bad greg
i'm sorry about asking this, but i've purged too many old archives of london.pm to find this one - someone one once mentioned a domain name registry with a neat web based management system for handling the dns wizardry afterwards - could they please remind me of the url? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: bad greg
Well, I threatened to write one. ``PremierDNS.com -- this is really a hack: become a registrar with no DNS servers, no billing ability, no employees and not be ICANN registered. This isn't a real business idea but more an integration of existing web services with a neat front-end.'' http://www.directnic.com/ I've found pretty good for the things you're talking about. Paul On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:27:19AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: i'm sorry about asking this, but i've purged too many old archives of london.pm to find this one - someone one once mentioned a domain name registry with a neat web based management system for handling the dns wizardry afterwards - could they please remind me of the url? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: bad greg
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: i'm sorry about asking this, but i've purged too many old archives of london.pm to find this one - someone one once mentioned a domain name registry with a neat web based management system for handling the dns wizardry afterwards - could they please remind me of the url? www.register.com -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: bad greg
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:38:17AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Wed, 30 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: i'm sorry about asking this, but i've purged too many old archives of london.pm to find this one - someone one once mentioned a domain name registry with a neat web based management system for handling the dns wizardry afterwards - could they please remind me of the url? www.register.com ObPedant: he asked for a URL, so where's the protocol and path parts? :) https://www.joker.com/ ? Who appear to have clue. MBM
Re: bad greg
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: https://www.joker.com/ ? Who appear to have clue. I *heart* Joker.com -- simon wistowwireless systems coder i think, i said i think this is our fault.
SQL statements to DB Schema (dia ?)
Dear All This is not perl related, but I hope to tap your collective knowledge. I'm involved with taking on a project started (and nearly finished) by an Agency writen mostly in PHP and Delphi. No statements that I'm already in trouble - thanks. I have no DB schema, and as such could dump the SQL schema (via mysqldump) - and I was wondering if there was a super thing that could translate the create table stuff into a diagram I could print, and then look at If this worked on Linux and involved perl and Dia then it would be fab. Thanks for your time. Greg
Re: (Chief) Wizard for hire...
On Tue, 29 May 2001 21:55:18 +0100, Paul Sharpe wrote: Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Tue, 29 May 2001, Paul Sharpe wrote: Doesn't PostgreSQL carry on the Illustra tradition? It went to Informix most recently and then of course to IBM. But didn't it come *from* Postgres? Yes, Illustra and PostgreSQL both have their roots in the Postgres DBMS. Illustra [...] picked up the code and commercialized it in 1992 (from http://www.postgresql.org/idocs/index.php?history.html) -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. -- Al Gore
RE: SQL statements to DB Schema (dia ?)
From: Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:33 AM Dear All This is not perl related, but I hope to tap your collective knowledge. I'm involved with taking on a project started (and nearly finished) by an Agency writen mostly in PHP and Delphi. No statements that I'm already in trouble - thanks. I have no DB schema, and as such could dump the SQL schema (via mysqldump) - and I was wondering if there was a super thing that could translate the create table stuff into a diagram I could print, and then look at If this worked on Linux and involved perl and Dia then it would be fab. prediction If GraphViz doesn't do this already - it will by the end of the day :) /prediction Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: SQL statements to DB Schema (dia ?)
From: Greg Cope [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I have no DB schema, and as such could dump the SQL schema (via mysqldump) - and I was wondering if there was a super thing that could translate the create table stuff into a diagram I could print, and then look at If this worked on Linux and involved perl and Dia then it would be fab. Unfortunately not Linux... but a MS-Win program call Dezign (IIRC) does this. http://www.datanamic.com/ Rob --- Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of IBNet Plc. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version.
Re: bad greg
- Original Message - From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:43 AM Subject: Re: bad greg Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: https://www.joker.com/ ? Who appear to have clue. I *heart* Joker.com I have heard good reports about http://gandi.net/ but have not yet had a chance to try them out.
RE: [PUB] Possible candidate
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:00 AM Was meandering aimlessly round by Southwark/ Blackfriar's Bridge/ Tate Modern area last night and ended up in a very nice pub by the river called Doggets Coat and Badge. I have the manager's business card at home. pedant That's Doggett Coat and Badge - a pint to the forst person to explain the name. /pedant It _is_ a nice pub. Tho' it's distance from tube stations may count against it. The other problem that I have with it is that it used to have a tendancy to keep City Pub hours - i.e. to close at 9pm. I think it's too late to organise anything for tonight, but feel free to organise a recce for next month. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: bad greg
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i'm sorry about asking this, but i've purged too many old archives of london.pm to find this one - someone one once mentioned a domain name registry with a neat web based management system for handling the dns wizardry afterwards - could they please remind me of the url? easily.co.uk -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
Cross David - dcross wrote: pedant That's Doggett Coat and Badge - a pint to the forst person to explain the name. /pedant c.f previous mail The right to wear Doggett's Coat and Badge is the prize in a rowing race held yearly since 1715 between London Bridge and Cadogan Pier, Chelsea in London. It was initiated by Thomas Doggett to commemorate the coronation of George I. The badge is silver and shows the white horse of Hannover. The race is now held in July. -- simon wistowwireless systems coder i think, i said i think this is our fault.
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:00 AM Was meandering aimlessly round by Southwark/ Blackfriar's Bridge/ Tate Modern area last night and ended up in a very nice pub by the river called Doggets Coat and Badge. I have the manager's business card at home. pedant That's Doggett Coat and Badge - a pint to the forst person to explain the name. /pedant It _is_ a nice pub. Tho' it's distance from tube stations may count against it. The other problem that I have with it is that it used to have a tendancy to keep City Pub hours - i.e. to close at 9pm. I think it's too late to organise anything for tonight, but feel free to whats tonight? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: SQL statements to DB Schema (dia ?)
so will ERwin for Windows * James Powell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I believe Visio will do this with an ODBC link to mysql... But of course it costs... On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 06:32:52AM +, Greg Cope wrote: Dear All This is not perl related, but I hope to tap your collective knowledge. I'm involved with taking on a project started (and nearly finished) by an Agency writen mostly in PHP and Delphi. No statements that I'm already in trouble - thanks. I have no DB schema, and as such could dump the SQL schema (via mysqldump) - and I was wondering if there was a super thing that could translate the create table stuff into a diagram I could print, and then look at If this worked on Linux and involved perl and Dia then it would be fab. Thanks for your time. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
RE: [PUB] Possible candidate
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:16 AM Cross David - dcross wrote: I think it's too late to organise anything for tonight, but feel free to organise a recce for next month. Tonight? But it's Wednesday the 30th today. /me gets confused Er... Ok. Confusion reigns. I think I meant: I think it's too late to organise anything for next week (June meeting), but feel free to organise a recce before the following (July) meeting. Apologies for fuckwittage. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: [PUB] Possible candidate
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:15 AM Cross David - dcross wrote: pedant That's Doggett Coat and Badge - a pint to the forst person to explain the name. /pedant c.f previous mail The right to wear Doggett's Coat and Badge is the prize in a rowing race held yearly since 1715 between London Bridge and Cadogan Pier, Chelsea in London. It was initiated by Thomas Doggett to commemorate the coronation of George I. The badge is silver and shows the white horse of Hannover. The race is now held in July. Maybe I should have said a pint to the first person WHO WASN'T IN THE PUB LAST NIGHT LEARNING ALL ABOUT THE HISTORY to explain the name. Btw, the coat is red. Dave... [giving up now] -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Cross David - dcross wrote: I think it's too late to organise anything for tonight, but feel free to organise a recce for next month. Tonight? But it's Wednesday the 30th today. that makes two of us, shurely the next meeting is over a week away, /me gets confused i'm glad its not just me -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
l337
my name is jon i have installed an irc client on my linux shell account can u tell me where the c00lest irc places are like what server and channel and stuff u all use so i can learn PERL and hacking and stuff from l337 ppl like all u are. tx!! jon -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think it's too late to organise anything for next week (June meeting), but are we that bad? feel free to organise a recce before the following (July) meeting. especially as the long summer nights are perfect for riverside pubs Apologies for fuckwittage. its ok, its so much easier when you calculate it as the day after the first wednesday of the month, see, today is wednesday, but not the the first one of the month, so it cant be any time soon -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: l337
- Original Message - From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:21 AM Subject: l337 my name is jon i have installed an irc client on my linux shell account can u tell me where the c00lest irc places are like what server and channel and stuff u all use so i can learn PERL and hacking and stuff from l337 ppl like all u are. tx!! jon I think there is probably more we can learn from you Jon.
Re: l337
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: my name is jon i have installed an irc client on my linux shell account can u tell me where the c00lest irc places are like what server and channel and stuff u all use so i can learn PERL and hacking and stuff from l337 ppl like all u are. tx!! hey dude, check out ... irc.rhizomatic.net london.rhizomatic.net join #london.pm and meet lots of hot chix who you can ask a/s/l to and ask if they have any war3z or pr0n laterz, z3R0 c0o1
RE: [PUB] Possible candidate
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:
Maybe I should have said a pint to the first person WHO WASN'T IN THE
PUB LAST NIGHT LEARNING ALL ABOUT THE HISTORY to explain the name.
Okay. I was sitting on my sofa last night.
The right to wear Doggett's Coat and Badge is the prize in a rowing race
held yearly since 1715 between London Bridge and Cadogan Pier, Chelsea
in London. It was initiated by Thomas Doggett to commemorate the
coronation of George I. The badge is silver and shows the white horse of
Hannover. The race is now held in July.
Later.
Mark.
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Re: SQL statements to DB Schema (dia ?)
On Wednesday, May 30, 2001, at 10:51 AM, Cross David - dcross wrote: I have no DB schema, and as such could dump the SQL schema (via mysqldump) - and I was wondering if there was a super thing that could translate the create table stuff into a diagram I could print, and then look at If this worked on Linux and involved perl and Dia then it would be fab. prediction If GraphViz doesn't do this already - it will by the end of the day :) /prediction It did - for some time. GraphViz::DBI, by yours truly, does precisely that. It relies, at this time, on a certain table/field naming convention (but is subclassable so you can implement your own convention). In a future version it'll be aware of constraints (for foreign keys and such). Marcel -- my int ($x, $y, $z, $n); $x**$n + $y**$n = $z**$n is insoluble if $n 2; I have discovered a truly remarkable proof which this signature is too short to contain. (20 Aug 2001: Pierre de Fermat's 400th birthday)
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Maybe I should have said a pint to the first person WHO WASN'T IN THE PUB LAST NIGHT LEARNING ALL ABOUT THE HISTORY to explain the name. Well in that case i qualify . The right to wear Doggett's Coat and Badge is the prize in a rowing race held yearly since 1715 between London Bridge and Cadogan Pier, Chelsea in London. It was initiated by Thomas Doggett to commemorate the coronation of George I. The badge is silver and shows the white horse of Hannover. The race is now held in July. Btw, the coat is red. now where is my pint? Dave... [giving up now] bah, and the week has hardly started
Re: l337
At 10:28 30/05/01 +0100, you wrote: my name is jon i have installed an irc client on my linux shell account can u tell me where the c00lest irc places are like what server and channel and stuff u all use so i can learn PERL and hacking and stuff from l337 ppl like all u are. tx!! jon I think there is probably more we can learn from you Jon. Apparently my reputation on the list as a paragon of reason and eloquence isn't as widespread as I had assumed. I threw caution to the wind my ommitting a this post is ironical smiley to the end of my post. Alas, I am undone. -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SQL statements to DB Schema (dia ?)
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 06:32:52AM +, Greg Cope wrote: mysqldump) - and I was wondering if there was a super thing that could translate the create table stuff into a diagram I could print, and then look at If this worked on Linux and involved perl and Dia then it would be fab. obiwanThis is not the answer you are looking for/obiwan ... but Oracle Designer does exactly this and rules in so many ways I couldn't possibly do it justice in this dial-up restricted email. I don't think it runs on Linux (although Oracle server does). Paul
Re: bad greg
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:38:17AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Wed, 30 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: i'm sorry about asking this, but i've purged too many old archives of london.pm to find this one - someone one once mentioned a domain name registry with a neat web based management system for handling the dns wizardry afterwards - could they please remind me of the url? www.register.com ObPedant: he asked for a URL, so where's the protocol and path parts? :) ObBiggerPedant: you mean a URI surely? ;) https://www.joker.com/ ? umm ... well thats a partial URI so I guess its a start ;) Who appear to have clue. and somebody elses site certificate ... -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:15 AM Cross David - dcross wrote: pedant That's Doggett Coat and Badge - a pint to the forst person to explain the name. /pedant c.f previous mail The right to wear Doggett's Coat and Badge is the prize in a rowing race held yearly since 1715 between London Bridge and Cadogan Pier, Chelsea in London. It was initiated by Thomas Doggett to commemorate the coronation of George I. The badge is silver and shows the white horse of Hannover. The race is now held in July. Maybe I should have said a pint to the first person WHO WASN'T IN THE PUB LAST NIGHT LEARNING ALL ABOUT THE HISTORY to explain the name. Btw, the coat is red. Doggett's Coat and Badge one of the world's oldest continuing rowing races, held annually in England along the River Thames from London Bridge to Chelsea, a distance of 4 miles 5 furlongs (7.4 km). The race is a sculling contest between skiffs originally used to ferry passengers across the river. The boats are manned by watermen who have recently completed their apprenticeship. The contest was instituted in 1715 by Thomas Doggett, an English comic actor, to commemorate the accession of George I in 1714. Doggett provided for a cash prize and an Orange coloured Livery with a Badge representing Liberty to be awarded to the winner. Although the colour of the uniform has changed from orange to red and the cash prize is no longer awarded, Doggett's decree continues to be fulfilled. This internet thing is quite interesting really once you get the hang of it. Do I get half a pint for knowing the coat was originally orange? Barbie.
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED] Btw, the coat is red. And for anyone bored enough, the coat looks like this: http://home.planet.nl/~pdavis/Doggett.htm Barbie.
Re: l337
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 10:37:48AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: At 10:28 30/05/01 +0100, you wrote: my name is jon i have installed an irc client on my linux shell account can u tell me where the c00lest irc places are like what server and channel and stuff u all use so i can learn PERL and hacking and stuff from l337 ppl like all u are. tx!! jon I think there is probably more we can learn from you Jon. Apparently my reputation on the list as a paragon of reason and eloquence isn't as widespread as I had assumed. I threw caution to the wind my ommitting a this post is ironical smiley to the end of my post. Alas, I am undone. Isn't it easier to admit I left my terminal unlocked? -Dom
Y::E accomodation
we were just talking on IRC and the subject of accomodation for YAPC::Europe came up again, it was previously discussed that a hotel in amsterdam would be better, for a few reasons, including going out in the evening, partners having something to do during the day, etc. now all we need is a volunteer to arrange and organise us all, someone who knows amsterdam so well they might form Amsterdam.pm .. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Y::E accomodation
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 12:53:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: we were just talking on IRC and the subject of accomodation for YAPC::Europe came up again, For those of us without the time for both the List and the IRC channel is there any chance of a summery about what the group plans are? Or is it a free for all? Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: Y::E accomodation
* Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 12:53:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: we were just talking on IRC and the subject of accomodation for YAPC::Europe came up again, For those of us without the time for both the List and the IRC channel is there any chance of a summery about what the group plans are? Or is it a free for all? there are no plans, and i'd rather not do this for several good reasons. however i've had a look over amsterdamn hotels, and the best option that will keep everyone happy appears to be going for a reasonable 3* or 4* hotel, that does tripple or quad rooms for people if they want to save a bit of cash the 2* hotels look a little grim and the better 4* hotels are pricey the sort of questions that whoever organises this needs to know is ... Who is going? and if you are going . What sort of room do you want? i.e. single double don't mind sharing with another don't mind sharing with 3 don't mind sharing with 4 What are you willing to pay per night? What do you require from the room? i.e. minibar safe TV shower bath jacuzzi What do you require from the hotel? i.e. bar pool gym if we get this , then someone that knows amsterdam can do the leg work -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Y::E accomodation
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2001 13:13 Subject: Re: Y::E accomodation * Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 12:53:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: we were just talking on IRC and the subject of accomodation for YAPC::Europe came up again, For those of us without the time for both the List and the IRC channel is there any chance of a summery about what the group plans are? Or is it a free for all? there are no plans, and i'd rather not do this for several good reasons. I'm not booking anything unless I have a ticket for the conference. I don't have a ticket because they aren't selling them yet. I am very close to not going at all now, as I have to plan a lot of other things for August. This is a shame as I really enjoyed it last year. /Robert
Re: Y::E accomodation
Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not booking anything unless I have a ticket for the conference. I don't have a ticket because they aren't selling them yet. I am very close to not going at all now, as I have to plan a lot of other things for August. This is a shame as I really enjoyed it last year. I'm about to abort my trip to the OSC. Too far, too expensive, not enough other things dovetail with it. Hamsterjam is still on though. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: Y::E accomodation
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2001 13:13 Subject: Re: Y::E accomodation * Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 12:53:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: we were just talking on IRC and the subject of accomodation for YAPC::Europe came up again, For those of us without the time for both the List and the IRC channel is there any chance of a summery about what the group plans are? Or is it a free for all? there are no plans, and i'd rather not do this for several good reasons. I'm not booking anything unless I have a ticket for the conference. i dont think that will be a problem this year -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: l337
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:22:43AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Apparently my reputation on the list as a paragon of reason and eloquence isn't as widespread as I had assumed. I threw caution to the wind my ommitting a this post is ironical smiley to the end of my post. Alas, I am undone. Isn't it easier to admit I left my terminal unlocked? aH bUt h33 d1d n0t!!! 3y3 0wn3d 4ll h15 b0x0rz 4nd sp4mm0rzd j00r 45535! bw4h4h4h4h4h4h4h4!111!!!1132j000 phr Martin with no such reputation whatsoever.
Re: Y::E accomodation
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: single double don't mind sharing with another don't mind sharing with 3 don't mind sharing with 4 What are you willing to pay per night? dunno if this is useful .. but if possible, try and avoid hotels that are only prepared to take bookings for 1 hour slots. -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: Y::E accomodation
dunno if this is useful .. but if possible, try and avoid hotels that are only prepared to take bookings for 1 hour slots. Indeed. I will probably use my usual hotel in Amsterdam as it is nice, quiet, 15 mins from the centre by Tram and (my favorite bit) - every room has a Jaccuzi[1]. Red [1] Which will only fit two.
Talks and Stuff
1.5 days left before the CFP closes. Is there is list of the applications that have been made? I have two possibles which I have written abstracts for but don't want to submit them both. I obviously want to submit the one with the least overlap with other talks. Regards, Red
Re: Y::E accomodation
* Redvers Davies ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: dunno if this is useful .. but if possible, try and avoid hotels that are only prepared to take bookings for 1 hour slots. Indeed. I will probably use my usual hotel in Amsterdam as it is nice, quiet, 15 mins from the centre by Tram and (my favorite bit) - every room has a Jaccuzi[1]. and the name of this hotel would be . ? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Talks and Stuff
Redvers Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1.5 days left before the CFP closes. Is there is list of the applications that have been made? I have two possibles which I have written abstracts for but don't want to submit them both. I obviously want to submit the one with the least overlap with other talks. I _think_ I've submitted, but I'm not sure! I filled in a form and everything but I've had no real affirmation -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Email::Valid
Has any one used this module at all? I just tried it and got some wierd results!!! It though the following where VALID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tricad@dial,pipex.com [EMAIL PROTECTED],co.uk enquiries@peter-il;land.co.uk martyn@the,coot.freeserveco.uk shirleyhemes@.uk.com [EMAIL PROTECTED],co.uk 3jsolution@.21.com paula,[EMAIL PROTECTED] ian,[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] and that this was INVALID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've tried [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it works fine I've tried the one's above that claim to be VALID and they all fail. Anyone else had this problem? Andy Talkie Toaster: Given that God is infinite, and that the Universe is also infinite, would you like a toasted tea cake?
Re: Email::Valid
Andy Williams wrote: Has any one used this module at all? How does it match up against tchrist's stuff? http://sunsite.lanet.lv/ftp/mirror/x2ftp/msdos/admtools/ckaddr -- simon wistowwireless systems coder i think, i said i think this is our fault.
Re: Email::Valid
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: Andy Williams wrote: Has any one used this module at all? How does it match up against tchrist's stuff? All the one's that claimed to be valid from E::V failed chaddr! [EMAIL PROTECTED] had this result from chaddr: user: andyw. is good host: hillway.com is good address `[EMAIL PROTECTED]' is bad: rfc822 failure So I guess [EMAIL PROTECTED] is invalid even though it works wierd! Thanks Andy
Re: Talks and Stuff
* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Dave Hodgkinson sent the following bits through the ether: Redvers Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there is list of the applications that have been made? I _think_ I've submitted, but I'm not sure! I filled in a form and everything but I've had no real affirmation 1) no you can't - but submit both anyway and let the organisers decide 2) there is no form - just an email address, huh? so we can just submit anything we like to the email address? how about an AVI of me doing my outline in the form of interpretive dance? what you mean no i can't? damn the ICA would of loved that one last year ;-)
Re: Email::Valid
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:40:03AM -0400, Andy Williams wrote: All the one's that claimed to be valid from E::V failed chaddr! [EMAIL PROTECTED] had this result from chaddr: user: andyw. is good host: hillway.com is good address `[EMAIL PROTECTED]' is bad: rfc822 failure So I guess [EMAIL PROTECTED] is invalid even though it works wierd! What is valid on the left hand side of an email address is extremely weird anyway. Practically anything is allowed. A pseudo grammar for them is in RFC822. There's also much fun trying to parse them in Friedl's book on regular expressions (the owl book). He ends up with a mammoth 5k regex to parse email addresses... -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: Email::Valid
* Andy Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: So I guess [EMAIL PROTECTED] is invalid even though it works wierd! its not the email address thats broken, its your SMTP server ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Email::Valid
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:02:11AM -0400, Andy Williams wrote: Has any one used this module at all? I just tried it and got some wierd results!!! It though the following where VALID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tricad@dial,pipex.com [EMAIL PROTECTED],co.uk enquiries@peter-il;land.co.uk martyn@the,coot.freeserveco.uk shirleyhemes@.uk.com [EMAIL PROTECTED],co.uk 3jsolution@.21.com paula,[EMAIL PROTECTED] ian,[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are correct in that these shouls all be invalid. and that this was INVALID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is. RFC822 S6.1 | local-part = word *(. word) ; uninterpreted | ; case-preserved and S3.3(reordered) for the definitions of word | word= atom / quoted-string | | atom= 1*any CHAR except specials, SPACE and CTLs | | quoted-string = *(qtext/quoted-pair) ; Regular qtext or | ; quoted chars. | | qtext = any CHAR excepting , ; = may be folded | \ CR, and including | linear-white-space | | specials= ( / ) / / / @ ; Must be in quoted- | / , / ; / : / \ / ; string, to use | / . / [ / ] ; within a word. | | CTL = any ASCII control ; ( 0- 37, 0.- 31.) | character and DEL ; (177, 127.) | | SPACE = ASCII SP, space; ( 40, 32.) | | CR = ASCII CR, carriage return ; ( 15, 13.) | | CHAR= any ASCII character; ( 0-177, 0.-127.) | | LWSP-char = SPACE / HTAB ; semantics = SPACE | | linear-white-space = 1*([CRLF] LWSP-char) ; semantics = SPACE | ; CRLF = folding | HTAB= ASCII HT, horizontal-tab ; ( 11, 9.) | | = ASCII quote mark ; ( 42, 34.) I've tried [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it works fine Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept I've tried the one's above that claim to be VALID and they all fail. They are all wrong. MBM
Re: Email::Valid
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Andy Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: So I guess [EMAIL PROTECTED] is invalid even though it works wierd! its not the email address thats broken, its your SMTP server ;-) Could be right it's sendmail :( Andy
Re: Email::Valid
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:49:06AM -0400, Andy Williams wrote: On Wed, 30 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Andy Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: So I guess [EMAIL PROTECTED] is invalid even though it works wierd! its not the email address thats broken, its your SMTP server ;-) Could be right it's sendmail :( Exim allows it too, surprisingly. I don't know about qm**l or postfix. of course, andyw.@hillway.com is actually valid. :) MBM
Re: Email::Valid
This man is not guilty of manslaughter, he is only guilty of being Arnold J. Rimmer. That is his crime... it is also his punishment. On Wed, 30 May 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: snip You are correct in that these shouls all be invalid. Great. and that this was INVALID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is. Damn another snip Thanks for the RFC... I think! Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept I will... Andy
RE: Email::Valid
Hello, This can be found in the Owl book - Mastering Regular Expressions or on the web at: http://public.yahoo.com/~jfriedl/regex/code.html. If you try running these valid emails through this bit of code is says they are all invalid... Cheers, Adrian -Original Message- From: Dominic Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Email::Valid On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:40:03AM -0400, Andy Williams wrote: All the one's that claimed to be valid from E::V failed chaddr! [EMAIL PROTECTED] had this result from chaddr: user: andyw. is good host: hillway.com is good address `[EMAIL PROTECTED]' is bad: rfc822 failure So I guess [EMAIL PROTECTED] is invalid even though it works wierd! What is valid on the left hand side of an email address is extremely weird anyway. Practically anything is allowed. A pseudo grammar for them is in RFC822. There's also much fun trying to parse them in Friedl's book on regular expressions (the owl book). He ends up with a mammoth 5k regex to parse email addresses... -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. | The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: Email::Valid
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:56:56AM -0400, Andy Williams wrote: On Wed, 30 May 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: snip You are correct in that these shouls all be invalid. Great. and that this was INVALID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is. Damn another snip Thanks for the RFC... I think! :) Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept I will... Sorry, that wasn't to you, so much as why the mailer accepts it. It is something occasionally seen, mostly the people I've seen doing it are spammers, and should therefore die anyway. A quick test shows that SAUCE doesn't like it, although I'm going to have to file a bug report against SAUCE as it doesn't deal properly with quoting, it accepts the quoted version, though. :) MBM
Re: Email::Valid
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:56:56AM -0400, Andy Williams wrote: On Wed, 30 May 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: snip You are correct in that these shouls all be invalid. Great. and that this was INVALID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is. Damn another snip Thanks for the RFC... I think! :) Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept I will... Sorry, that wasn't to you, so much as why the mailer accepts it. It is something occasionally seen, mostly the people I've seen doing it are spammers, and should therefore die anyway. A quick test shows that SAUCE doesn't like it, although I'm going to have to file a bug report against SAUCE as it doesn't deal properly with quoting, it accepts the quoted version, though. :) Suprise, suprise... MS Exchange excepts it! Andy
Re: Email::Valid
From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:45 PM
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:40:03AM -0400, Andy Williams wrote:
All the one's that claimed to be valid from E::V failed chaddr!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] had this result from chaddr:
user: andyw. is good
host: hillway.com is good
address `[EMAIL PROTECTED]' is bad: rfc822 failure
So I guess [EMAIL PROTECTED] is invalid even though it works wierd!
What is valid on the left hand side of an email address is extremely
weird anyway. Practically anything is allowed. A pseudo grammar for
them is in RFC822. There's also much fun trying to parse them in
Friedl's book on regular expressions (the owl book). He ends up with a
mammoth 5k regex to parse email addresses...
-Dom
Having just had a look at E::V it looks like the module is using the
'mammoth 5k regex'. I prefer the regex that is given in CGI Programming
with Perl. This regex is designed to accept the more common address
formats.
RFC822 will allow all of the following (taken from CGI Programming with
Perl) and was designed to accept all the addresses in use in 1982:
Alfred Neuman Neuman@BBN-TENEXA
:sysmail@ Some-Group. Some-Org
Muhammed.(I am the greatest) Ali @(the)vegas.WBA
I have checked the following code against the original test cases which
originally returned as valid and none of the list are considered valid.
sub IsValidAddress {
my $addr_to_check = shift;
$addr_to_check =~ s/((?:[^\\]|\\.)*|[^\t ]*)[ \t]*/$1/g;
my $esc= '';
my$space = '\040';
m $ctrl= '\000-\037';
my $dot= '\.';
my $nonASCII = '\x80-\xff';
my $CRlist = '\012\015';
my $letter = 'a-zA-Z';
my $digit = '\d';
my $atom_char = qq{ [^$space\@,;:.\\[\\]$esc$ctrl$nonASCII] };
my $atom= qq{ $atom_char+ };
my $byte= qq{ (?: 1?$digit?$digit |
2[0-4]$digit |
25[0-5]) };
my $qtext = qq{ [^$esc$nonASCII$CRlist] };
my $quoted_pair = qq{ $esc [^$nonASCII] };
my $quoted_str = qq{ (?: $qtext | $quoted_pair )* };
my $word= qq{ (?: $atom | $quoted_str ) };
my $ip_address = qq{ \\[ $byte (?: $dot $byte ){3} \\] };
my $sub_domain = qq{ [$letter$digit]
[$letter$digit-]{0,61}
[$letter$digit]};
my $top_level = qq{ (?: $atom_char ){2,4} };
my $domain_name = qq{ (?: $sub_domain $dot )+ $top_level };
my $domain = qq{ (?: $domain_name | $ip_address ) };
my $local_part = qq{ $word (?: $dot $word )* };
my $address= qq{ $local_part \@ $domain };
return $addr_to_check =~ /^$address$/ox ? $addr_to_check : ;
}
Hope this helps,
Matt
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Re: Email::Valid
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:14:15PM +0100, Matthew Robinson wrote: [IsValidAddress sub, which was built from the RFC822 grammar...] Unfortunately, a fair few mailers don't allow IP literals as valid domain-parts anymore, due to abuse. MBM
Re: Talks and Stuff
Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2) there is no form - just an email address, huh? OK, getting confused with Apachecon. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
[ANNOUNCE] Attribute::Util 0.02
NAME
Attribute::Util - A selection of general-utility attributes
SYNOPSIS
use Attribute::Util;
# Alias
sub color : Alias(colour) { return 'red' }
# Abstract
package MyObj;
sub new { ... }
sub somesub: Abstract;
package MyObj::Better;
use base 'MyObj';
sub somesub { return I'm implemented! }
# Memoize
sub fib :Memoize {
my $n = shift;
return $n if $n 2;
fib($n-1) + fib($n-2);
}
$|++;
print fib($_),\n for 1..50;
# SigHandler
sub myalrm : SigHandler(ALRM, VTALRM) { ... }
sub mywarn : SigHandler(__WARN__) { ... }
DESCRIPTION
This module provides four universally accessible attributes of general
interest:
Memoize
This attribute makes it slightly easier (and modern) to memoize a
function by providing an attribute, `:Memoize' that makes it
unnecessary for you to explicitly call `Memoize::memoize()'. Options
can be passed via the attribute per usual (see the
`Attribute::Handlers' manpage for details, and the `Memoize' manpage
for information on memoizing options):
sub f :Memoize(NORMALIZER = 'main::normalize_f') {
...
}
However, since the call to `memoize()' is now done in a different
package, it is necessary to include the package name in any function
names passed as options to the attribute, as shown above.
Abstract
Declaring a subroutine to be abstract using this attribute causes a
call to it to die with a suitable exception. Subclasses are expected
to implement the abstract method.
Using the attribute makes it visually distinctive that a method is
abstract, as opposed to declaring it without any attribute or method
body, or providing a method body that might make it look as though
it was implemented after all.
Alias
If you need a variable or subroutine to be known by another name,
use this attribute. Internally, the attribute's handler assigns
typeglobs to each other. As such, the `Alias' attribute provides a
layer of abstraction. If the underlying mechanism changes in a
future version of Perl (say, one that might not have the concept of
typeglobs anymore :), a new version of this module will take care of
that, but your `Alias' declarations are going to stay the same.
Note that assigning typeglobs means that you can't specify a synonym
for one element of the glob and use the same synonym for a different
target name in a different slot. I.e.,
sub color :Alias(colour) { ... }
my $farbe :Alias(colour);
doesn't make sense, since the sub declaration aliases the whole
`colour' glob to `color', but then the scalar declaration aliases
the whole `colour' glob to `farbe', so the first alias is lost.
SigHandler
When used on a subroutine, this attribute declares that subroutine
to be a signal handler for the signal(s) given as options for this
attribute. It thereby frees you from the implementation details of
defining sig handlers and keeps the handler definitions where they
belong, namely with the handler subroutine.
BUGS
None known so far. If you find any bugs or oddities, please do inform
the author.
AUTHOR
Marcel Grunauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
COPYRIGHT
Copyright 2001 Marcel Grunauer. All rights reserved.
This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
under the same terms as Perl itself.
SEE ALSO
perl(1), Attribute::Handlers(3pm), Memoize(3pm).
Marcel
--
We are Perl. Your table will be assimilated. Your waiter will adapt to
service us. Surrender your beer. Resistance is futile.
-- London.pm strategy aka embrace and extend aka mark and sweep
[ANNOUNCE] Attribute::Overload 0.02
NAME
Attribute::Overload - Attribute that makes overloading easier
SYNOPSIS
use Attribute::Overload;
sub add : Overload(+) { ... }
DESCRIPTION
The `Overload' attribute, when used on a subroutine, declares that
subroutine as handler in the current package for the operation(s)
indicated by the attribute options. Thus it frees you from the
implementation details of how to declare overloads and keeps the
definitions where they belong, with the operation handlers.
For details of which operations can be overloaded and what the
overloading function gets passed see the `overload' manpage.
Note that you can't overload constants this way, since this has to
happen during BEGIN time, but attributes are only evaluated at CHECK
time (at least as far as `Attribute::Handlers' is concerned).
BUGS
None known so far. If you find any bugs or oddities, please do inform
the author.
AUTHOR
Marcel Grunauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
COPYRIGHT
Copyright 2001 Marcel Grunauer. All rights reserved.
This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
under the same terms as Perl itself.
SEE ALSO
perl(1), overload(3pm), Attribute::Handlers(3pm).
Marcel
--
We are Perl. Your table will be assimilated. Your waiter will adapt to
service us. Surrender your beer. Resistance is futile.
-- London.pm strategy aka embrace and extend aka mark and sweep
Re: bad greg
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:27:19AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: i'm sorry about asking this, but i've purged too many old archives of london.pm to find this one - someone one once mentioned a domain name registry with a neat web based management system for handling the dns wizardry afterwards - could they please remind me of the url? www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk FreeBSD users, Debian committers, OpenSRS registry (can do .co.uk's too), recommended to me by Mr Couzens, at least one other person on this list co-los with them, they have clue, all-round nice guys. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford Managing Director, Yet Another Computer Solutions Company Limited [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.yacsc.com
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 10:00:05AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: Was meandering aimlessly round by Southwark/ Blackfriar's Bridge/ Tate Modern area last night and ended up in a very nice pub by the river called Doggets Coat and Badge. I have the manager's business card at home. Nice beer (Speckled Hen, IPA, Pride), quiet, by the river, tasteful decor, few stairs, mercifully Barley free. Named after the oldest rowing race in the world (or vice versa) which started in 1721 and is still raced today. Only one question food? Neil. -- Neil C. Ford Managing Director, Yet Another Computer Solutions Company Limited [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.yacsc.com
Re: bad greg
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:09:28PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:55:39PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: Mr Couzens Die, alien slime! My apologies was typed in a hurry on a tube train and I didn't double check before it got sent when I got home. 100 x I must check the spelling of people's surnames before hitting send Neil. -- Neil C. Ford Managing Director, Yet Another Computer Solutions Company Limited [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.yacsc.com
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
* Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 10:00:05AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: Was meandering aimlessly round by Southwark/ Blackfriar's Bridge/ Tate Modern area last night and ended up in a very nice pub by the river called Doggets Coat and Badge. I have the manager's business card at home. Nice beer (Speckled Hen, IPA, Pride), quiet, by the river, tasteful decor, few stairs, mercifully Barley free. Named after the oldest rowing race in the world (or vice versa) which started in 1721 and is still raced today. Only one question food? this is going to be a stickler, its a case of we can't yet find the perfect pub for everyone. so from now on i recommend the following measuring system, one point for each Y/N category, half a point if its uncertain Good Beer? Nice surroundings (beer garden in summer/open fire in winter)? Food that can be ate in bar? Lots of seating? Quiet (i.e. you can hear each other talk)? Central to ``business'' London? with this scale, Penderels scores 0,0,1,1,0.5,1 = 3.5 Anchor scores ... 1,1,0,1,0.5,0 = 3.5 which seems fair to me, what we need to do is find somewhere with a higher score, so that all parties are happy, sound good? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
