Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? apt freezes during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2022-09-04 at 10:38 -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
> [snip] running kinetic this morning and executed "apt update && apt
> dist-upgrade" [snip]
> FireFox disappeared from the internet menu [snip]

Hi,

Firefox is not provided by the apt repositories.

It's a "Transitional package - firefox -> firefox snap", see
https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/firefox , IOW the snap related
upgrade process is providing Firefox.

The "bin" provided by this package actually is a script, at least the
jammy package's Firefox script starts with:

"#!/bin/sh
if ! [ -x /snap/bin/firefox ]; then
echo "" >&2
echo "Command '$0' requires the firefox snap to be installed." >&2
echo "Please install it with:" >&2
echo "" >&2
echo "snap install firefox" >&2
echo "" >&2
exit 1
fi"

IMO the snap enforcement is the beginning of the end of Ubuntu flavours.
Fortunately my everyday Linux is the rolling release Arch Linux. Ubuntu
flavours were my long term support emergency Linux installs, but now I
try to find a long term support replacement for Ubuntu flavours.

Snaps are an Ubuntu only thingy. Other distros provide the snap
infrastructure, but they are not supporting it. I also dislike
alternatives, such as flatpak, but those at least enjoy a minimum of
acceptance, while there's absolutely no acceptance for snaps outside of
Ubuntu flavours.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Apart from this I'm using syslinux instead of grub2.

[Ralf Mardorf]

A starting point: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Syslinux

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Apart from this I'm using syslinux instead of grub2.

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:34:54 -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>got a good laugh out of the "Hal 9000" line . . . classic geek humor
>there  

Using a computer without a sense of dark humour is really dangerous!

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Apart from this I'm using syslinux instead of grub2.

[Ralf Mardorf]

PPS:

For my Xenial install I'm using links, I have to manually update, so
that I don't need to fix my syslinux.cfg:

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ /usr/bin/ls -hl /.boot/ubuntu_moonstudio/boot/
total 114M
-rw--- 1 root root 3.8M Jul  1 09:30 System.map-4.4.0-186-lowlatency
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.2M Nov 15  2019 System.map-5.3.0-11.2-liquorix-amd64
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 187K Jul  1 09:30 config-4.4.0-186-lowlatency
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 213K Nov 15  2019 config-5.3.0-11.2-liquorix-amd64
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K May  7 06:09 grub
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  37M Jul 21 04:50 initrd.img-4.4.0-186-lowlatency
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  54M Jun 13 18:23 initrd.img-5.3.0-11.2-liquorix-amd64
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   36 Nov 26  2019 initrd.img-liquorix -> 
initrd.img-5.3.0-11.2-liquorix-amd64
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   31 Jul 21 04:58 initrd.img-lowlatency -> 
initrd.img-4.4.0-186-lowlatency
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 179K Jan 28  2016 memtest86+.bin
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 181K Jan 28  2016 memtest86+.elf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 181K Jan 28  2016 memtest86+_multiboot.bin
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root0 Aug  6  2018 s3.archlinux
-rw--- 1 root root 7.0M Jul  6 11:18 vmlinuz-4.4.0-186-lowlatency
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9.0M Nov 15  2019 vmlinuz-5.3.0-11.2-liquorix-amd64
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   33 Nov 26  2019 vmlinuz-liquorix -> 
vmlinuz-5.3.0-11.2-liquorix-amd64
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   28 Jul 21 04:58 vmlinuz-lowlatency -> 
vmlinuz-4.4.0-186-lowlatency

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[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ alias ls
alias ls='lsd'

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Apart from this I'm using syslinux instead of grub2.

[Ralf Mardorf]

PS:

I've got experiences with chainloading FreeBSD and Windows when using
grub legacy and grub2, but not with syslinux.

My syslinux multi-boot PC is a Linux only multi-boot _and_ I never
used, neither with grub, nor with syslinux, anything secure boot/(U)EFI
related.

That's my current syslinux.cfg:

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /boot/syslinux/syslinux.cfg
# Syslinux
#   http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/Doc/menu
#
# Mitigations linux >= 5.1.13
#   
https://linuxreviews.org/HOWTO_make_Linux_run_blazing_fast_(again)_on_Intel_CPUs
#   mitigations=off
#
# Misc
#   grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/* | cut -d/ -f7
#   audit=off

PROMPT 0
TIMEOUT 600
UI menu.c32
MENU HIDDEN
MENU CLEAR
MENU COLOR screen  0;30;40
MENU COLOR border  0;30;40
MENU COLOR title   1;37;44
MENU COLOR unsel   0;37;40
MENU COLOR hotkey  1;37;40
MENU COLOR hotsel  7;37;40
MENU COLOR sel 7;37;40
MENU COLOR disabled1;37;40
MENU COLOR scrollbar   0;30;40
MENU COLOR tabmsg  0;30;40
MENU COLOR cmdmark 0;31;40
MENU COLOR cmdline 0;37;40
MENU COLOR timeout_msg 0;37;40
MENU COLOR timeout 1;37;40

# Used hotkeys: ^8 ^A ^C ^e ^f ^g ^H ^i (^l) ^M ^n ^o ^P ^Q ^R ^S ^t ^V (^X) ^y
KBDMAP  de.ktl
DEFAULT Securityink

MENU TITLE HAL 9000-s3
LABEL Toolbox
MENU LABEL Toolbox
MENU DISABLE
MENU SEPARATOR


LABEL Hardware
MENU LABEL ^Hardware Detection
COM32 hdt.c32

LABEL Memtest
MENU LABEL Memtest^86+
LINUX /.boot/ubuntu_moonstudio/boot/memtest86+.bin

LABEL Reset
MENU LABEL R^eset
COM32 reboot.c32


MENU SEPARATOR
MENU SEPARATOR
LABEL Arch Menu
MENU LABEL Arch Linux
MENU DISABLE
MENU SEPARATOR


LABEL Threadirqs
MENU LABEL Arch Linux ^threadirqs
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro threadirqs
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux.img

LABEL Threadirqs_no_mitigations
MENU LABEL Arch Linux threadirqs  ^no mitigations
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro threadirqs mitigations=off audit=off
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux.img

LABEL Securityink
MENU LABEL Arch Linux Rt ^Securityink
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt-securityink
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux-rt-securityink.img

LABEL Securityink_no_mitigations
MENU LABEL Arch Linux Rt Securityink  no m^itigations
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt-securityink
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro noibrs noibpb nopti nospectre_v2 
nospectre_v1 l1tf=off nospec_store_bypass_disable no_stf_barrier mds=off 
mitigations=off
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux-rt-securityink.img

LABEL Pussytoes
MENU LABEL Arch Linux Rt ^Pussytoes
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt-pussytoes
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux-rt-pussytoes.img

LABEL Pussytoes_no_mitigations
MENU LABEL Arch Linux Rt Puss^ytoesno mitigations
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt-pussytoes
#APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro mitigations=off
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro noibrs noibpb nopti nospectre_v2 
nospectre_v1 l1tf=off nospec_store_bypass_disable no_stf_barrier mds=off 
mitigations=off
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux-rt-pussytoes.img

LABEL Cornflower
MENU LABEL Arch Linux Rt ^Cornflower
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt-cornflower
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux-rt-cornflower.img

LABEL Cornflower_no_mitigations
MENU LABEL Arch Linux Rt Corn^flower   no mitigations
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt-cornflower
#APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro mitigations=off audit=off
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro mitigations=off
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux-rt-cornflower.img

LABEL Rt
MENU LABEL Arch Linux ^Rt
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux-rt.img

LABEL Rt_no_mitigations
MENU LABEL Arch Linux Rt  n^o mitigations
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro mitigations=off
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux-rt.img

LABEL Arch
MENU LABEL ^Arch Linux
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux.img


MENU SEPARATOR
MENU SEPARATOR
LABEL Other Menu
MENU LABEL Other Linux
MENU DISABLE
MENU SEPARATOR


LABEL Moonstudio_liquorix
MENU LABEL Ubuntu X Moon Studio ^liquorix threadirqs
LINUX /.boot/ubuntu_moonstudio/boot/vmlinuz-liquorix
APPEND root=LABEL=moonstudio ro threadirqs
INITRD /.boot/ubuntu_moonstudio/boot/initrd.img-liquorix

LABEL Moonstudio_liquorix_no_mitigations
MENU LABEL Ubuntu ^X Moon Studio liquorix threadirqs no mitigations
LINUX /.boot/ubuntu_moonstudio/boot/vmlinuz-liquorix
APPEND root=LABEL=moonstudio ro threadirqs mitigations=off audit=off
INITRD 

Re: [lubuntu-users] Apart from this I'm using syslinux instead of grub2.

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi Fritz,

it comes with a learning curve ;).

On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:20:18 -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>Any pointers on why you choose syslinux over grub2??

For me the pros of syslinux are

- I do not need to disable insane automation, as I had to do (depending
  on the distro providing it) for grub2
- I do not need to tidy up a default config, to get rid of clutter

For me the con of syslinux is

- I'm either forced to use chainloading or as I do, to use one
  partition for the kernels of all installs and (not necessarily) to
  bind mount [1]

In my case 2 pros vs one con.

Actually there are a lot of more pros and cons for both, syslinux as
well as grub2, depending on the users needs. For me just the mentioned
matter.

On 'apt' based distros, such as the Ubuntu flavour Lubuntu, you can
'dpkg-divert' [2] 'grub-mkconfig' and 'update-grub' to get rid of the
insane automation and usage of configs, to generate cluttered configs.
Instead manually edit a clean grub.cfg and don't worry about any
automation that could mess up anything.

FWIW I'm using syslinux of my Arch Linux install, not from my Ubuntu
Xenial install.

Regards,
Ralf

[1]
[weremouse@moonstudio src]$ grep bind /etc/fstab
/mnt/archlinux/.boot/ubuntu_moonstudio/boot /boot  none   bind  
0 0

[2]
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/dpkg-divert.1.html



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Re: [lubuntu-users] Can I Use Other Desktops With Lubuntu

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 13:37:18 -0400, Israel Dahl wrote:
>On 7/10/20 10:59 AM, Aere Greenway wrote:
>>
>> When it boots, it still says it's Lubuntu, but that's not a problem.
>>  
>That can change if you want to spend time in a terminal.  You can
>actually make/install custom plymouth screens, as well if you like that
>sort of thing.

Or entirely remove the splash for startup, to see the startup messages
instead. There are different ways to achieve this, either by
boot parameters or by not having a splash in the first place. Google is
your friend. All my Linux, including my Ubuntu install boot without a
splash, but I can't help with your install, since my installs are much
customized in the first place, e.g. by installing Ubuntu without even
X, before installing the environments I want, let alone e.g. my Arch
Linux install. Apart from this I'm using syslinux instead of grub2.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Can I Use Other Desktops With Lubuntu

[Ralf Mardorf]

Yes, you could install
https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/ubuntu-gnome-desktop
also take a look at
https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/ubuntu-desktop
https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/ubuntu-desktop-minimal
https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/vanilla-gnome-desktop
I've not checked the content, but you might be able to use a meta-
package to already decide what you want and what not.

https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/lubuntu-desktop
depends on sddm, modern display manager for X11

https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/ubuntu-gnome-desktop
via https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/ubuntu-desktop
depends on gdm3, GNOME Display Manager

https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/12/how-to-change-default-display-manager.html


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Re: [lubuntu-users] USB flash drive filesystem

[Ralf Mardorf]

PPS:

FAT32:

max. file size 4 GiB, max. volume size is 16 TiB

When not using FAT32:

There are various opinions regarding wear and speed, when using a
journaling FS.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] USB flash drive filesystem

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 22:09:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 20:47:33 +0100, Ian Bruntlett wrote:  
>>I bought a USB flash drive and was wondering what filesystem I should
>>be using on it.
>>
>>I think it is formatted as exFAT but am not sure.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>
>Usually they are FAT32 formatted. I usually stay with FAT32, so they
>are compatible to even very old Windows machines, my Roland guitar
>synth, DVB-T receivers, the BIOS ... briefly, when formatted with
>FAT32, they are compatible with everything.  

PS:

FAT32 is also good to share data on Linux machines, between different
user IDs. If you really want to temporarily store xattrs and privileges
you could use a tar archive on the FAT32 formatted USB stick.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] USB flash drive filesystem

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 20:47:33 +0100, Ian Bruntlett wrote:
>I bought a USB flash drive and was wondering what filesystem I should
>be using on it.
>
>I think it is formatted as exFAT but am not sure.
>
>Any ideas?

Usually they are FAT32 formatted. I usually stay with FAT32, so they
are compatible to even very old Windows machines, my Roland guitar
synth, DVB-T receivers, the BIOS ... briefly, when formatted with
FAT32, they are compatible with everything.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Error: the new mouse does not sweep clean in Lu 19.10?

[Ralf Mardorf]

Oops, in my previous mail it shouldn't read "Ralf wrote", ist should
read

On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 18:52:51 -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
> > Anyway, it's mildly irritating, sort of like the "hidden file on the
> > desktop" thing, which does seem to have "gone away" . . . in
> > 19.10 . . .

My little contribution to sink into total chaos ;).


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Re: [lubuntu-users] Error: the new mouse does not sweep clean in Lu 19.10?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2019-07-03 at 06:45 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > Anyway, it's mildly irritating, sort of like the "hidden file on the
> > desktop" thing, which does seem to have "gone away" . . . in
> > 19.10 . . .

Is this still relevant at all? Do you still have another install then
19.10? If so, what install is affected by the hidden file?
What does "seems" mean? Is there or isn't there a hidden file on the
desktop of your 19.10 install? Do I understand correctly that you had an
install < 19.10. This install was fishy and you did a release upgrade to
19.10? You are aware that randomly reinstalling packages or upgrading
releases is no appropriate way to fix issues?

Could you please stop writing disgusting formatted multipart/mixed
messages? Just write plain text emails.

Describe your setup, what kind of multi-boot do you actually have got on
what hardware exactly?

Post relevant information from log files or post commands + their
output.

Use commands such as "uname -a", "lsb_release -a" to provide
information.

Then start with describing a single issue. Use an appropriate subject
describing this single issue and don't change the subject. Open another
thread for another issue.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommunityHelpWiki and other sites
could be helpful on how to troubleshoot an issue.

You provide a little bit information, by messy sentences ... my computer
has got a personality disorder ... this morning ... 19.10 hidden file
... spread over several odd formatted emails. This will lead to
absolutely nothing, but confusion.

Consider to test if the same issues happen, if you run Lubuntu from a
live media.




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Re: [lubuntu-users] Error: the new mouse does not sweep clean in Lu 19.10?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 18:52:51 -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>is a Gecko partition in another drive, so I don't know
>why that would "throw an error" in Lu . . .???
>
>Anyway, it's mildly irritating, sort of like the "hidden file on the
>desktop" thing, which does seem to have "gone away" . . . in
>19.10 . . . but, now there is the "error" window . . . which other
>than that, things seem to be "working" properly . . . is there
>actually "an error" or is it a "false positive"???

Regarding Ubuntu's policy by default everything is enabled, that could
be enabled, if you install a package containing something that could be
auto-started, then it is auto-started, so usually on Ubuntu flavours
run a lot of services, that aren't needed by the user.

Disable all services you don't need.

Ubuntu's user-friendly policy deviate from the KISS principle. Consider
to remove all those bug auto-reporting tools, apport, whoopsie and what
ever else is running.

Does something try to auto-mount the Gecko partition? Are you using a
hand written fstab or the systemd equivalent? Is gvfs or something
opaque and fishy running that provides mounting features? I install empty
dummy packages on my distros to fulfil gvfs and pulseaudio dependencies,
since this is software I dislike and that is absolutely useless for me.
In your case pulseaudio is irrelevant, but gvfs could be relevant.

If something unexpected happens and the log files aren't helpful, then
start troubleshooting by keeping things simple. Try to solve one issue
after the other. Even disable services you need temporarily for
troubleshooting purpose.

Is getting rid a hidden file on the desktop vital?
Start with the most important issue.

Please open a thread for each individual issue. Just focus on the
issue, don't add stories.

Let's start with the hidden file.

I'm using openbox without a desktop at all, I just set up a wallpaper.
What provides the Desktop for Lubuntu? If it's e.g. a file manager in
desktop mode, check the settings related to hidden files.

However, is that hidden file needed?

Open a terminal and run

  ls -A ~/Desktop/

Is there a hidden file?

If so and you don't know what that file is good for, did you already
google what it is good for?

Maybe you want to move the file out of the way, run

  sudo mv -i ~/Desktop/.name_of_the_file 
~/.name_of_the_file.BACKUP_OF_A_DESKTOP_DIR_FILE

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Re: [lubuntu-users] which personality disorder would say it best?

[Ralf Mardorf]

Consider to compare the issue with a broken toe. You know that something
is wrong with a foot, but you don't know what. You need to check the
foot, to find out that a toe is broken. Once you know that a toe is
broken, you can do something very pragmatic. Repairing software and
hardware issues is even more direct, then supporting measures for
self-recovery of the toe. However, comparing it with mentally illness
doesn't fit. You can't find out what is wrong by a psychotherapy, nor
can you fix the issue by a psychotherapy. This even doesn't work to
fix issues with AI. At best you could compare it with a broken toe,
but even better is an analogy to a car that has got an issue. You need
to search for the reason of the issue, then you can repair it. It's
possible to replace a broken axle by a new one. IOW it's less
complicated than what needs to be done to cure a broken toe.

What you need to do is structured troubleshooting to find the culprit.
Once you know the culprit, you can try to get rid of the issue. No
medicine is needed, no psychotherapy is needed. Sometimes a user can't
fix an issue, then a bug report or feature request against upstream
might be needed or help by a repair shop could be required.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Error: "system program problem" . . . the new mouse sweeps clean?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 20:49:33 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 07:48:39 -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>>it might be akin to a "multiple personality disorder.
>
>No, it's not nearly similar! Keep in mind that you are controlling the
>operating systems and that the operating systems not randomly switch
>from one to another during usage.
>
>There is one possible exception, that is similar to such a human
>disorder. A boot manager could boot into the root directory of one
>install, while booting the kernel of another install. This might cause
>no {,noticeable} issue at all or could be catastrophic.

My apologies for the unusual term, "boot manager", it should read
"bootloader".

My apologies for the bashism, but hey, it's the default login shell for
almost all Linux distros.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Error: "system program problem" . . . the new mouse sweeps clean?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 07:48:39 -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>it might be akin to a "multiple personality disorder.  

No, it's not nearly similar! Keep in mind that you are controlling the
operating systems and that the operating systems not randomly switch
from one to another during usage.

There is one possible exception, that is similar to such a human
disorder. A boot manager could boot into the root directory of one
install, while booting the kernel of another install. This might cause
no {,noticeable} issue at all or could be catastrophic.

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5.1.15.arch1-1
5.0.21_rt14-0
5.0.19_rt11-1
5.0.14_rt9-0
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Error: "system program problem" . . . the new mouse sweeps clean?

[Ralf Mardorf]

If I google for 'grub chainloading osx on apfs' the second hit is
related to a broken os-prober and seemingly efi is involved. However,
it's about another issue, at least hfs+ is used.

For a bootloader related request - especially since OSX is
involved - consider to join
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users .

On Ubuntu users there might be some OSX users subscribed who don't join
the Lubuntu mailing list.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Error: "system program problem" . . . the new mouse sweeps clean?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 22:50:10 -0700, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
>On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 04:00:55PM -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:  
>> there are some "issues" that go along with running
>> multi-boot systems
>
>Yes, this! I totally caution people against them.  

Hi,

there are absolutely no issues related to multi-boot machines [1].

In the past I have used grub legacy as well as grub 2, with a hand
written menu.lst or grub.cfg, even with chainloading FreeBSD or Windows,
too.

Just turn off that automations that write grub configurations, that
are as messy as the emails of the OP send to this mailing list.

To write readable emails I recommend to use a decent MUA.

To get rid of messy grub configurations, disable the automation, in a
way that they even can't come back by accident (e.g. during an upgrade
or release upgrade).

I wrote a script to do that, since updating the configuration is time
consuming and gains nothing. I'm using syslinux anyway, but it's easier
to keep an unused grub, due to dependencies enforced by Ubuntu and
since working around the bootloader dependencies comes with pitfalls.

See [2] for how to use dpkg-divert.

[1]
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /boot/syslinux/syslinux.cfg
# http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/Doc/menu

PROMPT 0
TIMEOUT 600
UI menu.c32
MENU HIDDEN
MENU CLEAR
MENU COLOR screen  0;30;40
MENU COLOR border  0;30;40
MENU COLOR title   1;37;44
MENU COLOR unsel   0;37;40
MENU COLOR hotkey  1;37;40
MENU COLOR hotsel  7;37;40
MENU COLOR sel 7;37;40
MENU COLOR disabled1;37;40
MENU COLOR scrollbar   0;30;40
MENU COLOR tabmsg  0;30;40
MENU COLOR cmdmark 0;31;40
MENU COLOR cmdline 0;37;40
MENU COLOR timeout_msg 0;37;40
MENU COLOR timeout 1;37;40

# Used hotkeys: ^8 ^A ^C ^e ^f ^H ^i ^K ^M ^n ^o ^P ^Q ^R ^S ^t ^V ^y
DEFAULT Cornflower

MENU TITLE HAL 9000-s3
LABEL Toolbox
MENU LABEL Toolbox
MENU DISABLE
MENU SEPARATOR


LABEL Hardware
MENU LABEL ^Hardware Detection
COM32 hdt.c32

LABEL Memtest
MENU LABEL Memtest^86+
LINUX /.boot/ubuntu_moonstudio/boot/memtest86+.bin

LABEL Reset
MENU LABEL R^eset
COM32 reboot.c32


MENU SEPARATOR
MENU SEPARATOR
LABEL Arch Menu
MENU LABEL Arch Linux
MENU DISABLE
MENU SEPARATOR


LABEL Threadirqs
MENU LABEL Arch Linux ^threadirqs
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro threadirqs
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux.img

LABEL Threadirqs_nopti
MENU LABEL Arch Linux threadirqs ^nopti
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro threadirqs nopti
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux.img

LABEL Securityink
MENU LABEL Arch Linux Rt ^Securityink
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt-securityink
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux-rt-securityink.img

# https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2018-November/295925.html
LABEL Securityink_no_micro
MENU LABEL Arch Linux Rt Securityink no micro
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt-securityink
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro
INITRD ../initramfs-linux-rt-securityink.img

# https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-proaudio/2018-February/78.html
LABEL Securityink_nopti
MENU LABEL Arch Linux Rt Securityink nopt^i
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt-securityink
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro nopti
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux-rt-securityink.img

LABEL Pussytoes
MENU LABEL Arch Linux Rt ^Pussytoes
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt-pussytoes
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux-rt-pussytoes.img

LABEL Pussytoes_nopti
MENU LABEL Arch Linux Rt Puss^ytoes nopti
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt-pussytoes
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro nopti
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux-rt-pussytoes.img

LABEL Cornflower
MENU LABEL Arch Linux Rt ^Cornflower
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt-cornflower
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux-rt-cornflower.img

LABEL Cornflower_nopti
MENU LABEL Arch Linux Rt Corn^flower nopti
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt-cornflower
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro nopti
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux-rt-cornflower.img

LABEL Rt
MENU LABEL Arch Linux ^Rt
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux-rt.img

LABEL Rt_nopti
MENU LABEL Arch Linux Rt n^opti
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux-rt
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro nopti
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux-rt.img

LABEL Arch
MENU LABEL ^Arch Linux
LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux
APPEND root=LABEL=s3.archlinux ro
INITRD ../intel-ucode.img,../initramfs-linux.img


MENU SEPARATOR
MENU SEPARATOR
LABEL Other Menu
MENU LABEL Other Linux
MENU DISABLE
MENU SEPARATOR


LABEL Moonstudio
MENU LABEL Ubuntu X ^Moon Studio lowlatency
LINUX 

Re: [lubuntu-users] The ending of various technological "waves"

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 17:19:50 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 07:57:16 -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:  
>>Still, likely at some point Debian will do with 32 bit
>>what it did with PPC??? Hard to say for sure . . . .
>
>It is not hard to say.
>https://www.dodo.com/sites/dodo/files/2018-08/Dodo_14b_Home_LRG_1014x1049_3.png
>
>Immortality does not exist.
>
>How many primary school children do you know, that remember listening
>to a recording from Jimi Hendrix? At best a teenager remembers to have
>heard one of the most sold Beatles songs, if a grandpa ever put a
>best of the Beatles record on.

PS:

I'm a guitarist and the last job I did wasn't playing electric guitar,
but in 2018 I worked as a primary-school pupil tamer half of the day
and the other half of the day, I tried to keep primary-school pupil and
teens in check. "Pluto" was a planet, but it isn't anymore ;D.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] The ending of various technological "waves"

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 07:57:16 -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>Still, likely at some point Debian will do with 32 bit
>what it did with PPC??? Hard to say for sure . . . .

It is not hard to say.
https://www.dodo.com/sites/dodo/files/2018-08/Dodo_14b_Home_LRG_1014x1049_3.png

Immortality does not exist.

How many primary school children do you know, that remember listening
to a recording from Jimi Hendrix? At best a teenager remembers to have
heard one of the most sold Beatles songs, if a grandpa ever put a
best of the Beatles record on.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Current State of Spectre and Meltdown

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 28 May 2019 15:45:12 +0100, Barry Titterton wrote:
>Is 10 years a reasonable time scale for End Of Life support for
>hardware?  

Yes, if human kind wants to go the way of the dodo bird.
No, if not.

>Is it acceptable that some manufacturers are giving much shorter
>support periods, even for serious security issues?  

Yes, if human kind wants to go the way of the dodo bird.
No, if not.

The idea of "Fridays for Future" is very good, it's just that the kids
are not credible, as long as they continue their consumer behaviour. I
know a lot of people around my age, 50+, including myself, who don't
own a mobile phone and who don't need a super fast Internet connection
24/7, if at all. The kids buy a new mobile phone on a yearly basis and
can't stay away from the Internet for longer than half a minute.

IOW what human kind wants is technical progress at any cost. Humans of
all ages pay lip services. If we look into a mirror, we see dodo birds.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Current State of Spectre and Meltdown

[Ralf Mardorf]

PS:
On Tue, 2019-05-28 at 07:35 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Your subject is misleading, since you question the support of aged CPUs.
^discontinued ;)


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Re: [lubuntu-users] Current State of Spectre and Meltdown

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

consumerism has got an upside and a downside.

Your subject is misleading, since you question the support of aged CPUs.

Your point of view takes only your field of application into account
and  apart from this you ignore the progress computers already made
before the microchips mentioned by you were available. I for example
still own a 80286. From which date on should support end? Probably the
80286 was never supported by the Linux kernel. Is Linux the measure of
all things?

The Commodore 64 I used around 30 years ago was in the same price range
as my new iPad Pro 3rd generation today. The C64 was used as a MIDI
sequencer with a click thingy to sync to a tape recorder (years later
it was replaced by an Atari ST with SMPTE to sync to a tape recorder).
In addition I needed a studio full of expensive synth and effect gear
that was way more expensive than those computers. For the iPad I only
need a cheap pro-sumer audio interface and to purchase a few
proprietary apps in a price range of what was needed just to get one
synthesizer around 30 years ago. You indeed could get a second hand PC
and free as in beer Linux audio applications, but you cannot replace
the aged synthesizers and the old effect gear completely with a Linux
machine, because the virtual free as in beer synthesizers and effects
do not nearly sound as good as the old studio gear does. If you pay
software for the relatively expensive iPad, you can replace almost all
of the old gear.

A lot of hardware and software development happened and still happens
because it's coupled with consumerism. While software development for
free as in beer is possible to some degree, CPU development and
fabrication has got a price.

I'm neither unconditionally pro consumerism, nor naive against it.

Who should pay the people for supporting a microchip bought 10 years
ago in the price range of what we pay to get the food we need in just
one week? Should they also continue to develop newer CPUs? Who should
pay for the development, if we continue using old machines?

I dislike, if people buy a new computer each year. I tend to use my PCs
for around 10 years, if possible, often the PCs already fail before
they are 10 years old. Some of us are able to repair broken computer
gear, but often it doesn't pay to repair old computers. For the
majority of people who need to pay a repair shop, it's cheaper to get a
new PC from the discounter, by the way, with the latest release of
Windows pre-installed.

Regards,
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Re: [lubuntu-users] contributions (was: 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 02 May 2019 14:19:42 -0700, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984

Hi Walter,

when running Polyphone from command line this issue happens, too,
_but_ the app neither does crash nor freeze, it continues to work
without a noticeable issue.

Homepage:
https://www.polyphone-soundfonts.com/en/

Download page, including the source code:
https://www.polyphone-soundfonts.com/en/download

Link to the Ubuntu Bionic Beaver amd64 package:
https://www.polyphone-soundfonts.com/en/download/file/620-polyphone-2-0-1-ubuntu18-04-amd64-deb/latest/download?278e23df6085803871a9b87940862c23=1=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cucG9seXBob25lLXNvdW5kZm9udHMuY29tJTJGZW4lMkZkb3dubG9hZA==

I run it on Arch Linux, using the Arch community package:
https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/polyphone/

To reproduce the issue create a free
account(https://www.polyphone-soundfonts.com/en/component/payplans/plan/subscribe)
just download a few sf.2 soundfonts some with a web browser and other
with the app's included browser, load them and convert them to sfz. Also
take a look at the features/tabs without using them. Soon or later it
should happen and it seems to provide a core dump, _while it still
continues to work without failure_. I've got no time for further
investigations, since I need to get audio work done. I just want to
inform about this.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [lubuntu-users] contributions (was: 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 3 May 2019 21:05:42 -0700, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
>On Fri, May 03, 2019 at 06:48:13AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> That xcb multi-threaded client crab is no issue at all for my Ubuntu
>> 16.04 install, but a PITA for my Arch Linux install. Since I never
>> used pcmanfm, it's Claws that suffers from this issue on my Arch
>> install.  
>
>Are there any related bug reports on the Arch side or any discussion
>you've had with Arch support on this?

No, but there was a discussion on the Claws mailing list and a user
reported the bug:
https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4203


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Re: [lubuntu-users] contributions (was: 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2019-05-02 at 14:19 -0700, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984

On Arch and Ubuntu 16.04 I'm using SpaceFM, resp. most of the times no
file manager at all. On Arch Linux I migrated from the SpaceFM GTK2 to
the GTK3 version. I prefer the terminal, usually roxterm over a file
manager. Roxterm is available by a package for 16.04, but not for 18.04,
grr. It was temporarily not maintained by upstream, due to GTK
annoyances.

I consider to do a release upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 of my openbox
Ubuntu install and after that to install 
https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/lubuntu-desktop.

That xcb multi-threaded client crab is no issue at all for my Ubuntu
16.04 install, but a PITA for my Arch Linux install. Since I never used
pcmanfm, it's Claws that suffers from this issue on my Arch install.

I'm not a coder. I was mainly an Assembly coder decades ago for
non-Linux machines. I suspect that I will be less helpful, than you hope
I could be.


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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Ralf Mardorf]

n Thu, 02 May 2019 13:04:08 -0700, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
>On 2019-05-02 20:01, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> I've got deep respect regarding your effort, especially since it
>> seems to be a trivial issue. IMO it isn't that trivial.  
>
>In the end, all bugs are relevant. Of course, some are higher priority
>than others. This one's probably not the biggest one we have to deal
>with, but I've brought it up before in another form, so I don't think
>it's unimportant. 
>
>That said, it would be certainly easier to fix all the bugs if we had
>more help… so if you're looking for something to do, Ralf… ☺

Actually my everyday Linux is Arch Linux running an openbox session.
Sometimes I alternatively boot into my Ubuntu 16.04 openbox session.

IOW Lubuntu isn't my first choice ;), but it is interesting to me,
sometimes helpful to handle my openbox installs :).

Indeed, I could and should install a Lubuntu release. However, Arch
Linux openbox sessions are most important to me and as a backup for the
most worst case, I'll maintain an Ubuntu openbox install.

I'm willing to install Lubuntu, _too_ and to use it from time to time.
If possible I'm willing to contribute in one way or the other. Until
now I tend to get in contact with upstream, e.g
https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/bugs/751/ ;).

I don't have got a Lubuntu install on bare matel. I'm willing to install
a Lubuntu release and to use it from time to time. Should I install a
LTS or the latest release to be a little bit helpful to you?

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 02 May 2019 12:19:17 -0700, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
>On 2019-04-26 16:01, Mark F wrote:  
>> I know the installer and Xubuntu aren't your (Walter's) department.
>> I'm just wondering if that would be another way to look at it?
>> Lubuntu uses 4.5gb. But, required 8gb to pass the installer's
>> requirement.
>
>How the installer is configured for Lubuntu is (Xubuntu uses something
>totally different), so I've made a [task][1] to resolve this in some
>form or another.
>
>[1]: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T72  

I've got deep respect regarding your effort, especially since it seems
to be a trivial issue. IMO it isn't that trivial.

Well done :)!

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 08:35:08 -0700, Mark F wrote:
>That's impressive you figure all that out  

+1

Well done!

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Ralf Mardorf]

>If you zoom in, you might notice that it has got a 80268 CPU  

Oops, that will hardly pappen, since it's a 80286 :D.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

don't worry, this reply continues the off-topic discussion, but then
"RTN" on-topic.

On Thu, 2019-04-25 at 16:31 +0200, Liam Proven wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 16:07, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
> > "Ordinary" people wonder why the values aren't 250 instead of 256, 500
> > instead of 512, 1000 instead of 1024. They might or might not understand
> > the technically reasons. However, they don't gain anything from base 10
> > over base 2.
> 
> Sure. But the battle was lost even in 1985 when Atari did this:
> 
> http://www.atarimania.com/catalog-atari-atari-germany-10-85_108_S.html
> 
> The Atari ST 520 had 512 kiB of RAM, but Atari "rounded it up." The ST
> 1040 had twice that, but it had to be twice the "520" model's, so even
> though there is no way that 1024 kiB can be rounded to 1040 kB, the
> model was named 1040.

That is an absurd comparison.

The prospectus is completely confusing, it claims that the 520 ST comes
with 1 MB main memory.

My original Atari 520 ST user manual mentions 512 KB RAM and 192 KB ROM,
where the manual's "KB" is for KiB. IIRC software, but without doubts
the manual and related books use base 2 without any rounding at all.

I doubt that the rounded off name should fake to provide 520 KiB, nor do
I think that it does confuse. I dislike it anyway and guess 512 would
have been a better choice for the name.

Here is a photo of my Atari 520 ST: https://i.imgur.com/lx5pucp.jpg
You might notice that the original 512 KiB are replaced by a (4 MiB) PC
RAM bar and a few cables. If you zoom in, you might notice that it has
got a 80268 CPU (in addition to the original MC68000). Unfortunately
it's more or less impossible to add a blitter to the 520 ST, but TOS is
replaced by a later release, too.

I don't have seen a lot of Atari ST, TT etc. without modifications, but
probably thousands with modifications, most of them for sure with a
hardware QL emulator. It was another time when we used this machine and
other than the Amiga, the ST was mainly used by what we might call
nowadays "nerds". Most of them for sure QL nerds. Another that large
group often were "ordinary people" who were musicians, but probably with
friends like me who were musicians as well as "techies" who again had
other friends who were "techies", too.

Apropos emulations. The OP wrote: "I created a 6g QEMU image."

"Ordinary people" unlikely will use QEMU. IMO handling "space" used by
emulations is more easily done by taking care about base 2 unites, than
base 10.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2019-04-25 at 08:08 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 17:21:51 -0700, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
> > Base 10 *IS* the standard, according to the IEEE, so I would consider
> > it a bug against whomever is using base 2.
> 
> What are physical incorrect values good for?
> 
> It's implausible that making a physical incorrect measuring unit a
> standard does avoid confusion, actually it was the original culprit for
> confusion.
> 
> As somebody who started Assembly programming on the Breadbox I
> vehemently disagree, everybody using base 10 should be shot immediately!

PS:

It's paradox to claim that a device is capable of 16 G, 32 G, 64 G,
128 G, 256 G, 512 G, 1024 G etc. if "G" isn't base 2, since those values
imply base 2.


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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 17:21:51 -0700, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
>Base 10 *IS* the standard, according to the IEEE, so I would consider
>it a bug against whomever is using base 2.

What are physical incorrect values good for?

It's implausible that making a physical incorrect measuring unit a
standard does avoid confusion, actually it was the original culprit for
confusion.

As somebody who started Assembly programming on the Breadbox I
vehemently disagree, everybody using base 10 should be shot immediately!

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Re: [lubuntu-users] C4C Lubuntu ReSpin18.04.2

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 12:49:35 -0700, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
>On 2019-04-17 15:01, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> Please be considerate and respectful to everyone.  
>
>This is only truly possible where we are able to welcome and accept
>each other's differences, even where it goes against our better
>judgement. Please do so.

I'm neither against the OP's three off-topic emails, nor against Liam's
objection and I also tolerate your opinion, I just don't agree with you.

>Finally, this mailing list is not for these sorts of discussions. You
>are welcome to bring up the subject to the [Lubuntu Council][1] should
>you so choose. Until then, please discontinue the discussions here.

It wasn't me who started a discussion!

>[1]: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-council

There's no need to discuss it further. You opinion is clear, it's
considerate and respectful to spread a world view threaten nonbelievers
with the Apocalypse. IOW spreading torment, blood and thunder is ok
and Liam's objection is beneath contempt.

I disagree, but tolerate it for this mailing list, but for sure not for
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Re: [lubuntu-users] C4C Lubuntu ReSpin18.04.2

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 09:00:32 -0700, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
>On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 04:53:47PM +0100, Liam Proven wrote:  
>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 11:09, Ben Johnston
>>  wrote:
>> > Being considerate and respectful are the first two paragraphs of
>> > the Ubuntu code of conduct.
>> Does it also say "use plain text, no formatting" and "please
>> bottom-post on mailing lists"?
>> No? Well it should. Please do.
>
>No, but it it does say to be considerate and respectful, so I would
>urge you to do that from here on out. That is a far more egregious
>misstep than anything else in this thread. Long story short: if you
>don't have something nice to say, please don't say anything at all.  

Indeed Liam acted like a child. OTOH please don't be unfair. Liam's
original post wasn't without reason.

The OP has written

"The C4C Lubuntu ReSpin has just been updated to 18.04.2."

Would you tolerate

"The Fiat Lux [1] Lubuntu ReSpin has just been updated to 18.04.2"?

The topic of today are the "Notre Dame donations". It's just a
historical building, owned by the rich catholic Church and/or France.
Nobody donates enough to help a poor fellow citizen who lose everything
due to a fire. Nobody donates nearly enough to help people who die of
hunger, who don't have a home at all, they could lose by a fire. To
rebuild a Gothic church owned by the super-rich, people donate an
exorbitant amount of money. All done for the sake of a god that does
not exist and/or for hysterical raisins, while people who really exist
suffer from life-threatening poorness. This is at least one outcomes of
Christianisation.

Maybe we should care more about the living, than about imaginary
friends.

It's your opinion that Liam made "a far more egregious misstep". Yes,
Liam made an infantile fightback. However, please don't lose
perspective. While I also disagree with Liams original standpoint, IMO
Liam's original standpoint is understandable and as tolerable as the
OP's intention to introduce C4C.

Please be considerate and respectful to everyone.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Lux_(UFO_religion)

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Wish list for Lu Disco

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 11:38:16 +0200, Liam Proven wrote:
>That's surprising to me. You'd start a computer in order to put it to
>sleep? How bizarre! :-)

Hi,

a modern tablet PC doesn't need much power when being idle, but for old
computers battery charge could be something to consider. Nowadays nobody
other than Donald likes a shutdown.

Apropos tablet PC, I'm running iOS 12.2 as VirtualBox guest on a
Linux host, see https://i.imgur.com/4rHkCs4.jpg and regarding a hickup
with iOS as a guest, consider to read
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2019-April/296577.html.

Regards,
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lu Next Accessories . . . not all make appearance??

[Ralf Mardorf]

PS:

Note, the daily Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic builds are "not current". It's
under development, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases .

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lu Next Accessories . . . not all make appearance??

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On Thu, 5 Jul 2018 07:37:00 -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>if I was to move to 18.10 is there a command to do that via the
>console?

http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man8/do-release-upgrade.8.html
https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html

>"apt full-upgrade"? [snip] "dist-upgrade"

Are the regular daily upgrades done within a release, you need to
perform 'do-release-upgrade -d'.

Running it the first time should upgrade from Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS to
Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, since a default release upgrade should only happen
from Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS to Ubuntu 18.04.01 LTS. Running it a second
time should then work to upgrade from 18.04 LTS to Ubuntu 18.10.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Tower PC, lubuntu and Qt

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On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 20:38:23 +0100, Ian Bruntlett wrote:
>Thanks. I've read both pages and need just a little bit more
>guidance...
>
>I have successfully installled Ubuntu 18.04 and ran Software Updater.
>
>In my searches, I found this suggestion:-
>sudo apt-get update
>sudo apt-get install lxqt openbox
>
>What do you think of it? Should I follow those instructions or should
>I:- sudo apt-get update
>sudo apt-get install lubuntu-qt-desktop
>
>Or do something else?  

Please reply to the mailing list.

lxqt is a hard dependency of lubuntu-qt-desktop. Take a look at the
packages, the meta-packages will install. If I would like to test and/or
use lxqt, I wouldn't install a meta-package at all.

If you want to go with a meta-package consider to start with e.g.

  sudo apt install --no-install-recommends lxqt

"no-install-recommends" ensures that e.g. firefox isn't installed,
instead of firefox, you might want to install falkon. At another time
you easily could install more packages. Note, the meta-package includes

"xfwm4
window manager of the Xfce project 
or x-window-manager
virtual package provided by [show 58 providing packages]"

x-window-manager is a virtual package for e.g. openbox.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Tower PC, lubuntu and Qt

[Ralf Mardorf]

> On 30 Jun 2018, at 21:11, Ian Bruntlett  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a tower PC that I had refurbished for a friend who turned out not to 
> have enough room for it in her new flat.
> 
> So it is knocking around, not doing much. Thought it might be interesting to 
> try LxQt - is it still called that or is it now officially Lubuntu Next?
> 
> I've done some Googling, done some askubuntu.com searches and am still not 
> 100% sure how to go about installing LxQt. Suggestions, anyone?

"Lubuntu will transition from LXDE to the LXQt desktop with the release of 
Lubuntu 18.10 in October 2018." - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu

You could install any Ubuntu flavor or install from the server image and 
install a meta-package https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/lxqt or 
https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/lubuntu-qt-desktop .



> 
> Thanks :)
> 
> 
> Ian
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Re: [lubuntu-users] favorite flavor

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On Mon, 21 May 2018 05:57:28 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>The poll is not about preferred desktop environment, but about
>>preferred flavor. For such people, the answer is most appropriately
>>"none."  
>
>Full ACK, to improve the poll there perhaps should be two additional
>options one for "plain Ubuntu" and another for "people using the *buntu
>infrastructure, but neither plain Ubuntu, nor an Ubuntu flavour". This
>might be from value to understand the result you get by explicitly
>asking for Ubuntu flavours only. Without doubts it should be mentioned
>that "*buntu infrastructure" is for Ubuntu and it's flavours only,
>excluding other distros based upon Ubuntu, such as Mint.

A "customized" Ubuntu install is not necessarily about the chosen WM/DE
and basic applications such as terminal emulations. Much more important
could be e.g. services that are not started at startup. It's one of the
most week points of Ubuntu and it's flavours, that by default everything
gets started, for no good reasons, but allegedly user-friendliness.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] favorite flavor

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On Sun, 20 May 2018 19:38:19 -0700, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
>On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 04:30:40AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> Actually for the supported releases trusty (EOL April 2019) and
>> xenial (EOL April 2021) Ubuntu GNOME is a flavour,  
>
>Which I would consider an inactive flavor, since, as such, it doesn't
>exist anymore. That's open to interpretation, but that's the exception
>for sure.

IMO it's an important exception. Ubuntu Studio is another exception,
since it's based upon another Ubuntu flavour and it's discussed to
migrate from one Ubuntu flavour to another as the Ubuntu Studio base.

>>i such polls exclude the majority
>> or minority (we don't know) of Ubuntu users who don't stay with a
>> default of any flavour.  
>
>The poll is not about preferred desktop environment, but about
>preferred flavor. For such people, the answer is most appropriately
>"none."

Full ACK, to improve the poll there perhaps should be two additional
options one for "plain Ubuntu" and another for "people using the *buntu
infrastructure, but neither plain Ubuntu, nor an Ubuntu flavour". This
might be from value to understand the result you get by explicitly
asking for Ubuntu flavours only. Without doubts it should be mentioned
that "*buntu infrastructure" is for Ubuntu and it's flavours only,
excluding other distros based upon Ubuntu, such as Mint.

>> What's meaningful with an "informal, fun poll", let alone that this
>> poll is at least not announced at Ubuntu Studio users, Kubuntu users,
>> Xubuntu users, Ubuntu users and perhaps other *buntu users lists,
>> too.  
>
>It was announced to all the flavor leads on #ubuntu-flavors all of
>which could easily announce it however they like. There's nothing
>keeping any of them from announcing it Slashdot, for that matter.

The Ubuntu users mailing list is the most important mailing list, what
ever Ubuntu flavour a user prefers, so to improve the result of the poll
you should consider to announce it at least there, too.

To get a reasonable statistic is alchemy. I'm for sure not an expert,
but I've got doubts that this poll is reasonable in any way.
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Re: [lubuntu-users] favorite flavor

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On Sun, 20 May 2018 10:16:15 -0700, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
>On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 06:57:54PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:  
>> Let alone that *buntu users might start with e.g. a server
>> image to do a tailored desktop install, while OTOH Ubuntu Budgie is
>> that new, that it's unlikely worse to count it yet, if you want to
>> get a real impression of the users' needs. Let alone that Ubuntu of
>> different releases ships with a different desktop environment, that
>> not necessarily is good covered by "inactive flavour". IOW so or so
>> this poll does result in a completely meaningless statistic.
>
>It's a perfectful meaningful statistic for what's referred as an
>"informal, fun poll" concerning only official flavors. The set you
>describe is not an official flavor. I wouldn't consider vanilla Ubuntu
>a flavor (sorry but "plain" is not a flavor). Inactive flavors are only
>for those official flavors that aren't currently releasing, such as
>Edubuntu and Mythbuntu. In any case, I'd continue conversations like
>this on that poll.  

Actually for the supported releases trusty (EOL April 2019) and xenial
(EOL April 2021) Ubuntu GNOME is a flavour, for those releases Ubuntu
still ships with Unity. Apart from this such polls exclude the majority
or minority (we don't know) of Ubuntu users who don't stay with a
default of any flavour. I installed from the server image and unchecked
as much of it's default packages as possible and after that installed
what I want, btw. no DE at all, plain openbox, but with e.g. lxpanel (+
fbpanel).

What's meaningful with an "informal, fun poll", let alone that this
poll is at least not announced at Ubuntu Studio users, Kubuntu users,
Xubuntu users, Ubuntu users and perhaps other *buntu users lists, too.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] favorite flavor

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On Sun, 20 May 2018 10:36:59 -0600, Aere Greenway wrote:
>I tried to vote, but it is asking me to create a new account.

Confirmed! Let alone that *buntu users might start with e.g. a server
image to do a tailored desktop install, while OTOH Ubuntu Budgie is
that new, that it's unlikely worse to count it yet, if you want to get a
real impression of the users' needs. Let alone that Ubuntu of different
releases ships with a different desktop environment, that not
necessarily is good covered by "inactive flavour". IOW so or so this
poll does result in a completely meaningless statistic.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] How to display all boot msgs during boot

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 20:34:38 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 10:02:24 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:
>>Trump does not actually speak english.  He speaks an archaic 13th
>>century form of german spoken only in and around what is now called
>>Kallstadt in Germany.
>>
>>You have to look really close to see it, but Donald actually wears an
>>interpreter implanted in his mouth that converts the archaic German to
>>modern english.  It's set to add lots of superlatives.
>>
>>Instead of listening to him, you could just buy an interpreter like
>>his but you'd have to get him to tell you where he got it.  It's
>>highly secret information and I probably shouldn't  have mentioned
>>it.
>
>I'm a German, but I neither speak any kind of archaic German, nor
>freakish dialects such as Hutterites, so the translater unfortunately
>doesn't work for me. I already own one, purchased by the dark web,
>payed with bitcoins.

FWIW Hutterites are using the same German vocabulary as I do, but they
are using Martian syntax, instead of German syntax.


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Re: [lubuntu-users] How to display all boot msgs during boot

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 20:34:38 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 10:02:24 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:  
>>Trump does not actually speak english.  He speaks an archaic 13th
>>century form of german spoken only in and around what is now called
>>Kallstadt in Germany.
>>
>>You have to look really close to see it, but Donald actually wears an
>>interpreter implanted in his mouth that converts the archaic German to
>>modern english.  It's set to add lots of superlatives.
>>
>>Instead of listening to him, you could just buy an interpreter like
>>his but you'd have to get him to tell you where he got it.  It's
>>highly secret information and I probably shouldn't  have mentioned
>>it.  
>
>I'm a German, but I neither speak any kind of archaic German, nor
>freakish dialects such as Hutterites, so the translater unfortunately
>doesn't work for me. I already own one, purchased by the dark web,
>payed with bitcoins.  

FWIW Hutterites are using the same German vocabulary as I do, but they
are using Martian syntax, instead of German syntax.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] How to display all boot msgs during boot

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On Sun, 2018-01-28 at 20:34 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 10:02:24 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:
> > Trump does not actually speak english.  He speaks an archaic 13th
> > century form of german spoken only in and around what is now called
> > Kallstadt in Germany.
> > 
> > You have to look really close to see it, but Donald actually wears an
> > interpreter implanted in his mouth that converts the archaic German to
> > modern english.  It's set to add lots of superlatives.
> > 
> > Instead of listening to him, you could just buy an interpreter like
> > his but you'd have to get him to tell you where he got it.  It's
> > highly secret information and I probably shouldn't  have mentioned
> > it.  
> 
> I'm a German, but I neither speak any kind of archaic German, nor
> freakish dialects such as Hutterites, so the translater unfortunately
> doesn't work for me. I already own one, purchased by the dark web,
> payed with bitcoins.
> 
> I found this German link
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschlag_(Waffe)#Schie%C3%9Fpositionen_Faustfeuerwaffe
>  .
> German gun freaks seems to be behind the times regarding shooting
> position. Actually it's not my, but your domain. Watching Hoolywood
> movies I got the impression that it's usefull to to do a 180.

Oops, it should read a 90° movement and not a 180° movement of the hand
position.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] How to display all boot msgs during boot

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 10:02:24 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:
>Trump does not actually speak english.  He speaks an archaic 13th
>century form of german spoken only in and around what is now called
>Kallstadt in Germany.
>
>You have to look really close to see it, but Donald actually wears an
>interpreter implanted in his mouth that converts the archaic German to
>modern english.  It's set to add lots of superlatives.
>
>Instead of listening to him, you could just buy an interpreter like
>his but you'd have to get him to tell you where he got it.  It's
>highly secret information and I probably shouldn't  have mentioned
>it.  

I'm a German, but I neither speak any kind of archaic German, nor
freakish dialects such as Hutterites, so the translater unfortunately
doesn't work for me. I already own one, purchased by the dark web,
payed with bitcoins.

I found this German link
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschlag_(Waffe)#Schie%C3%9Fpositionen_Faustfeuerwaffe
 .
German gun freaks seems to be behind the times regarding shooting
position. Actually it's not my, but your domain. Watching Hoolywood
movies I got the impression that it's usefull to to do a 180.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] How to display all boot msgs during boot

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 01:07:13 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:
>Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net>
>writes:
>
>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 00:27:55 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:  
>>>I was capable of 2783.7 lines per second (last time I was tested
>>>[about 2 yrs ago]) so boot msgs are easy-squeezy.
>>>
>>>My grand kids hate it when I read out loud to them.  They tell me
>>>that instead of individual words all they here is a midrange extended
>>>whistle.
>>
>> It's unlikely the "midrange extended whistle" they dislike, even
>> ifthey claim that it's the whistle, more likely they hate the
>> content. Who wants to listen to "ok, started load/save random seed"
>> and similar content, when the grandpa could tell stories from his
>> job as a sniper assassin? Do you know the truth about the JFK
>> assassination? Perhaps a workmate was hired by Elvis Presley to do
>> this job? Ok, if you would tell us, you would have to kill us
>> afterwards. We are ok with that.  
>
>That's a myth about having to kill folks after divulging secrets.  They
>stopped that requirement in the early 90's what they came up with was
>really prescient, as you will notice ... Folks are made to listen to
>Donald Trump for a solid 5 hours.
>
>They started out with 10 hrs but too many people were showing signs of
>PTDS.

I like to listen to Donald Trump a lot. English isn't my native
language, so I unfortunately still need to learn how to speak
English less broken than I do it now. In the past it was done by books
for children, teaching short sentences with less vocabulary, such as "my
name is Tim", "I'm Peggy", "how are you Peggy" ... nowadays the POTUS
does help a lot, I don't need the children learning books anymore.
Mr. Trump's intention is just to help making English a more wide spread
universal language. Don't be unfair! All he does is a great job!

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Re: [lubuntu-users] How to display all boot msgs during boot

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 00:27:55 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:
>I was capable of 2783.7 lines per second (last time I was tested [about
>2 yrs ago]) so boot msgs are easy-squeezy.
>
>My grand kids hate it when I read out loud to them.  They tell me that
>instead of individual words all they here is a midrange extended
>whistle.  

It's unlikely the "midrange extended whistle" they dislike, even ifthey
claim that it's the whistle, more likely they hate the content. Who
wants to listen to "ok, started load/save random seed" and similar
content, when the grandpa could tell stories from his job as a sniper
assassin? Do you know the truth about the JFK assassination? Perhaps a
workmate was hired by Elvis Presley to do this job? Ok, if you would
tell us, you would have to kill us afterwards. We are ok with that.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] How to display all boot msgs during boot

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On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 21:51:51 +, Ian Bruntlett wrote:
>Hi Harry,
>
>On 27 January 2018 at 19:01, Harry Putnam  wrote:
>
>> How can I cause the boot msgs produced when lubuntu boots up to be
>> displayed on the boot screen
>>
>> Pressing `esc' causes some to show but I can see that some have
>> already flew by.
>>
>> I want to see everthing from grub screen all the way to final login
>> screen.
>>
>
>The Linux Kernel has a Ring buffer of messages.
>
>To see it, try this command:-
>dmesg | less
>
>To find out more about that command try:
>man dmesg

While I always booted with shown startup messages and edited grub.cfg
directly in the past and nowadyas use syslinux, the answer to the OP's
question is provided by

https://askubuntu.com/questions/33416/how-do-i-disable-the-boot-splash-screen-and-only-show-kernel-and-boot-text-inst
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2331376
etc.

This is the kind of request, that usually is replied with a
http://lmgtfy.com/ link ;).

However, booting a modern Linux install from a SSD taking a look at the
log files most of the times is more useful, than trying to follow the
startup messages during startup ;). Actually booting my current Ubuntu
or Arch Linux install from a SSD is that fast, that the displayed
messages are seldom readable.

Note, I'm using a relatively modern, but slow CPU and stratup already is
too fast to read the messages. I still preffer startup messages over
eye candy as a matter of (nowadays unreasonable) principle.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] flash in browsers

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https://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/

https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/google_chrome

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Re: [lubuntu-users] flash in browsers

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On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 05:26:56 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 22:03:49 -0600, Israel wrote:
>>On 01/20/2018 07:51 AM, Harry Putnam wrote:
>>> Recent install of lunbuntu 17.18
>>>
>>> Attemting to watch msnbc `full episodes' in Chromium-browser I get
>>> messages saying:
>>>
>>>To watch this video, download or enable the adobe flash player
>>>plug-in in your security preferences
>>>
>>> What do we use for `flash' in lubuntu?
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>Hi simply install
>>
>>pepperflashplugin-nonfree
>>
>>from your terminal/gui software installer and you will have Google's
>>built-in flash available
>
>Since the OP anyway wants to use chromium, just migrating to chrome IMO
>seems to be the better solution.
>
>The OP also asked at Ubuntu users, see
>
>https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2018-January/293220.html
>
>My reply provides the links to download chrome, as well as a link to a
>comparison between chromium and chrome, see
>
>https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2018-January/293223.html

PS: "for Pepper Flash Player the Debian package downloads Google
Chrome, and then unpacks it to make the included Pepper Flash Player
available for use with Chromium"
- https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer

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Re: [lubuntu-users] flash in browsers

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On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 22:03:49 -0600, Israel wrote:
>On 01/20/2018 07:51 AM, Harry Putnam wrote:  
>> Recent install of lunbuntu 17.18
>>
>> Attemting to watch msnbc `full episodes' in Chromium-browser I get
>> messages saying:
>>
>>To watch this video, download or enable the adobe flash player
>>plug-in in your security preferences
>>
>> What do we use for `flash' in lubuntu?
>>
>>
>>
>Hi simply install
>
>pepperflashplugin-nonfree
>
>from your terminal/gui software installer and you will have Google's
>built-in flash available  

Since the OP anyway wants to use chromium, just migrating to chrome IMO
seems to be the better solution.

The OP also asked at Ubuntu users, see

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2018-January/293220.html

My reply provides the links to download chrome, as well as a link to a
comparison between chromium and chrome, see

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2018-January/293223.html

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Re: [lubuntu-users] lubuntu social media page shut down because of legal threats from Rafael Laguna

[Ralf Mardorf]

This is plain nonsense:
> Clarification: The user is using a Ubuntu flavour Icon and Name
> (Lubuntu and the icon of Lubuntu) all of them registered by Canonical
> Ltd, UK, and allowed to be used only in the website http://lubuntu.me  
   
  ^
  
> as indicated in the countersigned licence attached.  
  ^^^

From the http://lubuntu.me/ footer:

"Lubuntu and Ubuntu are registered trademarks of Canonical Ltd. Content
is licensed by Creative Commons License
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/.;

Let alone that the Lubuntu logo itself includes the LXDE icon, so it
would be fishy, if it wouldn't be allowed to use the Lubuntu logo.

From https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/:

"(CC BY-NC-ND 4.0)
This is a human-readable summary of (and not a substitute for) the
license. Disclaimer. You are free to:

Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format

The licensor cannot revoke these freedoms as long as you follow the
license terms.

Under the following terms:

Attribution — You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to
the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in
any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the
licensor endorses you or your use.

NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial
purposes.

NoDerivatives — If you remix, transform, or build upon the
material, you may not distribute the modified material.

No additional restrictions — You may not apply legal terms or
technological measures that legally restrict others from doing
anything the license permits.

Notices:

You do not have to comply with the license for elements of the
material in the public domain or where your use is permitted by an
applicable exception or limitation. No warranties are given. The
license may not give you all of the permissions necessary for your
intended use. For example, other rights such as publicity, privacy,
or moral rights may limit how you use the material."

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Re: [lubuntu-users] no swap file

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 10:44:10 +0800, Kaitlyn Ashely wrote:
>Because the Linux use the swap space to connect the memory and hard
>disk as bridge, it not necessary, but if you have swap space better
>then not have it.  

No swap or a swap much smaller than nowadays common RAM sizes might
cause issues to those who want to suspend to disk/hibernate ;).

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Support

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PS:

If RAM bars mounted to computer A should fail Memtest, do the same RAM
bars fail Memtest when mounted to computer B?

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Support

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 15:37:50 +, Ian Bruntlett wrote:
>Given personal experience of refurbishing computers for the Contact
>Computer Wombling/Refurbishing Project, I have found that when a
>computer I'm working on fails to run memtest86+ , that computer is not
>reliable enough for normal use. After a memtest86+ test has been
>passed, I wipe the hard drive using dban. If that fails, it is a
>strong indication that I'm going to have to change the hard drive.

I'm using Memtest myself as a point of reference to keep in mind, but
de facto RAM could be 100% ok after it failed and it could be borked
after it passed Memtest, let alone that one of the computers I tested
always failed when using Memtest from Ubuntu repositories and
always passed Memtest of the same version, when using a Memtest live
CD, both after shut down and disconnecting the PC from the mains.

There are tons of other possibilities that could cause issues, even
clearing CMOS _without_ replacing the battery could solve a lot of
issues.

Just running Memtest gains absolutely nothing. Running Memtest in
combination with other tests and actions is very helpful.

Smartctl is not perfect, but another link in the chain, even unplugging
SATA cables and connecting them again is important and so on and so
forth...

Just running one test, especially the free as in beer Memtest release
gains absolutely nothing, at least taking a look at /var/log,
journalctl and Co in combination with software testing hardware and
remounting, cleaning, etc. should be done. More experienced users could
use coolant spray etc. ...

Always keep in mind that measuring a faulty system by software running
on this system is fishy. A repair shop always tests equipment with
other equipment galvanically isolated from the mains.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Support

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On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 07:27:39 -0700, Mark F wrote:
>It was so strange. I used Windows 95% of the time. It didn't freeze
>(even when installing it). But, for some reason Linux touched that bad
>memory in a way that caused my computer to hang.

Linux does use all available RAM, not only regarding Physical Address
Extension (PAE). 1. Windows might not have provided Physical Address
Extension (PAE). 2. Even if Windows should have had access to all
available RAM, it not necessarily does use all available RAM to cache
or as tmpfs or ... as Linux does.

Apart from this, it might have been a BIOS issue and maybe the RAM
wasn't bad. Memtest is _not_ reliable. Using Memtest makes sense, but
you shouldn't trust it.

If RAM shouldn't pass Memtest you need to rule out other issues, at
least you should replug the RAM bars.

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[lubuntu-users] Privacy and security - Was: Lubuntu's repository

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

to grant privacy and security it's important to check the ISO against a
signed checksum by a trusted key.

If this isn't done in the first place, all following efforts to grant
protection could be futile.

So for Tails read
https://tails.boum.org/install/download/openpgp/index.en.html .

To get 64 bit architecture Ubuntu desktop flavours including an
automatically check against a signed checksum, I wrote the attached
script.

After saving the attached script as

  luamd64_1610.sh

change to the directory were you saved it by running

  cd /path/to/the/script/

then run

  chmod a+x luamd64_1610.sh

and after that e.g. run

  ./luamd64_1610.sh lubuntu 17.10

Note, still one issue remains when using this script
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust .

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu's repository

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 20:14:20 -0600, Israel wrote:
>If you wanted privacy because you were in an oppressive country trying
>to have more freedom of information I would give you names of programs
>you could use to help, as well as specific distributions which would
>make your internet activity less easy to track.  

Hi,

don't pussyfoot around.

Noobs should consider to use

https://tails.boum.org/

since it helps top avoid some mistakes.

However, inform yourself about issues by reading

https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#AmITotallyAnonymous
https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#AttacksOnOnionRouting

and other information provided by the TOR project.

I dislike criminals and I much more dislike the media claiming that TOR
is much misused for illegal activities. Those claims are bullshit,
since only a criminal idiot would use TOR and care about the pitfalls of
TOR.

https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#Criminals

"Doesn't Tor enable criminals to do bad things?

Criminals can already do bad things. Since they're willing to break
laws, they already have lots of options available that provide better
privacy than Tor provides. They can steal cell phones, use them, and
throw them in a ditch; they can crack into computers in Korea or Brazil
and use them to launch abusive activities; they can use spyware,
viruses, and other techniques to take control of literally millions of
Windows machines around the world.

Tor aims to provide protection for ordinary people who want to follow
the law. Only criminals have privacy right now, and we need to fix
that." - https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq-abuse.html.en

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Support

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 15:25:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>If you should use another browser, take a look at
>
>  name_of_the_browser --hel
   ^
   --help

FWIW if you shouldn't know the name of the browser's command you could
type the first letters of the name and then push the tab key

If I e.g. type

  google

and push the tab-key, I get recommendations

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ google-
google-chrome-stable  google-earth

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Support

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 14:05:44 +, Ian Bruntlett wrote:
>If you get any error from the memory testing, you need to get someone
>to help you with your hardware

Not necessarily, Memtest could fail. If the installed Memtest should
show errors, I still would use an original Memtest live media and run it
again, even if it's the same version of Memtest. If it also should
fail, I would unplug the RAM bars and then mount them again and repeat
Memtest from the live media. If it still would fail, I would test one
RAM bar after another mounted to the computer only.

However, if the RAM should pass the tests it not necessarily is ok or if
it should fail the tests it not necessarily is broken.

That the computer does freeze or what ever "hangs" should be for, could
be caused by different culprits. More often a disk fails, than RAM.
Taking a look at the disks with smartctl could be helpful, but also
isn't without failure.

Does only the browser cause issues? If so, are there any error messages,
e.g. in

   ~/.xsession-errors*

Does Ctrl+Alt+F-keys work? E.g.

  Ctrl+Alt+F2

then e.g. run

  killall name_of_the_browser

e.g.

  killall firefox

You could go back with

  Ctrl+Alt+F7

and then open a terminal and run the browser from command line, to
probably get clear output.

E.g. run

  firefox --safe-mode

and after that run

  firefox

perhaps running it with a new profile does help

  firefox --ProfileManager

If you should use another browser, take a look at

  name_of_the_browser --hel

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Help: Map one key to another key in Lubuntu

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>I can bring an external keyboard if any typing on terminal is needed

As a temporary solution you don't need to connect an external keyboard.

Apart from the unicode method with the shift+ctrl+u shortcut I already
mentioned, you also could install an on-screen virtual keyboard.

https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/xvkbd
https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/florence
https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/onboard
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Help: Map one key to another key in Lubuntu

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As a temporary solution you could press   shift+ctrl+u   and after that
type   20   and then push   enter  .

 

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Re: [lubuntu-users] AMD-64 repository problems on 20171021 @ 12:10p MDT - getting 404's when trying to install gcc for amd-64

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 11:39:21 -0700, paul meeks wrote:
>Stop sending me this crap.

Are you nuts?

On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 18:14:41 +, Oingo Boingo wrote:
>http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-libc-dev_4.10.0-35.39_amd64.deb
>404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.23 80] E: Aborting install.  

Take a look at http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/ and
https://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty-updates/linux-libc-dev .

You tried to install an outdated package, because you didn't sync the
package index files.

You need to run

  sudo apt update

or

  sudo apt-get update

first.

Take a look at

http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man8/apt.8.html

and

http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man8/apt-get.8.html

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Re: [lubuntu-users] lubuntu

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 18:22:28 -0700, Mark F wrote:
>It seemed like my hard-drive became physically damaged due to the
>install.

If so, then the hard drive already was close to the end of life before
you installed Lubuntu. It would have failed without installing
Lubuntu, too.

Btw. a complete Windows XP backup could only be restored, if the same
hardware is used. If you need to replace a hard disk by another one
(usually you don't get the same hard disk you bought years ago), a
restored Windows XP won't run anymore.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Start menu

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Hi,

is a panel running?

  pgrep -a panel

I suspect Lubuntu does use the openbox window manager and perhaps (not
necessarily) the openbox autostart file. If so, take a look at the
autostart file.

  cat ~/.config/openbox/autostart

If a panel should run, but it doesn't run or it runs, but should be
invisible, are there any related messages in ~/.xsession-errors ?

  less ~/.xsession-errors

Assuming the panel should be lxpanel, take a look at the subdirectories
and files in the parent directory ~/.config/lxpanel/ , e.g.

  less ~/.config/lxpanel/default/panels/*
 ^^^
 or any other profile name

see

  ls -hAl ~/.config/lxpanel/

What happens if you launch the panel from command line?

  killall -9 lxpanel ; sleep 2 ; lxpanel

  killall -9 lxpanel ; sleep 2 ; lxpanel --profile name_of_a_profile

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Re: [lubuntu-users] @oldmarathonrunnet

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:56:35 -0400, twoc...@protonmail.com wrote:
>Honesty neither is here as its really a distribution development
>mailing list mostly.

Hi,

no, it's a user list, but actually Lubuntu is an Ubuntu flavour, so a
lot of questions might reach more people, when sending a request to
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users .

"What is this list for?

ubuntu-users is a mailing list staffed by volunteer community members
to provide technical support to Ubuntu Users.

Users of Ubuntu and officially supported derivatives (Kubuntu,
Edubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu) can get support here. Users of derivatives
(such as Backtrack and Linux Mint) are not officially supported." -
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuUsersListFAQ#FAQ1

Some domains have got individual mailing lists that don't belong to a
distro, if you e.g. need help with Linux audio, consider to join
https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user . If it's
related to another domain, you much likely would get a pointer on the
Ubuntu mailing list. 

Btw. a lot of us are editing Linux Wikis, including Ubuntu Wikis. It's
a little bit disrespectful to ignore this work and to whine on a
mailing list without an actual request.

"Before You Ask

Before asking a technical question by e-mail, or in a newsgroup, or on
a website chat board, do the following:

Try to find an answer by searching the archives of the forum or
mailing list you plan to post to.

Try to find an answer by searching the Web.

Try to find an answer by reading the manual.

Try to find an answer by reading a FAQ.

Try to find an answer by inspection or experimentation.

Try to find an answer by asking a skilled friend.

If you're a programmer, try to find an answer by reading the source
code.

When you ask your question, display the fact that you have done these
things first; this will help establish that you're not being a lazy
sponge and wasting people's time. Better yet, display what you have
learned from doing these things. We like answering questions for people
who have demonstrated they can learn from the answers." -
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before

This is not a paid support. It's possible to pay for a distro and to get
support. My first Linux was "Suse Linux professional 9.0" "student
version". I wasn't a "student", I was jobless, so they anyway sold me
the price reduced version. It costs 49,95 EUR and came with two books,
a user manual and an admin manual. The support did not include
everything! It's the same for Apple and Microsoft, they provide
support for their products and not for all the available software.

Nobody is forced to use Linux for free as in beer. If you expect the
help you are used to by paid support, then pay for support.

Btw. in my experiences mailing lists and Wikis and other gratis manuals
are much more important when using Linux, then paid support is.

Consider to learn how to understand the output of "apropos", "man",
"info", "--help" from command line. If this isn't what you want, then
why are you using an UNIX/POSIX alike operating system?

If I want to toast a bread I use a toaster and not a dish-washer. You
won't migrate from a toaster to a dish-washer and expect that the
dish-washer does the same as the toaster does. I'm sorry if you got the
wrong impression that Linux and it's communities are
replacements/competitors for/of Microsoft or Apple.

Linux isn't rocket science, most people should be able to become a
power user with less effort. However, it requires some interest and
the will to learn.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu-users Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2

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On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:49:56 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>I guess I could explain in a very simple way, where many newbies act
   ^ "in what way many
   newbies act...", since
   this issue isn't only
   related to the subject,
   but also affects the
   content of many requests.
>irrational.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu-users Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2

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>On 11 April 2017 at 13:30, oldmarathonrunner wrote:  
>> As ordinary people do not understand any of this I wonder if Lubuntu
>> and Linux have absolutely no interest in normal users.  

Hi,

please don't misunderstand this as a unfriendly rough reply, I only
try to explain something about a common misunderstanding.

Please read this reply:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2017-July/010225.html

Correction of a sentence in the above post:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2017-July/010226.html

Most, if not all of us power users, developer, geeks try to help people
as good as we can, for free as in beer, if we have got the time to do
so. We try to do this even if you are living on another continent and
even if you post nearly unusable information. You might not live next
door and actually at least I don't care if people want to use Linux or
not. It's freedom and freedom requires some effort.

You learned usage of a handkerchief or toilet paper, once you
parents and/or somebody else helped you and after a while you became a
super user in wiping the nose and cleaning your backside. They didn't
use a mailing list to teach you this. However, in the meantime you
learned to read and write, even while you might be a dyslexic (note, I
am a dyslexic myself) and perhaps you even learned how to do this in a
foreign language (I don't need to point out that English isn't my
native language ;).

Linux (in this context not just the kernel, but a distro with all the
user space software as e.g. provided by the Ubuntu flavour Lubuntu) is
not a competitor to proprietary operating systems attitudes. When I
started with using Linux, btw. I didn't migrate from MS or Apple, I
misunderstood the policies of different Linux distros, too. Nowadays
I'm using a Linux distro that distinctly mentions to be _not_ a user
friendly distro, see
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux#User_centrality .

Ubuntu and it's flavours are already user-friendly, but they still
follow a policy of "freedom". If you want something childproof, then do
_not_ use Linux. Children get more help than adults, but they are also
not free to do what adults are allowed to do. Freedom isn't for free,
you need to pay for it with attention.

I guess I could explain in a very simple way, where many newbies act
irrational. Do you think that "Lubuntu-users Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2"
is a good subject for your concerns? Would you use the subject
"Lubuntu-users Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2" for a letter of application,
too? With all due respect, the chosen subject is idiotic and you are
aware of this. You can not expect anybody to care for "Lubuntu-users
Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2". For sure, once upon a time you learned how to
write a subject and this was a long time ago before you subscribed to a
Linux distro's mailing list.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Bootable clone app for Lubuntu

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Hi,

I don't know how to backup the Apple OS, but you could backup a Linux
by simply coping all files, when the install isn't booted. IOW you
could use a live media to backup all files. This would copy all GRUB
related files as well, but to make an install that was restored from
the copy bootable, you anyway would need to run

sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sdX 

for GRUB 2 <= 1.98 or 

sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sdX

for GRUB 2 >= 1.99, since the partition's starting point of a restored
install much likely would differ from the original install on the old
HDD. It makes no sense to dd GRUB.

If you want to copy all files, simply use "cp -ai" or use tar and
compress the data, e.g. run "tar --xattrs -czf". When using the
*-wildecard keep in mind globbing is tricky. It copies hidden
files only from subdirectories. However, the root directory usually
doesn't contain hidden files.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Downloading Google Chrome

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 01:55:12 +0200, Rafael Laguna wrote:
>sudo dpkg -i google-chrome-stable.deb (use the proper name)
>
>Then use this command:
>
>sudo apt install -f

Assuming the package should require dependency packages, than the
above dpkg is missing a --force-depends switch.

However, see my previous reply, this workaround is as needed as gdebi on
modern Ubuntu releases.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Downloading Google Chrome

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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 19:04:46 -0600, Aere Greenway wrote:
>You may need to first install the gdebi package, since it appears not
>to be installed by default in recent levels of Lubuntu.  

Sure, gdebi is completely unneeded since several releases ago.

There's no need to install gdebi, assuming the OP does use the latest
LTS or latest release and even several older releases already don't
require gdebi or tricky workarounds. The OP could simply use "apt
install".

Back to the topic.

1. In general inform us what release you are using by posting the
output of

  lsb_release -rc

2. Regarding Google Chrome it's also important what architecture you
are using, so also post the output of

  uname -m

The result you should post, should look similar to:

[weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ lsb_release -rc
Release:16.04
Codename:   xenial
[weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ uname -m
x86_64

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Using Pentium 3 Machines on Lubuntu--posting from "the top"--ode to PPC

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 14 May 2017 11:03:23 -0600, Aere Greenway wrote:
>I do lament the coming demise of all 32-bit machines, but I will move 
>on, when it is necessary to do so.

A while ago I replaced my around ten years old 64 bit dual-core
mobo/CPU with a newer elCheapo 64 bit dual-core mobo/CPU. It doesn't
cost much, but it gained a lot. That 32 bit architecture is dropped by
all major distros makes sense. It's not comparable to "get a new iPad
each 5 years or you don't get an update anymore". My around 10 years
old 64 bit system was really outdated and a few things already would
have need a replacement, at least the fans and the power supply. IMO
ethically it is ok to replace a machine after around 10 years.
Supporting 32 bit architecture doesn't make much sense, even with
keeping the Third World in mind, since we've got 64 bit architecture
for longer than 10 years. If you need to repair, resp. replace something
of a 64 bit machine, getting a new 64 bit machine already is less
expensive, let alone a 32 bit machine, even if we are using as much as
possible from trash. Keep in mind that all major distros still compile
64 bit architecture for SSE2, while proprietary software for Linux a
long time ago required more than just SSE2. IOW distros still compile
for ancient 64 bit architecture. You should expect that soon or later
even support for some oldish 64 bit machines gets dropped.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Using Pentium 3 Machines on Lubuntu

[Ralf Mardorf]

PS:
>>On Mon, 8 May 2017 20:54:00 -0600 Aere Greenway wrote:  
>>> But on attempting to browse the web (using Firefox) to download my 
>>> latest music software, the browser crashes!  

Do they crash when browsing and/or downloading? If they crash during a
download, are you downloading to a tmpfs?

If so, run

  df | grep tmpfs

to see if tmpfs still provides free space. By default it's limited to
half of the available RAM. You could enlarge it by a fstab entry.
e.g.

tmpfs  /tmp  tmpfs nodev,nosuid,size=3G  0 0
    add the path ;). ^^
 ^^ replace this with a size
 smaller than the available
 memory ;).

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 64 Bit netbook - Acer Aspire One 722-C52rr

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 18:48:10 +0100, Ian Bruntlett wrote:
>Never installed an O.S. on a VM. Where should I look for initial
>information?  

Hi,

I recommend to install VirtualBox. On Linux hosts it's unlikely the
best, but definitively the easiest to use virtual machine. Maybe it's
the same for Windows hosts.

Free download:

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

Forum to get help:

https://forums.virtualbox.org/

Maybe Google helps as well:

https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#q=virtualbox+install+windows+10+host

Installing Lubuntu as guest in a VM, is the same as installing it on a
real machine. However, when it's installed be aware that the emulated
hardware is not the same, as that of your host computer and that access
to some hardware components could be tricky. Performance might be
relatively good, but you can't do real-time capable things.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Google NOT as default homepage

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 08:05:31 -0700, Mark F wrote:
>On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:05 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> In short, Jane Doe wants Google [...] *doesn't care* if some
>> software she installed phones home or not.  
>
>Does she even know?

She doesn't, or at best she heard about it on television and ignores
it, or follows idiotic hints given by "experts" on television.

>I think this is an education challenge.

Yes, we needed to learn how to use forks and knives, to drive a car and
things like this and much more important, we needed to learn not to
trust the stranger who gives away candies at the children's playground.
People don't understand how important it is to learn how to use a
multi-tool and that strangers who give away candies in the Internet
could be the same people who give away candies at the children's
playground. Thinking barriers! We are living in an age were people visit
a weekend healer class and after that they guess they know more about
"true" healing, than somebody who studied medicine at an university.

>I still wish there were post-install configurations to choose from.
>I've never understood the all-or-nothing approach to these matters.

I installed Ubuntu from the sever image and disabled all package
bundles, let alone that my Arch Linux by default is an install without
everything and that Arch's policy is the opposite of Ubuntu's policy in
regards to auto-starts. Ubuntu auto-starts everything that could be
auto-started by default, even when installing from the server image
without even installing X. However, there is already choice, more or
less all distros provide some kind of expert install. Either be an
expert/power user or an averaged user, everything in between is risky.

You can not simply chose to install the "more privacy" meta-package, you
need to maintain "more privacy" with knowledge. You need to become
self-responsible, learning and maintenance of the install never stops.

In regards to security it's the same. First of all, after downloading
the Ubuntu or Ubuntu flavour image, the user needs to check the ISO
against the PGP signed checksums. When Ubuntu is installed, it's not
only important to upgrade, a user also needs to audit
https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/ , resp.
http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/ at least once a day
and the user needs to have the skills to understand what to do or not
to do.

Regards,
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Google NOT as default homepage

[Ralf Mardorf]

That is your second off-list reply. Sorry, but I will take one point of
this second off-list mail back to the mailing list.

Off-list you pointed out that we have good alternatives like duckduckgo,
startpage and maybe others.

In the past, when ixquick (now startpage) wasn't available, some distros
replaced firefox's default by scroogle. However, while startpage and in
the past scroogle could replace google in regards to search results,
duckduckgo can't do this. 1. duckduckgo is a PITA for other languages,
but English. 2. If you want to fix an issue with Linux, using google or
something google based, IOW startpage, provides much, much, much better
hits. Regarding censorship there are other search engines available,
startpage and duckduckgo aren't what you want, if you care about
everything. Not only privacy and security are important, some people
care about e.g. censorship. However, assuming people just care about
privacy and want to get hits provided by google, then they could use
starpage, but need to accept a missing feature that is very important
when doing web research. While typing, google recommends search terms.
This is spying by typing, but OTOH also a very helpful feature. A Linux
novice often doesn't know what search term to use, Google does help to
fix issues, if a novice's Ubuntu install fails, by offering search
terms. It's not just an idiotic auto-completionfeature, it's really
helpful feature for the clueless.

In short, Jane Doe wants Google, she anyway does use facebook, twitter
and orders from amzon, she doesn't care what Richard Stallman thinks
about Ubuntu spyware and she doesn't care if some software she installed
phones home or not.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Google NOT as default homepage

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

several users of the Ubuntu flavour 'Ubuntu Studio' are activists who
care much about security. We had a lot of discussions on the users and
developers list. With one voice we brought down to the common
denominator, that security and privacy aren't a state a distro could
provide, it requires much knowledge of the user to actively maintain
security and privacy. Some distros could help to maintain security and
privacy with less effort, than other distros, but this is done at the
expense of e.g. limiting available software.

The best privacy and security is to be aware, that there is no security
and privacy anymore, as soon as you connect to the Internet. It's
beyond most users'skills to actively maintain privacy and security.

Distributing Firefox might or might not allow to change defaults without
forking it. You can't expect that Ubuntu provides Firefox with
defaults, that divert from upstream, at least not because many users
expect to get Firefox with defaults they are used to. There are already
several forks available. Pale Moon, IceCat, Iceweasel and TOR browser
come to mind. QupZilla provides at least the look and feel of Firefox
and there are tons of minimalist browsers available, too.

I guess for most user-friendly distros Firefox with it defaults will
remain the default browser and most expert orientated distros by
default don't come with a browser installed at all.

Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Google NOT as default homepage

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

Ubuntu is disputed for some software, that some people consider to be
"spyware". However, in regards to web browsers it's most likely
upstream who comes with a default start page, not Ubuntu. I suspect for
a default Ubuntu install, the default browser is Firefox. The average
Firefox user expects to get Firefox defaults. The default search engine
is the last thing you need to worry when using Firefox.

In the address bar type

  about:config

continue and in the search that appears after you accepted to be
careful type

  google

as you can see, Firefox's safe browsing actually is Google's safe
browsing. Firefox is based upon Google services. This is what Firefox
users seems to want.

You could disconnect the Internet connection before starting Firefox and
disable as much unwanted Firefox features as possible, before you
connect to the Internet.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Install Google Chrome on Lubuntu 16.04 ?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 04 Dec 2016 20:39:02 +, Rafael Laguna wrote:
>You'll have to go to http://chrome.google.com and download the package.
>Once accepting it, the installer will add the repository to your
>system so it can update itself. Only Chromium is in the Lubuntu repos.

The same question was already answered today. Detailed information, IOW
what commands to run, is available by the archive.

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2016-December/thread.html

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2016-December/011363.html

FWIW Google dropped support for 32 bit architecture, so the DEB package
is only available for 64 bit architecture.

First run

  uname -m

if the output shouldn't be 'x86_64', you can't use the provided package.
If it should be 'x86_64', then continue by changing to a download directory.

  cd /tmp/

Download the package

  wget https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb

Update the indexes, just in case the package should depend on other packages.

  sudo apt update

Then install the package

  sudo apt install ./google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb

That's it.

Regards,
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Re: [lubuntu-users] [lubuntu-devel] dropping i386/PPC (was: Re: State of PPC)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:44:42 -0700, Mark F wrote:
>Aren't there other distros like Puppy to fill that niche? Why does
>Lubuntu have to cover the increasingly rare population of machines. It
>doesn't seem like it would be a problem if "Lightweight" doesn't
>extend to the lightest, oldest hardware.

There are lots of distros. Arch Linux e.g. supports I guess i686 and
x86-64. I guess actually Ubuntu's i386 is also i686. There is Arch
arm available, too, but de facto the official architectures supported
are IA-32 (most likely i686) and x86-64. In short, Arch will not drop
32 bit. There's no need to trash hardware.

OTOH this month we noticed on the Linux audio user mailing list, that
long file support for libsndfile on 32-bit architecture is broken since
three years ago and nobody noticed it until a few days ago. It's an
upstream bug, so all distros suffer from the issue. Within three years
nobody tried to record an audio file > 2 GiB on a 32-bit machine.

Regarding Firefox, Icecat, Pale Moon and QupZill, the letter is webkit
based and has nothing to do with the firefoxish browsers, I wouldn't
fear that it might become impossible to compile for 32-bit
architecture. All the times we lose irreplaceable software for other
reasons. OTOH we also get new software.

Regarding software that gets lost, one of the most important examples
are all that software that suffers from GTK's evolution. For many users,
including myself, e.g. the loss of ROXTerm is very hard
https://sourceforge.net/p/roxterm/discussion/422638/thread/60da6975/
since no other terminal emu could replace it. Replacing Firefox isn't
that hard to do, since webkit based browser are anyway better.

Regards,
Ral

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Re: [lubuntu-users] dropping i386/PPC (was: Re: [lubuntu-devel] State of PPC)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:39:08 -0800, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>@Yao:
>
>Thanks for that link, it did go to the correct page, but, still the
>"time" is eluding me, is that "1500" UTC zone 1 . . .  ???  How to
>extrapolate that to Pacific Time zone???  

In the left upper corner, here's a clock. If you click this clock it
links to a world clock. Here it displays the time and then "UT" from
"UTC", the "C" isn't displayed.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

The clock displays e.g. 21:53, then I take a look at e.g. "Berlin" and
there the time is 22:53, IOW I need to subtract 1 hour, which is true,
since my timezone is +0100.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [lubuntu-users] dropping i386/PPC (was: Re: [lubuntu-devel] State of PPC)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:54:58 -0800, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>I tried the link and it said "page doesn't exist"

I posted the correct link here:

http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2016-November/106712.html

It was just a "space" between "16" and "11".

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Re: [lubuntu-users] using lubuntu

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 05:09:11 +, E James wrote:
>Step 1. Use the downloaded Lubuntu to create a bootable DVD or USB
>stick.  

Hi,

I stopped reading here, so I can't comment the rest of the mail.
However, I strongly recommend to verify the downloaded ISO by the
signed checksums, before burning it.

Assuming you want to download the ISO for 64bit architecture, from an
already existing linux install or live medis, you could use my attached
script.

chmod a+x luamd64_1610.sh   #to make the script executable
./luamd64_1610.sh lubuntu   #for lubuntu 16.10
./luamd64_1610.sh lubuntu 16.04 #for lubuntu 16.04 the latest LTS

More information about verifying, even when using Windows or MacOS:

https://www.ubuntu.com/download/how-to-verify

A common misconception, while "LTS" is an abbreviation for "Long Term
Support", it means that there will be security upgrades available for
a long time, but no upgrades to new releases of the software, at all.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [lubuntu-users] GUFW as default feature

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 07:41:32 -0700, Mark F wrote:
>I think a "Welcome" screen would be very helpful  

If you are serious about user-friendliness in regards to novices, then
don't add another layer of configuring tool, especially not for
applications that are unimportant for the novice, instead start with
providing a consistent GUI design. The starting point is by default to
just provide apps with a menu bar or without a menu bar, instead of
providing an inconsistent mix off default apps. If the beginner isn't
confused by an inconsistent GUI, he is open to learn how to e.g.
configure a firewall, assumed it should be useful at all regarding the
user's needs. Configuring software is easier to do, if you don't provide
layers of configuring tools.

Regards,
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Installing Lubuntu

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 14:55:13 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>aplay -l

My apologies, I don't care about text below top posting, so I missed
that the OP already run aplay.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] pcspkr bell issue

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 17:41:57 -0500, Israel wrote:
>maybe you need a bit of time after it loads...
>perhaps running
>
>modprobe pcspkr && sleep 10 # or whatever amount you want  

No, I tried 'echo -e \\a' a long time after the script finished.

>## the only real thing getting done would be sourcing your bashrc
>
>source ~/.bashrc  ## you might need /home/user instead of ~ if you run
>as root  

I didn't test this.

>the other thing ???might?? be an issue is that xset *might*
>need to be 'refreshed' with
>
>xset b on  

I didn't try this.

>Though you could add
>
>xset q |grep bell  

I checked this and it always was ok.

>Also... you might need to use setterm
>
>setterm --bleangth 1000
>
>maybe even the --bfreq option...  

The output of xset q always was ok.

For testing purpose I'll add those to the script, too, but I doubt that
it will solve the issue.

Thank you for the hints.

Regards,
Ralf

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[lubuntu-users] pcspkr bell issue

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

I'm using lubuntu-16.10-desktop-amd64.iso as live media. After the Lxde
session started I run a script [attached]. One thing done by the script
is enabling the PC speaker beep.

If the script run for one time launched in lxterminal, the bell doesn't
work. Nothing pulseaudio related is shown by ps aux and lsmod shows that
pcspkr is loaded after the script run. All changes applied to lxterminal
and xfce4-terminal are applied, I just need to close and open
lxterminal, resp. just open xfce4-terminal for the first time. However,
the bell doesn't work. If I run the script for the second time, the bell
works, even without closing and opening a terminal again, but not
before I closed and opened lxterminal one time.

If a mechanism would lock something as long as lxterminal is opened,
just closing and reopening the terminal should do the trick. I don't
understand why it works, if I close and reopen the terminal + run the
script a second time. As far as I can see nothing in this script and
the 126428 similar scripts I tested before, does something related to
the issue. Nothing that already is killed, purged and loaded gets
killed, purged or loaded a second time.

Any idea how I could enable the bell by running a script just one time?

Regards,
Ralf

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