Re: [WSG] IE 5.5 issue

2007-02-05 Thread William Mason
Actually, he has it right. Older versions of IE require that the content you want centered be 'wrapped' in a another div/block. On 2/4/07, Andrew Krespanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, text-align:center will do the trick for old IE, but from the looks of it you've added text-align:center; to

[WSG Announce] Some links for light reading (6/2/07)

2007-02-05 Thread russ - maxdesign
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Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Barney Carroll
Jermayn Parker wrote: It is not that good... Yes it may load quick but it is a useless uninformative site and apart from the home page it is ugly and bare as naked bones. Lets hope that the designer does not win any awards That's all down to inevitable site content though. The designer has

[WSG] CSS calling methods survey

2007-02-05 Thread Barney Carroll
link? style @import? Which do you use, for what, and why? Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] CSS calling methods survey

2007-02-05 Thread David Dorward
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 03:19:52PM +, Barney Carroll wrote: link? style @import? Which do you use, for what, and why? Unless you have need @import's weird support in browsers for some CSS parser hack, link - since it feels silly to have a stylesheet that contains nothing but a

Re: [WSG] CSS calling methods survey

2007-02-05 Thread Tim
I use link with relative path directories, I think it is quicker than importing a file with a full URL but I have never been sure about this. A relative URL using link should be quicker, especially when I load seven stylesheets. Good question, I bet there are better answers. Tim On

Re: [WSG] CSS calling methods survey

2007-02-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Barney Carroll wrote: link? style @import? Which do you use, for what, and why? In document: 'link' with relative path. I use 'style' for adding page-specific, and often media-dependent, styles, but do not use @import in documents. - All browsers understand 'link', and some don't

Re: [WSG] CSS calling methods survey

2007-02-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Barney Carroll wrote: link? style @import? I use style with the @import directive so I can plug document specific rules or files using the *same* element. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] IE 5.5 issue

2007-02-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
William Mason wrote: Actually, he has it right. Older versions of IE require that the content you want centered be 'wrapped' in a another div/block. I'd use text-align:center on *body* and text-align:left in the main container (no need for an extra wrapper) --- Regards, Thierry |

Re: [WSG] CSS calling methods survey

2007-02-05 Thread Tony Crockford
Barney Carroll wrote: link? style @import? Which do you use, for what, and why? here's what I do: !-- import complex style sheet hides from older browsers -- style type=text/css media=screen @import /styles/layout.css; /style !-- begin conditional

Re: [WSG] IE 5.5 issue

2007-02-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Andrew Krespanis wrote: It's been a while since I've had to include support for IE5 (and how great that feels), Before not supporting any browser, you should first ask what will it take to support it? Even if the number don't otherwise justify supporting IE5, if the fix is simple enough (and

[WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime

2007-02-05 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Hi all, I am using the code below to embed a .mov file, which is standards compliant in XHTML 1.0 Strict. Two questions please: 1. What is the best way to hide the movie from browsers that don't support quicktime (or from users who don't want to download quicktime)? 2. Is there a different

Re: [WSG] CSS calling methods survey

2007-02-05 Thread Kat
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: In document: 'link' with relative path. I use 'style' for adding page-specific, and often media-dependent, styles, but do not use @import in documents. - All browsers understand 'link', and some don't understand anything else. - I do not separate browsers on this level.

Re: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime

2007-02-05 Thread Kay Smoljak
On 2/6/07, Sarah Peeke (XERT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Is there a different file format which is more universal? Quicktime movies can be imported into Flash, which has much higher browser penetration. And there is lots of information available on embedding flash in a gracefully degradable

Re: [WSG] IE 5.5 issue

2007-02-05 Thread Ben Buchanan
It's been a while since I've had to include support for IE5 (and how great that feels), Before not supporting any browser, you should first ask what will it take to support it? Even if the number don't otherwise justify supporting IE5, if the fix is simple enough (and adding two or three

Re: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime

2007-02-05 Thread Jan Brasna
1. What is the best way to hide the movie from browsers that don't support quicktime (or from users who don't want to download quicktime)? To use an UFO/SWFObject alternative for QT, or Satay-like QT alternative w/ fallbacks. 2. Is there a different file format which is more universal?

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Jermayn Parker
Your explanation makes sense but as a designer who also dabbles in seo, would not it be your right to 'suggest' and sell the importance of descent content?? The internet is a place were you find useful or useless information. It is not primely a gallery of art like this website. also you look at

RE: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime

2007-02-05 Thread Steve Green
It may just be that our customers are not very good designers but many of the Flash-based multimedia projects we have tested have had problems with resource utilisation. Often the video will use 2 or 3 times as much CPU and memory when it is embedded in Flash compared with playing it in a media

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Jermayn Parker wrote: Your explanation makes sense but as a designer who also dabbles in seo, would not it be your right to 'suggest' and sell the importance of descent content?? The internet is a place were you find useful or useless information. It is not primely a gallery of art like this

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Jermayn Parker
Photos of what the rooms look like would be one obvious example of what would make this website a bit more credible. On 2/6/07, Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jermayn Parker wrote: Your explanation makes sense but as a designer who also dabbles in seo, would not it be your

RE: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime

2007-02-05 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Hi Steve We work for a lot of clever people and they often revert to a non-Flash solution. Thanks for your reply (and everyone else too!) - I was concerned about Flash too. Have the designers you've tested for found QuickTime to be more accessible to screen readers, generally? Otherwise,

[WSG] RSS Feed Update

2007-02-05 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hello all, Just wanted to let you know we did an Accessites reboot and our feed has changed to http://accessites.org/site/feed/ (or http://feeds.feedburner.com/accessites). All inbounds are 301 redirected so nothing's lost or needs to be changed/updated, but the feeds are worth mentioning.

Re: [WSG] CSS calling methods survey

2007-02-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Kat wrote: I'm beginning to think modular css using @imports are actually quite smart, not just for re-use reasons but also because if you do need to support really old and dodgy browsers (sometimes it happens to the best of us) you can create stylesheets for those, and then over-rule them in

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Jermayn Parker wrote: Photos of what the rooms look like would be one obvious example of what would make this website a bit more credible. Wow. Lack of room photos equates to: a useless uninformative site and apart from the home page it is ugly and bare as naked bones. :: not to mention not

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Jermayn Parker
Ok I guess your having a dig at me but I will humour you If your in the hotel business and advertising for a brand new hotel, you need to sell your business and entice people away from their current 'fav' hotels to yours. Do you think not having any photos and just a nice flashy home page will

[WSG] No. abbreviation glyph

2007-02-05 Thread Kat
I have confused myself :) If the glyph for No. (as outlined in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No.) is used, should this be in an abbreviation element to explain it? It is an abbreviation, isn't it?? What do screen-readers make of this particular glyph, if anything? Or should it be

[WSG] HR tag and Semantics

2007-02-05 Thread Andrew Ingram
I've found myself wondering just what semantic meaning the hr tag adds to a document. The typical usage is when you want to separate sections of a page. The thing is that a hN tag indicates a new section too. Another issue is that we generally seem to put them in our markup then hide them

Re: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime

2007-02-05 Thread Jan Brasna
QuickTime to be more accessible to screen readers, generally? It's generally the same - no one advised you to autostart the playback etc., so as long as the Flash could receive focus and start the playback via AT, it's okay. I am most concerned about usability/accessibility issues with

Re: [WSG] HR tag and Semantics

2007-02-05 Thread Tim
I love HRs, I use seven different stylesheets and have a different background image for each HR which is a very wide thin tiling pattern. Then you can have different HRs for each style. I also use them to ensure clear breaks on both sides. Explorer does not seem to support the background

Re: [WSG] No. abbreviation glyph

2007-02-05 Thread Ben Buchanan
If the glyph for No. (as outlined in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No.) is used, should this be in an abbreviation element to explain it? It is an abbreviation, isn't it?? What do screen-readers make of this particular glyph, if anything? Or should it be kept as No., which is quite

Re: [WSG] HR tag and Semantics

2007-02-05 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/5/07, Andrew Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found myself wondering just what semantic meaning the hr tag adds to a document. The typical usage is when you want to separate sections of a page. The thing is that a hN tag indicates a new section too. Another issue is that we generally

Re: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime

2007-02-05 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/5/07, Sarah Peeke (XERT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Is there a different file format which is more universal? Quicktime works well with IE browsers, but with other browsers it's hit and miss. All too often I have seen my browser (FF 2.0) crash as a result of a Quicktime movie. Flash

Re: [WSG] HR tag and Semantics

2007-02-05 Thread Kat
Christian Montoya wrote: On 2/5/07, Andrew Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one example would be XHTML 2 which has sections to separate parts of a page. That offers a lot more for semantics than just having hrs strewn about. What is the difference between the new section and a div ? Kat

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Jermayn Parker wrote: If your in the hotel business and advertising for a brand new hotel, you need to sell your business and entice people away from their current 'fav' hotels to yours. Do you think not having any photos and just a nice flashy home page will do that? I know for a FACT that

Re: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime

2007-02-05 Thread liorean
On 06/02/07, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quicktime works well with IE browsers, but with other browsers it's hit and miss. All too often I have seen my browser (FF 2.0) crash as a result of a Quicktime movie. Flash never crashes. Regardless of which consumes more resources (and if

Re: [WSG] HR tag and Semantics

2007-02-05 Thread liorean
On 06/02/07, Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the difference between the new section and a div ? Sections are typographical sections, divs are for adding extra structure. You can see divs as fuzzy semantically distinct content areas and sections as a textual semantical grouping.

Re: [WSG] HR tag and Semantics

2007-02-05 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/5/07, Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Montoya wrote: On 2/5/07, Andrew Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one example would be XHTML 2 which has sections to separate parts of a page. That offers a lot more for semantics than just having hrs strewn about. What is the difference

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Jermayn Parker
Well, that's nice. So, I'm curious -- the site has both a photo (jpeg) of the hotel exterior and a (Flash-embedded) image of one of the rooms, so what's the problem? So one flash embedded image and a photo of the hotel exterior is going to give you a good feel about what the hotel is all

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/6/07, Jermayn Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that's nice. So, I'm curious -- the site has both a photo (jpeg) of the hotel exterior and a (Flash-embedded) image of one of the rooms, so what's the problem? So one flash embedded image and a photo of the hotel exterior is going