Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Piers Cawley
Matthew Byng-Maddick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 14 May 2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:13PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: Well one advantage of BP or Shell is if you don't like either company then you can simply choose not to purchase their products. So

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I respectfully suggest that we don't train the little buggers in schools. We teach them stuff. Wrong. We show them how to learn. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 14/5/01 9:24 pm, Robin Szemeti wrote: What the hell happened to the youth that did amusing things with steam engines, collected stamps and had a chemistry set? .. give a 16 year old a chemistry set today and they'd try and inject it. They seem to have taken anything remotely fun out of

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Martin Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Exactly. This is the same population that brought you 'Hey, why are there loads of schools with below average results!' That was a direct quote. Tory education minister. We want to raise standard so that more than half of schools get above average

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Piers Cawley
Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 02:10:56PM -0400, Piers Cawley wrote: And while I'm about it, can I please kill anyone who complains that our universities are 'too elitist?'. Excuse me? I thought that was the whole point. Oh, that's easy. - Being

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Piers Cawley
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Exactly. This is the same population that brought you 'Hey, why are there loads of schools with below average results!' That was a direct quote. Tory education minister. We want to raise standard so that

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 06:10:12PM -0400, Piers Cawley wrote: Well, it's thinking like that that keeps the skills gap nice and wide. Hmm... can't be all bad then. Better to quietly allow immigrants across the border, put them in an immigration armlock and then turn a blind eye to them be

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Mon, 14 May 2001, you wrote: But it does mean you need some really AWFUL schools to pull the average down... AIUI suitable arrangments have been put in place to enable this to happen. -- Robin Szemeti The box said requires windows 95 or better So I installed Linux!

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Piers Cawley
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 14 May 2001, you wrote: But it does mean you need some really AWFUL schools to pull the average down... AIUI suitable arrangments have been put in place to enable this to happen. I intended to leave that implicit. -- Piers Cawley

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton
Paul Makepeace [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: *``BOFHs will legally need licence to work'' * *http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/18866.html * *Absurd, laughable and bizarre. What *is* wrong with the UK? I interviewed for a firewall admin job at a big bank whereupon they took a microscope to the

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:30:31AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/18866.html Absurd, laughable and bizarre. What *is* wrong with the UK? Don't ask me, you elected 'em. And it looks like you're all stupid enough to do it *again*. -- Pray to God, but keep

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Dave Cross
At 15:27 13/05/2001, Simon Cozens wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:30:31AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/18866.html Absurd, laughable and bizarre. What *is* wrong with the UK? Don't ask me, you elected 'em. And it looks like you're all stupid enough to

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At 15:27 13/05/2001, Simon Cozens wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:30:31AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/18866.html Absurd, laughable and bizarre. What *is* wrong with the UK? Don't ask me, you elected 'em.

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread David Cantrell
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 03:45:21PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: But given that the Socialist Alliance are only standing in ~100 constituencies, there doesn't seem to be any credible alternative. http://www.socialistalliance.net/constituencies/constitlist.htm for the complete list. -- David

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Greg McCarroll
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 03:45:21PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: But given that the Socialist Alliance are only standing in ~100 constituencies, there doesn't seem to be any credible alternative.

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread David Cantrell
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:22:49PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok i reserve the right to quit this thread at any time, however But hasn't `new' labour's example shown that there is no place for socialism in modern government? Hasn't their move to capitalism been really a well spun

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:22:49PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: How can any socialist not feel that when it came to the crunch socialism was rejected by intelligent people who understood its principals and benefits intimitadly because they could see it would not work for modern Britain? Which

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:35:24PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Do the Lib Dems think along these lines? No-one knows cos the LDs have never seemed to have any policies ever. Actually, I like the idea of parties which don't have any policies. They're supposed to represent what we tell them to

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Dave Cross
At 17:22 13/05/2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 03:45:21PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: But given that the Socialist Alliance are only standing in ~100 constituencies, there doesn't seem to be any credible alternative.

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:22:49PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: How can any socialist not feel that when it came to the crunch socialism was rejected by intelligent people who understood its principals and benefits intimitadly because they could

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Dave Cross
At 17:38 13/05/2001, Simon Cozens wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:22:49PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: How can any socialist not feel that when it came to the crunch socialism was rejected by intelligent people who understood its principals and benefits intimitadly because they could

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've gathered from the conversations I've had with people here, the vast majority of us tend towards the left[1]. I'm not sure i tend to either side, i don't really like the party system of being a named outlook on the world. But i don't have

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Martin Ling
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:42:00PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:35:24PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Do the Lib Dems think along these lines? No-one knows cos the LDs have never seemed to have any policies ever. Actually, I like the idea of parties which don't

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 06:30:44PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: Hey, what if we had a system where we just elected a *candidate* we liked, like one for each local area or something? Pretty crazy, huh? Democracy? In this country? It wouldn't work. Democracy is overrated. I think a meritocracy is

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Martin Ling ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:42:00PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:35:24PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Do the Lib Dems think along these lines? No-one knows cos the LDs have never seemed to have any policies ever.

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Martin Ling
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 06:38:45PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: Democracy is overrated. I think a meritocracy is needed. Perhaps measured by Perl competence. It's a fairly well-arguable stance that *any* form of meritocracy is a reasonable system - certainly an improvement on, for example, a

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Martin Ling
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 06:44:07PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Hey, what if we had a system where we just elected a *candidate* we liked, like one for each local area or something? Pretty crazy, huh? It'll never work remember the people outside the M25 get a vote as well, and we don't

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