Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/6/07, Jermayn Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, that's nice. So, I'm curious -- the site has both a photo (jpeg) > of the hotel exterior and a (Flash-embedded) image of one of the rooms, > so what's the problem? So one flash embedded image and a photo of the hotel exterior is

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Jermayn Parker
Well, that's nice. So, I'm curious -- the site has both a photo (jpeg) of the hotel exterior and a (Flash-embedded) image of one of the rooms, so what's the problem? So one flash embedded image and a photo of the hotel exterior is going to give you a good feel about what the hotel is all ab

Re: [WSG] HR tag and Semantics

2007-02-05 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/5/07, Kat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Christian Montoya wrote: > On 2/5/07, Andrew Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > one example would be XHTML 2 which has s to > separate parts of a page. That offers a lot more for semantics than > just having s strewn about. What is the difference betw

Re: [WSG] HR tag and Semantics

2007-02-05 Thread liorean
On 06/02/07, Kat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What is the difference between the new and a ? Sections are typographical sections, divs are for "adding extra structure". You can see divs as fuzzy semantically distinct content areas and sections as a textual semantical grouping. http://www.w3.or

Re: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime

2007-02-05 Thread liorean
On 06/02/07, Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Quicktime works well with IE browsers, but with other browsers it's hit and miss. All too often I have seen my browser (FF 2.0) crash as a result of a Quicktime movie. Flash never crashes. Regardless of which consumes more resources (and i

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Jermayn Parker wrote: > If your in the hotel business and advertising for a brand new hotel, you > need to sell your business and entice people away from their current > 'fav' hotels to yours. Do you think not having any photos and just a > nice flashy home page will do that? I know for a FACT tha

Re: [WSG] HR tag and Semantics

2007-02-05 Thread Kat
Christian Montoya wrote: On 2/5/07, Andrew Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: one example would be XHTML 2 which has s to separate parts of a page. That offers a lot more for semantics than just having s strewn about. What is the difference between the new and a ? Kat

Re: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime

2007-02-05 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/5/07, Sarah Peeke (XERT) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2. Is there a different file format which is more universal? Quicktime works well with IE browsers, but with other browsers it's hit and miss. All too often I have seen my browser (FF 2.0) crash as a result of a Quicktime movie. Flash ne

Re: [WSG] HR tag and Semantics

2007-02-05 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/5/07, Andrew Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've found myself wondering just what semantic meaning the tag adds to a document. The typical usage is when you want to separate sections of a page. The thing is that a tag indicates a new section too. Another issue is that we generally see

Re: [WSG] No. abbreviation glyph

2007-02-05 Thread Ben Buchanan
If the glyph for No. (as outlined in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No.) is used, should this be in an abbreviation element to explain it? It is an abbreviation, isn't it?? What do screen-readers make of this particular glyph, if anything? Or should it be kept as No., which is quite commo

Re: [WSG] HR tag and Semantics

2007-02-05 Thread Sam Sherlock
for inferior explorer I have had success with wrapping hr's in div's then use css to put the background etc on the div and hide the hr inside with display: none. though alot of the time I have had issues with the placement of hr's displayed after floated elements; this occurs with and without

Re: [WSG] HR tag and Semantics

2007-02-05 Thread Chris Stratford
Andrew, I can't say that I have actually ever used a ... If I ever need to break up sections, I use another tag and a content div beneath it. Interesting topic - I find there are LOT of HTML tags I rarely use... - Chris *** List

Re: [WSG] HR tag and Semantics

2007-02-05 Thread Tim
I love HRs, I use seven different stylesheets and have a different background image for each HR which is a very wide thin tiling pattern. Then you can have different HRs for each style. I also use them to ensure clear breaks on both sides. Explorer does not seem to support the background image

Re: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime

2007-02-05 Thread Jan Brasna
QuickTime to be more accessible to screen readers, generally? It's generally the same - no one advised you to autostart the playback etc., so as long as the Flash could receive focus and start the playback via AT, it's okay. I am most concerned about usability/accessibility issues with this

[WSG] HR tag and Semantics

2007-02-05 Thread Andrew Ingram
I've found myself wondering just what semantic meaning the tag adds to a document. The typical usage is when you want to separate sections of a page. The thing is that a tag indicates a new section too. Another issue is that we generally seem to put them in our markup then hide them using

[WSG] No. abbreviation glyph

2007-02-05 Thread Kat
I have confused myself :) If the glyph for No. (as outlined in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No.) is used, should this be in an abbreviation element to explain it? It is an abbreviation, isn't it?? What do screen-readers make of this particular glyph, if anything? Or should it be k

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Jermayn Parker
Ok I guess your having a dig at me but I will humour you If your in the hotel business and advertising for a brand new hotel, you need to sell your business and entice people away from their current 'fav' hotels to yours. Do you think not having any photos and just a nice flashy home page will do

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Jermayn Parker wrote: > Photos of what the rooms look like would be one obvious example of what > would make this website a bit more credible. Wow. Lack of room photos equates to: > a useless uninformative site and apart from the home page it is > ugly and bare as naked bones. :: not to mention

Re: [WSG] CSS calling methods survey

2007-02-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Kat wrote: I'm beginning to think modular css using @imports are actually quite smart, not just for re-use reasons but also because if you do need to support really old and dodgy browsers (sometimes it happens to the best of us) you can create stylesheets for those, and then over-rule them in t

[WSG] RSS Feed Update

2007-02-05 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hello all, Just wanted to let you know we did an Accessites reboot and our feed has changed to http://accessites.org/site/feed/ (or http://feeds.feedburner.com/accessites). All inbounds are 301 redirected so nothing's lost or needs to be changed/updated, but the feeds are worth mentioning. Th

RE: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime

2007-02-05 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Hi Steve > We work for a lot of clever people and they often > revert to a non-Flash solution. Thanks for your reply (and everyone else too!) - I was concerned about Flash too. Have the designers you've tested for found QuickTime to be more accessible to screen readers, generally? Otherwise, wh

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Jermayn Parker
Photos of what the rooms look like would be one obvious example of what would make this website a bit more credible. On 2/6/07, Hassan Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jermayn Parker wrote: > Your explanation makes sense but as a designer who also dabbles in seo, > would not it be your r

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Jermayn Parker wrote: > Your explanation makes sense but as a designer who also dabbles in seo, > would not it be your right to 'suggest' and sell the importance of > descent content?? The internet is a place were you find useful or > useless information. It is not primely a gallery of art like thi

RE: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime

2007-02-05 Thread Steve Green
It may just be that our customers are not very good designers but many of the Flash-based multimedia projects we have tested have had problems with resource utilisation. Often the video will use 2 or 3 times as much CPU and memory when it is embedded in Flash compared with playing it in a media pla

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-05 Thread Jermayn Parker
Your explanation makes sense but as a designer who also dabbles in seo, would not it be your right to 'suggest' and sell the importance of descent content?? The internet is a place were you find useful or useless information. It is not primely a gallery of art like this website. also you look at

Re: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime

2007-02-05 Thread Jan Brasna
1. What is the best way to "hide" the movie from browsers that don't support quicktime (or from users who don't want to download quicktime)? To use an UFO/SWFObject alternative for QT, or Satay-like QT alternative w/ fallbacks. 2. Is there a different file format which is more universal? F

Re: [WSG] IE 5.5 issue

2007-02-05 Thread Ben Buchanan
> It's been a while since I've had to include support for IE5 (and how > great that feels), Before not supporting any browser, you should first ask what will it take to support it? Even if the number don't otherwise justify supporting IE5, if the fix is simple enough (and adding two or three text-

Re: [WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime

2007-02-05 Thread Kay Smoljak
On 2/6/07, Sarah Peeke (XERT) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2. Is there a different file format which is more universal? Quicktime movies can be imported into Flash, which has much higher browser penetration. And there is lots of information available on embedding flash in a gracefully degradable

Re: [WSG] CSS calling methods survey

2007-02-05 Thread Kat
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:> In document: 'link' with relative path. I use 'style' for adding page-specific, and often media-dependent, styles, but do not use @import in documents. - All browsers understand 'link', and some don't understand anything else. - I do not separate browsers on this level.

[WSG] Usability Questions for Quicktime

2007-02-05 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Hi all, I am using the code below to embed a .mov file, which is standards compliant in XHTML 1.0 Strict. Two questions please: 1. What is the best way to "hide" the movie from browsers that don't support quicktime (or from users who don't want to download quicktime)? 2. Is there a different fi

Re: [WSG] IE 5.5 issue

2007-02-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Andrew Krespanis wrote: It's been a while since I've had to include support for IE5 (and how great that feels), Before not supporting any browser, you should first ask what will it take to support it? Even if the number don't otherwise justify supporting IE5, if the fix is simple enough (and a

Re: [WSG] CSS calling methods survey

2007-02-05 Thread Tony Crockford
Barney Carroll wrote: ? & @import? Which do you use, for what, and why?

here's what I do: