Re: [WSG] Problem with Navigation in IE 6

Carolyn Diaz wrote: Thanks so much! I should have seen that right off. Isn't that also known as the Holly hack or some such thing? That's right... -- http://www.gunlaug.no ***

Re: [WSG] Rewriting site - help, please.

Andrew Maben wrote: > I'm rewriting my site in what I hope is the 'right' way - semantic, > standards-compliant, accessible. [...] > Any help with that (and any other comments) would be much appreciated: (just the index page, any deeper and you'll find PHP errors)

Re: [WSG] Layout Problem: Floating Elements with different heights breaks the flow.

Please ignore my last email the layout i sent is not valid the one Tee presented to us is the correct one. A Question: using the layout above VS. the same layout except the row divs now will clear the Row. clear:both. what do you think is the better & correct layout? a "table" like or a clearing

Re: [WSG] Please Help! Hover not working to trigger display:block in FF

Cole Kuryakin wrote: Hello All – Hi Cole > I’ve set one of the li’s as css trigger (via a class name) in order to show a drop-down menu (a UL) that has a default value of display:none. Unfortunately, nothing I try will initiate the declaration containing the display:block. You will need

Re: [WSG] Please Help! Hover not working to trigger display:block in FF

The dropdown menu's s'posed to be nested within the from which it's to drop down from - it can't be a completely separate ul. On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:08:30 +1000, Cole Kuryakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello All - I've done this successfully in one previous project, but can't for the li

Re: [WSG] Problem with Navigation in IE 6

Thanks so much! I should have seen that right off. Isn't that also known as the Holly hack or some such thing? On 2/23/07, Gunlaug Sørtun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Carolyn Diaz wrote: > http://netprojx.com/STU/facts.htm. > > The problem is the left navigation in IE 6. The sub elements or 2nd >

Re: [WSG] Problem with Navigation in IE 6

Carolyn Diaz wrote: http://netprojx.com/STU/facts.htm. The problem is the left navigation in IE 6. The sub elements or 2nd level of the navigation loses its background, sometimes the color, sometimes the image...in other words, extremely buggy behavior! Add... li {height: 1%;} ...or another

Re: [WSG] with web standards

And the link is... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOE It's been sent, anyway. Best regards; Eugenio Costa. On 2/23/07, Rolf SF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Someone just sent me this youtube link, titled "The machine is us/ing us" - it's actually a celebration of web standards in a sense,

Re: [WSG] alternative to target="_blank" in xhtml 1.1

*/"Gallagher, Robin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Users of the search engine on my intranet site wold like to have the results open in a new page. Can anyone suggest a valid method to do this in xhtml 1.1? http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200603/the_target_attribute_and_opening

Re: [WSG] alternative to target="_blank" in xhtml 1.1

Hi Robin, Another way to open a new window is http://www.anotherlink.com"; onclick="window.open(this); return false;" title="Sample Link"> Let me know if this works. Minh Tran "Gallagher, Robin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: sec: u alternative to target="_blank" in xhtml 1.1 Users

Re: [WSG] Internationalization for hindi (data getting corrupted while sendng from jsp to action)

On 23 Feb 2007, at 06:55:01, Nisha Kumari wrote: Hi I have done all following changes in my jsp page. I am using struts and even have saved my Hindi text in a application recourse file and have save that file in a UTF-8 encoding format. I can see in browser the encoding is getting set to UT

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

On 2/22/07, Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, my (genuine) question is, is this really so wrong? So long as it's kept really simple, which way is easier to read in a screen reader? (Include the floated and hacked to death standards version as a third alternative too). It seems to me that

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

Martin Heiden wrote: Bob, on Friday, February 23, 2007 at 12:19 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: content different content This can then be CSS'd of course, in the normal way. The important point though, is that the number of cells in a grid should be restricted to an

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

Rimantas Liubertas wrote: One of the (many) things I wish for is a tag. Something along the lines of the following (made up as I go along, so don't nitpick too much :-)): content different content This can then be CSS'd of course, in the normal way. <...> (I can dream, ca

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

One of the (many) things I wish for is a tag. Something along the lines of the following (made up as I go along, so don't nitpick too much :-)): content different content This can then be CSS'd of course, in the normal way. <...> (I can dream, can't I? :-)) http://www.w

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

Bob, on Friday, February 23, 2007 at 12:19 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: > > content > different content > > This can then be CSS'd of course, in the normal way. > The important point though, is that the number of cells in a grid should > be restricted to an agreed number

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

Barney Carroll wrote: But at the end of the day, {display: table} is just as ridiculous as div{display:inline} or span{display:block}. Besides, when I made table-based designs I often found myself nesting tables within tables, and I ended up with horribly deep code (a bit like Google ads, on

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

TuteC wrote: and a screen reader can read the contents. Eugenio, screen readers have no problem with tables. What you are talking about is a myth. Bob, remember that tables have all sorts of properties that are not down to style. For instance, there is the artificial (in that it isn't neste

Re: [WSG] Layout Problem: Floating Elements with different heights breaks the flow.

Ive uploaded a page describing my approach to "table" list design: http://www.webcssdesign.34sp.com/me/aTableLikeList.htm i think a List would be a much more semantic way to describe this kind of layout UL{ list-style:none; margin:0; padding:0; display:table; width:80% } DIV{ d

Re: [WSG] alternative to target="_blank" in xhtml 1.1

Gallagher, Robin wrote: > Users of the search engine on my intranet site wold like to have the > results open in a new page. Can anyone suggest a valid method to do > this in xhtml 1.1? This solution requires no extra markup: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/popup_window_with_no_extra_markup.asp

Re: [WSG] Layout Problem: Floating Elements with different heights breaks the flow.

what do you think suppose to be in tables? does a list represent better a list of cloths and there details, ordered in a gallery layout? does a table represent a tabular data. what is that exactly? only numbers or maybe also cloths and there details? On 2/23/07, Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [WSG] Layout Problem: Floating Elements with different heights breaks the flow.

On 2/23/07, Shlomi Asaf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks a Lot Tee what i don't understand is- you create a table layout, so why not using a Table if u already has the structure, and even a little more expensive then table- you have another element- the clearing one. Because using the table wo

Re: [WSG] Layout Problem: Floating Elements with different heights breaks the flow.

Thanks a Lot Tee what i don't understand is- you create a table layout, so why not using a Table if u already has the structure, and even a little more expensive then table- you have another element- the clearing one. On 2/22/07, Tee G. Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 21, 2007, at 3:29

Re: [WSG] alternative to target="_blank" in xhtml 1.1

On Friday 23 February 2007 17:35, Tim wrote: > Easy. Tell them to "Right click" the search button and open results in > a new window. > Anything else will fail to validate as a strict doctype and be less > accessible. > > Tim > ] > > On 23/02/2007, at 5:09 PM, Gallagher, Robin wrote: > > Users of t

RE: [WSG] Internationalization for hindi (data getting corrupted while sendng from jsp to action)

in Hindi. What could be the reason? Regards, Nisha. -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lachlan Hunt Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:11 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Internationalization for hindi (da

Re: [WSG] alternative to target="_blank" in xhtml 1.1

On 2/23/07, Gallagher, Robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Users of the search engine on my intranet site wold like to have the results open in a new page. Can anyone suggest a valid method to do this in xhtml 1.1? Hi Robin, Roger Johansson has a pretty good (and easy to implement) script: http:/

Re: [WSG] alternative to target="_blank" in xhtml 1.1

Easy. Tell them to "Right click" the search button and open results in a new window. Anything else will fail to validate as a strict doctype and be less accessible. Tim ] On 23/02/2007, at 5:09 PM, Gallagher, Robin wrote: Users of the search engine on my intranet site wold like to have the re

Re: [WSG] IE footer problem at low resolution

Check out footerStickAlt from the man in blue - http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/08/29/ Your css looks similar - you might read through his write-up and see if there are some clues. I notice that he uses position: relative for the footer, which you don't, and that might keep

Re: [WSG] IE footer problem at low resolution

* html, body { height: 100%;} * html #container {height: 1%;} The first one is wrong because there's a comma in there and you're applying a rule that you already have on the body and the second one isn't needed because you've already applied a height to #container. Thanks for that John - I ca

Re: [WSG] IE footer problem at low resolution

Lynn, Check out footerStickAlt from the man in blue - http:// www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/08/29/ Your css looks similar - you might read through his write-up and see if there are some clues. I notice that he uses position: relative for the footer, which you don't, and that

Re: [WSG] IE footer problem at low resolution

Looks OK at my end. The two other things I'd remove would be: * html, body { height: 100%;} * html #container {height: 1%;} The first one is wrong because there's a comma in there and you're applying a rule that you already have on the body and the second one isn't needed because you've alre

Re: [WSG] IE footer problem at low resolution

It's margin-bottom: -40px on #container which is causing the problem. If it's there to make the footer stick to the bottom, you might want to look at a different implementation. Thanks John but having removed it, the problem remains. http://www.westernwebdesign.com.au/test/newindex.html

Re: [WSG] IE footer problem at low resolution

It's margin-bottom: -40px on #container which is causing the problem. If it's there to make the footer stick to the bottom, you might want to look at a different implementation. On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:36:47 +1000, Lyn Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Good morning http://www.westernw

Re: [WSG] Internationalization for hindi (data getting corrupted while sendng from jsp to action)

On Feb 22, 2007, at 4:53 AM, Nisha Kumari wrote: I am trying to implement internationalization for my site. But when I am trying to enter some Hindi text in a text box (struts html:text) the value I m getting in my action is not expected one. Getting some corrupted value rather than Hindi entered

RE: [WSG] layout - choices?

have time to look them up but I'll let you know if I remember any. I'll certainly shout the next time someone does it! Steve -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barney Carroll Sent: 22 February 2007 16:24 To: wsg@

Re: [WSG] Internationalization for hindi (data getting corrupted while sendng from jsp to action)

On Feb 22, 2007, at 4:53 AM, Nisha Kumari wrote: Hi All. I am trying to implement internationalization for my site. But when I am trying to enter some Hindi text in a text box (struts html:text) the value I m getting in my action is not expected one. Getting some corrupted value rather than

Re: [WSG] Is a span valid within a caption?

Thanks Paul, and Eugenio I did validate the code (no errors). I'm just checking to see if there's something I missed, trying to understand why Visual Studio would report an error. On Feb 22, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Rolf SF wrote: I can't seem to find a definitive answ

Re: [WSG] Is a span valid within a caption?

Rolf SF wrote: I can't seem to find a definitive answer on whether it's valid to include a span within a caption in a table. A colleague mentioned that Visual Studio has thrown a warning: Element 'span' cannot be nested within element 'caption' According to the HTML 4.01 DTD, caption can conta

Re: [WSG] Is a span valid within a caption?

Caption and span are inline elements, I don't see any problems in merging them. Checked an example code at W3C HTML validator, and it validated ok. Best regards; Eugenio Costa. On 2/22/07, Rolf SF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can't seem to find a definitive answer on whether it's valid to includ

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

Designer wrote: However, this is like saying "I don't use tables, but I wish I could, so I'm going to do the next best thing and make some divs behave like a table with cells" - Isn't it? No, it is like saying "This isn't tabular data, but I want a tabular layout, so my markup is not going

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

I think it is a solution for preventing the use of layout tables. I wish I could use it, so a modern browser can see a nicely organized site, a palm a linearized site, and a screen reader can read the contents. A sort of way to device independency. Regards; Eugenio Costa. On 2/22/07, Designer <[E

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

Thanks to all who responded. I must say that I basically agree with most of what was said, but a few things still bother me, semantic-wise. Firstly, doing it 'properly' could be seen as using the following: #grid {display : table; } #colalpha { width : 28em; display : table-cel

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

Steve Green wrote: "Could you elaborate on the misuse of s?" I can't remember any specific instances but over the last year on this list there have been numerous discussions where people were trying to shoehorn tabular data into definition lists when they clearly should have been using tables. N

RE: [WSG] re: please help me make this design work some way in firefox an ie

Hi, It appears you are missing a closing quote: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of varun krishnan Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:12 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] re: please help me make this design work some way in firefox an ie Hi Guys, I am working on this design h

RE: [WSG] layout - choices?

roll Sent: 22 February 2007 16:24 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] layout - choices? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I would disagree with the statement "It is all semantics, and will be > seen by most designers as fundamentally incorrect and misleading". I >

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:48:21 -, Barney Carroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David Dorward wrote: Every cell in a row represents a day in a week. Every cell in a column represents the same day of the week. Looks tabular to me. Isn't the first precept of semantic markup that looks are no g

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

I think it depends how you'll lay it out. If you're thinking about those ugly looking calendars on a blog's side column, or a funkier 2.oh calendar webapp, then yes. It's gonna be tabular. If you're going to lay out a list item per month or week as one long scrolly page, with every day on

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

David Dorward wrote: Every cell in a row represents a day in a week. Every cell in a column represents the same day of the week. Looks tabular to me. Isn't the first precept of semantic markup that looks are no guide as to what things actually are? Regards, Barney ***

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

Andrew Maben wrote: Perhaps you could chip in on a debate I'm having with myself: Is a calendar tabular data? Andrew Not in the truest sense. A calendar relies on one axis alone - time. By putting it into a table, you are artificially constraining its info on false premises. For instance,

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

Hello Andrew, I think a calendar could be a tabular data or not. You can make a calendar without a table at all. Semantics is all about this, discussion what is right or wrong (it leads you to anywhere but hey, we're humand and this is what we do, we arguee and discuss all the time). I mean, i

Re: [WSG] Rewriting site - help, please.

Hello Andrew, There's a free tool to show you how you site will look in different browsers and plataforms: http://browsershots.org/ Take a time and submit you URL in there. About your design, I like it, it's light, clean but the code it's kind of full of redundancies... For instance: home ser

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:25:42 -, Andrew Maben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Perhaps you could chip in on a debate I'm having with myself: Is a calendar tabular data? Every cell in a row represents a day in a week. Every cell in a column represents the same day of the week. Looks tabular to

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

On Feb 22, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: It's similar to the fad from a couple of years ago for marking up calendars using floated s (or, possibly, s). Perhaps you could chip in on a debate I'm having with myself: Is a calendar tabular data? Andrew 109B SE 4th Av Gainesville F

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would disagree with the statement "It is all semantics, and will be seen by most designers as fundamentally incorrect and misleading". I suspect the actual figure would be nearer 0.1% of designers, although most on this list would likely agree with the statement. Steve

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

On 22 Feb 2007, at 12:07:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A far bigger problem in my opinion is this recent fad for placing tabular data in definition lists. Where did that come from? The result really is incomprehensible because even the best screen readers can make little sense of the resultin

Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please

On Feb 21, 2007, at 2:28 AM, David Dorward wrote: Invisible text is hard to read against any background colour, and you can't depend on images being loaded. This thread started because of issues with alt text on image maps not showing up when images weren't there. ... that will teach me

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

Designer wrote: It seems to me that pragmatism can sometimes outbenefit the religion of standards - and I'd really like some real world feedback on when such a table approach causes real problems. (Yes, I know it's not truly semantic, and I agree that it's a problem because of that). If web

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

Barney is right about screen readers and tables. The behaviour varies insofar as some screen readers (such as Fire Vox) announce the presence of all the tables, some don't announce them at all and some (such as JAWS) announce some tables and not others. I am not sure how it decides which it does an

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

Bob, As long as you have an audio-only disclaimer just before stating "The following object does not contain tabular data". Otherwise screen readers (supposedly) and standardist developers browsing your site in view-source mode (as one does) will get halfway through the content of your first

Re: [WSG] Layout Problem: Floating Elements with different heights breaks the flow.

On Feb 21, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Shlomi Asaf wrote: thanks alot Christian for your answer, u given me data that i wasent aware about. What you (and everyone else) need is display:table and display:table-cell, but unfortunately these features are just not supported in enough browsers yet. Well

Re: [WSG] Article: creating drop cap on the fly

Kevin McMonagle wrote: >> I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: >> http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/the_perfect_drop_cap.asp > Looks good, if you decrease the font size by one or two than the drop > cap indent goes way in. > Is there a way to fix that. This is just

Re: [WSG] Layout Problem: Floating Elements with different heights breaks the flow.

thanks alot Christian for your answer, u given me data that i wasent aware about. secondly, you should consider using DIV as a Clearing Element. a BR is a semantic element. if youl try to reuse your layout again (or part of him that includes the BR element), and you'll no longer need a clearing e

RE: [WSG] trying to justify webstandards

>I agree entirely with Rachel, web standards are (or should be) independent >of server-side technology. It's the HTML/CSS that gets outputted to the >browser that matters, regardless of what creates that output. I agree too. It's a puzzling attitude. I've seen people speak about web standards be

Re: [WSG] Layout Problem: Floating Elements with different heights breaks the flow.

On 2/21/07, Shlomi Asaf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi i have a "table" like layout. here is a live example: http://www.webcssdesign.34sp.com/me/floatingDivs.htm all the floating divs has the same height. i haven't written the height in the css- the content is the same. all the titles are one lin

Re: ADMIN THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Check server logs for fraud and site duplication!

Discussing off list (you're welcome). Thread still closed Lea de Groot -- WSG Core Member On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:56:36 +1100, Tim wrote: > > Moderator, my W3C standards have been trashed by another site, this > is why we are all here, can standards be taken away with no recourse > and no disc

Re: ADMIN THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Check server logs for fraud and site duplication!

Please Lea, Moderator, my W3C standards have been trashed by another site, this is why we are all here, can standards be taken away with no recourse and no discussion allowed. This is the web standards group, anyway we can uphold standards is relevant material. Please moderator it is on topi

Re: [WSG] Check server logs for fraud and site duplication!

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:47:28 -, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Keeping it relevant to standards but only on Linux servers, I hope is OK for this one. In your htacces file put Apache /does/ run on platforms other than Linux (including Windows). -- David Dorward

Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please

I work so hard to have all pages validated XHTML 1.0 Strict and AAA accessible. Thanks for that 210 validation errors. Really gross. Any of my real pages validate, I feel so cheated apart for the loss of income, the defacement of W3C standards I try to hold high. My beloved authors would be

Re: [WSG] Check server logs for fraud and site duplication!

I almost put One Windoze group member to sleep last time I mentioned this. Sorry Keeping it relevant to standards but only on Linux servers, I hope is OK for this one. Make an ugly image graphic of text stolen from yourdomain.com, red and white looks dramatic. Save it as file extension jpe or

ADMIN THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Check server logs for fraud and site duplication!

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:01:13 +1100, Tim wrote: > If there were a legal standards group I would post this there, but I > believe this of concern to all members that their work is not stolen > and that legal standards are relevant to compliance with W3C > standards as with Disability Discriminati

Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please

only a few validation issues... Failed validation, 210 errors in the new site with 191 in the old one On 2/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello list, I am in a desperate state. I am working for a .com.au and they are struggling with some of the more forward-thinking

Re: [WSG] Check server logs for fraud and site duplication!

Hi Tim, Shocking thing to do by these people. Just out of interest how can I put the 'Stolen from' graphic on my site just incase it happens to me.? Cheers Al On 2/21/07, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Members, If there were a legal standards group I would post this there, bu

Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please

Charles Eaton wrote: I doubt that http://dorward.me.uk/tmp/fake-image-map.png is the effect you are after. background-image: url(callforentries.gif); color:transparent; Invisible text is hard to read against any background colour, and you can't

Re: [WSG] (Georg) equal heights within equal heigh wraper

On Feb 20, 2007, at 4:12 AM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Georg, - #left is an independent container, so it will, and should, only affect height of its parent - #wrap. - #right is on its own, and will not be affected by, or have an effect on, #left. - #right - and all containers inside #right - w

Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please

On Feb 20, 2007, at 10:47 AM, David Dorward wrote: a better setup (IMHO), is to use a "definition list", drop your image in the background of the , giving it the image size, use and 3 's in a two row setup to overlay the image. add text [no display] and links, ... your in business. Suf

Re: [WSG] Float Hell, or...?

It's pretty obvious that you are coding for IE first, then checking firefoxthat never works. Get it right in firefox first, them make an "IE only" stylesheet with the box model fixes. *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design & Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sites

Re: [WSG] Float Hell, or...?

Is this spam? On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:18:31 +1000, Lisa Benham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pretty plase, see: http://tinyurl.com/2gd54w and the css... http://tinyurl.com/ynwq9d

Re: [WSG] hr won't turn black

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a comparison, try removing all of your P tags, and see if the white space they give you is purely presentational! Paragraph elements only give white space because they are told to by CSS. Instead of paragraphs, I could use almost any other element (depending on the p

Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:36:18 -, Charles Eaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the standards use of the and tags (like I'm doing here on the 2007 image of the left column: W3C says: "try to avoid server-side image maps" [xhtml] If it is usi

Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please

W3C says: "try to avoid server-side image maps" [xhtml] a better setup (IMHO), is to use a "definition list", drop your image in the background of the , giving it the image size, use and 3 's in a two row setup to overlay the image. add text [no display] and links, ... your in business. -chuck =

Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:32:15 -, Patrick Bruno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the standards use of the and tags (like I'm doing here on the 2007 image of the left column: http://www.heliosdg.com/mgcaf/)? I did some testing by turning images o

RE: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please

I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the standards use of the and tags (like I'm doing here on the 2007 image of the left column: http://www.heliosdg.com/mgcaf/)? I did some testing by turning images off in IE7 and Firefox but the alt tag data doesn't appear. Does that mean screen reader

Re: [WSG] Opera 9.10 Margin

However I already have a background image on the elements (the vertical pipe separating each link), and I have not found a way to add this extra image as a background the the first element. Have you tried adding it to the instead? Just use a contextual selector after that... li.first a { back

Re: [WSG] Article: creating drop cap on the fly

Kevin McMonagle wrote: I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/the_perfect_drop_cap.asp Looks good, if you decrease the font size by one or two than the drop cap indent goes way in. Is there a way to fix that. -best kv

Re: [WSG] (Georg) equal heights within equal heigh wraper

Tee G. Peng wrote: http://project.lotusseedsdesign.com/tee_test/4col.html If you click 'open' in the outer left column, it get expanded and you can clearly see the inner column couldn't adjust its height I only had a quick look on the source-code, but the layout seems to behave as it should -

re: [WSG] Article: creating drop cap on the fly

> I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: > http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/the_perfect_drop_cap.asp > Looks good, if you decrease the font size by one or two than the drop cap indent goes way in. Is there a way to fix that. -best kvnmcwbn

RE: [WSG] hr won't turn black

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mordechai Peller > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:58 AM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] hr won't turn black > > > > So granted, hr is /purely/ presentational, but if your > objective is to > show

Re: [WSG] Opera 9.10 Margin

Thanks David - look forward to the new release. I've put in a dreaded to solve the problem for now. Much appreciated Sarah :) > You could possibly use a dotted border instead of an image for the > vertical pipe, but the one pixel issue is a Opera bug as it works > correctly in our public bu

RE: [WSG] trying to justify webstandards

45 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] trying to justify webstandards Hi Robin, The first thing I notice is the different doctype between pages - the last one you mentioned (.net) has a HTML4 strict, and the other one you developed has XHTML transitional. I expect that this is a big p

Re: [WSG] Opera 9.10 Margin

You could possibly use a dotted border instead of an image for the vertical pipe, but the one pixel issue is a Opera bug as it works correctly in our public builds of Opera 9.2. Development is wrapping up shortly on 9.2, so it should be out soon. you can test the page using this build by

RE: [WSG] Opera 9.10 Margin

Hi Kepler, Many thanks for your reply. However I already have a background image on the elements (the vertical pipe separating each link), and I have not found a way to add this extra image as a background the the first element. Do you have any suggestions please? > Hi Sarah, > > The problem

Re: [WSG] when i turn css off

lol. sometimes i love sarcasm. dwain On 2/20/07, Tee G. Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:18 PM, Dwain Alford wrote: > when i tiurn css off on a page i have done everything reverts to > default (i.e. h1, h2, etc.) and lines up down the left side of the > page. without

Re: [WSG] when i turn css off

On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:18 PM, Dwain Alford wrote: when i tiurn css off on a page i have done everything reverts to default (i.e. h1, h2, etc.) and lines up down the left side of the page. without using tables, is there a way to maintain the layout when css is turned off? dwain Hmmm

RE: [WSG] Opera 9.10 Margin

Hi Sarah, The problem appears to be the tag you have embedded in the first list item. The img has a height of 12px and is enlarging the list item containing Home. A better solution would be to remove the img tag from the first list item and use a background URL instead: In mytest.css:

Re: [WSG] when i turn css off

I think there's no way to retain the layout when CSS is turned off except for using presentational attributes which are already deprecated and NOT recommended. That is why you have to consider the flow of your content when creating your Web pages so that it would still make sense even when viewed

ADMIN: THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] RSS feeds

We're off topic with this thread - if any further responses could go back to the OP that would be great. (As ever, if you have a way to drag it on topic, ie a discussion of how to implement it in standards, please go ahead!) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Core Group Member **

ADMIN: THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please

Hi guys, This thread doesn't seem to be on topic - perhaps a design list would be more appropriate? If you need help getting a drop down (etc) to work, we're here for you, but what sort of design element to use isn't on topic. Sorry! Any further responses should go straight to Christian warmly

Re: [WSG] hr won't turn black

Hassan Schroeder wrote: Your HR will show a logical separation exists without depending on presentational styling via CSS. But I won't see your pretty /non-semantic/ DIV border using Lynx, for example... So granted, hr is /purely/ presentational, but if your objective is to show a separation

Re: [WSG] IE 6 Horizontal Menu Shift

Many thanks Philippe, I managed to add a 40px left padding to the IE6 style sheet, and leave it as 4% for other browsers. Not perfect, but workable. Much appreciated :) > > When you click on a link in Win XP IE6 the whole list moves > > horizontally. > > > > I've tried lots of things, but can't

Re: [WSG] IE 6 Horizontal Menu Shift

On Feb 20, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: When you click on a link in Win XP IE6 the whole list moves horizontally. I've tried lots of things, but can't seem to find the bug. URL: CSS: % margins bug

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