Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-05 Thread Greg Mirsky
Hi Aijun, thank you for posting the crucial questions. I think that we need to consider a construct analogous to the Ethernet OAM's Maintenance Association. We may refer to it, for now, as EVPN MA and it includes all PEs that belong to a given EVPN. If that is the case, the news of a PE being

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-05 Thread Aijun Wang
Hi, Robert and Greg: The reason that we select the IGP for advertising such “important bad news” is that the potential receivers located in the same IGP as ABR. The nodes within the IGP are all potential receiver for such news, then it is efficient to advertise them via IGP. Using other OAM

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-05 Thread Robert Raszuk
Gyan, Everyone agrees that indicating down events is a good thing. Please observe that the discussion is about how to do it, not if to do it. There is nothing similar in mechanics of local protection (RFC8679) and ingress protection (this discussion). Just like local repair works very

Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attributes-02

2022-01-05 Thread Aijun Wang
Hi, Peter: Aijun Wang China Telecom > On Jan 5, 2022, at 23:57, Peter Psenak > wrote: > > Aijun, > >> On 05/01/2022 16:20, Aijun Wang wrote: >> [WAJ] The above remote information must be configured manually on the local >> device. It is paired by manual. Thinking there are many links among

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-05 Thread Gyan Mishra
Hi Robert The goal of the draft is providing egress protection when summarization is used similar to RFC 8679 Egress protection framework, but without the complexities. An IGP RIB within a domain is made up on connected interfaces and loopbacks. Of the two types, the critical prefix to be

Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attributes-02

2022-01-05 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
I'm not aware of any IPR. Thanks, Acee On 1/4/22, 2:04 AM, "Christian Hopps" wrote: Hi Folks, This begins a 2 week WG Adoption Call for the following draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attributes/ Please indicate your support or objections by

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-05 Thread Greg Mirsky
Hi Aijun, thank you for pointing that out. I agree that in some deployment scenarios, only a subset of PEs will be required to be monitored by an ABR. But, as I look at the problem, the general use case should be the worst case scenario, i.e., all PEs in the area being monitored. Just to be

Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attributes-02

2022-01-05 Thread Peter Psenak
Aijun, On 05/01/2022 16:20, Aijun Wang wrote: [WAJ] The above remote information must be configured manually on the local device. It is paired by manual. Thinking there are many links among the ASBRs, would you like to configure them manually for every remote ends on each link? We are

Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attributes-02

2022-01-05 Thread Aijun Wang
Hi, Peter: Aijun Wang China Telecom > On Jan 5, 2022, at 21:54, Peter Psenak > wrote: > > Hi Aijun, > > please see inline (##PP): > >> On 05/01/2022 13:01, Aijun Wang wrote: >> Hi, Peter: >> Thanks for your comments. >> Please see replies inline. >> Aijun Wang >> China Telecom On Jan

Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attributes-02

2022-01-05 Thread Peter Psenak
Hi Aijun, please see inline (##PP): On 05/01/2022 13:01, Aijun Wang wrote: Hi, Peter: Thanks for your comments. Please see replies inline. Aijun Wang China Telecom On Jan 5, 2022, at 18:45, Peter Psenak wrote: Hi, I'm afraid the draft has some serious issues that would need to be

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-05 Thread Robert Raszuk
> same happens without a pulse today without a summarization We have established that this discussion is about this scenario: " it's applicable in cases where summarization is used." and in such cases under some scenarios PULSES can actually make things worse. The goal is (or should be) not to

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-05 Thread Peter Psenak
Robert, On 05/01/2022 12:57, Robert Raszuk wrote: if the router supports NSR or NSF such event will be invisible to other routers, including ABR. Without these mechanisms the neighboring routers would tear down the adjacency anyway. So are you going to add to the draft special

Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attributes-02

2022-01-05 Thread Aijun Wang
Hi, Peter: Thanks for your comments. Please see replies inline. Aijun Wang China Telecom > On Jan 5, 2022, at 18:45, Peter Psenak > wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm afraid the draft has some serious issues that would need to be addressed > if it is to become a WG document. > > Below comments use

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-05 Thread Robert Raszuk
> > if the router supports NSR or NSF such event will be invisible to other > routers, including ABR. Without these mechanisms the neighboring routers > would tear down the adjacency anyway. > So are you going to add to the draft special handling in this case ? There is difference between losing

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-05 Thread Peter Psenak
Robert, On 05/01/2022 12:27, Robert Raszuk wrote: Peter, Two other points .. #1 - Imagine PE is performing control plane restart or ISSU. How ABR will be able to detect this and instead of keep the potential disruption local to the area ? Note that data plane of the PE is working all the

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-05 Thread Robert Raszuk
Peter, Two other points .. #1 - Imagine PE is performing control plane restart or ISSU. How ABR will be able to detect this and instead of keep the potential disruption local to the area ? Note that data plane of the PE is working all the time just fine. #2 - The PULSE expiration timer may be

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-05 Thread Robert Raszuk
Peter, Two other points .. #1 - Imagine PE ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr

Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attributes-02

2022-01-05 Thread Peter Psenak
Hi, I'm afraid the draft has some serious issues that would need to be addressed if it is to become a WG document. Below comments use ISIS as an example, but most of it applies to OSPF as well. 1. The draft says: "ISIS[RFC5316] defines the Inter-AS Reachability TLV to carry the TE

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-05 Thread Peter Psenak
Robert, On 04/01/2022 20:05, Robert Raszuk wrote: no. It's a limit not a delay. That is directly contradicting the message from Les stating that this is going to be a rate limit not cut out. */"[LES2:] It is reasonable to limit the rate of pulses sent. "/* If too many edge nodes

Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attributes-02

2022-01-05 Thread Huzhibo
Hi, WG: This draft provides a way to advertise the stub link and their associated attributes. I support its adoption as a co-author. I am not aware of any IPR that related to this draft. Best Regards Zhibo hu -Original Message- From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of