Re: Version control

[David Cantrell]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:45:34PM -, Jim Gillespie wrote:

> Does ClearCase work with anything but Solaris?  I was talking to my current
> boss and he reckons it needs a patched kernel in order to do funky stuff
> with the file system.

I know it works with NT (yeah, OK).  What's worrying is that I hear that
Rational are concentrating development on NT as well, which is obviously
a Bad Thing.

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Re: Version control

[Simon Cozens]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:45:34PM -, Jim Gillespie wrote:
> > > But there are alternatives.  Does anyone here have any comments on
> > > Perforce or Clearcase?  

Use Perforce. It's very good.

> It took me quite a while to get the hang of ClearCase but I was growing to
> like it by the end of my time at Level3 (time to leave...).

Use Perforce. It's very good.

> Does ClearCase work with anything but Solaris?  I was talking to my current
> boss and he reckons it needs a patched kernel in order to do funky stuff
> with the file system.

Use Perforce. It's very good.

> My main beef with CVS (and ClearCase) is that there doesn't seem to be any
> way to access the release string programatically - I can tag all my source
> as "FOO_R1-0" or whatever, but I can't tell from within the source that it
> has been so tagged.  Unless someone knows different?

Use Perforce. It's very good.


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Re: Version control

[Roger Burton West]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:45:34PM -, Jim Gillespie wrote:

>My main beef with CVS (and ClearCase) is that there doesn't seem to be any
>way to access the release string programatically - I can tag all my source
>as "FOO_R1-0" or whatever, but I can't tell from within the source that it
>has been so tagged.  Unless someone knows different?

You can get the _numeric_ version tag with $Version: $ (or whatever it is),
in CVS at least, but I assume you already knew that.

You can't have the symbolic tag, because it's entirely possible to have
more than one symbolic tag applying to the same version of the source
code - say, the large static module that's not in a part of the tree that's
being worked on very much...

Roger

Re: Version control

[Jim Gillespie]

> From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> * David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > 
> > But there are alternatives.  Does anyone here have any comments on
> > Perforce or Clearcase?  Needless to say, both companies have crap
websites
> > with no useful documentation and a tonne of marketing arse.
> 
> i hated clearcase, but i have a feelign one of our team was using
> it in a ``creative'' manner, almost all VCS' suck when they are
> used in any unusual way 

I know who you're talking about.  And I'll bet he just loves
Quantum::Superpositions :-)

It took me quite a while to get the hang of ClearCase but I was growing to
like it by the end of my time at Level3 (time to leave...).

Does ClearCase work with anything but Solaris?  I was talking to my current
boss and he reckons it needs a patched kernel in order to do funky stuff
with the file system.

My main beef with CVS (and ClearCase) is that there doesn't seem to be any
way to access the release string programatically - I can tag all my source
as "FOO_R1-0" or whatever, but I can't tell from within the source that it
has been so tagged.  Unless someone knows different?

Jim

[social] London Walk

[Paul Mison]

As you may be aware, some members of (void) are doing a London Walk on
Sunday. If you'd like to join the 12 comitted nutters already taking
part, we congregate at Alexandra Palace rail station, North London, at
6.00 am, and proceed southwards along a single column of the A-Z until
sunset (with, probably, a lot of breaks for food and drink).

Note that the tubes and overground won't be working at this time in the
morning, so you're reliant on taxis or night buses to get there.

We'll cross the river at Vauxhall Bridge and continue southwards to
Streatham or Morden, finishing at sunset, 18:00. Yes, that's right,
this is a 12 hour walk. I said committed nutters.

If you want to join in or meet us along the way, get in touch offlist
before Saturday.

--
:: paul
:: this world's crazy, give me the gun

XML One London

[pmh]

Is anyone going to XML One London next week? I'll be there until Wednesday,
but the Thursday didn't look any use to me.

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 Hey! this is not mod_santa list !"
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An enquiry

[Clarke, Darren]

Title: An enquiry





If this is anappropriate for this list the please accept my apologies.


Is anyone looking for an experienced web designer who is looking to pick up Perl and run with it?


Regards,


Darren Clarke
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Re: [boring] Statistics

[Simon Wistow]

David Cantrell wrote:
> 
> Quick question for any statisticians out there:
> 
> Does this look like it should be modelled with a Poisson distribution to
> you?  This data represents the number of logins on a workstation per hour.

Don't think so, there's too much of a dip at 11:00 and 14:00

[boring] Statistics

[David Cantrell]

Quick question for any statisticians out there:

Does this look like it should be modelled with a Poisson distribution to
you?  This data represents the number of logins on a workstation per hour.

00: 
01: 
02: 
03: 
04: 
05: 
06: 
07: 
08: 
09: ###
10: #
11: ##
12: ###
13: 
14: 
15: ###
16: 
17: ##
18: ###
19: 
20: 
21: 
22: 
23:

As you can see, I generally arrive at work very shortly after ten, and
then spend a couple of hours reading mail before I start doing any work :-)

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Re: Matt's Scripts

[Robert Shiels]

Subject: Re: Matt's Scripts


> > > is there an idiot-proof graphical front-end for scp? windows?
> > 
> > On Windows I use pscp which comes from the same people as putty. It
> > works well, but it doesn't have a pretty graphical front-end.
> 
> Yes there is.  http://www.i-tree.org/ixplorer.htm. 
> 
> I suggest you peeps read http://www.openssh.org/windows.html which lists
> alternatives

FYI

I've found a site that looks pretty useful, and the following link

http://www.cotse.com/secureftp.htm

gave me a nice overview, with links, on the secure ftp topic.

/Robert

Re: New Perl Stuff From O'Reilly

[David Cantrell]

On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 01:58:19PM -, Matthew Jones wrote:
> > As a Perl novice I'd have to say the old version looks much better. 
> > Just replacing Programming Perl would have been enough.
> 
> As another person at an early stage in my Perl self-development, I'll second
> this, and add that I'd like to add the Owl book on regexps, although I
> suppose that's not strictly perl-specific enough to go on the perl cd
> bookshelf?

It is *incredibly* useful, and I found it very easy to read, although
plenty of people criticise it for being very academic.  Good idea that
man!

I wouldn't want to put the Wolf book in there, cos IMO it's crap.  I'd
like to see 'classic' papers from TPCs in there.

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RE: New Perl Stuff From O'Reilly

[Matthew Jones]

> As a Perl novice I'd have to say the old version looks much better. 
> Just replacing Programming Perl would have been enough.

As another person at an early stage in my Perl self-development, I'll second
this, and add that I'd like to add the Owl book on regexps, although I
suppose that's not strictly perl-specific enough to go on the perl cd
bookshelf? And "Programming the Perl DBI", which I find very handy.

I got my copy of the Perl CD Bookshelf because it included books that
provide a reference for just about every stage of development.

-- 
matt jones

Re: New Perl Stuff From O'Reilly

[Robin Szemeti]

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, you wrote:
> Well, sort of. It's a repacking of some existing stuff - a second
> edition of the Perl CD Bookshelf 
> 
> Looks like the contents of the new edition is:
> 
> * Programming Perl, 3rd Edition
> * Perl for System Administration
> * Perl in a Nutshell
> * Perl Cookbook
> * Advanced Perl Programming


> What would _you_ have included?

<< * Perl for System Administration
>> * Programming the perl DBI

and although its not oreilly ;) 
>>  'What you need to know' chapter 2 from OO Perl (Conway) cos that one
chapter replaces pretty much all of learning perl in 1/10 of the
verbosity. .. and ideally the whole book :)

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So I installed Linux!

RE: New Perl Stuff From O'Reilly

[Simon Batistoni]

> Compare to the old edition which had:
<...>
> * Learning Perl
> * Learning Perl on Win32 Systems

Ditching these two makes sense - they're good books, but they do exactly
what it says on the tin, and once you've got your teeth into perl, you use
the Camel, Cookbook et al as everyday references.

You'd have to be fairly committed to learning perl to grab all the books on
one CD before you'd even tried to learn the basics.

> What would _you_ have included?

I'd have been tempted to have Mastering Algorithms on there too, but only
from a "I think it sounds useful as a reference" point-of-view - I haven't
had a chance to read it yet.

Re: New Perl Stuff From O'Reilly

[Neil Ford]

>Well, sort of. It's a repacking of some existing stuff - a second
>edition of the Perl CD Bookshelf 
>
>Looks like the contents of the new edition is:
>
>* Programming Perl, 3rd Edition
>* Perl for System Administration
>* Perl in a Nutshell
>* Perl Cookbook
>* Advanced Perl Programming
>
>Compare to the old edition which had:
>
>* Perl in a Nutshell
>* Programming Perl, 2nd Edition
>* Perl Cookbook
>* Advanced Perl Programming
>* Learning Perl
>* Learning Perl on Win32 Systems
>
>What would _you_ have included?
>
>Dave...

As a Perl novice I'd have to say the old version looks much better. 
Just replacing Programming Perl would have been enough.

If anyone does decide to 'upgrade' I'd be interested it taking their 
old copy off their hands.

Neil.
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Re: Matt's Scripts

[Robin Szemeti]

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, you wrote:
> >  now where is 
> > 'merlin' when you need him :) 
> 
> ITYM 'merlyn' (or 'q[merlyn]').

ahh yes .. you have the better of me there.

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The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!

New Perl Stuff From O'Reilly

[Dave Cross]

Well, sort of. It's a repacking of some existing stuff - a second
edition of the Perl CD Bookshelf 

Looks like the contents of the new edition is:

* Programming Perl, 3rd Edition
* Perl for System Administration
* Perl in a Nutshell
* Perl Cookbook
* Advanced Perl Programming

Compare to the old edition which had:

* Perl in a Nutshell
* Programming Perl, 2nd Edition
* Perl Cookbook
* Advanced Perl Programming
* Learning Perl
* Learning Perl on Win32 Systems

What would _you_ have included?

Dave...

Re: Silliness

[Simon Wilcox]

Thanks everyone.

That exposes my lack of familiarity with the q & qq operators ;-)

Another little bit of learning learned.

S.

Re: Silliness

[Dave Cross]

At Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:52:07 + (GMT), Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> 
> > but that wouldn't work on Win32 platforms as they seem to insist on 
> > double  quotes to delimit command arguments.
> 
> Speak for yerself, I use bash on my windoze box ;-)

Ok. I guess I meant:

"...but that wouldn't work under the default command interpreter on 
Win32 platforms as COMMAND.COM seems to insist on double quotes to 
delimit command arguments."

Better?

Dave...

Re: Silliness

[Mark Fowler]

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

> but that wouldn't work on Win32 platforms as they seem to insist on double 
> quotes to delimit command arguments.

Speak for yerself, I use bash on my windoze box ;-)

Later.

Mark.

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   Name  => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  => 'Profero Ltd',Web   => 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
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Re: Silliness

[DJ Adams]

On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 11:48:47AM +, Simon Wilcox wrote:
> 
> print unpack('u', ';0FEG($)R;W1H97(@:7,@=V%T8VAI;F<@>6]U'),"\n";

I tried this:

perl -e "print unpack('u', ';0FEG($)R;W1H97(@:7,@=V%T8VAI;F<@>6]U'),qq/\n/;"

and it worked 

:-)

dj

Re: Silliness

[Mark Fowler]

> print unpack('u', ';0FEG($)R;W1H97(@:7,@=V%T8VAI;F<@>6]U'),"\n";

perl -e 'print unpack("u",q{;0FEG($)R;W1H97(@:7,@=V%T8VAI;F<@>6]U}),"\n";'

Later.

Mark.

-- 
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_>6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
   Name  => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  => 'Profero Ltd',Web   => 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )

Re: Silliness

[Dave Cross]

At Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:48:47 +, Simon Wilcox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I feel stupid for even asking but..
> 
> For reasons that are too silly to go into here, I want to run this 
> snippet from the command line:
> 
> print unpack('u', ';0FEG($)R;W1H97(@:7,@=V%T8VAI;F<@>6]U'),"\n";
> 
> But I just can't seem to get the right combination of single quotes, 
> double quotes and switches.
> 
> I know it is probably really really obvious, but can someone please 
> put me out of my misery !

perl -e "print unpack('u', ';0FEG($)R;W1H97(@:7,@=V%T8VAI;F<@>6]U'),qq(\n);"

seems to do the trick.

You could probably also use:

perl -e 'print unpack("u", ";0FEG($)R;W1H97(@:7,@=V%T8VAI;F<@>6]U"),"\n";'

but that wouldn't work on Win32 platforms as they seem to insist on double quotes to 
delimit command arguments.

hth,

Dave...

p.s. Oh, and no he's not. I'm watching him.

Silliness

[Simon Wilcox]

I feel stupid for even asking but..

For reasons that are too silly to go into here, I want to run this snippet 
from the command line:

print unpack('u', ';0FEG($)R;W1H97(@:7,@=V%T8VAI;F<@>6]U'),"\n";

But I just can't seem to get the right combination of single quotes, double 
quotes and switches.

I know it is probably really really obvious, but can someone please put me 
out of my misery !

Simon.

Re: Scalar Context vs List Context

[Struan Donald]

* at 15/03 11:18 - David Cantrell said:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 10:04:47AM +, Struan Donald wrote:
> > * at 14/03 10:37 -0500 Dave Cross said:
> > > ... and how much trouble you can get in for not knowing the
> difference:
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > the best thing about this is the number of links to this story that
> > give the impression the kids were arrested for not knowing the
> > difference rather than the consequences thereof. i think even
> > some of the more unforgiving of us would agree that it'd be a bit
> > harsh if it was the case.
> 
> I think that being banged up in a cell with a large man named Spike is
> perfectly reasonable for not testing your code before uploading it to
> the live site.

like i said, some of us :)

struan

Re: Scalar Context vs List Context

[David Cantrell]

On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 10:04:47AM +, Struan Donald wrote:
> * at 14/03 10:37 -0500 Dave Cross said:
> > ... and how much trouble you can get in for not knowing the difference:
> > 
> > 
> 
> the best thing about this is the number of links to this story that
> give the impression the kids were arrested for not knowing the
> difference rather than the consequences thereof. i think even
> some of the more unforgiving of us would agree that it'd be a bit
> harsh if it was the case.

I think that being banged up in a cell with a large man named Spike is
perfectly reasonable for not testing your code before uploading it to
the live site.

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Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-12

[Dave Hodgkinson]

Roger Burton West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:39:12PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> >* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:19:54PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
> >> > Content-type: matter-transport/beer-stream
> >> Isn't that what happens in the bogs of Penderels Oak?
> >Is it just me who has noticed the similarities between
> >the bogs of Penderels Oak and the TARDIS?
> 
> Yes. Definitely. Just you. None of the rest of us has noticed anything
> odd at all.
> 
> (phew)

I always forget to take the axe before I go to cross the bridge
though. And getting hte plover's egg is a nightmare.

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Re: Matt's Scripts

[Dave Hodgkinson]

David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It is indeed lovely.  Although you don't need to do tunnelling magic:
>   rsync -options -e ssh source-list me@myserver:/destination

rsync is a wonderful beast. The -a and -z options, accompanied by
--progress (if they're big files) and --delete (for true mirroring).



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Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-12

[Roger Burton West]

On or about Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 10:06:16PM +, Dominic Mitchell typed:
>On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:19:54PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
>> Content-type: matter-transport/beer-stream
>For the unenlightened, please consult the standards document:
>http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/htbin/rfc/rfc1437.html

Actually, I think the precursor is at
http://www.illuminated.co.uk/humour/Beer.html

Roger

Re: Scalar Context vs List Context

[Struan Donald]

* at 14/03 10:37 -0500 Dave Cross said:
> ... and how much trouble you can get in for not knowing the difference:
> 
> 

the best thing about this is the number of links to this story that
give the impression the kids were arrested for not knowing the
difference rather than the consequences thereof. i think even
some of the more unforgiving of us would agree that it'd be a bit
harsh if it was the case.

not useing strict on the other hand...

struan