I had room to grow. At some point I maybe be able 
to have to virtual machines on this unit and use one for a media center 
or cloud backup for the home business. Are their packages available for 
this? I don't really see anything that leads me to believe pfSense could 
be used in the way which is why I'm thinking virtual. What software is 
available to do virtual machines?


On 5/20/2014 12:11 PM, Jason Pyeron wrote:

-Original Message-
From: Brian Caouette
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:00

Are we talking fan noise? Hard drive noise?

Also a comment was made about power. What are we talking?

The general comments about how a PE2850 is overkill in the described home
environment.


On 5/20/2014 2:59 AM, Giles Coochey wrote:


On 20/05/2014 02:12, Chris Bagnall wrote:


Forgive me for saying so, but that's a massive
overkill for routing a 15Mbps connection. Granted, it'd be
entirely appropriate if you were routing multiple gig
transits in a datacentre environment where the power
consumption might be justified, but in a home environment,
you're just burning through electricity for the sake of it.
Of course, if you're going to run pfSense as a VM under a
hypervisor with several other VMs, then I take all the above
back :-) Kind regards, Chris

Not to mention that if I ran a PE 2850 at home there
would probably be complaints about the noise!!! Those things
*scream* in the audible sense!!!

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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Chris Bagnall]

I concur with Ryan's readings with the 2950s - we use them as KVM host machines 
in a datacentre environment and they average around 250W under moderate load. 
That's with 4x SSDs in each.

Also worth mentioning that pfSense will barely use a gig of disk space; the 6x 
73GB SAS units specced by the OP will be largely unused.

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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Rick Payton]

Fan noise. While I may not have a 2850, I ran 2x 2950 III's for about 4 years, 
and the fan noise is LOUD, even AFTER the initial bootup. Initial bootup, those 
things scream like jet engines on full afterburner.

Power consumption, hooked up to my kill-a-watt, idle power is around 220-250W, 
maxing out all 8 cores brought it to well over 350+ (I ran dual Xeon E5405's @ 
2.0GHz).

For pure pfsense use, your 2850 is the definition of overkill at home. Like 
Chris Bagnall stated previously, this is a moot point if you plan on running 
multiple virtual machines under your hypervisor of choice, although 4GB of ram 
is rather limiting in that regard.

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Are we talking fan noise? Hard drive noise?

Also a comment was made about power. What are we talking?

On 5/20/2014 2:59 AM, Giles Coochey wrote:
On 20/05/2014 02:12, Chris Bagnall wrote:

Forgive me for saying so, but that's a massive overkill for routing a 15Mbps 
connection. Granted, it'd be entirely appropriate if you were routing multiple 
gig transits in a datacentre environment where the power consumption might be 
justified, but in a home environment, you're just burning through electricity 
for the sake of it. Of course, if you're going to run pfSense as a VM under a 
hypervisor with several other VMs, then I take all the above back :-) Kind 
regards, Chris
Not to mention that if I ran a PE 2850 at home there would probably be 
complaints about the noise!!! Those things *scream* in the audible sense!!!





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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Jim Thompson]

On May 20, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Giles Coochey  wrote:

> On 20/05/2014 12:28, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>> On May 20, 2014, at 1:59, Giles Coochey  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> s
>>> Not to mention that if I ran a PE 2850 at home there would probably be 
>>> complaints about the noise!!! Those things *scream* in the audible sense!!!
>> 
>> Typically just on the first boot - mine always stopped screaming after about 
>> 30 seconds
>> ___
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> Even after the fan's have kicked out of their max-cooling, max-air-flow mode 
> the server is still way too loud for me in a home environment.
> 
> Fan-less atom based box for home environment any day... and easily push 
> 40Mbps IPsec.

The new ones (like the 2758 that pfSense sells) are actually *faster* than a 
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

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> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Caouette
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:00
> 
> Are we talking fan noise? Hard drive noise?
> 
> Also a comment was made about power. What are we talking?

The general comments about how a PE2850 is overkill in the described home
environment.

> 
> On 5/20/2014 2:59 AM, Giles Coochey wrote:
> 
> 
>   On 20/05/2014 02:12, Chris Bagnall wrote: 
>   
> 
>   Forgive me for saying so, but that's a massive 
> overkill for routing a 15Mbps connection. Granted, it'd be 
> entirely appropriate if you were routing multiple gig 
> transits in a datacentre environment where the power 
> consumption might be justified, but in a home environment, 
> you're just burning through electricity for the sake of it. 
> Of course, if you're going to run pfSense as a VM under a 
> hypervisor with several other VMs, then I take all the above 
> back :-) Kind regards, Chris 
> 
>   Not to mention that if I ran a PE 2850 at home there 
> would probably be complaints about the noise!!! Those things 
> *scream* in the audible sense!!! 

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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Brian Caouette]

Are we talking fan noise? Hard drive noise?

Also a comment was made about power. What are we talking?

On 5/20/2014 2:59 AM, Giles Coochey wrote:

On 20/05/2014 02:12, Chris Bagnall wrote:
Forgive me for saying so, but that's a massive overkill for routing a 
15Mbps connection. Granted, it'd be entirely appropriate if you were 
routing multiple gig transits in a datacentre environment where the 
power consumption might be justified, but in a home environment, 
you're just burning through electricity for the sake of it. Of 
course, if you're going to run pfSense as a VM under a hypervisor 
with several other VMs, then I take all the above back :-) Kind 
regards, Chris 
Not to mention that if I ran a PE 2850 at home there would probably be 
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Giles Coochey]

On 20/05/2014 12:28, Ryan Coleman wrote:

On May 20, 2014, at 1:59, Giles Coochey  wrote:



s
Not to mention that if I ran a PE 2850 at home there would probably be 
complaints about the noise!!! Those things *scream* in the audible sense!!!


Typically just on the first boot - mine always stopped screaming after about 30 
seconds
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Even after the fan's have kicked out of their max-cooling, max-air-flow 
mode the server is still way too loud for me in a home environment.


Fan-less atom based box for home environment any day... and easily push 
40Mbps IPsec.


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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Ryan Coleman]

On May 20, 2014, at 1:59, Giles Coochey  wrote:

> On 20/05/2014 02:12, Chris Bagnall wrote:
>> Forgive me for saying so, but that's a massive overkill for routing a 15Mbps 
>> connection. Granted, it'd be entirely appropriate if you were routing 
>> multiple gig transits in a datacentre environment where the power 
>> consumption might be justified, but in a home environment, you're just 
>> burning through electricity for the sake of it. Of course, if you're going 
>> to run pfSense as a VM under a hypervisor with several other VMs, then I 
>> take all the above back :-) Kind regards, Chris 
> Not to mention that if I ran a PE 2850 at home there would probably be 
> complaints about the noise!!! Those things *scream* in the audible sense!!!


Typically just on the first boot - mine always stopped screaming after about 30 
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On 20/05/2014 02:12, Chris Bagnall wrote:
Forgive me for saying so, but that's a massive overkill for routing a 
15Mbps connection. Granted, it'd be entirely appropriate if you were 
routing multiple gig transits in a datacentre environment where the 
power consumption might be justified, but in a home environment, 
you're just burning through electricity for the sake of it. Of course, 
if you're going to run pfSense as a VM under a hypervisor with several 
other VMs, then I take all the above back :-) Kind regards, Chris 
Not to mention that if I ran a PE 2850 at home there would probably be 
complaints about the noise!!! Those things *scream* in the audible sense!!!


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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Chris Bagnall]

On 20 May 2014, at 01:41, Brian Caouette  wrote:
> So this machine should scream for a home based network from the looks of it. 
> My current test machine you'll all laugh www.dlois.com/status.html is here. 
> (I kepted my old domain from when I was a dialup provider) VERY old machine 
> with limited hardware. It works well but doesn't always keep up with the 15 
> meg cable connection. pfSense impressed me enough that I wanted to use a real 
> server. The new one should arrive next week. Dell PowerEdge 2850 2 x 3.2GHz / 
> 4GB / 64 Bit / 6 x 73GB 15K
> Far cry from current P2 433 512k ram and 4 gig hd with dual 100 nics. Can't 
> wait!

Forgive me for saying so, but that's a massive overkill for routing a 15Mbps 
connection. Granted, it'd be entirely appropriate if you were routing multiple 
gig transits in a datacentre environment where the power consumption might be 
justified, but in a home environment, you're just burning through electricity 
for the sake of it.

Of course, if you're going to run pfSense as a VM under a hypervisor with 
several other VMs, then I take all the above back :-)


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[Brian Caouette]

So this machine should scream for a home based network from the looks of 
it. My current test machine you'll all laugh www.dlois.com/status.html 
is here. (I kepted my old domain from when I was a dialup provider) VERY 
old machine with limited hardware. It works well but doesn't always keep 
up with the 15 meg cable connection. pfSense impressed me enough that I 
wanted to use a real server. The new one should arrive next week. Dell 
PowerEdge 2850 2 x 3.2GHz / 4GB / 64 Bit / 6 x 73GB 15K 



Far cry from current P2 433 512k ram and 4 gig hd with dual 100 nics. 
Can't wait!


On 5/19/2014 7:06 PM, Walter Parker wrote:

The amd64 is for all 64 bit machines (amd64 and Intel EMT64)
The x86 is for all 32 bit machines (Intel and AMD)

According the spec sheet, 
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/en/2850_specs.pdf, 
that is a 64 bit machine.


Note, because AMD developed 64 for the x86 first, the BSDs call 64 bit 
mode amd64. When Intel licensed it from AMD, they called by a 
different name (something without the competitor's name in it). 
Another common name for amd64 is x86_64.


The only place where AMD vs. Intel 64 really makes a difference is in 
VM servers (such as ESXi and XenServer), where methods for visualizing 
IO are different. Most other places, 64 bit is 64 bit and really 
doesn't matter.



Walter



On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Brian Caouette > wrote:


Just ordered a Poweredge 2850. It has the xeno processor. Do I
install the Intell version or amd64?
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Walter Parker]

Yea, I forgot about Itanium. For Itanium the initials are IA-64.

There is a Tier-2 supported version of FreeBSD for that processor, but
pfSense does not ship an IA-64 version.


Walter


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:

> Itanium is the only one that’s different from AMD64. I’ve never touched an
> Itanium-driven machine.
>
>
> On May 19, 2014, at 18:06, Walter Parker  wrote:
>
> The amd64 is for all 64 bit machines (amd64 and Intel EMT64)
> The x86 is for all 32 bit machines (Intel and AMD)
>
> According the spec sheet,
> http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/en/2850_specs.pdf,
> that is a 64 bit machine.
>
> Note, because AMD developed 64 for the x86 first, the BSDs call 64 bit
> mode amd64. When Intel licensed it from AMD, they called by a different
> name (something without the competitor's name in it). Another common name
> for amd64 is x86_64.
>
> The only place where AMD vs. Intel 64 really makes a difference is in VM
> servers (such as ESXi and XenServer), where methods for visualizing IO are
> different. Most other places, 64 bit is 64 bit and really doesn't matter.
>
>
> Walter
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Brian Caouette  wrote:
>
>> Just ordered a Poweredge 2850. It has the xeno processor. Do I install
>> the Intell version or amd64?
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[Ryan Coleman]

Itanium is the only one that’s different from AMD64. I’ve never touched an 
Itanium-driven machine.


On May 19, 2014, at 18:06, Walter Parker  wrote:

> The amd64 is for all 64 bit machines (amd64 and Intel EMT64)
> The x86 is for all 32 bit machines (Intel and AMD)
> 
> According the spec sheet, 
> http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/en/2850_specs.pdf, that 
> is a 64 bit machine.
> 
> Note, because AMD developed 64 for the x86 first, the BSDs call 64 bit mode 
> amd64. When Intel licensed it from AMD, they called by a different name 
> (something without the competitor's name in it). Another common name for 
> amd64 is x86_64.
> 
> The only place where AMD vs. Intel 64 really makes a difference is in VM 
> servers (such as ESXi and XenServer), where methods for visualizing IO are 
> different. Most other places, 64 bit is 64 bit and really doesn't matter.
> 
> 
> Walter
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Brian Caouette  wrote:
> Just ordered a Poweredge 2850. It has the xeno processor. Do I install the 
> Intell version or amd64?
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Walter Parker]

The amd64 is for all 64 bit machines (amd64 and Intel EMT64)
The x86 is for all 32 bit machines (Intel and AMD)

According the spec sheet,
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/en/2850_specs.pdf, that
is a 64 bit machine.

Note, because AMD developed 64 for the x86 first, the BSDs call 64 bit mode
amd64. When Intel licensed it from AMD, they called by a different name
(something without the competitor's name in it). Another common name for
amd64 is x86_64.

The only place where AMD vs. Intel 64 really makes a difference is in VM
servers (such as ESXi and XenServer), where methods for visualizing IO are
different. Most other places, 64 bit is 64 bit and really doesn't matter.


Walter



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> Just ordered a Poweredge 2850. It has the xeno processor. Do I install the
> Intell version or amd64?
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Brian Caouette]

I think he told me it was a 64bit but wasn't sure of the Intel vs Amd.

On 5/19/2014 6:38 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:

Check the model of the Xeon processor but I believe its 64bit. Once you check 
the model if it's a 64 use the AMD version otherwise if you can't find out go 
with the intel.

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On May 19, 2014, at 17:37, Brian Caouette  wrote:

Just ordered a Poweredge 2850. It has the xeno processor. Do I install the 
Intell version or amd64?
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[Ryan Coleman]

Check the model of the Xeon processor but I believe its 64bit. Once you check 
the model if it's a 64 use the AMD version otherwise if you can't find out go 
with the intel. 

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> On May 19, 2014, at 17:37, Brian Caouette  wrote:
> 
> Just ordered a Poweredge 2850. It has the xeno processor. Do I install the 
> Intell version or amd64?
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Re: [pfSense] Poweredge 2850

[James Caldwell]

Amd64 is the 64 bit version that you would want to use on that proc.  I386 is 
32 bit.

James

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