Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Making Lubuntu even Better (Bug Fixes)

2010-12-27 Thread David Sugar
Usually I think these kind of ramdisk issues become most important in older ssd netbooks where one wants specifically to reduce write activity, and while it may be a profile valid to consider for lubuntu, it is a corner case. It might be better to handle simply through a wiki article explaining ho

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Deadbeef in Lubuntu PPA

2010-11-15 Thread David Sugar
I have personally come to love exaile. But this more had to do with Rhythmbox having many additional gnome dependencies, where exaile does not. On the other hand neither is truly lightweight. On 11/15/2010 02:13 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote: > Le lundi 15 novembre 2010 à 09:43 -0300, Jean-Pierre Vi

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Intersting Article

2010-03-09 Thread David Sugar
Well, in all fairness, KDE has a very specific architectural vision, starting with things like plasma, etc, and it is not one that had been focused on minimizing requirements. For people that want those things KDE offers, thats fine, and that does not seem like bloat to them, I am sure. I am howe

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Indicator applets support in lxpanel

2010-03-08 Thread David Sugar
Right now few things use the messaging indicator, and most are things not even in lubuntu by default. Those that do (like pidgeon) still also continue to support the classic notification workspace as well. Julien Lavergne wrote: > Hi, > > I played a bit with the indicators applets (the new apple

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] new logo

2010-03-08 Thread David Sugar
And +1 for the blue looks lovely :). I think green should be added for lubuntu 10.10, when there is time to complete it right, rather than now. Julien Lavergne wrote: > +1 for the first, for consistency. > For now, the theme is only blue. Introducing a green part mean that the > artwork need to m

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Tested on MSI Wind U100

2009-12-10 Thread David Sugar
I actually was not suggesting there should be such a remix. I was suggesting however that one could potentially do this with mini-iso install by selecting them explicitly at install time if we have lxde desktop as a task in mini-iso. And yes, one could do a server install and add lxde/lubuntu aft

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Please let me know when Lubuntu is ready for early testing...

2009-12-10 Thread David Sugar
Ubuntu flavors are not LTS in the same way as Ubuntu itself. LTS I think has a specific meaning that implies with it Canonical paid support as being valid for those who have service contracts for the same period, and there is no Canonical paid support for Lubuntu or other community spins. However

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Tested on MSI Wind U100

2009-12-10 Thread David Sugar
gt; changed in the Chromium version in Ubuntu? > > Thanks, > > Mario > > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:15 PM, David Sugar > wrote: >> This touches upon many areas. I will initially comment on a few. In >> respect to SD cards and lower cost SSD media, I think the

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New programs by default

2009-12-10 Thread David Sugar
Mario Behling wrote: > Hi, > > thanks for starting the work on Lucid. Can we update > > I agree, that we need to look out for lightweight options for applications. > > About the applications you are proposing. > > xfce task manager - I know that lxtask has some bugs, but we defined > it in the

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu proposed technical preview (called lx-ultra)

2009-12-10 Thread David Sugar
Ultimately I think mplayer is a problem, at least from the perspective of being an "official" variant, and especially with respect to codecs. That being said, I am also aware many will choose to install mplayer if it's not in the default install, as I am aware many use medibuntu repos. Leszek Lesn

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Tested on MSI Wind U100

2009-12-10 Thread David Sugar
This touches upon many areas. I will initially comment on a few. In respect to SD cards and lower cost SSD media, I think there is a lot we can do to better optimize the user experience, even from install time, and perhaps Lubuntu is the right place to think about doing this first. There is (nat

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 432664] Re: Minor Lubuntu meta package changes for Karmic beta

2009-09-22 Thread David Sugar
debdiff for 0.5 release attached, Julian, if you would like to sponsor it... ** Attachment added: "lubuntu-meta_0.5.debdiff.gz" http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32263015/lubuntu-meta_0.5.debdiff.gz -- Minor Lubuntu meta package changes for Karmic beta https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/432664 You

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 432664] Re: Minor Lubuntu meta package changes for Karmic beta

2009-09-21 Thread David Sugar
I am away in Portland for LinuxCon most of the week, but I had no further modifications. If I have a chance, I will try to do so later tonight or tomorrow, unless you wish to run update and upload the new version. Julien Lavergne wrote: > lxde-icon-theme is now in the archive, any modifications y

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Mplayer, Qt4, Lubuntu release date, Modular installer

2009-09-19 Thread David Sugar
Julien Lavergne wrote: > Hi, > > For Mplayer / SMplayer, as there is no consensus for switching to > something else, let's stay with this 2 for Karmic. I'll put them in > Recommends, so lubuntu-desktop can be installed without this 2. I'll try > to move Mplayer to universe, but I'm not sure it'll

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Mplayer, Qt4, Lubuntu release date, Modular installer

2009-09-19 Thread David Sugar
I see no reason Lubuntu for Karmic could not be called a beta or preview of Lubuntu or similar. In respect to qt, the toolkit itself is not that large. One problem is matching qt themes (fonts, colors, controls) and preferences with gtk. If we have default settings that match, then I see no prob

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 432664] Re: Minor Lubuntu meta package changes for Karmic beta

2009-09-18 Thread David Sugar
Oh, do we also add lxde-setting-daemon? Julien Lavergne wrote: > Le vendredi 18 septembre 2009 à 18:01 -0400, David Sugar a écrit : >> What is the timeframe for this to happen? >> > Uploaded, you can make the change to the seed or I'll make it tomorrow. > &g

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 432664] Re: Minor Lubuntu meta package changes for Karmic beta

2009-09-18 Thread David Sugar
e with you relocating the seed and meta branches off +junk :). Julien Lavergne wrote: > Le vendredi 18 septembre 2009 à 18:01 -0400, David Sugar a écrit : >> What is the timeframe for this to happen? >> > Uploaded, you can make the change to the seed or I'll make it tomorrow

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 432664] Re: Minor Lubuntu meta package changes for Karmic beta

2009-09-18 Thread David Sugar
What is the timeframe for this to happen? Julien Lavergne wrote: > Next lxde-common upload will include a separate binary for the icon > theme. We need to add lxde-icon-theme to the seed after this. > <>___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-d

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 432664] Re: Minor Lubuntu meta package changes for Karmic beta

2009-09-18 Thread David Sugar
** Changed in: lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) Status: New => In Progress ** Changed in: lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => David Sugar (dyfet) -- Minor Lubuntu meta package changes for Karmic beta https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/432664 You received this bug notification b

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Mplayer and SMplayer problems

2009-09-17 Thread David Sugar
I did not think there was a significant usability issue in gnome-player either. I only had a minor change requested for the seed currently, related to a different issue, but I wanted to get feedback on whether this should be changed as well... Julien Lavergne wrote: > Le jeudi 17 septembre 2009 à

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Blueprint mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop] Build a very lightweight desktop for ubuntu based on lxde

2009-09-16 Thread David Sugar
Blueprint changed by David Sugar: Whiteboard changed to: Work items: Application selection with community input: DONE Create Lubuntu seed [1 day]: DONE Artwork and Ubuntu-izations: DEFERRED Status: lubuntu-meta in the archive; binary metapackage in NEW Artwork: It is possible artwork may be

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-11 Thread David Sugar
** Changed in: ubuntu Status: New => In Progress ** Changed in: ubuntu Assignee: (unassigned) => David Sugar (dyfet) -- [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/420513 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Lubuntu, whic

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Following IRC Meeting 2009-09-06

2009-09-11 Thread David Sugar
It is worth noting that this is NOT a requirement for inclusion of Lubuntu in Karmic, but rather has become more about how we should choose to work as a team going forward. I happen to favor using a separate release team in part because other xUbuntu's do so as a matter of practice and policy. Ho

[Lubuntu-desktop] Memory benchmarks

2009-09-10 Thread David Sugar
It was curious to see there was some effort to quantify and publish memory usage benchmarks for Lubuntu. http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7520/1.html <>___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.n

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread David Sugar
> Thanks for making this clear. The goal for lubuntu was from the start to > build a strong and broad > community, that can take care of tasks. For example Debian packages that > have been made > available during recent months by Andrew Lee and others were also planned and > released > to lay t

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread David Sugar
Lol! While I appreciate the vote of confidence, the goal was NEVER to have a dictatorship, benevolent or otherwise! I think what Scott says about some form of formalizing governance is actually very correct. However, the meta package (any meta-package instance) has a "snapshot" instance of the s

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread David Sugar
Scott, it was not anticipated there would be spins hosted on Launchpad for Lubuntu for Karmic, just the meta package. What happens Karmic +X though may become a different question. There is a launchpad team for Lubuntu, and there is a process for community input through the wiki, but not a formal

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread David Sugar
This really did not get handled correctly at the start of the week as we were requested to have this in a hurry and then learned after it could not be sponsored prior to the ffe process. I have put it in revu to correct any outstanding issue so that it can at least be properly evaluated. http://r

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Blueprint mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop] Build a very lightweight desktop for ubuntu based on lxde

2009-09-01 Thread David Sugar
Blueprint changed by David Sugar: Whiteboard changed to: Work items: Application selection with community input: DONE Create Lubuntu seed [1 day]: DONE Artwork & Ubuntu-izations: IN DISCUSSION Status: We have a meta ready for A5, pending freeze process. Time estimate: 2 weeks lool, 2009-0

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-01 Thread David Sugar
This had to be in this morning, so I only had time to incorporate Martin-Éric Racine's changes to the meta and seed. The tarball has the source, dsc, and changes files needed to build. ** Attachment added: "lubuntu-meta-srcbld.tar.gz" http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31123466/lubuntu-meta-srcbl

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-30 Thread David Sugar
I had wanted to get feedback sooner and hence see this done earlier. Most if not all of these changes noted are certainly valid. Where we touch upon what the default apps should be, my only concern is that we do not have a lot of revs. If we are going to split the seed to produce variants of def

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 303320] Re: [needs-packaging] lxubuntu-desktop

2009-08-28 Thread David Sugar
The one I looked at was the unr seed for Jaunty, which incidentally also builds MID, and has a common component support meta to seed for building both sets. That is the same idea and we can certainly restructure a lubuntu seed set this way also. Since it was my first attempt at a seed I simply wa

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] [NEW] [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-28 Thread David Sugar
Public bug reported: I have a preliminary seed and meta for this related to Karmic blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu- desktop and this should get uploaded to revu later today. ** Affects: ubuntu Importance: Undecided Assignee: David Sugar

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 303320] Re: [needs-packaging] lxubuntu-desktop

2009-08-28 Thread David Sugar
I have a working seed and meta package for "lubuntu-desktop", and I am going to try to upload this to revu later today. -- [needs-packaging] lxubuntu-desktop https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/303320 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Lubuntu, which is a bug assignee. St

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] issues everyone is having with apps lists

2009-08-14 Thread David Sugar
discussion or consensus existing for it first. But I had also been thinking of a division much like this. Andrew Oakley wrote: > On 14/08/2009, David Sugar wrote: >> much said about keeping it very light, I absolutely agree lightweight >> must NEVER mean shortchanging the user experience

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] issues everyone is having with apps lists

2009-08-14 Thread David Sugar
I do actually happen to agree with this also. While yes there has been much said about keeping it very light, I absolutely agree lightweight must NEVER mean shortchanging the user experience in the process. I just happen to think it could be possible to try and accomplish both and thereby produce

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] seeds of doom

2009-08-13 Thread David Sugar
modify the seed are in public bzr branches in the team repo. There are hard deadlines for Karmic, so a seed had to be made at this point. Chow Loong Jin wrote: > On Friday 14,August,2009 01:50 AM, Liam Proven wrote: >> 2009/8/13 David Sugar : >>> Blueprint changed by David Sugar:

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Blueprint mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop] Build a very lightweight desktop for ubuntu based on lxde

2009-08-13 Thread David Sugar
Blueprint changed by David Sugar: Whiteboard changed to: Work items: Application selection with community input: DONE Create Lubuntu seed [1 day]: DONE Artwork & Ubuntu-izations: TODO Status: There is an initial lubuntu meta package in the lubuntu team ppa. Time estimate: 2 weeks lool,

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Blueprint mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop] Build a very lightweight desktop for ubuntu based on lxde

2009-08-07 Thread David Sugar
Blueprint changed by David Sugar: Whiteboard changed to: Work items: Application selection with community input: DONE Create Lubuntu seed [1 day]: TODO Artwork & Ubuntu-izations: TODO Status: I now have a preliminary lubuntu.karmic seed that germinates from bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] mission statement

2009-07-23 Thread David Sugar
David Robert Lewis wrote: > ...NO, it is the distro which will give low-end users the look and > feel of Gnome on older kit. It will uplift and uphold the status of > Ubuntu as one of the leaders in determining the development of Linux in > the developing world, and it will provide extension to the

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu project questions - seeds

2009-07-23 Thread David Sugar
The solution to bandwidth issues in my opinion is NOT to make something like, for example, Open Office, a part of the seed for Lubuntu spin and install, but rather something that can be placed on a CD, if a full size CD media is put together and burned, and optionally installed then without needing

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Blueprint mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop] Build a very lightweight desktop for ubuntu based on lxde

2009-07-23 Thread David Sugar
Blueprint changed by David Sugar: Whiteboard changed to: Work Items: Application Selection with Community Input: DONE Lubuntu Seed Creation: TODO Art Work & Ubuntuizations: TODO Time estimate: 2 weeks lool, 2009-06-26: changed to drafting on the request of David Sugar as he needs to tal

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Blueprint mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop] Build a very lightweight desktop for ubuntu based on lxde

2009-07-23 Thread David Sugar
Blueprint changed by David Sugar: Whiteboard changed to: Current Efforts: Application Selection with Community Input: DONE Lubuntu Seed Creation: TODO Art Work & Ubuntuizations: TODO Time estimate: 2 weeks lool, 2009-06-26: changed to drafting on the request of David Sugar as he needs to

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Project Q's

2009-07-19 Thread David Sugar
> > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:49 PM, David Sugar <mailto:david.su...@canonical.com>> wrote: > > Perhaps this offers an opportunity for someone to put together an > initial Lubuntu "FAQ" on the wiki... > > jon york wrote: > >

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Project Q's

2009-07-07 Thread David Sugar
Perhaps this offers an opportunity for someone to put together an initial Lubuntu "FAQ" on the wiki... jon york wrote: > Alright, not that I want to start any E-fights, but I do believe these > are serious questions that need to be answered > > in any project, there needs to be a driving reason b

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Blueprint mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop] Build a very lightweight desktop for ubuntu based on lxde

2009-07-02 Thread David Sugar
You are now subscribed to the blueprint mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu- desktop - Build a very lightweight desktop for ubuntu based on lxde. -- https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop ___ Mailing list: https://launc

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

2009-07-01 Thread David Sugar
This question is also tied to the goal of shortening overall system boot time for Ubuntu, so I think there is both active work in that area which may help address this already, and whatever is separately learned here may well apply to the rest of Ubuntu as well. Ed Hewitt wrote: > Apart from choos

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

2009-06-29 Thread David Sugar
Related to this question is what to do with what is currently the separate lxde blueprint in Launchpad: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop I would be happy to see about transferring it to the Lubuntu Team if the Lubuntu team does wish to formally take

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] going small

2009-06-29 Thread David Sugar
Absolutely. Not including something does not prevent someone from adding something later if they want or need it. I think the "base" seed should be as small as practical. Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote: > I vote go small , if someone wants songbird or Firefox or liferea or > pidgin let them fetch it. >

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

2009-06-29 Thread David Sugar
I agree that xubuntu is not lightweight and app selection is key to this, especially for those that will always execute. I think something like connman or wics would be a better choice than network manager for Lubuntu. The gnome power management stuff I recall is already undergoing a radical size