Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Glenn de Groot]

Epihany is pretty good since 3.0, very stable.Midori became pretty much an 
Elementary browser and looks a little odd now, but Epiphany is well integrated, 
it looks like a cute mini Firefox.I believe dependencies are like 
Midori.Epiphany used to be not as good as Midori but the GNOME-devs worked real 
hard, and it shows.With Epiphany we are 100% sure we have GTK3 and there are 
more developers then Midori has.
If you try, don´t install epiphany but epiphany-browser, because epiphany is a 
game. :P
-Glenn

Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:57:02 -0200
From: gabrielper...@gmail.com
To: amjja...@gmail.com
CC: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?


Lubuntu 12.04 will be GTK3, and Chromium will still be GTK2. So, to the next 
version, Chromium "will be heavyweight". I think most of the people agree that 
Midori isn't really an option, and I never tested Arora to give my opinion 
about this one.
.In a way or another, I believe that the best option for now if Firefox.
Gabriel Salles

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[∅]

On 11/5/11 5:51 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:

- We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong 
upstream and are well maintained.
agreed. i wouldn't suggest anything else tho there are other, more 
lightweight, options.

Browser is a very important part of a system, and we really don't have time to 
do maintenance on it. Adopting Midori for example, means we have to do the 
maintenance on Ubuntu (triage bugs, testing, maybe some packaging ...).
if we really wanted to go lightweight, we'd do w3m or dillo or 
something. lubuntu is light, but not THAT light :)

- Benchmark are needed, because just saying it's light, doesn't mean it's 
always light. Also, the memory usage for Chromium is special, because it shares 
memory (there is an article from a dev of Chromium somewhere in the Web which 
explain it).
i have had better luck with chromium when resources are a limited. i've 
seen what appear to be memory leaks in firefox that they always claim is 
due to some plugin though other browsers don't have this same problem. 
chromium of course sandboxes each process/plugin, so this is usually not 
a session-wide issue if you will.


despite that, i'm a firefox user. for one, i've got a ppc machine 
(though i'm installing on a thinkpad now) which means that anything but 
chromium is the only option. secondly, there are some plugins i would 
really miss. i've tried a couple times to move away (especially after 
experiencing webkit which seems to work a heck of a lot better overall), 
but i keep coming back.


despite all this, the user has the option of changing whatever they want 
at any time. so then comes the question of the target audience..

- Finally, it needs to be light on old hardware. Remember, it's the main target 
for Lubuntu. So far, Chromium seems better on this type of machine.

to which i must say, exactly.

but yeah, we should benchmark it.

wxl/walter


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Julien Lavergne]

Hi,

I'm not very fan of a change unless we have a strong consensus for another 
browser. But, this is my opinion :
- We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong 
upstream and are well maintained. Browser is a very important part of a system, 
and we really don't have time to do maintenance on it. Adopting Midori for 
example, means we have to do the maintenance on Ubuntu (triage bugs, testing, 
maybe some packaging ...).
- Benchmark are needed, because just saying it's light, doesn't mean it's 
always light. Also, the memory usage for Chromium is special, because it shares 
memory (there is an article from a dev of Chromium somewhere in the Web which 
explain it).
- Finally, it needs to be light on old hardware. Remember, it's the main target 
for Lubuntu. So far, Chromium seems better on this type of machine.

So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if the 
benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100
"A. Andjelkovic"  wrote:

> I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox
> in 12.04.
> I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is worth
> looking into.
> 
> Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
> trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
> I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely do
> some benchmarks in the near future.
> However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
> having several tabs open (more than 3).
> 
> Other reasons to switch:
> GTK3
> Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
> include as default)
> 
> What do you guys think?


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset]

Arora is QT based... so i don't think lubuntu will ever adopt it :(

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Jeremy Bicha]

2011/11/5 "神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna)" 
>
> Well, it's ont sure that Ubuntu istelf will remove all GTK2 packages and 
> libraries completely. Shuttleworth was clear on it at UDS, because we're not 
> going to be "cool and modern" but removing things that are really useful just 
> because they're GTK2.
>
> I'm the first who want Mono and GTK2 away from Ubuntu (and GTK2 away too from 
> Lubuntu), but who knows...

GTK2 will be in the Ubuntu repositories for years to come. A goal is
to get it off the main Ubuntu CD but that doesn't look likely for
Ubuntu 12.04.

The Banshee decision is being made based on a number of factors, not
just GTK2 and Microsoft fear.

Jeremy

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna)]

  
  
Well, it's ont sure that Ubuntu istelf will remove all GTK2 packages
and libraries completely. Shuttleworth was clear on it at UDS,
because we're not going to be "cool and modern" but removing things
that are really useful just because they're GTK2.

I'm the first who want Mono and GTK2 away from Ubuntu (and GTK2 away
too from Lubuntu), but who knows...

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Gabriel Salles]

Lubuntu 12.04 will be GTK3, and Chromium will still be GTK2. So, to the
next version, Chromium "will be heavyweight". I think most of the people
agree that Midori isn't really an option, and I never tested Arora to give
my opinion about this one.
.
In a way or another, I believe that the best option for now if Firefox.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Ali Linx]

I love them both so whatever you guys decide, I don't mind.
All what I care about is overall performance.

I've noticed FF started to be lighter than before. I also noticed it takes
so much from RAM with 3-4 opened tabs. Don't have time to test that for
now.

Again, whatever your choice will be, I'm ok because after all, I do need
them both installed :)


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Chris  wrote:

> Ali,
>
> It's been mentioned that the new FF7 is lightweight again, that's why it's
> been brought up. Personally I don't like FF, so personally I'd vote
> Chromium. But if with benchmarks/user tests it's proven that FF is the
> better one, than we should consider switching.
>
> With metta, Chris
> On Nov 5, 2011 9:41 PM, "Ali Linx"  wrote:
>
>> Keep Chromium. Users, as always, can install Firefox whenever they want.
>>
>> Firefox is my no.1 browser but I must have them both. I run both of them
>> at the same time (FF and Chromium).
>> Let's keep in mind that Chromium is lighter than Firefox. After all,
>> Lubuntu is a lightweight distribution so please keep it as it's :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 6:47 PM, A. Andjelkovic wrote:
>>
>>> I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with
>>> Firefox in 12.04.
>>> I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is
>>> worth looking into.
>>>
>>> Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
>>> trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
>>> I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely
>>> do some benchmarks in the near future.
>>> However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
>>> having several tabs open (more than 3).
>>>
>>> Other reasons to switch:
>>> GTK3
>>> Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
>>> include as default)
>>>
>>> What do you guys think?
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Chris]

Ali,

It's been mentioned that the new FF7 is lightweight again, that's why it's
been brought up. Personally I don't like FF, so personally I'd vote
Chromium. But if with benchmarks/user tests it's proven that FF is the
better one, than we should consider switching.

With metta, Chris
On Nov 5, 2011 9:41 PM, "Ali Linx"  wrote:

> Keep Chromium. Users, as always, can install Firefox whenever they want.
>
> Firefox is my no.1 browser but I must have them both. I run both of them
> at the same time (FF and Chromium).
> Let's keep in mind that Chromium is lighter than Firefox. After all,
> Lubuntu is a lightweight distribution so please keep it as it's :)
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 6:47 PM, A. Andjelkovic wrote:
>
>> I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox
>> in 12.04.
>> I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is
>> worth looking into.
>>
>> Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
>> trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
>> I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely do
>> some benchmarks in the near future.
>> However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
>> having several tabs open (more than 3).
>>
>> Other reasons to switch:
>> GTK3
>> Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
>> include as default)
>>
>> What do you guys think?
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Ali Linx]

Keep Chromium. Users, as always, can install Firefox whenever they want.

Firefox is my no.1 browser but I must have them both. I run both of them at
the same time (FF and Chromium).
Let's keep in mind that Chromium is lighter than Firefox. After all,
Lubuntu is a lightweight distribution so please keep it as it's :)



On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 6:47 PM, A. Andjelkovic wrote:

> I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox
> in 12.04.
> I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is
> worth looking into.
>
> Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
> trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
> I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely do
> some benchmarks in the near future.
> However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
> having several tabs open (more than 3).
>
> Other reasons to switch:
> GTK3
> Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
> include as default)
>
> What do you guys think?
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Yorvyk]

On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:18:12 +0700
Hùng Trần  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I prefer Chromium, it's good on old machine. Firefox is almost useless on
> my 256MB RAM laptop.
> 
I've also found Chromium to be better than Firefox when there is less than 512 
MiB of RAM.  I haven't really checked memory/CPU usage but Chromium is more 
responsive with 6-8 tabs open.  With less than 256 MiB of RAM Firefox really 
seems to struggle with only 3-4 tabs open.  This isn't just a case of a PIII 
CPU struggling either.  I have a 'brand new', never out of it's box, 2003 
vintage, Dell 4600 2.4Mhz P4 with 256 MiB of RAM, AGP8 video and Firefox is 
slow in this as well.

As much as I like Firefox I think Chromium is the way to go for Lubuntu.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna)]

  
  
Midori isn't a REAL optin right now, because of handling
certificates and such things. A better option should be Arora. But
Alexander is right. Firefox 7 has improved a lot with beta 7, and 8
is more promising. But I don't give any point until benchmark is
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset]

In fact Midori is lighweight... but it crash just too often. That's what i
mean by "ready to use"

2011/11/5 James Gifford 

> In fact, if we were really looking for a lightweight browser, might I
> suggest Midori?[1] It's a Webkit based browser, very lightweight on
> CPU/RAM.
>
> Cheers,
> James Gifford
>
> [1] https://launchpad.net/midori
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Hùng Trần 
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I prefer Chromium, it's good on old machine. Firefox is almost useless
> on my
> > 256MB RAM laptop.
> >
> > Regards,
> > TRẦN Duy Hùng
> > http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/
> >
> >
> > On 5 November 2011 22:11, James Gifford  wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm one of the "target audiences" for Lubuntu, mainly that of the
> >> underpowered netbook user.
> >>
> >> In my experience, Chromium is faster, until you start having a ton
> >> (read: 4-10) tabs open. At that point, Firefox starts to be better.
> >>
> >> Just my two cents.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> James Gifford
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Stefano 
> wrote:
> >> > On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100
> >> > "A. Andjelkovic"  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with
> >> >> Firefox
> >> >> in 12.04.
> >> >> I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is
> >> >> worth
> >> >> looking into.
> >> >>
> >> >> Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
> >> >> trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
> >> >> I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will
> definitely
> >> >> do
> >> >> some benchmarks in the near future.
> >> >> However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
> >> >> having several tabs open (more than 3).
> >> >>
> >> >> Other reasons to switch:
> >> >> GTK3
> >> >> Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
> >> >> include as default)
> >> >>
> >> >> What do you guys think?
> >> >
> >> > +1, i love firefox, chromium is too much for "dummies" ;-)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Midori on Lubuntu?

[Gmail]

I run Midori on Bodhi Linux and did not have an issue with flash after I 
installed the Adobe flash plugin.

HTHs. 

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On Nov 5, 2011, at 9:41 AM, jerrylamos  wrote:

> Does Midori do internet Flash Video?  How to set it up?
> 
> Does Midori import Firefox bookmarks?  I've got maybe 10 screenfuls.
> 
> Thanks,
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Does Midori do internet Flash Video?  How to set it up?

Does Midori import Firefox bookmarks?  I've got maybe 10 screenfuls.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New LXKeymap version with autostart support

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 05.11.2011 17:40, schrieb Todd Schulman:
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>
>> Am 05.11.2011 14:02, schrieb Gabriel Salles:
>>> I just saw the forum and I believe that there should be an option to
>> change
>>> the global keymap... Or at least the login manager keymap
>> Yeah I guess you are right.
>> But notice that this requires root rights.
>> Also if someone knows how to change the keymap for tty and Xorg (I guess
>> the keymap is set in /etc/default/keyboard) directly without
>> reconfiguring console-setup then please mail me.
>>
>> Won't setxkbmap do it?
Setxkbmap would only change the Xorg keymap in a local session. So not
globally. And it needs a Xserver running

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[James Gifford]

Define "ready to use" - Midori might not have hit 1.0, but in the days
where I come back from a walk around the block and Chromium's bumped
another version number, that's hardly a way to measure things.

If it came to a vote, I'd keep Chromium, it's stable, it works, and
it's got a large upstream which means we don't have to worry a *lot*
about security bugs.
Cheers,
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On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
 wrote:
> If it's a vote... i would keep chromium. I always keep both browsers "just
> in case", but "my" benchmarks on my old pentium 3 can't tell any real
> difference with just one tab opened. Start time, firefox seems a little bit
> slower to start.
>
> I'll run some "benchmarks" in the next days in the following machine:
> 1000mhz, 512ram (Pentium3).
>
> Still, you should take a look at the dependencies too... my guess is that we
> should keep chromium in this case (i believe that firefox installs some
> nautilus stuff)
>
> Ps: when it will be "ready" we could try Midori (it's the faster browser i
> can try on my old machine!). But really... when it will be *ready* to use!!
>
> El 05-11-2011 11:11, James Gifford escribió:
>>
>> I'm one of the "target audiences" for Lubuntu, mainly that of the
>> underpowered netbook user.
>>
>> In my experience, Chromium is faster, until you start having a ton
>> (read: 4-10) tabs open. At that point, Firefox starts to be better.
>>
>> Just my two cents.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> James Gifford
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Stefano  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100
>>> "A. Andjelkovic"  wrote:
>>>
 I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with
 Firefox
 in 12.04.
 I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is
 worth
 looking into.

 Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
 trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
 I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely
 do
 some benchmarks in the near future.
 However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
 having several tabs open (more than 3).

 Other reasons to switch:
 GTK3
 Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
 include as default)

 What do you guys think?
>>>
>>> +1, i love firefox, chromium is too much for "dummies" ;-)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[James Gifford]

In fact, if we were really looking for a lightweight browser, might I
suggest Midori?[1] It's a Webkit based browser, very lightweight on
CPU/RAM.

Cheers,
James Gifford

[1] https://launchpad.net/midori


On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Hùng Trần  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I prefer Chromium, it's good on old machine. Firefox is almost useless on my
> 256MB RAM laptop.
>
> Regards,
> TRẦN Duy Hùng
> http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/
>
>
> On 5 November 2011 22:11, James Gifford  wrote:
>>
>> I'm one of the "target audiences" for Lubuntu, mainly that of the
>> underpowered netbook user.
>>
>> In my experience, Chromium is faster, until you start having a ton
>> (read: 4-10) tabs open. At that point, Firefox starts to be better.
>>
>> Just my two cents.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> James Gifford
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Stefano  wrote:
>> > On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100
>> > "A. Andjelkovic"  wrote:
>> >
>> >> I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with
>> >> Firefox
>> >> in 12.04.
>> >> I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is
>> >> worth
>> >> looking into.
>> >>
>> >> Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
>> >> trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
>> >> I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely
>> >> do
>> >> some benchmarks in the near future.
>> >> However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
>> >> having several tabs open (more than 3).
>> >>
>> >> Other reasons to switch:
>> >> GTK3
>> >> Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
>> >> include as default)
>> >>
>> >> What do you guys think?
>> >
>> > +1, i love firefox, chromium is too much for "dummies" ;-)
>> > --
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset]

If it's a vote... i would keep chromium. I always keep both browsers 
"just in case", but "my" benchmarks on my old pentium 3 can't tell any 
real difference with just one tab opened. Start time, firefox seems a 
little bit slower to start.


I'll run some "benchmarks" in the next days in the following machine: 
1000mhz, 512ram (Pentium3).


Still, you should take a look at the dependencies too... my guess is 
that we should keep chromium in this case (i believe that firefox 
installs some nautilus stuff)


Ps: when it will be "ready" we could try Midori (it's the faster browser 
i can try on my old machine!). But really... when it will be *ready* to 
use!!


El 05-11-2011 11:11, James Gifford escribió:

I'm one of the "target audiences" for Lubuntu, mainly that of the
underpowered netbook user.

In my experience, Chromium is faster, until you start having a ton
(read: 4-10) tabs open. At that point, Firefox starts to be better.

Just my two cents.

Cheers,
James Gifford



On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Stefano  wrote:

On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100
"A. Andjelkovic"  wrote:


I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox
in 12.04.
I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is worth
looking into.

Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely do
some benchmarks in the near future.
However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
having several tabs open (more than 3).

Other reasons to switch:
GTK3
Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
include as default)

What do you guys think?

+1, i love firefox, chromium is too much for "dummies" ;-)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Hùng Trần]

Hi,

I prefer Chromium, it's good on old machine. Firefox is almost useless on
my 256MB RAM laptop.

Regards,
TRẦN Duy Hùng
http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/


On 5 November 2011 22:11, James Gifford  wrote:

> I'm one of the "target audiences" for Lubuntu, mainly that of the
> underpowered netbook user.
>
> In my experience, Chromium is faster, until you start having a ton
> (read: 4-10) tabs open. At that point, Firefox starts to be better.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Cheers,
> James Gifford
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Stefano  wrote:
> > On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100
> > "A. Andjelkovic"  wrote:
> >
> >> I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with
> Firefox
> >> in 12.04.
> >> I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is
> worth
> >> looking into.
> >>
> >> Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
> >> trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
> >> I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely
> do
> >> some benchmarks in the near future.
> >> However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
> >> having several tabs open (more than 3).
> >>
> >> Other reasons to switch:
> >> GTK3
> >> Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
> >> include as default)
> >>
> >> What do you guys think?
> >
> > +1, i love firefox, chromium is too much for "dummies" ;-)
> > --
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[James Gifford]

I'm one of the "target audiences" for Lubuntu, mainly that of the
underpowered netbook user.

In my experience, Chromium is faster, until you start having a ton
(read: 4-10) tabs open. At that point, Firefox starts to be better.

Just my two cents.

Cheers,
James Gifford



On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Stefano  wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100
> "A. Andjelkovic"  wrote:
>
>> I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox
>> in 12.04.
>> I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is worth
>> looking into.
>>
>> Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
>> trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
>> I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely do
>> some benchmarks in the near future.
>> However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
>> having several tabs open (more than 3).
>>
>> Other reasons to switch:
>> GTK3
>> Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
>> include as default)
>>
>> What do you guys think?
>
> +1, i love firefox, chromium is too much for "dummies" ;-)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Stefano]

On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100
"A. Andjelkovic"  wrote:

> I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox
> in 12.04.
> I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is worth
> looking into.
> 
> Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
> trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
> I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely do
> some benchmarks in the near future.
> However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
> having several tabs open (more than 3).
> 
> Other reasons to switch:
> GTK3
> Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
> include as default)
> 
> What do you guys think?

+1, i love firefox, chromium is too much for "dummies" ;-)
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[Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[A. Andjelkovic]

I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox
in 12.04.
I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is worth
looking into.

Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely do
some benchmarks in the near future.
However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
having several tabs open (more than 3).

Other reasons to switch:
GTK3
Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
include as default)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New LXKeymap version with autostart support

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 05.11.2011 14:02, schrieb Gabriel Salles:
> I just saw the forum and I believe that there should be an option to change
> the global keymap... Or at least the login manager keymap
Yeah I guess you are right.
But notice that this requires root rights.
Also if someone knows how to change the keymap for tty and Xorg (I guess
the keymap is set in /etc/default/keyboard) directly without
reconfiguring console-setup then please mail me.

>
> Att,
>
> Gabriel Salles
>
>
> 2011/11/5 Ali Linx 
>
>> Hello Leszek,
>>
>> Kindly have a look at this:
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1874069
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Leszek Lesner wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> as I got a lot of requests to implement an autostart feature for
>>> lxkeymap I did it.
>>> LXKeymap 0.5 is now capable to store its keymap configuration into a
>>> file that it reads out during autostart.
>>> Therefore I wrote a little *.desktop file that I put in the global
>>> /etc/xdg/autostart which contains the new command "lxkeymap -a" to
>>> trigger the autostart function of lxkeymap. The Keymap configuration
>>> will be stored locally in your home directory ( ~/.config/lxkeymap.cfg)
>>> and is easily editable either by using lxkeymap and set a new keymap or
>>> by editing it by hand.
>>> You can get this version from here:
>>>
>>> http://content.wuala.com/contents/leszek/Dokumente/Share/lxkeymap_0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb?dl=1
>>>
>>> If you notice any bugs then report them here:
>>> http://launchpad.net/lxkeymap
>>>
>>> Also I guess there is a bug in lxdm, because changing the keyboard
>>> layout in the session and logging out to lxdm does not restore the
>>> global keymap but uses the one choosen in the session.
>>> This could be also fixed by simply calling "lxkeymap -a" from within
>>> lxdm but as lxkeymap uses only a local configuration it would then
>>> create and use the root accounts .config/lxkeymap.cfg file. So you need
>>> to create this first by executing lxkeymap as root if you want to have a
>>> different keymap globally+lxdm and your user accounts.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New LXKeymap version with autostart support

[Gabriel Salles]

I just saw the forum and I believe that there should be an option to change
the global keymap... Or at least the login manager keymap

Att,

Gabriel Salles


2011/11/5 Ali Linx 

>
> Hello Leszek,
>
> Kindly have a look at this:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1874069
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Leszek Lesner wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> as I got a lot of requests to implement an autostart feature for
>> lxkeymap I did it.
>> LXKeymap 0.5 is now capable to store its keymap configuration into a
>> file that it reads out during autostart.
>> Therefore I wrote a little *.desktop file that I put in the global
>> /etc/xdg/autostart which contains the new command "lxkeymap -a" to
>> trigger the autostart function of lxkeymap. The Keymap configuration
>> will be stored locally in your home directory ( ~/.config/lxkeymap.cfg)
>> and is easily editable either by using lxkeymap and set a new keymap or
>> by editing it by hand.
>> You can get this version from here:
>>
>> http://content.wuala.com/contents/leszek/Dokumente/Share/lxkeymap_0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb?dl=1
>>
>> If you notice any bugs then report them here:
>> http://launchpad.net/lxkeymap
>>
>> Also I guess there is a bug in lxdm, because changing the keyboard
>> layout in the session and logging out to lxdm does not restore the
>> global keymap but uses the one choosen in the session.
>> This could be also fixed by simply calling "lxkeymap -a" from within
>> lxdm but as lxkeymap uses only a local configuration it would then
>> create and use the root accounts .config/lxkeymap.cfg file. So you need
>> to create this first by executing lxkeymap as root if you want to have a
>> different keymap globally+lxdm and your user accounts.
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New LXKeymap version with autostart support

[Ali Linx]

Hello Leszek,

Kindly have a look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1874069

Thanks!

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Leszek Lesner  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> as I got a lot of requests to implement an autostart feature for
> lxkeymap I did it.
> LXKeymap 0.5 is now capable to store its keymap configuration into a
> file that it reads out during autostart.
> Therefore I wrote a little *.desktop file that I put in the global
> /etc/xdg/autostart which contains the new command "lxkeymap -a" to
> trigger the autostart function of lxkeymap. The Keymap configuration
> will be stored locally in your home directory ( ~/.config/lxkeymap.cfg)
> and is easily editable either by using lxkeymap and set a new keymap or
> by editing it by hand.
> You can get this version from here:
>
> http://content.wuala.com/contents/leszek/Dokumente/Share/lxkeymap_0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb?dl=1
>
> If you notice any bugs then report them here:
> http://launchpad.net/lxkeymap
>
> Also I guess there is a bug in lxdm, because changing the keyboard
> layout in the session and logging out to lxdm does not restore the
> global keymap but uses the one choosen in the session.
> This could be also fixed by simply calling "lxkeymap -a" from within
> lxdm but as lxkeymap uses only a local configuration it would then
> create and use the root accounts .config/lxkeymap.cfg file. So you need
> to create this first by executing lxkeymap as root if you want to have a
> different keymap globally+lxdm and your user accounts.
>
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