Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] quick run of lubuntu a3

[Chow Loong Jin]

On Sunday 28,February,2010 10:48 AM, Lee Briggs wrote:
> I think I've said this before, but is there any reason we couldn't give
> mono-paint a try?
> 
> Its a paint.net  clone, unfortunately its written in
> mono, but its still pretty damn good for its size..
> 
> http://code.google.com/p/paint-mono/

Mono is a runtime/interpreter for CLI bytecode, not a language. You really mean
C#, but there's really nothing wrong with it being written in C#. The real
problem is that we are past FeatureFreeze and nobody has packaged it for
Debian/Ubuntu just yet, so it is not in the archives and will not be entering 
Lucid.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] One thing about menu-cache 0.3.2 to mention

[PCMan]

Although I changed soname properly, coexistence of 0.3.2 and 0.2.x is
not possible.
They share the same daemon but in these two versions the daemons use
different IPC protocol.
So mixing those two will result in crashes.
Please make packages for menu-cache 0.3.2 and older versions conflict.
LXpanel should work with 0.3.2.
LXLauncher in git can work, but the previously released old tarballs won't.
So, I'd like to request another exception for LXLauncher, too.
Besides, many blog posts related to Lubuntu mentioned netbook mode.
It's an interesting features getting much attention.
Lacking theming support can make the first impression and
user-experience really bad.
Since this is the first public release of Lubuntu, this is quite crucial.
So, if theming support can be finished in time, I hope there can be an
exception for lxlauncher, too.

Thanks in advance.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] RTL issue

[PCMan]

>From some screenshot googled from internet, I noticed that pcmanfm2
desktop manager + lxpanel have RTL issues.
I really did some RTL handling in pcmanfm2, but it doesn't seem to
work correctly?

The screenshot:
http://arabicfoss.blogspot.com/2010/02/lubuntu-1004.html

Can anybody confirm this? Or it's a locale issue?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] quick run of lubuntu a3

[Lee Briggs]

I think I've said this before, but is there any reason we couldn't give
mono-paint a try?

Its a paint.net clone, unfortunately its written in mono, but its still
pretty damn good for its size..

http://code.google.com/p/paint-mono/

2010/2/27 神癒礁湖 

>  I know the default editor in Lubuntu is not user-friendly, and its
> interface is really "ugly", so I have another suggestion. Take a look at
> this editor GNU Paint (gpaint), it's like MSPaint, but has a few image
> effects. It has no dependencies at all, and it's easy to use (too much, I
> think):
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] GVFS issues and other bugs in pcmanfm2

[PCMan]

Type ftp:// in pcmanfm2 directly.
If gvfs is running correctly, you should be able to access ftp in your file
manager.
Otherwise, dbus or gvfs might not be functioning and debugging is needed.
Thank you again for the awesome artwork!

2010/2/28 神癒礁湖 

> Thanks for your words, making artwork is very difficult, so seeing the
> people happy with it is a good compensation!
>
> I'd like to ask PCMan about remote filesystems. Will PCManFm have support
> for FTP natively? Or will we need additional tools like Gigolo?
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] xfburn and hal

[M. Daub]

Am Samstag, 27. Februar 2010 23:05:18 schrieb Julien Lavergne:
> Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 20:10 +0100, M. Daub a écrit :
> > Hello *,
> > 
> > one big goal of the new release of ubuntu is to remove hal.
> 
> The goal is only on the Ubuntu desktop, not the whole archive.
> 
Sorry for assumeing that it's a principle for the whole ubuntu-family. It 
seems that all big distros thinking about replaceing hal:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/HalRemoval
http://wiki.debian.org/HALRemoval
https://features.opensuse.org/308762


> > With shipping xfburn in lubuntu there would be a necessity for hal,
> > because xfburn really needs hal.
> > Wouldn't it be better to use brasero?
> > Even xubuntu ships brasero.
> 
> I prefer that Lubuntu depends on hal instead of half of the GNOME
> desktop.
> 
Trying to install brasero aptitude just wants to download:
- brasero
- brasero-common
- dvd+rw-tools
- genisoimage
- libbeagle1
- libbrasero-media0
- libgmime-2.4-2
- libnautilus-extension1
- libtotem-plparser17
- wodim

That's just 2.7 MB to download (and not the half gnome-desktop ;-) )

It's jm2c to mention, that it could be dangerous to depend on something that 
is deprecated by big influential groups.

Ok, it's after feature-freeze, so maybe next time...

Best Regards
Marcus








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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Steve]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:42:28 -, Julien Lavergne   
wrote:



Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 20:19 +0100, Zoltan Matlak a écrit :

>What do you mean by applets ?
Java applets (used by some banks for online banking or used by some
online games). The only combination it doesn't work is chrome&icedtea.
Applets work with icedtea&ff and also works with sunjava&chrome.

Reported :
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/529242


One more think I forgot earlier. LXTerminal doesn't save history (as
far as I remember it never did). Closing and opening a new terminal
"clears" history. Is there a way to enable history saving between
sessions?

I can't reproduce it.


Nor can I, there’s the last two days history on my machines.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Julien Lavergne]

Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 20:19 +0100, Zoltan Matlak a écrit :
> >What do you mean by applets ?
> Java applets (used by some banks for online banking or used by some
> online games). The only combination it doesn't work is chrome&icedtea.
> Applets work with icedtea&ff and also works with sunjava&chrome.  
Reported :
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/529242

> One more think I forgot earlier. LXTerminal doesn't save history (as
> far as I remember it never did). Closing and opening a new terminal
> "clears" history. Is there a way to enable history saving between
> sessions?
I can't reproduce it.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] xfburn and hal

[Julien Lavergne]

Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 20:10 +0100, M. Daub a écrit :
> Hello *,
> 
> one big goal of the new release of ubuntu is to remove hal.
The goal is only on the Ubuntu desktop, not the whole archive.

> With shipping xfburn in lubuntu there would be a necessity for hal, because 
> xfburn really needs hal.
> Wouldn't it be better to use brasero?
> Even xubuntu ships brasero.
I prefer that Lubuntu depends on hal instead of half of the GNOME
desktop.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] xfburn and hal

[Andrew Woodhead]

I recommend gnomeburner. I personally have never had success with brasero.

On 27 Feb 2010 19:11, "M. Daub"  wrote:

Hello *,

one big goal of the new release of ubuntu is to remove hal.

With shipping xfburn in lubuntu there would be a necessity for hal, because
xfburn really needs hal.
Wouldn't it be better to use brasero?
Even xubuntu ships brasero.

Regards
Marcus

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Steve]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:30:09 -, Julien Lavergne   
wrote:



Thanks for the test.

Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 13:41 +0100, Zoltan Matlak a écrit :

I faced most of the problems the others reported earlier. Other than
those,  I noticed the following:




5. printing does not work for me (it worked before alpha3). Installed
my printer, it was recognized, added it, but nothing comes out (not
even the test page). Weird. In "manage print jobs" document print
status shows Completed. Any idea? Thanks

No idea. Is someone else have this problem ?

Just connected up a printer and have had no problems, so far.  Test  
printed OK as did a page from Abiword.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] quick run of lubuntu a3

[Jo Gerb]

hm, thats difficult. when i first saw mtpaint, i really thought it was too
complicated and yes, even a bit ugly. But working with it is great and using
it you have many more possibilities then with gpaint. Even if many people
are used to MS Paint, we should offer them more than some kind of a clone.
MT paint  +1.

2010/2/27 Steve 

> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 19:47:52 -, 神癒礁湖  wrote:
>
>  I know the default editor in Lubuntu is not user-friendly, and its
>> interface is really "ugly", so I have another suggestion. Take a look at
>> this editor GNU Paint (gpaint), it's like MSPaint, but has a few image
>> effects. It has no dependencies at all, and it's easy to use (too much,
>> I think):
>>
>>
>>  I must admit I’m at a complete loss understanding how mtpaint looks dated
> or ugly, especially when compared to gpaint.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] quick run of lubuntu a3

[Steve]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 19:47:52 -, 神癒礁湖   
wrote:



I know the default editor in Lubuntu is not user-friendly, and its
interface is really "ugly", so I have another suggestion. Take a look at
this editor GNU Paint (gpaint), it's like MSPaint, but has a few image
effects. It has no dependencies at all, and it's easy to use (too much,
I think):


I must admit I’m at a complete loss understanding how mtpaint looks dated  
or ugly, especially when compared to gpaint.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] GVFS issues and other bugs in pcmanfm2

[神癒礁湖]

Thanks for your words, making artwork is very difficult, so seeing the
people happy with it is a good compensation!

I'd like to ask PCMan about remote filesystems. Will PCManFm have
support for FTP natively? Or will we need additional tools like Gigolo?



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Zoltan Matlak]

>What do you mean by applets ?
Java applets (used by some banks for online banking or used by some online
games). The only combination it doesn't work is chrome&icedtea. Applets work
with icedtea&ff and also works with sunjava&chrome.

One more think I forgot earlier. LXTerminal doesn't save history (as far as
I remember it never did). Closing and opening a new terminal "clears"
history. Is there a way to enable history saving between sessions?

Thanks
Zoltan


On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Thanks for the test.
>
> Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 13:41 +0100, Zoltan Matlak a écrit :
> > I faced most of the problems the others reported earlier. Other than
> > those,  I noticed the following:
> >
> >
> > 1. no flash plugin (earlier gnash used to be installed). Running
> > "apt-get install flashplugin-installer" solved it.
> Yes, we definitely need a plugin to install a flash provider (reported
> on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam)
>
> > 2. no applets with chrome(ium) and icedtea. I use online banking and
> > this is a MAJOR issue for me. Solution is to either download & install
> > sun's java or install Firefox to be able to run applets.
> What do you mean by applets ?
>
Java applets (used by some banks for online banking)

>
>
> > 3. In networkmanager VPN is inactive, can not "Add". I installed
> > "apt-get install network-manager-vpnc vpnc resolvconf rdesktop". After
> > this,  I was able to use VPN  from command line, but in networkmanager
> > it remained disabled. Do I need to install any other package?
> Do you have something in /etc/network/interface which manage VPN ? If
> it's the case, network-manager disable the management of the VPN, and
> it's handle directly by /etc/network/interface
>
> > 4. pcmanfm2 now seem less complete than in pre-alpha3 (the test image
> > from a week ago). Earlier in pcmanfm2 I was able to use
> > applications:/// and trash:///. What happened, is this an older build?
> > Just curious.
> Problem with dbus, a fix it's in progress.
>
> > 5. printing does not work for me (it worked before alpha3). Installed
> > my printer, it was recognized, added it, but nothing comes out (not
> > even the test page). Weird. In "manage print jobs" document print
> > status shows Completed. Any idea? Thanks
> No idea. Is someone else have this problem ?
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
>
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] xfburn and hal

[M. Daub]

Hello *,

one big goal of the new release of ubuntu is to remove hal.

With shipping xfburn in lubuntu there would be a necessity for hal, because 
xfburn really needs hal.
Wouldn't it be better to use brasero?
Even xubuntu ships brasero.

Regards
Marcus

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Julien Lavergne]

Le dimanche 28 février 2010 à 00:50 +0800, PCMan a écrit :
> > 3) tried to edit date/time settings - unlock button does nothing
> Apparantly this is yet another dbus-related problem.
> Using this feature requires both of dbus and policy-kit working.
> You even need a policykit agent. Currently the only choice is polkit-gnome.
> By default polkit-gnome's authentication agent is turned off outside Gnome.
> This needs to be turned on in its desktop file installed ot 
> /etc/xdg/autostart.
> TODO:
> 1. make sure dbus is correctly launched.
> 2. make sure policykit agent is running.
This is not the case in the Alpha3, I don't know why it was working
previously.
I'll add it to autostart to fix it.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] External display does't work on notebook Acer TM 2200

[Mike Nokel]

2010/2/27 Denis I. 

> Hi everyone,
>
> I tried to run alpha3 on my notebook and found that external display Acer
> AL1916 not working after booting OS.
> Internal display is broken and I can use vga output only.
> I tried two ways loading:
>
> 1) Default.
> Display was disabled after boot menu.
> I could't see boot process and loaded OS.
>
> 2) "Safe graphics mode".
> I saw boot process but after booting display throw message "Input Not
> Supported".
>
> Acer AL1916 contain x1250 ATI graphics chipset.
>
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> This is a problem of your videocard. Suggestions: 1) install ati-driver
(however, it doesn't work for me - ATI Radeon hd 4670) 2) open
/etc/X11/xorg.conf and edit it: change Option "ActiveDevice" to "LCD,CRT"
(you can do it from recovery mode typing "nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf").
It is not a bug of Lubuntu. Currently, it is a bug of Lucid and will be
solved in the future.

Best wishes,
Michael.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Steve]

Couple more problems.

If I got to Preferences > Openbox Configuration Manager > Desktops and  
give the desktops names, when I Right click on the taskbar and select Move  
to workspace they are still called 'Workspace 1/2/3'.
Right clicking on a menu item and selecting Properties, then altering some  
thing isn’t saved, such as the command.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chrome & applets

[omer akram]

@Julián Alarcón, Here Chromium is much faster than your friend firefox when
running on a netbook wth 512mb/1.6ghz atom. I mean reall difference can be
felt here even with many launchpad bugs open in different tabs.

2010/2/27 Julián Alarcón 

> MM, I just remember!!!
>
> I don't like Chromium/Chrome on Lubuntu , the memory use is awful.
> maybe this is not a problem if you are testing Lubuntu on 2 GB of RAM,
> but for me, Chromium with 6 tabs reach to 800 MB of memory use.
> Firefox can handle 30 tabs and still use just 250-300 MB.
>
> The problem with OpenJDK is BIG.
> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=20087
>
> They don't support it, and won't be.
>
> I like Firefox. Chromium is faster when you use it on a Dual Core,
> but, to me, right now with my AMD Atlhon 64, the differences between
> Firefox and Chromium are low, really low.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chrome & applets

[Julián Alarcón]

MM, I just remember!!!

I don't like Chromium/Chrome on Lubuntu , the memory use is awful.
maybe this is not a problem if you are testing Lubuntu on 2 GB of RAM,
but for me, Chromium with 6 tabs reach to 800 MB of memory use.
Firefox can handle 30 tabs and still use just 250-300 MB.

The problem with OpenJDK is BIG.
http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=20087

They don't support it, and won't be.

I like Firefox. Chromium is faster when you use it on a Dual Core,
but, to me, right now with my AMD Atlhon 64, the differences between
Firefox and Chromium are low, really low.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Steve]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:05:32 -, Julien Lavergne   
wrote:



Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 19:00 +, Steve a écrit :

The panel can’t be moved to the top, with out editing the config file  
nor
does transparency work any more either.  This used to work in Alphas 1  
& 2.

I can't reproduce it for the move to the top. You could try to remove
your config file and logout/login back.

But the transparency doesn't work for me too.


Moving the panel now works, it didn’t when I first installed but does now.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[PCMan]

Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 18:04 +0100, Roger Dean a écrit :
> 2) logged out of lubuntu DE and then in to lubuntu netbook DE. logged
> out and tried to log back in to regular DE. was unable to click cursor
> into username / password box
This is a known issue of lxdm. Please contact dgod as he might know
what happens.
When lxdm is used along with lxsession, sometimes this happens.
If the bug cannot be fixed in time, I'd suggest use gdm this time.

> 3) tried to edit date/time settings - unlock button does nothing
Apparantly this is yet another dbus-related problem.
Using this feature requires both of dbus and policy-kit working.
You even need a policykit agent. Currently the only choice is polkit-gnome.
By default polkit-gnome's authentication agent is turned off outside Gnome.
This needs to be turned on in its desktop file installed ot /etc/xdg/autostart.
TODO:
1. make sure dbus is correctly launched.
2. make sure policykit agent is running.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Steve]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:25:08 -, Jo Gerb   
wrote:



2010/2/27 Julien Lavergne 


Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 19:00 +, Steve a écrit :
> Live session runs in 128MB RAM but launching an application crashes  
it,

> not surprising really.
Actually, it suprise me. I just load the alpha on a 128MB Vbox, it's
slow but you can launch application without problem. Is it the whole
desktop which crash or only the application ?


Me too. i ran the live cd on real hardware (not vm) wit oentium II and  
128

MB RAM. i wasn't that fast, but it didn't crash when starting an
application.

This was with out any swap, it functions OK with a swap partition on the  
HDD.
XChat crashes and Chromium just slows to a a near standstill, taking 30-40  
mins to load a page (bbc.co.uk).

As I said, with a swap partition everything is OK but slooow.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Julien Lavergne]

Le dimanche 28 février 2010 à 00:13 +0800, PCMan a écrit :
> Current pcmanfm2 git and libfm git versions now has a new configure
> option:
> --enable-debug
> When compiled with this, runtime type checking is enabled and compiler
> optimization is turned off. This make the program slightly slower but
> it can greatly help debugging. 

That was my intentions :) I'll enable it for the next packages.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Julien Lavergne]

Thanks for the test.

Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 22:16 +0300, Mikhail Maksimov a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> I have a strange issue with the installer: if I start an English
> LiveCD session, then try to install a Russian version of Lubuntu, the
> installer displays "???" strings on the keyboard layout selection
> screen (see attached screenshot). I type some (Latin) chars into the
> test box and click "Next" without changing anything else. After I
> click through to screen #6 (user information), I cannot proceed since
> the keyboard is somehow blocked: no alphanumeric keys work at all.
> However, something else works: space, enter, arrows, ins, home, end,
> del, pageup, pagedown, "|" and "\" (same key with and without Shift),
> maybe something else (don't know how to test Ctrl, Alt, Esc,
> functionals, etc.)
> 
> Installing a Russian version from a Russian LiveCD session works fine.
> Selecting German or some Indian layout (line #8 from the bottom of the
> list) works in an English LiveCD session. ("Works" means it does not
> lock the keyboard, I didn't run any installation to the end so far.)
> 
> Selecting Greek l11n from an English LiveCD session yields those
> "??" lines, but does not lock the keyboard.
> 
> I understand this can be the "base" Ubuntu issue, but currently I have
> no time to download the daily iso and play with it, sorry. Hopefully
> someone else can do it...
Yes probably, or maybe it's the lack of language support on the Live-CD.
It's something to test when the installer will be more stable.

> 
> Sincerely,
> Mikhail Maksimov
> 
> PS There're also some annoying ureadahead error messages during the
> boot, but those don't seem to be harmful. I have also seen such
> messages when I tested 20100215 iso on a physical machine. I think
> someone else mentioned those here on the list, too.
Yes, but the standard version of Ubuntu have also this messages. So I
hope it will be fixed in the future :)

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Julien Lavergne]

Thanks for the test.

Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 13:41 +0100, Zoltan Matlak a écrit :
> I faced most of the problems the others reported earlier. Other than
> those,  I noticed the following:
> 
> 
> 1. no flash plugin (earlier gnash used to be installed). Running
> "apt-get install flashplugin-installer" solved it.
Yes, we definitely need a plugin to install a flash provider (reported
on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam)

> 2. no applets with chrome(ium) and icedtea. I use online banking and
> this is a MAJOR issue for me. Solution is to either download & install
> sun's java or install Firefox to be able to run applets. 
What do you mean by applets ?


> 3. In networkmanager VPN is inactive, can not "Add". I installed
> "apt-get install network-manager-vpnc vpnc resolvconf rdesktop". After
> this,  I was able to use VPN  from command line, but in networkmanager
> it remained disabled. Do I need to install any other package?
Do you have something in /etc/network/interface which manage VPN ? If
it's the case, network-manager disable the management of the VPN, and
it's handle directly by /etc/network/interface

> 4. pcmanfm2 now seem less complete than in pre-alpha3 (the test image
> from a week ago). Earlier in pcmanfm2 I was able to use
> applications:/// and trash:///. What happened, is this an older build?
> Just curious.
Problem with dbus, a fix it's in progress.

> 5. printing does not work for me (it worked before alpha3). Installed
> my printer, it was recognized, added it, but nothing comes out (not
> even the test page). Weird. In "manage print jobs" document print
> status shows Completed. Any idea? Thanks
No idea. Is someone else have this problem ?

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Jo Gerb]

2010/2/27 Julien Lavergne 

> Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 19:00 +, Steve a écrit :
> > Live session runs in 128MB RAM but launching an application crashes it,
> > not surprising really.
> Actually, it suprise me. I just load the alpha on a 128MB Vbox, it's
> slow but you can launch application without problem. Is it the whole
> desktop which crash or only the application ?
>
>
Me too. i ran the live cd on real hardware (not vm) wit oentium II and 128
MB RAM. i wasn't that fast, but it didn't crash when starting an
application.

> > Neither CDs or flash drives auto-mount, though the floppy drive now
> > appears.
> Reported on
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing
> I'll refresh pcmanfm2 package this week-end to enable more debug.
>
> > The panel can’t be moved to the top, with out editing the config file nor
> > does transparency work any more either.  This used to work in Alphas 1 &
> 2.
> I can't reproduce it for the move to the top. You could try to remove
> your config file and logout/login back.
>
> But the transparency doesn't work for me too.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] GVFS issues and other bugs in pcmanfm2

[Julien Lavergne]

Le dimanche 28 février 2010 à 00:09 +0800, PCMan a écrit :
> The artwork of alpha 3 rocks! Thank you all!
> 
> As reported in this mailing list by some users, pcmanfm2 doesn't seem
> to work well with trash:// or others.
> It might be caused by failure of dbus launch. When gdm is used, this
> doesn't seem to be the problem since gnome seems to do something under
> the hood. However, with lxde, this is not automatic.
> The latest lxsession in git repo contains code to automatically launch
> dbus when needed. This must be used instead of the currently released
> tarball 0.4.1. Otherwise things might not work if you're not using
> gdm.
Thanks for tacking this, I'll made the necessary modifications.


> I know that now we're feature freeze. However, there are plans to
> update most of the LXDE components recently.
If this could be limited to pcmanfm/libfm, that will be nice :) Handle
new features after Feature Freeze is difficult and a long process, and
we can't spend this time to fix bugs.

> Targets:
> 
> 1. Finish PCManFM2. (planned release date: before 3/20, deadline: end of 
> March)
> 2. Add basic theming support to LXLauncher and fix its bugs <-- this
> is required for netbook mode of lubuntu
I don't think the theming is really needed for this realease.

> 3. Make a new release for LXSession including new logout mechanism
> added by Marty Jack.
For now, logout working good. Introducing a new mechanism now will need
testing/bug fixes. It's a good think, but not sure it's necessary for
this release.

> 4. New components now requires menu-cache 0.3.2, which is not yet in
> alpha3. (soname is changed)
I'm working on it.

> 5. LXMusic might work now in Lubuntu since xmms2 is updated in ubuntu.
> Test is needed to make sure.
It's working since some times.

> 6. LXDM: this is one of the most problematic part, too. Need some help.
Yes, and unfortunately, boot process on Lucid have many changes since
Karmic :(


> The most important part is pcmanfm2 as this is the core of LXDE. If it
> fails to be stable enough before 10.4 release, Lubuntu will have many
> problems. So I'll do my best to ensure its quality. Soon there will be
> 0.9.1 release.
> 
> The parts that requires most testing in pcmanfm2 are:
> 1. File operations: copying, moving, deleting, and trashing. (The most
> important)
> 2. Remote file system support
> 3. Thumbnails
> 4. Volume management
Thnaks, I'll keep update the wiki page
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[PCMan]

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
> Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 19:00 +, Steve a écrit :
>> Live session runs in 128MB RAM but launching an application crashes it,
>> not surprising really.
> Actually, it suprise me. I just load the alpha on a 128MB Vbox, it's
> slow but you can launch application without problem. Is it the whole
> desktop which crash or only the application ?
>
>> Neither CDs or flash drives auto-mount, though the floppy drive now
>> appears.
> Reported on
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing
> I'll refresh pcmanfm2 package this week-end to enable more debug.
Current pcmanfm2 git and libfm git versions now has a new configure option:
--enable-debug
When compiled with this, runtime type checking is enabled and compiler
optimization is turned off. This make the program slightly slower but
it can greatly help debugging.
>
>> The panel can’t be moved to the top, with out editing the config file nor
>> does transparency work any more either.  This used to work in Alphas 1 & 2.
> I can't reproduce it for the move to the top. You could try to remove
> your config file and logout/login back.
>
> But the transparency doesn't work for me too.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] GVFS issues and other bugs in pcmanfm2

[PCMan]

The artwork of alpha 3 rocks! Thank you all!

As reported in this mailing list by some users, pcmanfm2 doesn't seem
to work well with trash:// or others.
It might be caused by failure of dbus launch. When gdm is used, this
doesn't seem to be the problem since gnome seems to do something under
the hood. However, with lxde, this is not automatic.
The latest lxsession in git repo contains code to automatically launch
dbus when needed. This must be used instead of the currently released
tarball 0.4.1. Otherwise things might not work if you're not using
gdm.

I know that now we're feature freeze. However, there are plans to
update most of the LXDE components recently.

Targets:

1. Finish PCManFM2. (planned release date: before 3/20, deadline: end of March)
2. Add basic theming support to LXLauncher and fix its bugs <-- this
is required for netbook mode of lubuntu
3. Make a new release for LXSession including new logout mechanism
added by Marty Jack.
4. New components now requires menu-cache 0.3.2, which is not yet in
alpha3. (soname is changed)
5. LXMusic might work now in Lubuntu since xmms2 is updated in ubuntu.
Test is needed to make sure.
6. LXDM: this is one of the most problematic part, too. Need some help.

The most important part is pcmanfm2 as this is the core of LXDE. If it
fails to be stable enough before 10.4 release, Lubuntu will have many
problems. So I'll do my best to ensure its quality. Soon there will be
0.9.1 release.

The parts that requires most testing in pcmanfm2 are:
1. File operations: copying, moving, deleting, and trashing. (The most
important)
2. Remote file system support
3. Thumbnails
4. Volume management

So please test it heavily, especially #1. I'll try to get most
reported bugs fixed before the deadline.
To achieve this, I need plenty useful bug reports. Please help!

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Julien Lavergne]

Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 19:00 +, Steve a écrit :
> Live session runs in 128MB RAM but launching an application crashes it,  
> not surprising really.
Actually, it suprise me. I just load the alpha on a 128MB Vbox, it's
slow but you can launch application without problem. Is it the whole
desktop which crash or only the application ?

> Neither CDs or flash drives auto-mount, though the floppy drive now  
> appears.
Reported on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing
I'll refresh pcmanfm2 package this week-end to enable more debug.

> The panel can’t be moved to the top, with out editing the config file nor  
> does transparency work any more either.  This used to work in Alphas 1 & 2.
I can't reproduce it for the move to the top. You could try to remove
your config file and logout/login back.

But the transparency doesn't work for me too.

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] quick run of lubuntu a3

[Julien Lavergne]

Thanks for the test.

Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 18:04 +0100, Roger Dean a écrit :
> 1) when i go to language settings, it asks me to install more packages. 
> when i agree, it downloads much stuff including openoffice packages...
It's a "feature" to add to language-selector.
See
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/529048


> 2) logged out of lubuntu DE and then in to lubuntu netbook DE. logged 
> out and tried to log back in to regular DE. was unable to click cursor 
> into username / password box
lxdm seems to lock sometimes, but I never mange to reproduce it. It may
also be relative to other applications like plymouth, which break lxdm
sometimes ago.

> 3) tried to edit date/time settings - unlock button does nothing
Confirmed, but maybe not our fault. Did you test on a regular Ubuntu
Lucid ?

> 4) install gave me pcmanfm 0.9 - is this correct?
Yes, it's pcmanfm2

> 5) is mtpaint the finally chosen image editor? to my mind it's visually 
> very dated...
If you have another idea of a lightweight image editor, feel free to
propose. For now, I don't see any other candidate for this purpose.

> 6) love the speed... :-)
Good :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] A few suggestions

[Jo Gerb]

Am 27.02.2010 um 15:07 schrieb omer akram :


Hi, I am running the live session of alpha 3 and have a few thoughts

1. make background color of terminal white and rename it in the lxde- 
menus from LXtermnal to Terminal


Okay, that's good.
2. If possible increase the width and height of lxmenu so that the  
icons look a bit bigger


We have to remember that lubuntu will be used on old hardware and the  
monitors won't have a big resolution. Mine has 1024 x 768, and a too  
big menu wouldn't look good


3. make chromium to use the window border of the theme instead of  
chromium. doing this adds minimize effect to chromium.



Good idea.

4. Make Lubuntu Rock. :-)



Yeah, lubuntu rulz ;-)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] ProxyGUI for Lubuntu first testversion (lxproxy 0.1)

[Steve]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:07:48 -, Leszek Lesner   
wrote:



Hi ,

a new tesversion is out:
http://zevenos.com/files/lxproxy_0.1ubuntu3_all.deb


Down loaded


Fixed the "Saved settings are not shown after re opening the GUI" Bug.
http was tested and seems to work quite well thats good ;)
https should work as well as ftp but we need some testers (  
chromium-browser still has no https, so test it with something else  
please )


Can’t test ’til midweek, so will have a go then.  Testing with FF at the  
moment.



NOTICE: You still need to re-logon for the changes to apply on your  
system account.
If someone has a idea how to solve this annoying behaviour please notice  
me.


I think something will have to be restarted, somewhere.  If I get time  
next week I’ll try a few things.




Have fun testing ;)


I will :)


--
Steve

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[Lubuntu-desktop] A few suggestions

[omer akram]

Hi, I am running the live session of alpha 3 and have a few thoughts

1. make background color of terminal white and rename it in the lxde-menus
from LXtermnal to Terminal
2. If possible increase the width and height of lxmenu so that the icons
look a bit bigger
3. make chromium to use the window border of the theme instead of chromium.
doing this adds minimize effect to chromium.
4. Make Lubuntu Rock. :-)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Leszek Lesner]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:41:01 +0100
Zoltan Matlak  wrote:

> I faced most of the problems the others reported earlier. Other than those,
>  I noticed the following:
> 
> 1. no flash plugin (earlier gnash used to be installed). Running "apt-get
> install flashplugin-installer" solved it.
gnash caused problems and had to be removed.

> 
> 2. no applets with chrome(ium) and icedtea. I use online banking and this is
> a MAJOR issue for me. Solution is to either download & install sun's java or
> install Firefox to be able to run applets.
yeah we need to look into this
> 
> 3. In networkmanager VPN is inactive, can not "Add". I installed "apt-get
> install network-manager-vpnc vpnc resolvconf rdesktop". After this,  I was
> able to use VPN  from command line, but in networkmanager it remained
> disabled. Do I need to install any other package?
hmm... strange
> 
> 4. pcmanfm2 now seem less complete than in pre-alpha3 (the test image from a
> week ago). Earlier in pcmanfm2 I was able to use applications:///
> and trash:///. What happened, is this an older build? Just curious.
Its a newer version. Still needs some bugfixing. (Therefore Lubuntu is called 
alpha ;) ) 

> 
> 5. printing does not work for me (it worked before alpha3). Installed my
> printer, it was recognized, added it, but nothing comes out (not even the
> test page). Weird. In "manage print jobs" document print status shows
> Completed. Any idea? Thanks
> 
> 
> Other than that it's "shiny" :)
> 
> Thanks
>  Zoltan

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ubuntu One (Music Store)

[Leszek Lesner]

Music Store should be no problem as it will be integrated in rhythmbox and 
banshee (so installing one of them would grant you access to the music store)

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:02:38 -
Steve  wrote:

> Any one tried Ubuntu One  with Lubuntu?
> 
> I have had it working but it’s behaviour is a bit erratic.  I’m sure it  
> will be asked about, in connection with the music store, once Lubuntu is  
> released.
> 
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Zoltan Matlak]

I faced most of the problems the others reported earlier. Other than those,
 I noticed the following:

1. no flash plugin (earlier gnash used to be installed). Running "apt-get
install flashplugin-installer" solved it.

2. no applets with chrome(ium) and icedtea. I use online banking and this is
a MAJOR issue for me. Solution is to either download & install sun's java or
install Firefox to be able to run applets.

3. In networkmanager VPN is inactive, can not "Add". I installed "apt-get
install network-manager-vpnc vpnc resolvconf rdesktop". After this,  I was
able to use VPN  from command line, but in networkmanager it remained
disabled. Do I need to install any other package?

4. pcmanfm2 now seem less complete than in pre-alpha3 (the test image from a
week ago). Earlier in pcmanfm2 I was able to use applications:///
and trash:///. What happened, is this an older build? Just curious.

5. printing does not work for me (it worked before alpha3). Installed my
printer, it was recognized, added it, but nothing comes out (not even the
test page). Weird. In "manage print jobs" document print status shows
Completed. Any idea? Thanks


Other than that it's "shiny" :)

Thanks
 Zoltan
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Ubuntu One (Music Store)

[Steve]

Any one tried Ubuntu One  with Lubuntu?

I have had it working but it’s behaviour is a bit erratic.  I’m sure it  
will be asked about, in connection with the music store, once Lubuntu is  
released.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

Phill Whiteside schrieb:

Much better :-)

Just been having a general play (importing accounts to pidgin and 
chromium etc).


I did notice that x-chat is there as an IRC agent. When I was running 
it with 10.04 Ubuntu, I found it quite greedy for processor time (3 
seconds / 10 seconds) - My laptop fan was running quite a lot.


Since changing to pidgin for IRC, I have a much quieter computer (and 
an un-burned lap)


As pidgin is going to be shipped, is x-chat required ? I'm just 
wondering what affect it was Vs pidgin on lower spec processors.
Pidgin is IMHO no real IRC client and misses a lot of features and 
behaviors in this regard.


I know that disk mounting was mentioned, but does / is lubuntu going 
to have the equivalent of "Places" to provide a GUI for mounting 
partitions, it is quite conceivable for a low specification computer 
to be dual booting.
As I saw it in the pcmanfm2 code it is planned to have a desktop icon 
for each mounted devices (perhaps even unmounted devices, if you want to 
mount them) + Drives and partitions will appear in the bookmarkspanel on 
the left.


Apart from that, absolutely fantastic !!!

Regards,

Phill.



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