Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-06 Thread Barney Carroll
'The point'. Very interesting notion. Presumably, sticking any kind of extra markup in is going to cause you to have to put in as much attention, effort and typing (at least) as putting in the space manually, and css can't yet select sub-element 'objects'. So seeing as you need extra markup

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-06 Thread Designer
Barney Carroll wrote: 'The point'. Very interesting notion. Presumably, sticking any kind of extra markup in is going to cause you to have to put in as much attention, effort and typing (at least) as putting in the space manually, and css can't yet select sub-element 'objects'. So seeing as

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-06 Thread Nathan de Vries
On 06/11/2006, at 10:26 PM, Designer wrote: Horrible though the span thing is, it does at least leave control of the layout to the CSS. If you subsequently want to eliminate the spacing, you just change the {padding-right : 0.5 em} to {padding : 0} and all the spaces on the site go back to

RE: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-06 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Designer Agreed, naturally. But can you point to an actual example of how to do this? Apart from the (complex) problems of avoiding Mr. Mrs. etc, I often use PHP and this is riddled

RE: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-06 Thread Chris Williams
everyone seems to think this is so complicated. Regular expressions are your friend... -Original Message- From: Designer Subject: Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ? But can you point to an actual example of how to do this? Apart from the (complex) problems of avoiding Mr. Mrs

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-03 Thread Barney Carroll
Which is semantically worse, and why? 1. Just manually putting the extra space in the markup. 2. Manually putting an extra inline element around the full stop and styling said element to create a presentational space. To me, they seem just as bad as each other - in the first instance because

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-03 Thread Rob Kirton
BarneyThere is effectively no semantic difference. To stop the spread of grey goo on the net, the only semantics we shoud be worried about are those which are picked up by search engines, and a span class=sentence means equally as little as nbsp;nbsp; to these. It is also of little consequence to

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-03 Thread Nathan de Vries
As a new member to this list, I can't believe throwing span class=sentence / around EVERY SENTENCE IN YOUR CONTENT is being seen as even a remotely valid solution. Is the use of Javascript frowned upon on this list? Why not use that? -- Nathan de Vries

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-03 Thread Joshua Street
On 11/4/06, Nathan de Vries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a new member to this list, I can't believe throwing span class=sentence / around EVERY SENTENCE IN YOUR CONTENT is being seen as even a remotely valid solution. Is the use of Javascript frowned upon on this list? Why not use that? How is

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-03 Thread Christian Montoya
On 11/3/06, Nathan de Vries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 04/11/2006, at 1:22 PM, Christian Montoya wrote: Because the solution (yes, solution for a silly problem) has to work when the document is PRINTED. That means that it has to be either a plain HTML or print CSS technique. When I open up

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-03 Thread Nathan de Vries
On 04/11/2006, at 2:13 PM, Christian Montoya wrote: Oh, in that case it's fine, but it's not really a big difference. Not a big difference? Unnecessary spans wrapped around every sentence in your content seems a _little_ bit different to plain content with post-processing done by

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-02 Thread Chris Williams
There was quite the flame war on this topic about a month ago, you might want to check archives... You will certainly get some responses in the why would you do that, it's old-school, and it's wrong variety. But I insist on it as well on my site, and I have done a great deal of research on how

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-02 Thread Mel
on 02/11/2006 19:24 Nick Roper said the following: A client has requested that the content on their site has two spaces between the end of one sentence and the start of the next. Have they said why? Or indicated how big a unit a single space is (serious question)? If they're looking to

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-02 Thread Designer
Nick Roper wrote: Hi Group, A client has requested that the content on their site has two spaces between the end of one sentence and the start of the next. We could do it by using non-breaking spaces, but is there a better way of achieving this - possibly with CSS? Thanks in anticipation.

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-02 Thread ~davidLaakso
Nick Roper wrote: Hi Group, A client has requested that the content on their site has two spaces between the end of one sentence and the start of the next. We could do it by using non-breaking spaces, but is there a better way of achieving this - possibly with CSS? Thanks in anticipation.

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-02 Thread ~davidLaakso
~davidLaakso wrote: Nick Roper wrote: Hi Group, A client has requested that the content on their site has two spaces between the end of one sentence and the start of the next. We could do it by using non-breaking spaces, but is there a better way of achieving this - possibly with CSS?

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-02 Thread Nick Roper
Hi Chris, Thanks for the reply, I'll get in touch off-list for the regex code - much appreciated. We use PHP to implement CMS for clients so that would fit well. Before anyone does leap into print to condemn the practice as old-school or wrong, I'm not really interested in getting involved

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-02 Thread Nick Roper
Designer, Thanks for that. I see what you mean about the space at the end of the line in para 2, but the content won't be justified on the site so shouldn't be an issue. Nick Designer wrote: Nick Roper wrote: Hi Group, A client has requested that the content on their site has two spaces

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-02 Thread Dmitry Baranovskiy
I catch your point Nick, the solution with span class=sentence is probably the best, but I have to point that using double space after sentence is completely wrong. It is not “old school”—it is “bad school”. Jan Tschichold [1] and Robert Bringhurst [2] both wrote in their books (‘Form of