Re: Odd idiom

2001-05-29 Thread Dave Cross
On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 11:20:04PM -0700, Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Why do people say inherits from the Foo::Bar manpage and not Foo::Bar module/class? I mean, how can something inherit from a lump of documentation? Is this one of those klutz kult phenomenon or something I'm

umm MakeMaker?

2001-05-29 Thread Robin Szemeti
so .. I've RTFM and still don't get it. ExtUtils::MakeMaker .. how do I get it to run a script at make time .. I have a .pl in a directory that I need run every 'make' .. I know how to add it as a POSTOP or PREOP to a 'make dist' or whatever .. but not just on a plain 'make' ... -- Robin

XML

2001-05-29 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Hi folx, Why is it that every time I spend 2 hours working with XML I discover a new twist that makes everything more complex than it used to be? And that's deliberately ignoring the advanced stuff. Anyway, does anyone know of any XML authoring tools (any platform) that let you compose XML

Re: Grammar - Class creation

2001-05-29 Thread Leon Brocard
Paul Makepeace sent the following bits through the ether: Are there modules/frameworks that exist to create classes from a grammar spec (e.g. EBNF)? Well, Parse::RecDescent[1] probably does what you want. Check out the autotree directive. Parsing is fun. Let's try and parse everything! [1]

Re: Grammar - Class creation

2001-05-29 Thread Simon Wistow
Paul Makepeace wrote: Are there modules/frameworks that exist to create classes from a grammar spec (e.g. EBNF)? Restating, I'm envisaging something where the input is a grammar and the output is a class or set of classes that provides parsing capabilities and validating accessor methods.

Re: Grammar - Class creation

2001-05-29 Thread Marcel Grunauer
On Tuesday, May 29, 2001, at 11:18 AM, Simon Wistow wrote: I started looking into this when I first started doing the SWF stuff ... a kind of YACC for file formats. Describe it in a BNF-a-like language and then run a program over it et voila - you have a library for reading and creating

Re: Grammar - Class creation

2001-05-29 Thread Leon Brocard
Marcel Grunauer sent the following bits through the ether: Is that a) a good idea, b) a bad idea, c) common practice anyway and I just haven't found it? japhy's apparently kinda doing this: http://search.cpan.org/doc/PINYAN/YAPE-Regex-3.01/extra/YAPE.pm The YAPE hierarchy of modules is an

Re: Grammar - Class creation

2001-05-29 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 02:27:40AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: Anyway, PDF is easier re: packing/endianness since it's a text format! The only time you get binary data is for unencoded streams (which they advise against, although it's permitted, for example PDFlib generates it) like a

Re: Grammar - Class creation

2001-05-29 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 10:45:59AM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: [Of course, the reason nobody's done this before is that everyone wants a slightly different interface...] Surely it should be possible to specify the underlying *functionality* of the system and then have a perl source filter (or

Re: Grammar - Class creation

2001-05-29 Thread Marcel Grunauer
On Tuesday, May 29, 2001, at 11:49 AM, Paul Makepeace wrote: Surely it should be possible to specify the underlying *functionality* of the system and then have a perl source filter (or other component of perl's mind-addling n-tier parsing architecture) that rewrites/re-presents the

Re: Grammar - Class creation

2001-05-29 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 10:48:54AM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: Not quite, it's a human-readable binary format. All the indexes rely on offsets in the file, and the various fun with the newline conventions mean that in my book, it's a binary format, you can't just go along and edit it

Re: Grammar - Class creation

2001-05-29 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 29 May 2001, Leon Brocard wrote: Other programming languages need code generators to spit out libraries. Perl doesn't need to do this as it's dynamic, baby. This is why Parse::RecDescent / Template Toolkit are so groovy, yeah. I propose a new convention : we all shout 'CAMEL' if Leon

Re: Grammar - Class creation

2001-05-29 Thread Simon Wistow
Paul Makepeace wrote: Like I said, I looked into and didn't find anything and didn't have the time/experience/inclination to start doing something myself - too many gotchas :( Like what kind of gotchas, besides the padding/endianity stuff? Well, Parse::RecDescent didn't do binary (I

Forthcoming Meetings

2001-05-29 Thread Cross David - dcross
Social Meeting: Thursday 7th June Unless anyone comes up with a better idea in the next 24 hours, we'll go to the Penderels Oak for this. Technical Meeting: Thursday 21st June Need a venue for this please people. And speakers. If any speakers want to practise TPC or YAPC::E talks, then this

I have my life back!

2001-05-29 Thread Lucy McWilliam
Greetings all. The beerfest is now over, thank god. Was getting a bit blase about all that free beer. Anyway, I'm now and expert in fence building, floor laying, cotton condoming (!), and estimated I pulled over a thousand last week. Pints that is. So, what did I miss? L.

Re: I have my life back!

2001-05-29 Thread Tony Kennick
On Tue, 29 May 2001 12:19:54 +0100 (BST) Lucy McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings all. The beerfest is now over, thank god. Was getting a bit blase about all that free beer. Anyway, I'm now and expert in fence building, floor laying, cotton condoming (!), and estimated I pulled

(Chief) Wizard for hire...

2001-05-29 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
All the current projects are done and dusted and the T-shirts are at the printers (really!). I'm looking for the next round of excellent clients to work with. Take a look at my site at http://www.hodgkinson.org/ to see what I'm up to. Thanks, Dave -- Dave Hodgkinson,

Re: (Chief) Wizard for hire...

2001-05-29 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You've got a link to 127.0.0.1 on your CV page (sorry, I'm nosy). Fixed, ta. The perils of a two-tier Apache :-) Also, I see you've worked with the devil known as Illustra! Me too, condolences! They had the right idea... ;-) Still, at least one

Re: God bless Micro$oft

2001-05-29 Thread Roger Horne
On Mon 28 May, Paul Makepeace wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19239.html Entertaining (and http:www.gateway.co.uk would not let me in today.) But I wonder what the site is for. The main Government site has been http://www.open.gov.uk . That is closing, because presumably

geek movie _Center of the World_ (was Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-29 Thread Yeoh Yiu
So have you seen _Center of the World_ yet ? YY duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: see i dont mind 'lad's' magazines being covered in naked women, because i mean thats kinda what makes up the content of the magazine. but im very irritated by the fact that technology magazines are using sex

Re: geek movie _Center of the World_ (was Re: Sara Cox - wasRe: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-29 Thread Paul Mison
On 29/05/2001 at 18:04 +0100, Yeoh Yiu wrote: So have you seen _Center of the World_ yet ? Nah, 'cos it's not out here yet. No release date is listed on IMDB. Salon didn't like it, though: http://www.salon.com/tech/review/2001/04/19/center_of_the_world/index.html which I read as I Fear Not the

Fwd: [info@yapceurope.org: YAPC::Europe conference, August 2-4, 2001, Amsterdam.]

2001-05-29 Thread London.pm - Dave Cross
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Re: I have my life back!

2001-05-29 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 03:02:49PM +0100, Tony Kennick wrote: recruitment mode Sorry to just randomly attack you like this after reading your mail to London.pm's list. But a) are you a Camra member and b) are you going to work the great British beer festival in London this summer and/or

Re: (Chief) Wizard for hire...

2001-05-29 Thread Peter Haworth
On Tue, 29 May 2001 15:43:49 +0100, James Powell wrote: Also, I see you've worked with the devil known as Illustra! Me too, condolences! Me too. I even wrote DBD::Illustra for it, although by the time I got permission to release it, no one else in the World appeared to want it. --

Re: geek movie _Center of the World_ (was Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-29 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton
Paul Mison [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: *On 29/05/2001 at 18:04 +0100, Yeoh Yiu wrote: *So have you seen _Center of the World_ yet ? * *Nah, 'cos it's not out here yet. No release date is listed on IMDB. *Salon didn't like it, though: Salon has good taste too. Sucked harder than watching the queen

Re: (Chief) Wizard for hire...

2001-05-29 Thread James Powell
On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 07:39:33PM +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: On Tue, 29 May 2001 15:43:49 +0100, James Powell wrote: Also, I see you've worked with the devil known as Illustra! Me too, condolences! Me too. I even wrote DBD::Illustra for it, although by the time I got permission to

Re: (Chief) Wizard for hire...

2001-05-29 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ooh that would have been very useful for me at one time. I've got bells ringing in my head about how hard it was to get a C library out of them in the early days. Illustra - Nice ideas, shame about the locking approach (and lack of outer joins, etc

Re: (Chief) Wizard for hire...

2001-05-29 Thread Paul Sharpe
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ooh that would have been very useful for me at one time. I've got bells ringing in my head about how hard it was to get a C library out of them in the early days. Illustra - Nice ideas, shame about the locking

Re: (Chief) Wizard for hire...

2001-05-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Tue, 29 May 2001, Paul Sharpe wrote: Dave Hodgkinson wrote: James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ooh that would have been very useful for me at one time. I've got bells ringing in my head about how hard it was to get a C library out of them in the early days.

Re: (Chief) Wizard for hire...

2001-05-29 Thread Paul Sharpe
Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Tue, 29 May 2001, Paul Sharpe wrote: Dave Hodgkinson wrote: James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ooh that would have been very useful for me at one time. I've got bells ringing in my head about how hard it was to get a C library out of

Re: XML

2001-05-29 Thread Chris Benson
On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 09:48:28AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Anyway, does anyone know of any XML authoring tools (any platform) that let you compose XML against a Schema (latest spec), enforcing validation as you go? XML-Spy seems great in most respects but appears to have bugs in

Re: Grammar - Class creation

2001-05-29 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 11:59:48AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Tue, 29 May 2001, Leon Brocard wrote: Other programming languages need code generators to spit out libraries. Perl doesn't need to do this as it's dynamic, baby. This is why Parse::RecDescent / Template Toolkit are so

Re: Grammar - Class creation

2001-05-29 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 29 May 2001, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 11:59:48AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Tue, 29 May 2001, Leon Brocard wrote: Other programming languages need code generators to spit out libraries. Perl doesn't need to do this as it's dynamic, baby. This is why

Re: I have my life back!

2001-05-29 Thread Lucy McWilliam
On Tue, 29 May 2001, Tony Kennick wrote: recruitment mode Sorry to just randomly attack you like this after reading your mail to London.pm's list. But a) are you a Camra member and b) are you going to work the great British beer festival in London this summer and/or you interested in