Re: [LUAU] Seeking On-Island Consultant
First off I don't argue the point that non-windows support is variable within UH. One issue is the image tinkerers have given to managerial types and have contributed to admins being wary of the so called hacker community. Not true, but perception is a problem. Also most UH admins haven't been exposed to professional *nix support folks. I've hired some extremely buttoned down *nix engineers for gov projects, and the flag officers were impressed. Why do you think IBM, EDS, PRC,AMS and the rest of the Beltway bandits all have dress codes? (I'm ex AMS and a past computer scientist for a federal agency) Now having said that, the other side of the coin is the heavy *nix support at SOEST to the point that I have support from the soest deans office for running our mirror site. College of Ed is also heavy *nix down to running open stack and a ldap authenticated directory system. I personally support appropriate technology and run almost every OS available, well that's exaggerating, but I do run quite a few. Just ask Warren Mr. Fedora Togami on how mixed up my lab is, after all, that undergrad project got housed out of my lab. So let me make some suggestions. If you want more *nix support, yell for it. Don't just suffer in silence. ITS doesn't respond to rants, they respond to well written calm and factual emails and letters. Your signature says you're at leeward. Two of my ex students are Petersen Gross and Blanca Polo. Both are heavy *nix folks. Maybe you folks might want to consider doing brown bag sessions on topic and make sure you invite your support folks. Nothing says I'm serious like a boot strap effort. I also have a LISTSERV going called UHM-netadmin to help share info for network administrators. Heck I'm even trying to get brown bags rolling again on advanced networking topics. I plan on having remote access for the outer island folks. So stop and put yourself in your support staff's shoes. If they have a tiny budget, they have to cherry pick what they spend their training dollars on. If there are a growing number of *nix users on your campus, it's in your IT group's best interest to hire folks with *nix skills. To be blunt, IT folks all over the world are short on budget, and short on time...don't expect them to read minds, be nice and ask them to consider new hires with more *nix skills. Lastly, remember that the HR rules at UH makes it very difficult to hire talent and compete with the private sector. There is still a shortage of skilled *nix sysadmins and UH is rarely going to win against a corporation for talent. Be nice to the folks you have and let them know that you're teaching and/or research needs *nix and you'd be more supportive of their wish lists if they pay attention to yours. As a side note, UH sysadmin pay is less than half what is being offered on the mainland, and perhaps 30% lower than positions in places like the UC system, more if you compare to Stanford. Those places also have more support for supervisors to give their technical staff release time to participate in things like *nix user groups, IETF, IEEE, etc. Lastly, that call for an on island consultant was filled by one of my students...so even though I couldn't help him on SOEST time, we did find him on campus help. Sincerely, Brian Chee Sent from my iPad On Jan 28, 2015, at 9:08 PM, James A Stroble stro...@hawaii.edu wrote: On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 22:23:00 -1000 Brian Chee c...@hawaii.edu wrote: They really ought to contact their college support folks. Soest, CBA. Coll of Ed, trop AG, med school, all have their own internal it support. Brian chee As I am sure you are aware, Brian, support for free software is spotty across the UH system. I have tech support people that want to help me use my iWhatever, for teaching! And they are definitely hostile to free software. Your advice is of course correct, this is the first place they should go. But the fact is that most of UH's IT is occupied by people with MSCEs, and that is not only sad, it is positively evil. Where should they go when offical support has been taken over by the enemy? [Side note: is anyone interesting in reviving LUAU? Not on any grand scale, just having meetings once in a while, some resources on-line for the islands, and so forth? Proposals are welcome!] Yours, James Andy Stroble Leeward Community College ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Seeking On-Island Consultant
On 1/29/2015 11:00 AM, al plant wrote: Jeff Mings wrote: Interesting question about reviving LUAU, James. I attended LUAU meetings back when they were held in the Manoa Innovation Center. I remember how things were mostly interesting, but I realize that the way we seek information and collaborate has changed completely. Most of the LUAU list subscribers are probably very good at finding the info they need about new stuff. We tend to be the ones who furnish answers and solutions to our clients, and are used to googling info, supporting our users/clients via remote control, and managing servers that we've never even touched. We don't need the physical meetings as much, and we tend to interact with other Linux users on an international scale, rather than in our own town. Having monthly LUAU meetings could be interesting, but I'm not really sure how many people would show up on a regular basis. We've all become too good at working in the virtual world. :) On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:08 PM, James A Stroble stro...@hawaii.edu wrote: On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 22:23:00 -1000 Brian Chee c...@hawaii.edu wrote: They really ought to contact their college support folks. Soest, CBA. Coll of Ed, trop AG, med school, all have their own internal it support. Brian chee As I am sure you are aware, Brian, support for free software is spotty across the UH system. I have tech support people that want to help me use my iWhatever, for teaching! And they are definitely hostile to free software. Your advice is of course correct, this is the first place they should go. But the fact is that most of UH's IT is occupied by people with MSCEs, and that is not only sad, it is positively evil. Where should they go when offical support has been taken over by the enemy? [Side note: is anyone interesting in reviving LUAU? Not on any grand scale, just having meetings once in a while, some resources on-line for the islands, and so forth? Proposals are welcome!] Yours, James Andy Stroble Leeward Community College ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org Aloha Guys... I was in LUAU in the days when Jeff and Warren were and we had meetings at several venues that were well attended. I think that after-work traffic buildup in Honolulu contributed to the fade out of the live meetings. It would be interesting to have a revival meeting at Leeward College perhaps. Just to see who shows up. My involvement is in networking and FreeBSD Unix mostly and help is from the FreeBSD group world wide on line. The only live meeting I have been to in the last 6 years is one in Chana Crete (Greece) . Went there on a visit and the local Unix /Linux club invited me to a meeting. The language is (mostly ) English btw, same as on line. :) ~ Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 ~ Supporting FreeBSD - UNIX Computer O/S email: n...@hdk5.net email: alplant.att.net .All that's really worth doing is what we do for others - Lewis Carrol ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org Aloha all, For my small part I would be very interested in meetings held on the leeward side of the island. Dealing with the drive time issues of getting into and out of town from Ewa Beach were always way too much for me... Jack ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Seeking On-Island Consultant
Jeff Mings wrote: Interesting question about reviving LUAU, James. I attended LUAU meetings back when they were held in the Manoa Innovation Center. I remember how things were mostly interesting, but I realize that the way we seek information and collaborate has changed completely. Most of the LUAU list subscribers are probably very good at finding the info they need about new stuff. We tend to be the ones who furnish answers and solutions to our clients, and are used to googling info, supporting our users/clients via remote control, and managing servers that we've never even touched. We don't need the physical meetings as much, and we tend to interact with other Linux users on an international scale, rather than in our own town. Having monthly LUAU meetings could be interesting, but I'm not really sure how many people would show up on a regular basis. We've all become too good at working in the virtual world. :) On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:08 PM, James A Stroble stro...@hawaii.edu wrote: On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 22:23:00 -1000 Brian Chee c...@hawaii.edu wrote: They really ought to contact their college support folks. Soest, CBA. Coll of Ed, trop AG, med school, all have their own internal it support. Brian chee As I am sure you are aware, Brian, support for free software is spotty across the UH system. I have tech support people that want to help me use my iWhatever, for teaching! And they are definitely hostile to free software. Your advice is of course correct, this is the first place they should go. But the fact is that most of UH's IT is occupied by people with MSCEs, and that is not only sad, it is positively evil. Where should they go when offical support has been taken over by the enemy? [Side note: is anyone interesting in reviving LUAU? Not on any grand scale, just having meetings once in a while, some resources on-line for the islands, and so forth? Proposals are welcome!] Yours, James Andy Stroble Leeward Community College ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org Aloha Guys... I was in LUAU in the days when Jeff and Warren were and we had meetings at several venues that were well attended. I think that after-work traffic buildup in Honolulu contributed to the fade out of the live meetings. It would be interesting to have a revival meeting at Leeward College perhaps. Just to see who shows up. My involvement is in networking and FreeBSD Unix mostly and help is from the FreeBSD group world wide on line. The only live meeting I have been to in the last 6 years is one in Chana Crete (Greece) . Went there on a visit and the local Unix /Linux club invited me to a meeting. The language is (mostly ) English btw, same as on line. :) ~ Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 ~ Supporting FreeBSD - UNIX Computer O/S email: n...@hdk5.net email: alplant.att.net .All that's really worth doing is what we do for others - Lewis Carrol ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Seeking On-Island Consultant
Aloha all, For my small part I would be very interested in meetings held on the leeward side of the island. Dealing with the drive time issues of getting into and out of town from Ewa Beach were always way too much for me... Jack My office is in Halawa Valley and our conference room can comfortably seat 10 people. Overflow it could handle 20 people. I would be willing to host a gathering. We could all bring our own food and eat during a presentation. -Matt ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Seeking On-Island Consultant
They really ought to contact their college support folks. Soest, CBA. Coll of Ed, trop AG, med school, all have their own internal it support. Brian chee Sent from my iPad On Jan 27, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Richard Scott Belford sc...@belford.net wrote: Greetings I was recently contacted by a UH Professor running an Ubuntu-based web server. An upgrade went awry due to a power failure, and he is now unable to boot. ITS will not help him, so he contacted me seeking help. It is not possible for me to make an onsite visit as requested. Is there anyone willing to help. I am not certain if he is seeking volunteer/community assistance, or if he is able to compensate you for your time. Please contact me, or reply in-thread, if you are willing or able. --scott ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Seeking On-Island Consultant
Interesting question about reviving LUAU, James. I attended LUAU meetings back when they were held in the Manoa Innovation Center. I remember how things were mostly interesting, but I realize that the way we seek information and collaborate has changed completely. Most of the LUAU list subscribers are probably very good at finding the info they need about new stuff. We tend to be the ones who furnish answers and solutions to our clients, and are used to googling info, supporting our users/clients via remote control, and managing servers that we've never even touched. We don't need the physical meetings as much, and we tend to interact with other Linux users on an international scale, rather than in our own town. Having monthly LUAU meetings could be interesting, but I'm not really sure how many people would show up on a regular basis. We've all become too good at working in the virtual world. :) On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:08 PM, James A Stroble stro...@hawaii.edu wrote: On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 22:23:00 -1000 Brian Chee c...@hawaii.edu wrote: They really ought to contact their college support folks. Soest, CBA. Coll of Ed, trop AG, med school, all have their own internal it support. Brian chee As I am sure you are aware, Brian, support for free software is spotty across the UH system. I have tech support people that want to help me use my iWhatever, for teaching! And they are definitely hostile to free software. Your advice is of course correct, this is the first place they should go. But the fact is that most of UH's IT is occupied by people with MSCEs, and that is not only sad, it is positively evil. Where should they go when offical support has been taken over by the enemy? [Side note: is anyone interesting in reviving LUAU? Not on any grand scale, just having meetings once in a while, some resources on-line for the islands, and so forth? Proposals are welcome!] Yours, James Andy Stroble Leeward Community College ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Seeking On-Island Consultant
On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 22:23:00 -1000 Brian Chee c...@hawaii.edu wrote: They really ought to contact their college support folks. Soest, CBA. Coll of Ed, trop AG, med school, all have their own internal it support. Brian chee As I am sure you are aware, Brian, support for free software is spotty across the UH system. I have tech support people that want to help me use my iWhatever, for teaching! And they are definitely hostile to free software. Your advice is of course correct, this is the first place they should go. But the fact is that most of UH's IT is occupied by people with MSCEs, and that is not only sad, it is positively evil. Where should they go when offical support has been taken over by the enemy? [Side note: is anyone interesting in reviving LUAU? Not on any grand scale, just having meetings once in a while, some resources on-line for the islands, and so forth? Proposals are welcome!] Yours, James Andy Stroble Leeward Community College ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
